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Is the Olin gun/case/flares kit adequate ?
Thank you. -- Courtney Thomas s/v Mutiny lying Oriental, NC |
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I have found that flare gun kits are not adequate for distress. I went with
the MSD-1. I like hand held parachute flares over the gun style. Perfect for when you are offshore 50 miles from coastline, this flare kit also includes Polybottle so that you can store the contents of the kit, with room for other items such as cell phone, camera, or wallet. Kit Includes: 6 USCG Approved Red Hand Distress Flares,3 USCG Approved Red Hand Held Parachute Flares,3 USCG Approved 3 Minute Floating Orange Smoke Signals, 1 Yellow Wide Mouth Polybottle Please Note: Freight Charge $50.00 Hazmat Plus Federal Express Overnight Rates apply. Price: $ 329.95 ORC also makes a great kit. Kit Includes:4 USCG Approved Red Hand Distress Flares,4 USCG Approved Red Hand Held Parachute Flares,4 Collision Warning White Hand Flares,2 USCG Approved 3 Minute Floating Orange Smoke Signals 1 Yellow Wide Mouth Polybottle Please Note: Freight Charge $50.00 Hazmat Plus Federal Express Overnight Rates apply. Price: $ 289.95 Federal Regulations Area Devices Required Ocean, greater than 50 miles from coastline 3 Parachute flares, approval service 46 CFR 160.136; plus 6 hand flares, approval series 46 CFR 160.121; plus 3 smoke signals, approval series 46 CFR 160.122. Ocean, 3-50 miles from the coastline; or more than 3 miles from the coastline on the Great Lakes 3 Parachute flares approval series 46 CFR 160.136, or 160.036; plus 6 hand flares, approval series 46 CFR 160.121 or 160.021; plus 3 smoke signals, approval series 46 CFR 160.122, 160.022, or 160.037. Coastal waters, excluding the Great Lakes; or within 3 miles of the coastline on the Great Lakes 3 Approved flares, and 3 approved smoke signals. If flares are carried, the same 3 flares may be counted toward both the day and night requirement. Jack "Courtney Thomas" wrote in message ... Is the Olin gun/case/flares kit adequate ? Thank you. -- Courtney Thomas s/v Mutiny lying Oriental, NC |
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I carry the Olin 25mm kit. Seems to be adequate, but I also carry \handheld
parachute flare, smoke canisters, as well. The 25mm gun will also accept the 16ga shotgun shell adapter.. Doug s/v Callista "Courtney Thomas" wrote in message ... Is the Olin gun/case/flares kit adequate ? Thank you. -- Courtney Thomas s/v Mutiny lying Oriental, NC |
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I have just never like the plastic guns for shooting off flares. I have had
a few miss fires and they don't go up as high as hand held ones. I have also found that the gun cases are not water proof. When it comes to my safety I rely on hand held flares. I have never had problem with them. Yes they are more expensive then a flare gun kit. But when it comes to survival I prefer to have the best. Jack Oyster 56 still in the pacific. "Courtney Thomas" wrote in message ... Jack, Having no experience with either, why do you prefer the handheld ? Also, what is a source(s) for flare guns that are adequate, please ? I have some interest in the flare guns as well for possible personal protection since firearms are prohibited, basically. Appreciatively, Courtney Jack Rye wrote: I have found that flare gun kits are not adequate for distress. I went with the MSD-1. I like hand held parachute flares over the gun style. Perfect for when you are offshore 50 miles from coastline, this flare kit also includes Polybottle so that you can store the contents of the kit, with room for other items such as cell phone, camera, or wallet. Kit Includes: 6 USCG Approved Red Hand Distress Flares,3 USCG Approved Red Hand Held Parachute Flares,3 USCG Approved 3 Minute Floating Orange Smoke Signals, 1 Yellow Wide Mouth Polybottle Please Note: Freight Charge $50.00 Hazmat Plus Federal Express Overnight Rates apply. Price: $ 329.95 ORC also makes a great kit. Kit Includes:4 USCG Approved Red Hand Distress Flares,4 USCG Approved Red Hand Held Parachute Flares,4 Collision Warning White Hand Flares,2 USCG Approved 3 Minute Floating Orange Smoke Signals 1 Yellow Wide Mouth Polybottle Please Note: Freight Charge $50.00 Hazmat Plus Federal Express Overnight Rates apply. Price: $ 