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Dave wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 23:03:13 -0600, xorbit said:

all the Alaskan crude is only for U.S. domestic consumption

What is the basis for that conclusion?


Actually, if Alaska crude is designated for US consumption only,
doesn't that mean we MAY have to pay higher prices because we are
required to use it?
Gordon

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Larry wrote:

Dave wrote in news:3h6kr29dd19fsch4t8f7cj03h2cbvk6c35@
4ax.com:


How much of that is tax?

Around 82%,

Give the Democrats here a little time and we'll be at that figure too.




You're in for a shock. We're already at that figure....

Larry

So you're saying the democrats will up the ante? Can you provide a
breakdown so we can all have the same insight as you?

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Dave wrote:

On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 23:03:13 -0600, xorbit said:


all the Alaskan crude is only for U.S. domestic consumption


What is the basis for that conclusion?

Earlier post in the thread.

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xorbit wrote in :

So you're saying the democrats will up the ante? Can you provide a
breakdown so we can all have the same insight as you?



Democrats? Republicans? Surely, you don't believe these political front
groups are in control of the money and have anything to do with money's
value, do you? They haven't been in control of the money since 1913, when
the bankers bribed their way into the Federal Reserve Bank Corporation, who
print the money, control its value and have us nearly $US10T in debt to
them! The Democrats and Republicans even turned over the gold reserves at
Fort Knox to the bankers for "safe keeping", giving them even more power
and control, the power to ruin. I'm not sure who controls Canada's money,
I know the Bank of England isn't controlled by the Parliament. It's
another private corporation, too.

The media propaganda machine makes like politicians control the economy,
here in the USA. It's BS! The big bankers who own the Federal Reserve
Corporation control the economy in my USA, since way before I was born.
This is why there are constant wars requiring the government to come to
them and borrow more and more and more to run the wars.

Wasn't it Meyer Rothchild who said, "Let me control the money in any
country and I care NOT who makes its laws."

He was absolutely correct....

100% of the money collected by the tax gestapo's income tax goes straight
to pay the debt to the Federal Reserve Bankers. Not a penny of it goes
into infrastructure and services to the American people.

Larry
--
Federal Reserve Bank Corporation has as much to do with the Federal
Government as Federal Express Corporation....

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Dave wrote in news:gjmkr25pu1c0geb07plugk6jp78t4dt231@
4ax.com:

Been reading the Protocols of the Elders of Zion again, Larry?



Aaron Russo's "America - Freedom to Fascism"

Documentary film about the Fed, IRS, income taxes, Verichip implantation of
humans (Mark of the Beast), and more. Very interesting when it slaps you
right in the face and IRS bureaucrats refuse to talk to a Hollywood
producer of Russo's stature with so many famous films.

Lotsa Jews in the film. Is that ok with you? Does that help?

Larry
--
Democracy is when two wolves and a sheep vote on who's for dinner.
Liberty is when the sheep has his own gun.

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For what it's worth, as of 1999, most Alaskan oil was shipped to "US
Markets" (http://www.anwr.org/features/pdfs/flyerexports.pdf). That was as
of 1999, and I can't find reliable information that's any newer. Also, it
doesn't say that the oil STAYS in the US, or what happens to it after it's
refined. However the report does mention that while 876,397 barrels of
Alaskan oil per day were shipped to the West Coast, 236,000 barrels per day
were Exported from the West Coast. So it's possible that there's some
manipulating of figures going on. Alaskan oil can be said to be shipped
"almost entirely to the US West Coast," which is true. Only then it's
exported. Maybe. Finding out what really happens with oil is a pretty
slippery business.

Karin

"Larry" wrote in message
...
Dave wrote in news:gjmkr25pu1c0geb07plugk6jp78t4dt231@
4ax.com:

Been reading the Protocols of the Elders of Zion again, Larry?



Aaron Russo's "America - Freedom to Fascism"

Documentary film about the Fed, IRS, income taxes, Verichip implantation
of
humans (Mark of the Beast), and more. Very interesting when it slaps you
right in the face and IRS bureaucrats refuse to talk to a Hollywood
producer of Russo's stature with so many famous films.

Lotsa Jews in the film. Is that ok with you? Does that help?

Larry
--
Democracy is when two wolves and a sheep vote on who's for dinner.
Liberty is when the sheep has his own gun.

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Dave wrote:

Hmm. A very authoritative source. Not.

He based it on what I said. It looks like right now I was wrong (at
least temporally I appear to have been right).

1996 - U.S. Congress lifts the ban on exportation of Alaska crude oil.

As edited from the site http://sled.alaska.edu/akfaq/akchron.html

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"KLC Lewis" wrote:
For what it's worth, as of 1999, most Alaskan oil was shipped to "US
Markets" (http://www.anwr.org/features/pdfs/flyerexports.pdf).

Be advised that your source is not reliable. Arctic Power, the
owner of that web site is a lobbying organization mostly
supported by the Republican party majority in the Alaska
Legislature. Their sole purpose is to lobby for the opening of
ANWR, and they have a long reputation for less than accurate
statements. The cited PDF is no exception.

Among the errors in that particular document:

Opponents to oil and gas exploration in the Coastal Plain
of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge tell people that
100 percent of the oil produced on Alaska's North Slope
is being exported.

