Donna Lange almost sinks
 

Gate valve replacement - anti siphon loops - Why are they important?

Click over to www.donnalange.com and read the latest.

You armchair sailors and coastal putterers imagine sorting this stuff out
while crashing around in rough weather tired and cold and far from anywhere.
She didn't lose any of the tools or small parts in the bilge, that's what
really separates the sailors from the yachtsmen.

A tough lady who could have used a bit more systems advice before departure.
She says she hasn't used the head since before she bought the boat. Now
that's really, really, hard co)

--
Roger Long

Donna Lange almost sinks
 

Hey Roger ,,, I just looked at the web site.. she is tough, that's for
sure.... but in my opinion :: she is nuts.

I'm sorry, but she just doesn't seem normal. It is as if she has a death
wish.


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"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
Gate valve replacement - anti siphon loops - Why are they important?

Click over to www.donnalange.com and read the latest.

You armchair sailors and coastal putterers imagine sorting this stuff out
while crashing around in rough weather tired and cold and far from
anywhere. She didn't lose any of the tools or small parts in the bilge,
that's what really separates the sailors from the yachtsmen.

A tough lady who could have used a bit more systems advice before
departure. She says she hasn't used the head since before she bought the
boat. Now that's really, really, hard co)

--
Roger Long

Donna Lange almost sinks
 

"NE Sailboat" wrote in message
news:0Tmyh.3067$yI1.2291@trndny01...
Hey Roger ,,, I just looked at the web site.. she is tough, that's for
sure.... but in my opinion :: she is nuts.

I'm sorry, but she just doesn't seem normal. It is as if she has a death
wish.


I think that if she had a "death wish," we would have read of her demise
long before now. Donna Lange has my respect and admiration. And I can't help
thinking that if this was a male sailor, she wouldn't be getting comments
like that from the peanut gallery.

Karin

Donna Lange almost sinks
 

On Feb 7, 10:27 am, "KLC Lewis" wrote:
"NE Sailboat" wrote in message

news:0Tmyh.3067$yI1.2291@trndny01...

Hey Roger ,,, I just looked at the web site.. she is tough, that's for
sure.... but in my opinion :: she is nuts.

I'm sorry, but she just doesn't seem normal. It is as if she has a death
wish.

I think that if she had a "death wish," we would have read of her demise
long before now. Donna Lange has my respect and admiration. And I can't help
thinking that if this was a male sailor, she wouldn't be getting comments
like that from the peanut gallery.

Karin

She has no death wish . . . she is simply not afraid to get out of
bed, go out of the house, and live her life. . . in other words she is
courageous. She took a decision not to simply wonder about what it
would be like, but rather to find out for herself. She has my
respect.

John

Donna Lange almost sinks
 

KLC Lewis wrote:

Donna Lange has my respect and admiration.
And I can't help thinking that if this was a male sailor, she
wouldn't be getting comments like that from the peanut gallery.

Hear, hear!

She may not have all the knowledge of systems that she should, but you could
say that about 95% of the boat owner's out there. She may not have had
the money to have redone her boat soup to nuts but she has gotten a lot
farther than many who did. She dealt with this stuff under difficult
circumstances and she is still going, and going, and going. (But just not
in the head:)

You can be just as dead sinking a quarter mile from shore. The peanut
gallery should go take a look at their own through hulls and bilge piping.

--
Roger Long

Donna Lange almost sinks
 

You know, from what I could see in the online listing, the voice from the
peanut gallery has a boat more capable of making a circumnavigation than
Donna's. It's the same type and next larger model as the Cape Horn wind
vane guy sailed around the world. To hear him tell it, he also has a lot
more sea time than Donna. Maybe he doesn't like to get far from home
himself but lack of respect for some one like Donna is pretty small minded.

Saying she has a death wish betrays an ignorance of the sea. Coastal waters
can be every bit as dangerous, often more so, than the open ocean. Just
this morning we got a sad reminder of what can happen to an even larger
vessel in perfect condition. There are rogue waves but the rocks and sand
are always hard and unyielding and they cover a lot more of the planet.

Even after her circumnavigation, I would have more confidence in Donna's
ability to do what she is doing now than making an extensive coastal cruise
around an area like Maine or Newfoundland. A trip like hers takes great
mental toughness, physical reserves, and preparation. Those are qualities
that can be created more quickly, if you have the raw material, than the
navigational expertise and judgement to spend weeks and months with rocks
and ledges close at hand and lee shores only a few miles away in the fog.
You'll note that she ran into South America (fortunately without damage)
when she got close to it.