289.95 Federal Regulations Area Devices Required Ocean, greater than 50 miles from coastline 3 Parachute flares, approval service 46 CFR 160.136; plus 6 hand flares, approval series 46 CFR 160.121; plus 3 smoke signals, approval series 46 CFR 160.122. Ocean, 3-50 miles from the coastline; or more than 3 miles from the coastline on the Great Lakes 3 Parachute flares approval series 46 CFR 160.136, or 160.036; plus 6 hand flares, approval series 46 CFR 160.121 or 160.021; plus 3 smoke signals, approval series 46 CFR 160.122, 160.022, or 160.037. Coastal waters, excluding the Great Lakes; or within 3 miles of the coastline on the Great Lakes 3 Approved flares, and 3 approved smoke signals. If flares are carried, the same 3 flares may be counted toward both the day and night requirement. Jack "Courtney Thomas" wrote in message ... Is the Olin gun/case/flares kit adequate ? Thank you. -- Courtney Thomas s/v Mutiny lying Oriental, NC -- Courtney Thomas s/v Mutiny lying Oriental, NC |
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It's been over a year since I looked at them, I don't remember
the website that was carrying them. Just do a few searches. You might try lookiing through the old messages from this newsgroup. There has been quite a bit of discussion about them in the past. I'll poke around a bit asnd see if I can rediscover them. Doug ps. I have been told that flareguns are poor for self defense. Just bounce off of people. "Courtney Thomas" wrote in message ... Where'd you buy said items ? Thank you. Doug Dotson wrote: I carry the Olin 25mm kit. Seems to be adequate, but I also carry \handheld parachute flare, smoke canisters, as well. The 25mm gun will also accept the 16ga shotgun shell adapter.. Doug s/v Callista "Courtney Thomas" wrote in message ... Is the Olin gun/case/flares kit adequate ? Thank you. -- Courtney Thomas s/v Mutiny lying Oriental, NC -- Courtney Thomas s/v Mutiny lying Oriental, NC |
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Jack,
Having no experience with either, why do you prefer the handheld ? Also, what is a source(s) for flare guns that are adequate, please ? I have some interest in the flare guns as well for possible personal protection since firearms are prohibited, basically. Appreciatively, Courtney Jack Rye wrote: I have found that flare gun kits are not adequate for distress. I went with the MSD-1. I like hand held parachute flares over the gun style. Perfect for when you are offshore 50 miles from coastline, this flare kit also includes Polybottle so that you can store the contents of the kit, with room for other items such as cell phone, camera, or wallet. Kit Includes: 6 USCG Approved Red Hand Distress Flares,3 USCG Approved Red Hand Held Parachute Flares,3 USCG Approved 3 Minute Floating Orange Smoke Signals, 1 Yellow Wide Mouth Polybottle Please Note: Freight Charge $50.00 Hazmat Plus Federal Express Overnight Rates apply. Price: $ 329.95 ORC also makes a great kit. Kit Includes:4 USCG Approved Red Hand Distress Flares,4 USCG Approved Red Hand Held Parachute Flares,4 Collision Warning White Hand Flares,2 USCG Approved 3 Minute Floating Orange Smoke Signals 1 Yellow Wide Mouth Polybottle Please Note: Freight Charge $50.00 Hazmat Plus Federal Express Overnight Rates apply. Price: $ 289.95 Federal Regulations Area Devices Required Ocean, greater than 50 miles from coastline 3 Parachute flares, approval service 46 CFR 160.136; plus 6 hand flares, approval series 46 CFR 160.121; plus 3 smoke signals, approval series 46 CFR 160.122. Ocean, 3-50 miles from the coastline; or more than 3 miles from the coastline on the Great Lakes 3 Parachute flares approval series 46 CFR 160.136, or 160.036; plus 6 hand flares, approval series 46 CFR 160.121 or 160.021; plus 3 smoke signals, approval series 46 CFR 160.122, 160.022, or 160.037. Coastal waters, excluding the Great Lakes; or within 3 miles of the coastline on the Great Lakes 3 Approved flares, and 3 approved smoke signals. If flares are carried, the same 3 flares may be counted toward both the day and night requirement. Jack "Courtney Thomas" wrote in message ... Is the Olin gun/case/flares kit adequate ? Thank you. -- Courtney Thomas s/v Mutiny lying Oriental, NC -- Courtney Thomas s/v Mutiny lying Oriental, NC |
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Where'd you buy said items ?
