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OT - Lousy Canadian tipping
I can't recall the posting I saw that mentioned Canadians are lousy tippers.
It's true, sort of, but there is a reason. I only found this out since I lived in Maryland for 4 years. I'm a Canadian by the way. One area where the countries differ are minimum wage rates. In Maryland, if you're in a job where tipping is likely to provide a substantial part of your income, the state minimum wage can be as low as 50% as the regular minimum wage. In MD, the state minimum wage was $5.15/hour. Restaurant servers can be legally paid as little as $2.38/hour and have to rely on tipping to make up the rest! http://www.dllr.state.md.us/labor/wagepay/wptipped.htm So people that know this (and probably those that don't because it's the customary tip) all tip at least 15% which makes up the shortfall in their wages. I *think* they are also taxed as though a certain portion of their wages are assumed as tips. So that poor guy who you stiff on a tip is really hurting because he's expecting a decent tip even if the service sucks. In British Columbia, Canada, where I live now, the minimum wage is $ 8/hour. Living prices are pretty comparable in MD and BC if one ignores the fact that the currency is different. i.e. a pound of apples in MD is about $1 US/lb and is about $1 Cdn/lb in BC. So the BC waiter is making a higher income before tipping, and nobody thinks twice about tipping 10% and thinking it's reasonable. -- Evan Gatehouse you'll have to rewrite my email address to get to me ceilydh AT 3web dot net (fools the spammers) |
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Canadians don't typically interact with people based fundamentally on
money. It never occurs to us to build relationships that way. That's a very american thing. Most Canadians also rarely feel the need to bolster their egos by tossing cash at people. That too is an American thing. Canadians aren't cheap, Canadians are just different. Evan Gatehouse wrote: I can't recall the posting I saw that mentioned Canadians are lousy tippers. It's true, sort of, but there is a reason. I only found this out since I lived in Maryland for 4 years. I'm a Canadian by the way. One area where the countries differ are minimum wage rates. In Maryland, if you're in a job where tipping is likely to provide a substantial part of your income, the state minimum wage can be as low as 50% as the regular minimum wage. In MD, the state minimum wage was $5.15/hour. Restaurant servers can be legally paid as little as $2.38/hour and have to rely on tipping to make up the rest! http://www.dllr.state.md.us/labor/wagepay/wptipped.htm So people that know this (and probably those that don't because it's the customary tip) all tip at least 15% which makes up the shortfall in their wages. I *think* they are also taxed as though a certain portion of their wages are assumed as tips. So that poor guy who you stiff on a tip is really hurting because he's expecting a decent tip even if the service sucks. In British Columbia, Canada, where I live now, the minimum wage is $ 8/hour. Living prices are pretty comparable in MD and BC if one ignores the fact that the currency is different. i.e. a pound of apples in MD is about $1 US/lb and is about $1 Cdn/lb in BC. So the BC waiter is making a higher income before tipping, and nobody thinks twice about tipping 10% and thinking it's reasonable. -- Evan Gatehouse you'll have to rewrite my email address to get to me ceilydh AT 3web dot net (fools the spammers) |
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"Evan Gatehouse" wrote: I can't recall the posting I saw that mentioned Canadians are lousy tippers. It's true, sort of, but there is a reason. I only found this out since I lived in Maryland for 4 years. I'm a Canadian by the way. One area where the countries differ are minimum wage rates. In Maryland, if you're in a job where tipping is likely to provide a substantial part of your income, the state minimum wage can be as low as 50% as the regular minimum wage. In MD, the state minimum wage was $5.15/hour. Restaurant servers can be legally paid as little as $2.38/hour and have to rely on tipping to make up the rest! http://www.dllr.state.md.us/labor/wagepay/wptipped.htm So people that know this (and probably those that don't because it's the customary tip) all tip at least 15% which makes up the shortfall in their wages. I *think* they are also taxed as though a certain portion of their wages are assumed as tips. So that poor guy who you stiff on a tip is really hurting because he's expecting a decent tip even if the service sucks. You are correct about this. When my daughter worked as a waitress, they withheld income tax and FICA as though she got the minimum wage, even though she didn't get paid but half of that by her employer. In order for her to recover the excess with-held amounts, she had to file for a refund and prove that she didn't get enough tips. And she didn't because since she was under 21, she couldn't work where they served alcoholic beverages (lunch and dinner) so she was a breakfast waitress. 