Don W wrote in
. net:

Hi Rosie,

I don't see what is the big deal about getting a
couple of crewmembers to go on the longer
passages. Worst case, you spend a little more on
the provisions.

Personally, I decided some time ago that to do the
Pacific I want at least four capable people on the
boat. This allows for 12 hour two-person shifts
at sea, as well as two people on the boat at all
times for anchor watch once you arrive. Only two
people on the boat is too much work for me. I'm
cruising to have fun!

If you think that 12 hour shifts are a good idea, then I never want to sail
with you! I personally think that 3 people crews work great. You get 4
on, 8 off. If there's a problem, then you've got 1 person who's been down
for at least 4 hours. Anything more than 4 hours at night is too long.

-- Geoff

The rest is history. Lesson learned?
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Wait .. you can't do this ... what happened? Did you get married? Did it
end in divorce? Where is she now?


Gee ................

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"Bob" wrote in message
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On Feb 11, 4:18 pm, Larry wrote:
"Bob" wrote in news:1171228147.825891.228200
@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

My prayer for S&L and others is to
take a long hard look at the events that preceed their departure and
know that more of the same will only bring more of the same.
Bob


My analysis long before the event was that they HAD to be in the Bahamas
on a certain day to meet the kids. They "HAD to get there". I think
that is patently wrong on any sailboat that has less than a 1000 HP
engine.
The schedule was the problem.
Larry
RELAX-----WE'LL GET THERE--------------------SOME DAY!


Hi Larry, I must humbly agree. That is one of the most obvious red
flags about this terrible event. Another I noticed dovetails with the
schedule problem. Why so urgent to depart?

After a year living together with my hot 21 yo girlfriend she casually
mentions one afternoon what I thought about getting married. I said,
uhh.....oh.... ya, maybe we should start talking about that. A week
later she had the announcements mailed out.........WTF! I thought we
were just going to talk about it!?!?!?!? Next, came all the smiles,
congratulations, the way to go son comments from parents bosses,
teachers. I felt so trapped and there was no way I could call it off.
Too many people would be soo disappointed. The rest is history. Lesson
learned? When a huge group thinks you're going to do something there
is tremendous pressure to comply.

Braced for the inevitable flames, I'll venture another speculation
based on several of Skip's post dating back to his vessel search days.
This is yet another elephant sitting in the living room: the care-
taker relationship that seems to exist. And then there is the question
of maintenance medications. I am not ****ing on any cornflakes here. I
simply posit the obvious. Yet others will consider these words simply
"too rude and insulting for decent people to talk about in public."
Personally I hang my laundry on my stays for all to see.

"Jere Lull" wrote in message
...
But, as objectionable as I find my next pronouncement to be, would they
have been so rushed to get out of Dodge if they hadn't just paid the
exorbitant FL taxes? Meeting the kids in Georgetown was easily within
their capabilities, and the date or place could easily have been
changed, but getting out of Florida by a date certain was their first
order of business at the time.

Sad to say, but what FL demanded of them was far less than they will
have to pay for trying to avoid FL's taxes.

Would I try the same? You Betcha! They didn't owe FL anything as they
never intended to be in FL any longer than absolutely necessary. Their
dream boat just happened to be stowed there.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD)
Xan's NEW Pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

I've been thinking along the same lines, but a bit further: I'm afraid that
now, since they never left Florida and are stuck there indefinitely, those
taxes they wanted so much to avoid will be due anyway. Talk about adding
insult to injury.

"KLC Lewis" wrote:


"Jere Lull" wrote in message
...
But, as objectionable as I find my next pronouncement to be, would they
have been so rushed to get out of Dodge if they hadn't just paid the
exorbitant FL taxes? Meeting the kids in Georgetown was easily within
their capabilities, and the date or place could easily have been
changed, but getting out of Florida by a date certain was their first
order of business at the time.

Sad to say, but what FL demanded of them was far less than they will
have to pay for trying to avoid FL's taxes.

Would I try the same? You Betcha! They didn't owe FL anything as they
never intended to be in FL any longer than absolutely necessary. Their
dream boat just happened to be stowed there.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD)
Xan's NEW Pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

I've been thinking along the same lines, but a bit further: I'm afraid that
now, since they never left Florida and are stuck there indefinitely, those
taxes they wanted so much to avoid will be due anyway. Talk about adding
insult to injury.

As long as they are in a yard, I think the time stops.

On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 05:38:00 -0600, Geoff Schultz
wrote:

Anything more than 4 hours at night is too long.