Thank you. Doug Dotson wrote: I carry the Olin 25mm kit. Seems to be adequate, but I also carry \handheld parachute flare, smoke canisters, as well. The 25mm gun will also accept the 16ga shotgun shell adapter.. Doug s/v Callista "Courtney Thomas" wrote in message ... Is the Olin gun/case/flares kit adequate ? Thank you. -- Courtney Thomas s/v Mutiny lying Oriental, NC -- Courtney Thomas s/v Mutiny lying Oriental, NC |
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Why don't you call up the federal regulators. Where I got the info from
Federal Regulations Jack btw did you ever figure it out Roger Clinton "WaIIy" wrote in message ... On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:24:04 -0700, "Jack Rye" .# wrote: Ocean, 3-50 miles from the coastline; or more than 3 miles from the coastline on the Great Lakes 3 Parachute flares approval series 46 CFR 160.136, or 160.036; plus 6 hand flares, approval series 46 CFR 160.121 or 160.021; plus 3 smoke signals, approval series 46 CFR 160.122, 160.022, or 160.037. Are you saying for the Great Lakes a vessel of , say, 30ft must carry 3 Parachute flares 6 hand flares 6 smoke signals Maybe I'm reading this wrong. |
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"Doug Dotson" wrote in message ...
I carry the Olin 25mm kit. Seems to be adequate, but I also carry \handheld parachute flare, smoke canisters, as well. The 25mm gun will also accept the 16ga shotgun shell adapter.. Doug s/v Callista "Courtney Thomas" wrote in message ... Is the Olin gun/case/flares kit adequate ? Thank you. -- Courtney Thomas s/v Mutiny lying Oriental, NC Last new years, I decided to fire off many of my old flares miles from the water. It was a rainy night so it was a reasonable test. ALL of the Olin 12 guage flares worked, even those 10 years out of date. ALL OF THE OLIN HAND HELD FLARES FAILED TO LIGHT, even those that were current All of the pen type skyblazer flares worked (2 yrs out of date) All of the Pains-Wessex hand helds worked and were WAAAAAAAAAAY brighter than the Olins when I finally ignited the Olins with a torch. My only Pains Wessex parachute flare fired but it was difficult to figger out with rain in my eyes (5 years out of date). Maybe buy 3 pen type Skyblazers and put em in your abandon ship stuff. SO: I would go with maybe 6 25 mm flares, and a bunch of cheaper 12 guage flares. DONT BUY THE OLIN HAND HELDS, get the Pains Wessex ones. |
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I carry the Olin 25mm kit. Seems to be adequate, but I also carry \handheld parachute flare, smoke canisters, as well. The 25mm gun will also accept the 16ga shotgun shell adapter.. Where do I find a 16 gauge adapter? Who makes it? Thanks. ALL OF THE OLIN HAND HELD FLARES FAILED TO LIGHT, even those that were current All of the pen type skyblazer flares worked (2 yrs out of date) All of the Pains-Wessex hand helds worked and were WAAAAAAAAAAY brighter than the Olins when I finally ignited the Olins with a torch. My only Pains Wessex parachute flare fired but it was difficult to figger out with rain in my eyes (5 years out of date). Maybe buy 3 pen type Skyblazers and put em in your abandon ship stuff. SO: I would go with maybe 6 25 mm flares, and a bunch of cheaper 12 guage flares. DONT BUY THE OLIN HAND HELDS, get the Pains Wessex ones. Thanks for the report. I appreciate the info. I carry a 25mm gun and have PinPoint handheld flares. I also have a 12 gauge flare gun with lots of out dated flares. Before going offshore, I will have plenty of parachute flares and some smoke signals. |
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Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:46:18 -0700, Jack Rye .# wrote: I have just never like the plastic guns for shooting off flares. I have had a few miss fires and they don't go up as high as hand held ones. I have also found that the gun cases are not water proof. When it comes to my safety I rely on hand held flares. I have never had problem with them. Yes they are more expensive then a flare gun kit. But when it comes to survival I prefer to have the best. snip Might want to see if you can find one of the old USN metal 12ga ones. Look like a single barreled shotgun pistol. We have one, works like a champ. Haven't had the gumption to tie it to a plank with a string on the trigger, and fire off a low base 12ga birdshot round yet, but I am thinking about it :) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/jOo6d90bcYOAWPYRAsjbAKDDuA4wPdXY91OphHB5GEVAlu78tQ Cgv8IY EEF4Z5YJs8z3vJR1ZzYMyKg= =/Hgf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Jim Richardson http://www.eskimo.com/~warlock If something is so complicated that you can't explain it in 10 seconds, then it's probably not worth knowing anyway. -- Calvin |