15% of what you spend for breakfast is not a large amount. $1 was a huge tip for her. I did have a friend who worked in this same establishment for dinner and she made quite good money. In British Columbia, Canada, where I live now, the minimum wage is $ 8/hour. Living prices are pretty comparable in MD and BC if one ignores the fact that the currency is different. i.e. a pound of apples in MD is about $1 US/lb and is about $1 Cdn/lb in BC. So the BC waiter is making a higher income before tipping, and nobody thinks twice about tipping 10% and thinking it's reasonable. That's very interesting. grandma Rosalie |
OT - Lousy Canadian tipping
In a large part of the world %10 is the average tip. Now what does this
have to do with sailing? -- Geoff |
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Randy wrote:
Canadians don't typically interact with people based fundamentally on money. It never occurs to us to build relationships that way. That's a very american [sic] thing. Most Canadians also rarely feel the need to bolster their egos by tossing cash at people. That too is an American thing. Thanks for clearing up all the confusion in such an even-handed, non-chauvinistic manner. That's an American thing _too_. -- Good luck and good sailing. s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat http://kerrydeare.tripod.com |
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Randy wrote:
Canadians don't typically interact with people based fundamentally on money. It never occurs to us to build relationships that way. That's a very american thing. Most Canadians also rarely feel the need to bolster their egos by tossing cash at people. That too is an American thing. Canadians aren't cheap, Canadians are just different. lol, canadians are also good comedians ;-) as an aside, the worst tippers are stingy people away from home, people who know they won't be seen in a restaurant again, and take it out on the waiter or waitress. i suppose boorish americans tip less in canada than they would hat home. |
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The word TIPS means "to ensure prompt service". If the service is
lousy I don't tip anything at marine restaurants (to try and keep to a nautical topic). 15% is normal but I don't tip on the taxes charged that is for sure. To expect a tip for poor service is ridiculous no matter how much you are being paid. sail on..... |
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John wrote:
The word TIPS means "to ensure prompt service". Wouldn't that be "TEPS"? -- Good luck and good sailing. s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat http://kerrydeare.tripod.com |
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On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 00:38:04 -0700, "Evan Gatehouse"
wrote: In British Columbia, Canada, where I live now, the minimum wage is $ 8/hour. That's about the same $US2.38/hour in Maryland, given the state of the Canadian dollar, isn't it?....(c; Larry W4CSC 3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right? |
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Didja ever see that cartoon with the diver standing by your boat with
your propeller in his hands and the caption reads...... DON'T FORGET TO PAY THE DIVERS See? It's about sailing..... On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 12:07:49 GMT, "Geoffrey W. Schultz" wrote: In a large part of the world %10 is the average tip. Now what does this have to do with sailing? -- Geoff Larry W4CSC 3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right? |
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From: "Evan Gatehouse" I can't recall the posting I saw that mentioned Canadians are lousy tippers. I believe that was mine. And it was meant as stereotype. In other words, a myth with a bit of truth in it. :-) snip So the BC waiter is making a higher income before tipping, and nobody thinks twice about tipping 10% and thinking it's reasonable. May very well be true. But it doesn't excuse some one from taking the time to learn and know the local customs when they travel out of their home area. Capt. Bill |
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Subject: OT - Lousy Canadian tipping