I agree. My wife and I usually change watches on a loose schedule
based on when we get tired or when we wake up. This usually works out
to be about 3 hours at night. If we are on a multi day passage I try
to get most of my sleep during day light hours.

One thing I'm meticulous about is leaving my wife with a clear course
line on both the Furuno chart plotter and Maptech OSN on a PC. I also
leave her with an easily read XTE (Cross Track Error) display and
instructions regarding circumstances where she should wake me up.
This would typically be something like a CPA (Closest Point of
Approach) of less than two miles on a radar target, or 1 hour from a
landfall, course change, etc.

I am always on deck for impending landfalls and course changes.

Fortunately my wife does not have sea sickness issues. If she did,
I'm not sure we could do the kind of cruising that we enjoy now.

Rosalie B. wrote in
:

He says I'm chicken.

Nothing is "chicken" about being smart.

Now he's talking about singlehanding, and that's crazy.

His IS crazy....you may quote me.

We do have all roller furling so that we can handle all the sails from
the cockpit and don't need to go on deck except to anchor or come in
to a dock.



I never works that way....and shouldn't be PLANNED to work that way.
Lionheart's roller furling takes place at the bottom of the mast, not aft
in the cockpit. I don't think I'd want to do it any other way because
from the cockpit you can't see it's all going wrong before the damned
thing is jammed, which I can see from right under the roller before it
becomes a problem and can roll it back out to clear it.

Planning on worst case scenario, you must be setup to go forward in heavy
weather to clear the inevitable crash of these systems.

Rosalie is the smart one aboard....STAND Your ground, girl! You got it
right and SAFE!



Larry
--
VIRUS ALERT! VISTA has been released!
NOONE will be spared!

Rosalie B. wrote in
:

Yes but Bob is going to be 71 in March, he's had a heart attack, and
our boat is a CSY 44



You two shouldn't even leave the slip without at LEAST TWO, Strong YOUNG
hands who know how to sail it without you.

Larry
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Dan Best wrote in news:45cfbb20$0$14078
:

Take the time

That's the best advise to anyone under sail....

Larry
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NOONE will be spared!

"Bob" wrote in news:1171246804.293314.187660
@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com:

hot 21 yo girlfriend

If we had one of those, none of us would ever leave the slip and there'd
CERTAINLY be no schedule.....(c;

If she makes a lot of noise and gets embarrassed about it, I might make it
out to an anchorage some place....hee hee. They always look at you so
funny as you're walking down the dock towards the parking lot after keeping
the whole end of the dock awake with that screaming and yelling....hee hee.

432 lurkers and 22 posters are reading your post with GREEN
faces.....including mine.

One of my friends got into a similar marriage situation as you. When
anyone asks him when he's getting married, he tells them, "Oh, we're
already married. She just wants to have the wedding." It fun to time the
person he says that to to see how long it takes for its implications to
register..(c;

Larry
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VIRUS ALERT! VISTA has been released!
NOONE will be spared!

"gospel_truthy" wrote in news:VvPzh.9692
:

And there is nothing wrong with only one muscle person.

I disagree, wholeheartedly. There must be at LEAST two muscle persons
aboard when that boat passes through the harbor entrance. If you sail
with one and one breaks a finger around a winch, you end up with ZERO and
sailing with ZERO muscle persons is just plain stupid.

TWO.....minimum.

Test it for yourself. Pick a relatively bad day...raining, 25 knots,
4' seas increasing. Sit down in the cockpit and say to her, "I just
broke my leg when it got fouled in the jib sheet coming back aft from
shortening sail." From that point on, moan and groan and beg her to help
splint your leg and sail the boat as you are in agony.

Run the test for 6 hours to view the results. You're unconcious after
the first 30 minutes, so at that point SHUT UP and quit telling her what
to do and how to do it. Unconcious captains are really quiet, you know.
No frowning and motioning, either....NO CHEATING THE TEST.

No warnings before the test, either....it has to be totally unprepared
for out of your normal routine. Before the boat broaches or goes
aground, terminate the test and declare it a failure. No bitching or
****ing at her, it's YOUR FAULT for not preparing for this scenario, not
hers. YOU made this stupid decision to go out with one muscleman.

WHEN she starts looking at motorhomes, take that as a signal you'll be
soon singlehanding and needing a new MUSCLEMAN to sail with.....

Larry
--
VIRUS ALERT! VISTA has been released!
NOONE will be spared!