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We did the Cruising World Safety at Sea Seminar at the Naval Academy
in 1995 before leaving on our circumnav. They fired off a whole bunch of different flares to show us how well you could see them. The Pains Wessex SOLAS parachutes were night and day the winners. Far higher and brighter than anything else. Easily more visible in daylight than a smoke signal. So, if you're buying flares just to satisfy the USCG, buy the cheapest you can find. But, if you're buying flares because you're going out there where you might actually need them, buy SOLAS flares -- either Pains Wessex or one of the others. And, BTW, the three required aren't enough. So save your old ones. Jim Woodward www.mvFintry.com Courtney Thomas wrote in message ... Is the Olin gun/case/flares kit adequate ? Thank you. |
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Courtney Thomas wrote in message news:
Is the Olin gun/case/flares kit adequate ? I would highly recommend Olin/Orions 25mm flare pistol. Early this summer our local CG Aux offered a flare demonstartion and those willing could bring their flares and fire them under supervision/permission of the USCG Aux. At that time my plastic gun failed to open. since then this press release has been issued at the 7th CG Aux website: --------------------------------------------- WARNING: Some Flare Guns Can't Be Opened! Orion states that Olin flare guns (now Orion) can't be opened wide enough to accept a flare cartridge and would be useless in an emergency. A marine surveyor who regularly checks flare guns while doing surveys found that 13% of the Olin guns (9 out of 69) he has inspected can't be fully opened. A spokesman at Orion Safety Products confirmed the problem; nylon material used to keep the breech closed can deform and jam the opening mechanism. Any Olin plastic flare gun is suspect, as are Orion guns made before 2000, the year the mechanism was reengineered (guns with the modification have the USCG approval code 160 028/12/1 stamped on the body). A recall has not been issued, although Orion has agreed to replace any of the defective guns, regardless of age. Orion recommends checking the operation of the guns now and at the beginning of every season; if the breech won't open, the gun should be sent back for replacement. Send defective guns to: Orion Safety Products, Marine Division, 3157 N. 500 West, Peru, IN 46970. George J Kacmarik, DSO-VE Date posted: 7/5/03 ------------------------------------- source: (scroll down a bit) http://cgaux7.org/articles_dso-ve.asp ------------------------------------- During the flare test/demonstration I shot off many different types of flares including solas aerial/parachute. I decidedly did NOT like the SOLAS aerial flares TRIGGERING mechanism. The mechanism in question is the firing mechanism best described where if the flare is held in the left hand the right hand triggers the mechanism by the righthand upward motion bumping the trigger. I much prefer holding the flare tube in my left hand an pulling a trigger ring with a downward motion. I disliked the upward bump trigger so much I declined in letting my wife shoot one of them.... Now the solas aerials/parachute are nice but carry a hefty price tag, the flare demonstration SOLD m3e on onlins 25mm flare gun, the 25mm flare gun will fire paracvhute flares and in the demonstration they were quite impressive. example (note this is NOT a plastic gun): http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs...=50&storeNum=8 |
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No. Get some parachute flares, SOLAS type. Expensive, but hey... when you
want to be seen... they're the best! "Courtney Thomas" wrote in message ... Is the Olin gun/case/flares kit adequate ? Thank you. -- Courtney Thomas s/v Mutiny lying Oriental, NC |
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I poked around on the web last night and I can't find them anymore.