From: "Geoffrey W. Schultz" In a large part of the world %10 is the average tip. Now what does this have to do with sailing? Everything. It's a know fact the only thing cheaper than a Canadian is a Canadian sailor. Capt. Bill |
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On more than one occasion I have seen Canadian snowbirds anchor off a marina
then, after dark, tie up to an outside slip, hook up their electric, spend the night then depart before business hours the next morning. I guess they settled their marina bill by mail. "LaBomba182" wrote in message ... Subject: OT - Lousy Canadian tipping From: "Geoffrey W. Schultz" In a large part of the world %10 is the average tip. Now what does this have to do with sailing? Everything. It's a know fact the only thing cheaper than a Canadian is a Canadian sailor. Capt. Bill |
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On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 23:41:42 -0400, Ryk
wrote (with possible editing): On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 01:38:54 GMT, in message (Larry W4CSC) wrote: On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 00:38:04 -0700, "Evan Gatehouse" wrote: In British Columbia, Canada, where I live now, the minimum wage is $ 8/hour. That's about the same $US2.38/hour in Maryland, given the state of the Canadian dollar, isn't it?....(c; US$8 = CDN$6 at currently prevailing rates (0.7453) Ryk I think you have that backwards. It's CDN$8 = US$5.96 at Oct. 2d rates. -- Larry Email to rapp at lmr dot com |
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Capt Bill is a very rude (not) smart man that knows it all. He needs to get a
life and stop trying to be the know it all. Look at some of his other post...... Everything. It's a know fact the only thing cheaper than a Canadian is a Canadian sailor. |
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I'd say that most people who deal with cruisers can easily substitute
whatever nationality they want. Cruisers are notoriously cheap. -- Geoff (TCptn1) wrote in : Capt Bill is a very rude (not) smart man that knows it all. He needs to get a life and stop trying to be the know it all. Look at some of his other post...... Everything. It's a know fact the only thing cheaper than a Canadian is a Canadian sailor. |
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On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 07:58:16 -0400, in message
"Jerry" wrote: On more than one occasion I have seen Canadian snowbirds anchor off a marina then, after dark, tie up to an outside slip, hook up their electric, spend the night then depart before business hours the next morning. On more than one occasion I have seen US boats moor at Canadian National Park docks without paying the fees that are due. The collection is based on an honour system deposit box. I don't think either handful of anecdotes proves much. Ryk -- Unfortunately this address has been overrun by SPAM. If you want to be sure I see email from you, then please include the words "Ryk says it's OK" somewhere in your message. |
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On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 14:57:58 GMT, in message
L. M. Rappaport wrote: On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 23:41:42 -0400, Ryk wrote (with possible editing): On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 01:38:54 GMT, in message (Larry W4CSC) wrote: On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 00:38:04 -0700, "Evan Gatehouse" wrote: In British Columbia, Canada, where I live now, the minimum wage is $ 8/hour. That's about the same $US2.38/hour in Maryland, given the state of the Canadian dollar, isn't it?....(c; US$8 = CDN$6 at currently prevailing rates (0.7453) Ryk I think you have that backwards. It's CDN$8 = US$5.96 at Oct. 2d rates. Quite so. Blame the dyslexia... Ryk -- Unfortunately this address has been overrun by SPAM. If you want to be sure I see email from you, then please include the words "Ryk says it's OK" somewhere in your message. |
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From: (TCptn1) Capt Bill is a very rude (not) smart man that knows it all. He needs to get a life and stop trying to be the know it all. Look at some of his other post...... Everything. It's a know fact the only thing cheaper than a Canadian is a Canadian sailor. And tcptn1 didn't get the joke. Capt. Bill |
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From: "Geoffrey W. Schultz" I'd say that most people who deal with cruisers can easily substitute whatever nationality they want. Cruisers are notoriously cheap. You are correct sir! :-) Capt. Bill |
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You would not. It takes an IQ of over 50 to undersand.