A strawman argument. *They* made that one up, not "opponents".
Note that they fail to mention the reason no oil has been
exported since 2000 is simply because, well, shucks... the oil
companies got caught manipulating crude supplies in California
to boost the price of refined products, and had to promise
Congress that they will not export ANS crude (Alaska North Slope
crude).

There is a chance that very large oil and gas fields,
similar to the Prudhoe Bay area further west, could be
discovered in ANWR's coastal plain.

The chances of that are virtually *zero*. Nobody is suggesting
otherwise. The oil predicted to exist in ANWR is expected to be
in multiple small fields.

Oil and gas deposits have been discovered near ANWR's
western border, and a recent oil discovery may result in
the first pipeline built to western boundary of the
Coastal Plain.

That's some sort of a joke I guess. The Badami field is the
closest producing oil field to ANWR. It has been a very
disappointing project, and was actually totally shutdown for an
extended period (indeed, when that document was published,
Badami was turned off). The oil has a high percentage of wax
and is very difficult to pump.

ANWR development could create 736,000 new jobs

Those numbers have been totally discredited; it was an invalid
study. It has been demonstrated that the actual number of jobs
would be, at most, about 1/10th of that number.

Only a small percentage of Coastal plain, about 2,000
acres, would be impacted by oil development;

Totally bogus claim... The 2000 acre figure is the "footprint",
which is the amount of land that the North Slope Borough would
be able to levy a property tax on. It includes the area touched
by pipeline supports, but not the area under the pipe, for
example. It includes parts of airports, but not all of it. It
includes the drill pad, and land under a building, but not
roads, not garbage dumps, and not gravel pits. While the
taxible area might be 2000 acres, the *impacted* area would be
nearly the entire 1,500,000 acres of the 1002 Area on the
coastal plain.

The coastal plain is not a pristine wilderness:

Another total joke. I've been there, and let me tell you flat
out that the coastal plain of ANWR is the most pristine
wilderness anywhere it the US today.

That was as
of 1999, and I can't find reliable information that's any newer. Also, it

http://www.ncseonline.org/NLE/CRSrep...l/nrgen-25.cfm
http://www.senate.gov/~commerce/hearings/0425mal.PDF

It isn't much newer, but there has been no change since.

doesn't say that the oil STAYS in the US, or what happens to it after it's
refined. However the report does mention that while 876,397 barrels of
Alaskan oil per day were shipped to the West Coast, 236,000 barrels per day
were Exported from the West Coast. So it's possible that there's some
manipulating of figures going on. Alaskan oil can be said to be shipped
"almost entirely to the US West Coast," which is true. Only then it's
exported. Maybe. Finding out what really happens with oil is a pretty
slippery business.

Welllll, that's a bit of wild speculation; and there is nothing
to support the idea. ANS crude is *not* being exported from the
west coast, it is being refined there. We do in fact export
some refined products, but not much. For all practical purposes
it is exactly as described: Alaska crude is shipped to and used
by the West Coast US Domestic market to the tune of virtually
100%.

--
Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)

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"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:24:49 -0500, Larry said:

Documentary film about the Fed, IRS, income taxes, Verichip implantation
of
humans (Mark of the Beast), and more. Very interesting when it slaps you
right in the face

Before you end up behind bars, let me recommend you expand your reading to
this:

http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsieg.../IncomeTax.htm

All well and good, but the writer neglects to address the most important
point: What is "Income," how is it defined and who is considered to have it?
Note that I am NOT discussing the definition of "Gross Income"; "Gross
Income" is defined as " All Income...from whatever source derived." The
"Income Tax" is not levied upon "Income," it is levied upon "Gross Income."
Legal weaseling? Not all all. An extremely important distinction. So what,
exactly, is "Income"? The IRS won't tell you.

Karin

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"Dave" wrote in message
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On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 10:28:39 -0600, "KLC Lewis"
said:

The
"Income Tax" is not levied upon "Income," it is levied upon "Gross
Income."

Prof. Griswold, the author of one of the classic treatises on the federal
income tax used to start his first day of class with the following advice:
"Before you sit down and think great thoughts, read the Code. Then read
the
regulations. Then read the cases. Then if you haven't found the answer you
can sit down and think great thoughts."

Note that he didn't mention some lunatic's blog (well, in fairness when I
sat through his class there were no such things as blogs).

Before pontificating based on some lunatic's blog, I suggest you read
Section 1 of the Internal Revenue Code. Then read Section 63, and finally
Section 61. Then maybe, just maybe, you can tell us what the income tax is
levied on.

Actually, no. I've been studying the Income Tax for over ten years, as a
Citizen layperson, and still cannot find any definition, in that code, of
the word "Income." They have power on their side, so I pay the taxes. But I
still agree with the "tax protesters" on a fair number of their arguments.

Compare this issue to that of "Marriage." There is currently a flurry of
activity in the various State legislatures, modifying their laws so that
"Marriage" is defined as "...the Union between One Man and One Woman." Why?
Because without the word "Marriage" being defined, the courts are rightly
ruling that to deny marriage to Gays is unconstitutional (for that matter,
denying it to Gays will be unconstitutional anyway, but I digress...).

When ambiguity exists, it is incumbent that the words being used are
precisely defined. This ambiguity is made apparent by the definition of the
phrase "Gross Income," but not the word, "Income." All of my research into
this area shows that the only entities originally intended to be considered
as having "Income" were corporations -- not individuals.

Karin