The place that I found them last year was getting rid of their stock so perhaps they are now gone. I saw alot of ads for a .410ga adapter. Doug "John Hancock" wrote in message ... I carry the Olin 25mm kit. Seems to be adequate, but I also carry \handheld parachute flare, smoke canisters, as well. The 25mm gun will also accept the 16ga shotgun shell adapter.. Where do I find a 16 gauge adapter? Who makes it? Thanks. ALL OF THE OLIN HAND HELD FLARES FAILED TO LIGHT, even those that were current All of the pen type skyblazer flares worked (2 yrs out of date) All of the Pains-Wessex hand helds worked and were WAAAAAAAAAAY brighter than the Olins when I finally ignited the Olins with a torch. My only Pains Wessex parachute flare fired but it was difficult to figger out with rain in my eyes (5 years out of date). Maybe buy 3 pen type Skyblazers and put em in your abandon ship stuff. SO: I would go with maybe 6 25 mm flares, and a bunch of cheaper 12 guage flares. DONT BUY THE OLIN HAND HELDS, get the Pains Wessex ones. Thanks for the report. I appreciate the info. I carry a 25mm gun and have PinPoint handheld flares. I also have a 12 gauge flare gun with lots of out dated flares. Before going offshore, I will have plenty of parachute flares and some smoke signals. |
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I think West Marine carries them.
-- Larry Email to rapp at lmr dot com On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:47:43 -0500, Courtney Thomas wrote (with possible editing): Where'd you buy said items ? Thank you. Doug Dotson wrote: I carry the Olin 25mm kit. Seems to be adequate, but I also carry \handheld parachute flare, smoke canisters, as well. The 25mm gun will also accept the 16ga shotgun shell adapter.. Doug s/v Callista "Courtney Thomas" wrote in message ... Is the Olin gun/case/flares kit adequate ? Thank you. -- Courtney Thomas s/v Mutiny lying Oriental, NC |
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GOTO WWW.FIREQUEST.COM AND goto their catalog and flair gun....you can
buy pepper spray shells that fit the flair guns and they say it will knock down a bear......I have specialty made shells to fit my heavy duty flair guns that will do the job but, pray I will never need them... "Keith" wrote in message ... No. Get some parachute flares, SOLAS type. Expensive, but hey... when you want to be seen... they're the best! "Courtney Thomas" wrote in message ... Is the Olin gun/case/flares kit adequate ? Thank you. -- Courtney Thomas s/v Mutiny lying Oriental, NC |
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Doug Dotson wrote:
I carry the Olin 25mm kit. .. The 25mm gun will also accept the 16ga shotgun shell adapter.. OUCH! Back when American peasants were allowed weapons a friend had a single shot 12 Ga sawed-off at the pistol grip and fore end. Despite retaining about half its original weight it was quite punishing to shoot. I'm not sure which end of a light plastic Olin I'd rather be on when firing a 16Ga, and this from a nut who's carry gun is a LW 44 Magnum. Anybody know offhand what "gauge" 25mm equates to? |
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On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:58:47 -0400, Vito wrote
(with possible editing): Doug Dotson wrote: I carry the Olin 25mm kit. .. The 25mm gun will also accept the 16ga shotgun shell adapter.. OUCH! Back when American peasants were allowed weapons a friend had a single shot 12 Ga sawed-off at the pistol grip and fore end. Despite retaining about half its original weight it was quite punishing to shoot. I'm not sure which end of a light plastic Olin I'd rather be on when firing a 16Ga, and this from a nut who's carry gun is a LW 44 Magnum. Anybody know offhand what "gauge" 25mm equates to? No, but 25mm is about an inch. 12 gauge is about 3/4". Of course, the kick will be largely dependant upon the powder charge. I have 25mm flares, but I've yet to fire one, so I don't know how bad they are. The small(ish) gun fires both regular and parachute flares, the latter having what amounts to its own barrel. I can't imagine they would be wicked bad - they are supposed to be a safety device! -- Larry Email to rapp at lmr dot com |
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Doug Dotson wrote:
I carry the Olin 25mm kit. .. The 25mm gun will also accept the 16ga shotgun shell adapter.. OUCH! Back when American peasants were allowed weapons a friend had a single shot 12 Ga sawed-off at the pistol grip and fore end. Despite retaining about half its original weight it was quite punishing to shoot. I'm not sure which end of a light plastic Olin I'd rather be on when firing a 16Ga, and this from a nut who's carry gun is a LW 44 Magnum. Anybody know offhand what "gauge" 25mm equates to? No, but 25mm is about an inch. 12 gauge is about 3/4". Of course, the kick will be largely dependant upon the powder charge. I have 25mm flares, but I've yet to fire one, so I don't know how bad they are. The small(ish) gun fires both regular and parachute flares, the latter having what amounts to its own barrel. I can't imagine they would be wicked bad - they are supposed to be a safety device! -- I carry on board a metal 25mm flair gun. The kick from these is not very bad. I would be interested in hearing from anyone who has actually used one of the inserts that were advertised to shoot shotgun shells from flair guns. The ad's I remember seeing, didn't say anything about not using them in a plastic gun. K |