Capt Bill is a very rude (not) smart man that knows it all. He needs to get a life and stop trying to be the know it all. Look at some of his other post...... Everything. It's a know fact the only thing cheaper than a Canadian is a Canadian sailor. And tcptn1 didn't get the joke. Capt. Bill |
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Yes, I saw that along the Trent Canal this summer, especially Georgian Bay,
Boisle Island. I was docking or anchoring there and saw many boats dock, leave their garbage, stay a few nights, and not pay nothing. It is an honor system. American boats were there also, doing the same thing. Tipping is not mandatory. When a restaurant hangs a schedule on the wall regarding tipping, that is going too far. It is something that is earned by the waiter. Should they require money for nothing or for no service, they should just join the welfare rolls. Sometimes I tip very well, sometimes not at all. More than a few times, I have had servers walking out of the restaurant after me with their hands out, asking the same question "what was wrong with my service, where is my money"?. Mostly in New York, Niagara Falls, Key West, Key Largo, Toronto, Los Angeles, all these places are "get you once, get you good" towns. The tourist towns know that your typically going to visit one time so they know they will never see you again, they try to maximize the tip from you, suckers. This is the attitude. More than a dozen times I have been driven to the airport by some van, they always have a "tips appreciated" sign in the van, and always have their hand out at the end of your journey. One time, a driver drove me home, and others were in the van, I asked what the tip should be, someone said around 15 bucks, someone said they were not tipping, I gave the guy 7 bucks, it was only a half hour drive for me, the service was 70 bucks to begin with, he threw my luggage right in the middle of my lawn. Right in front of the other passengers. So how much is enough to tip? Should be nothing. Remuneration or compensation should be part of the employers responsibility. Not the customer indirectly. These people are beggars. When I go to the barbers, I see the booths set up with their jars of small bills, obviously there so you can see it is their tip jar. Beggars. If they deserve a tip, they get one, but it is not mandatory. It is a shameful thing. I wouldn't want to be one of those beggars. Dont give me that **** that they are lower income, their income is counting on the generosity of the customer. Give your head a shake. Both the U.S. and Canada are social countries. Should they need welfare, it is there. So your paying them for their ability to find or seek a good job should you tip or not. Tips are deserving, not demanding. "Ryk" wrote in message ... On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 07:58:16 -0400, in message "Jerry" wrote: On more than one occasion I have seen Canadian snowbirds anchor off a marina then, after dark, tie up to an outside slip, hook up their electric, spend the night then depart before business hours the next morning. On more than one occasion I have seen US boats moor at Canadian National Park docks without paying the fees that are due. The collection is based on an honour system deposit box. I don't think either handful of anecdotes proves much. Ryk -- Unfortunately this address has been overrun by SPAM. If you want to be sure I see email from you, then please include the words "Ryk says it's OK" somewhere in your message. |
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On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 12:07:49 GMT, "Geoffrey W. Schultz"
wrote: In a large part of the world %10 is the average tip. Now what does this have to do with sailing? Well, if you cruise long-term, it's important to know the gratuities customs--if any--of the places you visit. A for-instance is the British Isles and in this case including Ireland. You simply don't tip the barman...it's considered insulting. You do, however, say "and one for yourself" when placing a table-ful of orders, for, say, eight pints of lager. Then you give the guy the price of nine pints of lager. And so on. R. |
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On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 16:03:15 GMT, "Geoffrey W. Schultz" wrote: I'd say that most people who deal with cruisers can easily substitute whatever nationality they want. Cruisers are notoriously cheap. Most of them have to be. Cruising is expensive, or can be, and the opportunities to make money while doing it are few, and the expenses are always more than you planned. The opportunities for cruisers to carry excess cash are limited, as well. Even in an age of plastic, most tip-earners prefer bills. Special cases, cruisers. Of course, if they don't visit because they don't feel welcome, or feel gouged, the whole economy of Bananastan suffers. R. |
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What happens if you order just four pints? Is their a rule of thumb how much