--
Roger Long

Donna Lange almost sinks
 

KLC ,, or is that KFC ..

Look at the comments when Ken "I'm really not going around the world" Barnes
decided to stay down below rather than tend to his boat ...

I think many said he was an ill-prepared wack job.

Male or female, it makes no difference.

I idea is to take the boat from one place to another the easiest way
possible and enjoy the trip. That is why boats travel at certain times of
the year.

Donna is a nut. She is also a very interesting nut. And a brave nut. In
fact, I kinda like her.

That she is a nut is only one part of the overall picture.

I still think that there is a demon or something inside her which she is
trying to deal with. Hope she figures it out before she is dead.

======
"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
et...

"NE Sailboat" wrote in message
news:0Tmyh.3067$yI1.2291@trndny01...
Hey Roger ,,, I just looked at the web site.. she is tough, that's for
sure.... but in my opinion :: she is nuts.

I'm sorry, but she just doesn't seem normal. It is as if she has a death
wish.


I think that if she had a "death wish," we would have read of her demise
long before now. Donna Lange has my respect and admiration. And I can't
help thinking that if this was a male sailor, she wouldn't be getting
comments like that from the peanut gallery.

Karin

Donna Lange almost sinks
 

Roger ,, why are you making a personal attack on me? I am only expressing
my opinion.

The Cape Horn wind vane guy ?? He and I own the same model boat, same size.
One big difference. His has over $100,000 dollars of seaworthyness added to
it. Sails, electronics, redesign of cockpit, etc.

An opinion is not lack of respect. It is an opinion. When a solo sailor
goes forth in a boat which you yourself posted was ill equipped ;;;

Then the question must be asked;; why?

================================
"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
You know, from what I could see in the online listing, the voice from the
peanut gallery has a boat more capable of making a circumnavigation than
Donna's. It's the same type and next larger model as the Cape Horn wind
vane guy sailed around the world. To hear him tell it, he also has a lot
more sea time than Donna. Maybe he doesn't like to get far from home
himself but lack of respect for some one like Donna is pretty small
minded.

Saying she has a death wish betrays an ignorance of the sea. Coastal
waters can be every bit as dangerous, often more so, than the open ocean.
Just this morning we got a sad reminder of what can happen to an even
larger vessel in perfect condition. There are rogue waves but the rocks
and sand are always hard and unyielding and they cover a lot more of the
planet.

Even after her circumnavigation, I would have more confidence in Donna's
ability to do what she is doing now than making an extensive coastal
cruise around an area like Maine or Newfoundland. A trip like hers takes
great mental toughness, physical reserves, and preparation. Those are
qualities that can be created more quickly, if you have the raw material,
than the navigational expertise and judgement to spend weeks and months
with rocks and ledges close at hand and lee shores only a few miles away
in the fog. You'll note that she ran into South America (fortunately
without damage) when she got close to it.

--
Roger Long

Donna Lange almost sinks
 

"NE Sailboat" wrote in message
news:gPoyh.9743$_d4.2937@trndny05...
KLC ,, or is that KFC ..

Look at the comments when Ken "I'm really not going around the world"
Barnes decided to stay down below rather than tend to his boat ...

I think many said he was an ill-prepared wack job.

Male or female, it makes no difference.

I idea is to take the boat from one place to another the easiest way
possible and enjoy the trip. That is why boats travel at certain times of
the year.

Donna is a nut. She is also a very interesting nut. And a brave nut. In
fact, I kinda like her.

That she is a nut is only one part of the overall picture.

I still think that there is a demon or something inside her which she is
trying to deal with. Hope she figures it out before she is dead.

======
"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
et...

"NE Sailboat" wrote in message
news:0Tmyh.3067$yI1.2291@trndny01...
Hey Roger ,,, I just looked at the web site.. she is tough, that's for
sure.... but in my opinion :: she is nuts.

I'm sorry, but she just doesn't seem normal. It is as if she has a
death wish.


I think that if she had a "death wish," we would have read of her demise
long before now. Donna Lange has my respect and admiration. And I can't
help thinking that if this was a male sailor, she wouldn't be getting
comments like that from the peanut gallery.

Karin




Is she nuts? I think a voyage like that will make someone nuts whether or
not they were nuts to start with. That's not really what I object to in your
continued commentary on Donna Lange -- it's your repeated pronouncements
that she must have a "death wish." Is she "normal"? No, she's not. Thank God
she's not "normal," because "normal" people sit at home wishing they had
half the guts this woman has, while calling her a nut case.