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I've never seen a plastic 25mm flare pistol. A 16ga shotgun shell doesn't
have that much of a kick anyway. Also, the adapter was machined out of solid stainless and had some heft, about 1/4" wall thickness. I doubt that it would kick that much. I'm kicking myself for not buying one of the adapters while I had the chance. These .410 adapters are probably the next best thing. I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of a .410 blast at pistol range. Doug "Over40pirate" wrote in message ... Doug Dotson wrote: I carry the Olin 25mm kit. .. The 25mm gun will also accept the 16ga shotgun shell adapter.. OUCH! Back when American peasants were allowed weapons a friend had a single shot 12 Ga sawed-off at the pistol grip and fore end. Despite retaining about half its original weight it was quite punishing to shoot. I'm not sure which end of a light plastic Olin I'd rather be on when firing a 16Ga, and this from a nut who's carry gun is a LW 44 Magnum. Anybody know offhand what "gauge" 25mm equates to? No, but 25mm is about an inch. 12 gauge is about 3/4". Of course, the kick will be largely dependant upon the powder charge. I have 25mm flares, but I've yet to fire one, so I don't know how bad they are. The small(ish) gun fires both regular and parachute flares, the latter having what amounts to its own barrel. I can't imagine they would be wicked bad - they are supposed to be a safety device! -- I carry on board a metal 25mm flair gun. The kick from these is not very bad. I would be interested in hearing from anyone who has actually used one of the inserts that were advertised to shoot shotgun shells from flair guns. The ad's I remember seeing, didn't say anything about not using them in a plastic gun. K |
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The only 16ga adaptors I know about are lightweight and meant only for
firing flares ( flares are fairly harmless but don't tell Hollywood ) , shotgun shells would blow-up, immediately . The 410 Adaptors are fine for a oneshot bird gun. To go hunting for AK47's think again... LS "Doug Dotson" wrote in message ... I've never seen a plastic 25mm flare pistol. A 16ga shotgun shell doesn't have that much of a kick anyway. Also, the adapter was machined out of solid stainless and had some heft, about 1/4" wall thickness. I doubt that it would kick that much. I'm kicking myself for not buying one of the adapters while I had the chance. These .410 adapters are probably the next best thing. I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of a .410 blast at pistol range. Doug "Over40pirate" wrote in message ... Doug Dotson wrote: I carry the Olin 25mm kit. .. The 25mm gun will also accept the 16ga shotgun shell adapter.. OUCH! Back when American peasants were allowed weapons a friend had a single shot 12 Ga sawed-off at the pistol grip and fore end. Despite retaining about half its original weight it was quite punishing to shoot. I'm not sure which end of a light plastic Olin I'd rather be on when firing a 16Ga, and this from a nut who's carry gun is a LW 44 Magnum. |
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The only 16ga adaptors I know about are lightweight and meant only for
firing flares ( flares are fairly harmless but don't tell Hollywood ) , shotgun shells would blow-up, immediately . The 410 Adaptors are fine for a oneshot bird gun. To go hunting for AK47's think again... LS "Doug Dotson" wrote in message ... I've never seen a plastic 25mm flare pistol. A 16ga shotgun shell doesn't have that much of a kick anyway. Also, the adapter was machined out of solid stainless and had some heft, about 1/4" wall thickness. I doubt that it would kick that much. I'm kicking myself for not buying one of the adapters while I had the chance. These .410 adapters are probably the next best thing. I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of a .410 blast at pistol range. Doug "Over40pirate" wrote in message ... Doug Dotson wrote: I carry the Olin 25mm kit. .. The 25mm gun will also accept the 16ga shotgun shell adapter.. OUCH! Back when American peasants were allowed weapons a friend had a single shot 12 Ga sawed-off at the pistol grip and fore end. Despite retaining about half its original weight it was quite punishing to shoot. I'm not sure which end of a light plastic Olin I'd rather be on when firing a 16Ga, and this from a nut who's carry gun is a LW 44 Magnum. |
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It seems that the height of the shoot and the brightness are limited