one can order without feeling like he should? The whole tipping thing is way to confusing. I think they should just pay everyone a decent wage and forget tipping and if your service sucks you get fired just like any other job. I never even know who to tip anymore. Do you tip the guy that works at the marina that grabs your lines for you when you come in? How about the guy that pumps your fuel? Do you tip the girl at the drive in Sonic burger joint that rollerskates out with your food even though you have no choice to go in and get it yourself? We get the best service from Smithfields Chicken N' BBQ and they don't get tipped by anyone and they are always happy. Go figure!! When I was a teenager, I went to a chinese food restaraunt with a bunch of people and in the end I got stuck with the whole bill. I paid it in cash and had very little for a tip but left what I had and was going to an ATM to get more and go back. I had some chinese dude come out in the parking lot with a carving knife screaming What the matter!!!!Food no good??? Lousy tip!!!!!!! I will never forget that night, you would think one of the cheap asses I was with would throw a few bucks in. Needless to say I never went out with them again. Phil wrote in message ... On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 12:07:49 GMT, "Geoffrey W. Schultz" wrote: In a large part of the world %10 is the average tip. Now what does this have to do with sailing? Well, if you cruise long-term, it's important to know the gratuities customs--if any--of the places you visit. A for-instance is the British Isles and in this case including Ireland. You simply don't tip the barman...it's considered insulting. You do, however, say "and one for yourself" when placing a table-ful of orders, for, say, eight pints of lager. Then you give the guy the price of nine pints of lager. And so on. R. |
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What areyou blathering about?
I am Canadian......and a sailor. I tip at least 15% and often 20% I even tip the counter clerk at my local Tim Horton's when I go for a coffee & donut. The minimum wage here has just risen to $ 5.85 CDN per hr. LaBomba182 wrote in message ... Subject: OT - Lousy Canadian tipping Everything. It's a know fact the only thing cheaper than a Canadian is a Canadian sailor. Capt. Bill |
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x-no-archive:yes "Phil" wrote:
What happens if you order just four pints? Is their a rule of thumb how much one can order without feeling like he should? The whole tipping thing is way to confusing. I think they should just pay everyone a decent wage and forget tipping and if your service sucks you get fired just like any other job. I never even know who to tip anymore. Yes it is confusing - that's why you need to know. In the States it's usually 15% for waiters unless it's a buffet, in which case we usually leave less. If the wait person has done a significantly wonderful job, or if we've got little people who have spread cracker crumbs all over the floor or something, we might up it to 20%. Bob's method is to take the MD state tax (5%) and multiply by 3 and then round up to a whole number (or down in the service was bad) - that way you don't tip on the tax. Of course it doesn't work if the tax isn't 5%. Do you tip the guy that works at the marina that grabs your lines for you when you come in? We do if he or she does more than just grab the lines. If he has to wrestle the boat into the slip against wind and current (as we have a full keel), or if he's out there in the freezing rain, then yes. If he drops the lines or doesn't catch them and doesn't know how to tie a knot then no. How about the guy that pumps your fuel? No. And I don't tip the guys at the full service fuel pump at a gas station either. Do you tip the girl at the drive in Sonic burger joint that rollerskates out with your food even though you have no choice to go in and get it yourself? I don't know - we don't have those places, but probably we would - you don't have the choice in a regular restaurant either do you? One of my kids worked as a breakfast waitress and two were pizza delivery people so I know how hard those jobs are. I don't tip the fast food places where you drive up to the window or where you go to the counter to get your food. We get the best service from Smithfields Chicken N' BBQ and they don't get tipped by anyone and they are always happy. Go figure!! When I was a teenager, I went to a chinese food restaraunt with a bunch of people and in the end I got stuck with the whole bill. I paid it in cash and had very little for a tip but left what I had and was going to an ATM to get more and go back. I had some chinese dude come out in the parking lot with a carving knife screaming What the matter!!!!Food no good??? Lousy tip!!!!!!! I will never forget that night, you would think one of the cheap asses I was with would throw a few bucks in. Needless to say I never went out with them again. Phil wrote in message .. . On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 12:07:49 GMT, "Geoffrey W. Schultz" wrote: In a large part of the world %10 is the average tip. Now what does this have to do with sailing? Well, if you cruise long-term, it's important to know the gratuities customs--if any--of the places you visit. A for-instance is the British Isles and in this case including Ireland. You simply don't tip the barman...it's considered insulting. You do, however, say "and one for yourself" when placing a table-ful of orders, for, say, eight pints of lager. Then you give the guy the price of nine pints of lager. And so on. R. grandma Rosalie |
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Tipping customs help???