Donna Lange almost sinks
 

On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:20:10 -0600, "KLC Lewis"
wrote:

Is she "normal"? No, she's not. Thank God
she's not "normal," because "normal" people sit at home wishing they had
half the guts this woman has, while calling her a nut case.

Chuckle.

Donna Lange almost sinks
 

"KLC Lewis" wrote:
"NE Sailboat" wrote in message
news:gPoyh.9743$_d4.2937@trndny05...
KLC ,, or is that KFC ..

Look at the comments when Ken "I'm really not going around the world"
Barnes decided to stay down below rather than tend to his boat ...

I think many said he was an ill-prepared wack job.

Male or female, it makes no difference.

I idea is to take the boat from one place to another the easiest way
possible and enjoy the trip. That is why boats travel at certain times of
the year.

Donna is a nut. She is also a very interesting nut. And a brave nut. In
fact, I kinda like her.

That she is a nut is only one part of the overall picture.

I still think that there is a demon or something inside her which she is
trying to deal with. Hope she figures it out before she is dead.

======
"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
et...

"NE Sailboat" wrote in message
news:0Tmyh.3067$yI1.2291@trndny01...
Hey Roger ,,, I just looked at the web site.. she is tough, that's for
sure.... but in my opinion :: she is nuts.

I'm sorry, but she just doesn't seem normal. It is as if she has a
death wish.

I think that if she had a "death wish," we would have read of her demise
long before now. Donna Lange has my respect and admiration. And I can't
help thinking that if this was a male sailor, she wouldn't be getting
comments like that from the peanut gallery.

Karin

Is she nuts? I think a voyage like that will make someone nuts whether or
not they were nuts to start with. That's not really what I object to in your
continued commentary on Donna Lange -- it's your repeated pronouncements
that she must have a "death wish." Is she "normal"? No, she's not. Thank God
she's not "normal," because "normal" people sit at home wishing they had
half the guts this woman has, while calling her a nut case.

I don't really care what happens to her. I haven't gone to any
websites and read about her. I am not qualified to say nor do I care
whether she is in her right mind or not. I don't think it makes any
real difference that she is a woman. I don't respect her or
disrespect her.

I am going to object to something however (otherwise I would be
continue to be quiet).

Many normal people of both sexes would sit at home and NOT wish they
had the guts to do what she is doing - being perfectly happy not
pushing the envelope or at least not that particular part of the
envelope. The people that want to do, and then do do what she appears
to be doing are rare, and that's as it should be. If everyone did
what she appears to be doing, the world would be a right mess, and the
oceans would be full of broken boats and shipwrecked people.

Donna Lange almost sinks
 

Hi Rosie,

Rounding the cape solo in a 28 foot boat isn't
"manifestly unsafe", but it isn't exactly "safe"
either. Still, I admire her courage and pursuit
of her dream. I think she is going to make it,
and if I run into her sometime in the future I'll
be happy to buy her a drink.

There is a fellow down at our marina who
circumnavigated solo on his 37 foot boat--and he
is totally deaf. He has a lovely wife who stayed
home biting her nails and praying for him. It was
his dream, not hers so he went alone.

Don W.

Rosalie B. wrote:

I don't really care what happens to her. I haven't gone to any
websites and read about her. I am not qualified to say nor do I care
whether she is in her right mind or not. I don't think it makes any
real difference that she is a woman. I don't respect her or
disrespect her.

I am going to object to something however (otherwise I would be
continue to be quiet).

Many normal people of both sexes would sit at home and NOT wish they
had the guts to do what she is doing - being perfectly happy not
pushing the envelope or at least not that particular part of the
envelope. The people that want to do, and then do do what she appears
to be doing are rare, and that's as it should be. If everyone did
what she appears to be doing, the world would be a right mess, and the
oceans would be full of broken boats and shipwrecked people.

Donna Lange almost sinks
 

In article ,
Don W wrote:
Hi Rosie,

Rounding the cape solo in a 28 foot boat isn't
[snip]

There is a fellow down at our marina who
circumnavigated solo on his 37 foot boat--and he
is totally deaf. He has a lovely wife who stayed
home biting her nails and praying for him. It was
his dream, not hers so he went alone.

Don;

Are you at Serindipity Marina in Palacios?

There was another Tartan 37 there that a couple circumnavigated with.

As I was leaving, a Canadian couple had bought that boat and were
trying to fix it up. Are they still there?

ron
--
Ron Roberts or Phone (512) 219-0043
Usenet invented "no controlling legal authority."