somewhat by the flare being handheld. Does anyone make a larger flare that you strap to the deck and fire? We have all seen (I presume) large fireworks that shoot very high and have a very bright explosion. Why couldn't we have an emergency flare like that? Probably prohibitively expensive. If you will pardon the joke, fireworks aren't rocket science. G Actually they are very simple. Wonder if a person could build some for him/herself. Of course they would not be counted by the USCG or your local equivalent, but the point would be to safe your life. Just wondering and interested in the thoughts of the other posters. Lee Huddleston s/v Truelove lying Sea Gate Marina Beaufort, NC |
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This one was specifically designed for use with 16ga shotgun
shells for use in a 25mm flaregun. Specific purpose was for defense aboard ship. If you consider the diameter of the 25mm gun and the 16ga shell you can get an idea of the wall thickness. It was machined out of solid 316 SS. Very robust device. All water under the bridge now since it seems to have dissappeared off the market. The site I found was selling off their stock at $125 per unit. Should have bought one when I had the chance. Doug "Larry Starr" wrote in message ... The only 16ga adaptors I know about are lightweight and meant only for firing flares ( flares are fairly harmless but don't tell Hollywood ) , shotgun shells would blow-up, immediately . The 410 Adaptors are fine for a oneshot bird gun. To go hunting for AK47's think again... LS "Doug Dotson" wrote in message ... I've never seen a plastic 25mm flare pistol. A 16ga shotgun shell doesn't have that much of a kick anyway. Also, the adapter was machined out of solid stainless and had some heft, about 1/4" wall thickness. I doubt that it would kick that much. I'm kicking myself for not buying one of the adapters while I had the chance. These .410 adapters are probably the next best thing. I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of a .410 blast at pistol range. Doug "Over40pirate" wrote in message ... Doug Dotson wrote: I carry the Olin 25mm kit. .. The 25mm gun will also accept the 16ga shotgun shell adapter.. OUCH! Back when American peasants were allowed weapons a friend had a single shot 12 Ga sawed-off at the pistol grip and fore end. Despite retaining about half its original weight it was quite punishing to shoot. I'm not sure which end of a light plastic Olin I'd rather be on when firing a 16Ga, and this from a nut who's carry gun is a LW 44 Magnum. |
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OOPS! I did some searching back through my posts when this
subject came up last year. It was a .410 shell that it fires. Apparently I did find some reference to a 16ga adapter, but never was able to track down a source. That will teach me to go cruising for a year. Just seach for "Flare Gun Adapter" and you will find all kinds of interesting adapters for both 25mm and 12ga flareguns. DOug "Larry Starr" wrote in message ... The only 16ga adaptors I know about are lightweight and meant only for firing flares ( flares are fairly harmless but don't tell Hollywood ) , shotgun shells would blow-up, immediately . The 410 Adaptors are fine for a oneshot bird gun. To go hunting for AK47's think again... LS "Doug Dotson" wrote in message ... I've never seen a plastic 25mm flare pistol. A 16ga shotgun shell doesn't have that much of a kick anyway. Also, the adapter was machined out of solid stainless and had some heft, about 1/4" wall thickness. I doubt that it would kick that much. I'm kicking myself for not buying one of the adapters while I had the chance. These .410 adapters are probably the next best thing. I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of a .410 blast at pistol range. Doug "Over40pirate" wrote in message ... Doug Dotson wrote: I carry the Olin 25mm kit. .. The 25mm gun will also accept the 16ga shotgun shell adapter.. OUCH! Back when American peasants were allowed weapons a friend had a single shot 12 Ga sawed-off at the pistol grip and fore end. Despite retaining about half its original weight it was quite punishing to shoot. I'm not sure which end of a light plastic Olin I'd rather be on when firing a 16Ga, and this from a nut who's carry gun is a LW 44 Magnum. |
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Not really a bad idea, if you can keep them dry. Fireworks at sea are an
internationally recognized distress signal. That's why you never see the cruise ships firing them on July 4! Of course, until you've fired or seen a parachute flare, you really don't appreciate them. The cylinder houses a rocket. "Lee Huddleston" wrote in message ... It seems that the height of the shoot and the brightness are limited somewhat by the flare being handheld. Does anyone make a larger flare that you strap to the deck and fire? We have all seen (I presume) large fireworks that shoot very high and have a very bright explosion. Why couldn't we have an emergency flare like that? Probably prohibitively expensive. If you will pardon the joke, fireworks aren't rocket science. G Actually they are very simple. Wonder if a person could build some for him/herself. Of course they would not be counted by the USCG or your local equivalent, but the point would be to safe your life. Just wondering and interested in the thoughts of the other posters. Lee Huddleston s/v Truelove lying Sea Gate Marina Beaufort, NC |
recommended flare gun ?