I'm about to go to Scotland for a funeral. I'm wondering what the norm is there. I'll be in the highlands, arrive via Glasgow. I don't know how much eating out, or other sort of services I'll use (staying at a family home with only perhaps one hotel night), but this thread has me wondering who I'd offend with my normal generous tipping (several of Lydia's family are in the hospitality biz so I have a better perspective than most of what they go through and how little they make, even in an alcohol establishment). I'll be taking a shuttle to the rental car and back to the airport, for example, and may be forced into skycap service (don't know how it works over there), when I'd ordinarily take them to the counter myself, that kind of thing. Anyone know?? L8R Skip (and Lydia), gone for a couple weeks Wednesday |
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I have seen "little people" trash a restaraunt and mom and pop leave a buck
tip when they should leave a fifty. Restaraunts are easy and I always leave 15%+. My confusion isn't a restaraunt or the pizza delivery person. What is considered normal job duties and what isn't. At a marina, is it the dockhands job to help you in a slip when you call in? They say someone will meet you at the slip and help you with the lines. Is that considered his regular job and is part of the $2 a foot? Whether your boat is heavy or not? I don't usually need help but they always send someone anyway and the guys stands there waiting for something to pull on. "Rosalie B." wrote in message ... x-no-archive:yes "Phil" wrote: What happens if you order just four pints? Is their a rule of thumb how much one can order without feeling like he should? The whole tipping thing is way to confusing. I think they should just pay everyone a decent wage and forget tipping and if your service sucks you get fired just like any other job. I never even know who to tip anymore. Yes it is confusing - that's why you need to know. In the States it's usually 15% for waiters unless it's a buffet, in which case we usually leave less. If the wait person has done a significantly wonderful job, or if we've got little people who have spread cracker crumbs all over the floor or something, we might up it to 20%. Bob's method is to take the MD state tax (5%) and multiply by 3 and then round up to a whole number (or down in the service was bad) - that way you don't tip on the tax. Of course it doesn't work if the tax isn't 5%. Do you tip the guy that works at the marina that grabs your lines for you when you come in? We do if he or she does more than just grab the lines. If he has to wrestle the boat into the slip against wind and current (as we have a full keel), or if he's out there in the freezing rain, then yes. If he drops the lines or doesn't catch them and doesn't know how to tie a knot then no. |
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You've heard about 'Thrifty Scotsmen'. I'm sure the service people would be
very pleased with your 'normal generous tipping'. Skip Gundlach wrote in message nk.net... Tipping customs help??? I'm about to go to Scotland for a funeral. I'm wondering what the norm is there. I'll be in the highlands, arrive via Glasgow. I don't know how much eating out, or other sort of services I'll use (staying at a family home with only perhaps one hotel night), but this thread has me wondering who I'd offend with my normal generous tipping (several of Lydia's family are in the hospitality biz so I have a better perspective than most of what they go through and how little they make, even in an alcohol establishment). I'll be taking a shuttle to the rental car and back to the airport, for example, and may be forced into skycap service (don't know how it works over there), when I'd ordinarily take them to the counter myself, that kind of thing. Anyone know?? L8R Skip (and Lydia), gone for a couple weeks Wednesday |
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"Phil" wrote: I have seen "little people" trash a restaraunt and mom and pop leave a buck tip when they should leave a fifty. Restaraunts are easy and I always leave 15%+. My confusion isn't a restaraunt or the pizza delivery person. What is considered normal job duties and what isn't. At a marina, is it the dockhands job to help you in a slip when you call in? They say someone will meet you at the slip and help you with the lines. Is that considered his regular job and is part of the $2 a foot? Whether your boat is heavy or not? I don't usually need help but they always send someone anyway and the guys stands there waiting for something to pull on. Well at our