Donna Lange almost sinks
 

Is she "normal"? No, she's not. Thank God
she's not "normal," because "normal" people sit at home wishing they had
half the guts this woman has, while calling her a nut case.
=====================================

I'm really trying to understand the corellation between "guts" and foolish
behavior. If one is on a seaworthy boat, fully prepared for the conditions
one will experience at sea, then that sailor is not gutsy? Yet, if one goes
out on a boat which has numerous problems, is functionally not prepared for
the conditions the boat will experience that person is "gutsy" and "brave"
but not foolish?

Doing something stupid, and surviving is not gutsy. It is just foolish
behavior. If the boat makes it to shore, as Donna has so far except when
she was rescued off of Ireland ... did you forget about this adventure ...
she is not gutsy, she is lucky.

There are many boats which are traveling around the world. They are well
prepared, they travel at the safest times of year, their crews ( as in they
have more than one which the maritime law requires ) are careful, safe,
secure, sailors.

But for some, this isn't enough. Nope,, it is better to go on and on about
this lady who is sailing by herself in a boat which has numerous issues.

And then when I or anyone else here expresses an opinion, one that differs
with your own ,, you attack the poster ( me ) personally. Why? Why are you
attacking me. Did I say that Donna was not a good sailor? I only expressed
my opinion that her behavior is foolish. And that to continue to do what
she is doing is dangerous and I wonder why she is doing it.

I think she is someone who has some issues. This is my opinion. She is
putting herself at great risk. I would not do what she is doing, not
because I am affraid, but because it sounds god awful. I prefer to enjoy
life. Not be in the middle of nowhere freezing on a boat which might sink
at any minute.

Give me a nice sail to Antigua.


"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
...

"NE Sailboat" wrote in message
news:gPoyh.9743$_d4.2937@trndny05...
KLC ,, or is that KFC ..

Look at the comments when Ken "I'm really not going around the world"
Barnes decided to stay down below rather than tend to his boat ...

I think many said he was an ill-prepared wack job.

Male or female, it makes no difference.

I idea is to take the boat from one place to another the easiest way
possible and enjoy the trip. That is why boats travel at certain times
of the year.

Donna is a nut. She is also a very interesting nut. And a brave nut.
In fact, I kinda like her.

That she is a nut is only one part of the overall picture.

I still think that there is a demon or something inside her which she is
trying to deal with. Hope she figures it out before she is dead.

======
"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
et...

"NE Sailboat" wrote in message
news:0Tmyh.3067$yI1.2291@trndny01...
Hey Roger ,,, I just looked at the web site.. she is tough, that's for
sure.... but in my opinion :: she is nuts.

I'm sorry, but she just doesn't seem normal. It is as if she has a
death wish.


I think that if she had a "death wish," we would have read of her demise
long before now. Donna Lange has my respect and admiration. And I can't
help thinking that if this was a male sailor, she wouldn't be getting
comments like that from the peanut gallery.

Karin




Is she nuts? I think a voyage like that will make someone nuts whether or
not they were nuts to start with. That's not really what I object to in
your continued commentary on Donna Lange -- it's your repeated
pronouncements that she must have a "death wish." Is she "normal"? No,
she's not. Thank God she's not "normal," because "normal" people sit at
home wishing they had half the guts this woman has, while calling her a
nut case.

Donna Lange almost sinks
 

"NE Sailboat" wrote
Ken "I'm really not going around the world" Barnes

Am I mistaken, or is one of the differences between Barnes and Lange that
Barnes wanted to make the trip non-stop?

Donna Lange almost sinks
 

Where do you find a "personal attack" in my response to you? In my reference
to "normal people"? Sorry, but I've never been accused of attacking someone
by calling them "normal" before, so I'm going to have to adjust to this. It
might take me some time.

"NE Sailboat" wrote in message
news:ZMryh.5206$FM3.2376@trndny06...
Is she "normal"? No, she's not. Thank God
she's not "normal," because "normal" people sit at home wishing they had
half the guts this woman has, while calling her a nut case.
=====================================

I'm really trying to understand the corellation between "guts" and foolish
behavior. If one is on a seaworthy boat, fully prepared for the
conditions one will experience at sea, then that sailor is not gutsy?
Yet, if one goes out on a boat which has numerous problems, is
functionally not prepared for the conditions the boat will experience that
person is "gutsy" and "brave" but not foolish?