"L. M. Rappaport" wrote:
... The small(ish) gun fires both regular and parachute flares, the latter having what amounts to its own barrel. I can't imagine they would be wicked bad - they are supposed to be a safety device! Agreed. But if you install an adapter and fire a 16 Ga shotgun shell as some suggest I suspect your hand might smart for a while. |
recommended flare gun ?
Apparently not as bad as one might think. But then again if I am trying to
defend myself against a threat that would warrant the use of said device, I don't think it would bother me. I suspect that the kick wouldn't be any worse than a large handgun like a .45 or .50. Doug "Vito" wrote in message ... "L. M. Rappaport" wrote: ... The small(ish) gun fires both regular and parachute flares, the latter having what amounts to its own barrel. I can't imagine they would be wicked bad - they are supposed to be a safety device! Agreed. But if you install an adapter and fire a 16 Ga shotgun shell as some suggest I suspect your hand might smart for a while. |
recommended flare gun ?
Doug Dotson wrote:
Apparently not as bad as one might think. But then again if I am trying to defend myself against a threat that would warrant the use of said device, I don't think it would bother me. I suspect that the kick wouldn't be any worse than a large handgun like a .45 or .50. I dunno Doug. I've fired literally 1000s of rounds of 45ACP and 100s of 44 MAGs without incident. In fact my "carry" gun is a Smith "Mountain Gun". The only thing I didn't like to shoot in a handgun was a max load of smokeless in a 45 Long Colt. I've also shot many rounds of 3" Mag's thru a pistol-stocked Mossburg without discomfort. But firing a std 12 Ga hi-brass in a single shot that'd had its stock cut off to form a duelling pistol-like grip and bbl cut off at the fore end felt about like catching a fast pitched hardball without a mitt - stung like hell and left my hand sore all day. One dude tried to brace his wrist against his hip and straight-arm the bbl to hold it down. It split his palm! But, as you say, if trying to defend oneself ya do what ya gotta do. I still have that box of gawd-awful 45 Colt hand loads, but I haven't shot many of them nor ordered any more (c: Come to think of it, the relative weight of the projectile vs that of the gun determines recoil rate so a lighter bullet wouldn't be near as punishing as an ounce and a half of birdshot so a .22 or .38 would even be fun. And, since the insert isn't a "gun" BATF should have no objections, right? Sounds like a business opportunity for somebody. |
recommended flare gun ?
I don't think anyone was suggesting using 12ga :) That would be
pretty rough. As far as the business opportunity, the boat has already sailed. Many of them on the market. I just came across adapters that use .32 and .38 in addition to those that use .410 shot. Several others as well. Doug "Vito" wrote in message ... Doug Dotson wrote: Apparently not as bad as one might think. But then again if I am trying to defend myself against a threat that would warrant the use of said device, I don't think it would bother me. I suspect that the kick wouldn't be any worse than a large handgun like a .45 or .50. I dunno Doug. I've fired literally 1000s of rounds of 45ACP and 100s of 44 MAGs without incident. In fact my "carry" gun is a Smith "Mountain Gun". The only thing I didn't like to shoot in a handgun was a max load of smokeless in a 45 Long Colt. I've also shot many rounds of 3" Mag's thru a pistol-stocked Mossburg without discomfort. But firing a std 12 Ga hi-brass in a single shot that'd had its stock cut off to form a duelling pistol-like grip and bbl cut off at the fore end felt about like catching a fast pitched hardball without a mitt - stung like hell and left my hand sore all day. One dude tried to brace his wrist against his hip and straight-arm the bbl to hold it down. It split his palm! But, as you say, if trying to defend oneself ya do what ya gotta do. I still have that box of gawd-awful 45 Colt hand loads, but I haven't shot many of them nor ordered any more (c: Come to think of it, the relative weight of the projectile vs that of the gun determines recoil rate so a lighter bullet wouldn't be near as punishing as an ounce and a half of birdshot so a .22 or .38 would even be fun. And, since the insert isn't a "gun" BATF should have no objections, right? Sounds like a business opportunity for somebody. |
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