regular marina we don't get people helping with the dock lines, and the marina sometimes doesn't send anyone to help with the dock lines of transients even if you ask, so there's no problem with tipping. If we are going into a strange marina we usually DO need help. I don't jump, don't throw lines very well, and while I suppose I could handle the helm, I am scared to do it because our boat is big and heavy and could easily trash or sink any boat that we ran into, including some very pricey ones. And I don't want to do that. Some dockmasters have very strange ideas about what we can and can't do with our boat, which is 37,000 lbs, and has a modified full keel (so is susceptible to current and does not turn easily), significant windage and only has a 65 hp engine (at best). We've had them tell us to turn across a significant current and come in with the other side of the boat to the dock - forgetting to tell us that there WAS current. And then in a trice we are being carried helplessly down the fairway sideways. Sadists. Or the face dock where they motioned us to come into a small space between two other boats with the wind blowing toward the docks at 25 knots. If Bob had miscalculated it would have been bad. As it was the boat slammed into the dock so hard (with the engine in neutral after he lined us up) that one of our fenders was permanently deflated. Some marinas do NOT send people out to help and expect you to get into the slip by yourself. Two that I remember particularly were Lighthouse Marina just north of Ft. Lauderdale and Marathon Marina. And some will send help only if you are pretty positive that you do indeed need help, and then only if they feel like it. Some marinas are really good about helping, and those are often the ones where help is REALLY needed, mostly because of current. And some are not good about it and in addition have unnecessary obstacles set up to entrap the unwary. Like there's a marina which shall remain nameless where the marina manager keeps his boat at the gas dock so that the slightest miscalculation and we'd mash his boat. When he could keep it just a few feet down the dock where it wouldn't be in danger. "Rosalie B." wrote in message .. . x-no-archive:yes "Phil" wrote: What happens if you order just four pints? Is their a rule of thumb how much one can order without feeling like he should? The whole tipping thing is way to confusing. I think they should just pay everyone a decent wage and forget tipping and if your service sucks you get fired just like any other job. I never even know who to tip anymore. Yes it is confusing - that's why you need to know. In the States it's usually 15% for waiters unless it's a buffet, in which case we usually leave less. If the wait person has done a significantly wonderful job, or if we've got little people who have spread cracker crumbs all over the floor or something, we might up it to 20%. Bob's method is to take the MD state tax (5%) and multiply by 3 and then round up to a whole number (or down in the service was bad) - that way you don't tip on the tax. Of course it doesn't work if the tax isn't 5%. Do you tip the guy that works at the marina that grabs your lines for you when you come in? We do if he or she does more than just grab the lines. If he has to wrestle the boat into the slip against wind and current (as we have a full keel), or if he's out there in the freezing rain, then yes. If he drops the lines or doesn't catch them and doesn't know how to tie a knot then no. grandma Rosalie |
International/foreign customs (was) OT - Lousy Canadian tipping
x-no-archive:yes "Skip Gundlach" wrote:
Tipping customs help??? I'm about to go to Scotland for a funeral. I'm wondering what the norm is there. I think at a restaurant 10% is usual. I'll be in the highlands, arrive via Glasgow. I don't know how much eating out, or other sort of services I'll use (staying at a family home with only perhaps one hotel night), but this thread has me wondering who I'd offend with my normal generous tipping (several of Lydia's family are in the hospitality biz so I have a better perspective than most of what they go through and how little they make, even in an alcohol establishment). I'll be taking a shuttle to the rental car and back to the airport, for example, and may be forced into skycap service (don't know how it works over there), when I'd ordinarily take them to the counter myself, that kind of thing. Anyone know?? L8R Skip (and Lydia), gone for a couple weeks Wednesday grandma Rosalie |
International/foreign customs (was) OT - Lousy Canadian tipping
"Skip Gundlach" wrote in message ink.net...