Doing something stupid, and surviving is not gutsy. It is just foolish
behavior. If the boat makes it to shore, as Donna has so far except when
she was rescued off of Ireland ... did you forget about this adventure ...
she is not gutsy, she is lucky.

There are many boats which are traveling around the world. They are well
prepared, they travel at the safest times of year, their crews ( as in
they have more than one which the maritime law requires ) are careful,
safe, secure, sailors.

But for some, this isn't enough. Nope,, it is better to go on and on
about this lady who is sailing by herself in a boat which has numerous
issues.

And then when I or anyone else here expresses an opinion, one that differs
with your own ,, you attack the poster ( me ) personally. Why? Why are
you attacking me. Did I say that Donna was not a good sailor? I only
expressed my opinion that her behavior is foolish. And that to continue
to do what she is doing is dangerous and I wonder why she is doing it.

I think she is someone who has some issues. This is my opinion. She is
putting herself at great risk. I would not do what she is doing, not
because I am affraid, but because it sounds god awful. I prefer to enjoy
life. Not be in the middle of nowhere freezing on a boat which might sink
at any minute.

Give me a nice sail to Antigua.


"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
...

"NE Sailboat" wrote in message
news:gPoyh.9743$_d4.2937@trndny05...
KLC ,, or is that KFC ..

Look at the comments when Ken "I'm really not going around the world"
Barnes decided to stay down below rather than tend to his boat ...

I think many said he was an ill-prepared wack job.

Male or female, it makes no difference.

I idea is to take the boat from one place to another the easiest way
possible and enjoy the trip. That is why boats travel at certain times
of the year.

Donna is a nut. She is also a very interesting nut. And a brave nut.
In fact, I kinda like her.

That she is a nut is only one part of the overall picture.

I still think that there is a demon or something inside her which she is
trying to deal with. Hope she figures it out before she is dead.

======
"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
et...

"NE Sailboat" wrote in message
news:0Tmyh.3067$yI1.2291@trndny01...
Hey Roger ,,, I just looked at the web site.. she is tough, that's
for sure.... but in my opinion :: she is nuts.

I'm sorry, but she just doesn't seem normal. It is as if she has a
death wish.


I think that if she had a "death wish," we would have read of her
demise long before now. Donna Lange has my respect and admiration. And
I can't help thinking that if this was a male sailor, she wouldn't be
getting comments like that from the peanut gallery.

Karin




Is she nuts? I think a voyage like that will make someone nuts whether or
not they were nuts to start with. That's not really what I object to in
your continued commentary on Donna Lange -- it's your repeated
pronouncements that she must have a "death wish." Is she "normal"? No,
she's not. Thank God she's not "normal," because "normal" people sit at
home wishing they had half the guts this woman has, while calling her a
nut case.

Donna Lange almost sinks
 

Now that we've sunk Donna, how do we feel about Ellen MacArthur?
Gordon

Donna Lange almost sinks
 

On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 21:46:33 GMT, "NE Sailboat"
wrote:

I'm really trying to understand the corellation between "guts" and foolish
behavior. If one is on a seaworthy boat, fully prepared for the conditions
one will experience at sea, then that sailor is not gutsy?

Frankly I don't think that anyone on a small boat offshore is fully
prepared for all the surprises that are out there. You just have to
accept that there is some risk before you go. At some point
preparation becomes damage control. And that, along with a bit of
luck, separates those we hear from, and those we don't.

Donna Lange almost sinks
 

On Feb 7, 6:21 pm, Wayne.B wrote:

"Frankly I don't think that anyone on a small boat offshore is fully
prepared for all the surprises that are out there. You just have to
accept that there is some risk before you go. At some point
preparation becomes damage control. And that, along with a bit of
luck, separates those we hear from, and those we don't."


Replace the term "on a small boat offshore" with "living life" and you
have a very workable formula for personal success.

Donna Lange almost sinks
 

That's the place, and you know who I'm talking
about. I'm not sure on the status of the other
Tartan 37 as I've not met the couple that bought her.

Don W.

Ronald Hugh Roberts wrote:
In article ,
Don W wrote:

Hi Rosie,

Rounding the cape solo in a 28 foot boat isn't

[snip]

There is a fellow down at our marina who
circumnavigated solo on his 37 foot boat--and he
is totally deaf. He has a lovely wife who stayed
home biting her nails and praying for him. It was
his dream, not hers so he went alone.


Don;

Are you at Serindipity Marina in Palacios?

There was another Tartan 37 there that a couple circumnavigated with.

As I was leaving, a Canadian couple had bought that boat and were
trying to fix it up. Are they still there?

ron