Tipping customs help??? I'm about to go to Scotland for a funeral. I'm wondering what the norm is there. I'll be in the highlands, arrive via Glasgow. I don't know how much eating out, or other sort of services I'll use (staying at a family home with only perhaps one hotel night), but this thread has me wondering who I'd offend with my normal generous tipping (several of Lydia's family are in the hospitality biz so I have a better perspective than most of what they go through and how little they make, even in an alcohol establishment). I'll be taking a shuttle to the rental car and back to the airport, for example, and may be forced into skycap service (don't know how it works over there), when I'd ordinarily take them to the counter myself, that kind of thing. Anyone know?? L8R Skip (and Lydia), gone for a couple weeks Wednesday In Scotland, tips are viewed as a reward for good service, unlike in the US where tipping seems to be mandatory. You would typically tip in a restaurant, hotel or taxi, but that's about it - anything else might be embarrassing to the recipient (though gratefully received no doubt). In a bar '..and one for yourself..' might be a useful way to ensure prompt service in a busy establishment, but it isn't the norm for small rounds. Alisdair |
International/foreign customs (was) OT - Lousy Canadian tipping
In general (all generalizations are false), Brits tip less than we do
and in fewer places. There also tend to be service charges applied automatically more often, in which case there's no need for a tip. So, while you certainly won't offend with USA style tipping, you can think of 10-15% instead of 15-20%. I wouldn't tip the shuttle driver at all, unless you have heavy luggage and he/she helps -- then a pound coin will be received with a big smile. I've never seen a Skycap there, although I'm sure they exist. Four wheel carts are everywhere, usually free. In pubs with a group the custom is to buy a round for the whole group, so unless you like to drink a lot, buy your round early. Jim Woodward for our British adventure, see www.mvFintry.com "Skip Gundlach" wrote in message ink.net... Tipping customs help??? I'm about to go to Scotland for a funeral. I'm wondering what the norm is there. I'll be in the highlands, arrive via Glasgow. I don't know how much eating out, or other sort of services I'll use (staying at a family home with only perhaps one hotel night), but this thread has me wondering who I'd offend with my normal generous tipping (several of Lydia's family are in the hospitality biz so I have a better perspective than most of what they go through and how little they make, even in an alcohol establishment). I'll be taking a shuttle to the rental car and back to the airport, for example, and may be forced into skycap service (don't know how it works over there), when I'd ordinarily take them to the counter myself, that kind of thing. Anyone know?? L8R Skip (and Lydia), gone for a couple weeks Wednesday |
International/foreign customs (was) OT - Lousy Canadian tipping
"Don White" wrote in message
... You've heard about 'Thrifty Scotsmen'. I'm sure the service people would be very pleased with your 'normal generous tipping'. :{)) I'm torn on the matter. On the one hand, you have third world experiences, where even an outrageously generous tip (say, the amount of the bill, but perhaps equal to a day's wages) is a totally insignificant amount to USofAmericans, and on the other, agonizing over how much to leave (trying to do the 'right' thing). I'm reminded of the Vegas experiences of celebrities routinely adding $500 or some such totally unrelated-to-bill-or-service amount. It's something which is basically meaningless to them, but incredibly meaningful to the recipient. In my case, even though I'm long-term unemployed, I tend toward generosity on a percentage scale. The difference between that and parsimony is relatively insignificant in dollar terms, so I'd rather make someone happy (and maybe they'd remember me the next time, too!) for its minimal impact on my life. Just me, of course - and long-timers here already know I'm weird :{)) L8R Skip |
OT - Lousy Canadian tipping
Subject: OT - Lousy Canadian tipping
From: "Don White" What areyou blathering about? I am Canadian......and a sailor. I tip at least 15% and often 20% I even tip the counter clerk at my local Tim Horton's when I go for a coffee & donut. The minimum wage here has just risen to $ 5.85 CDN per hr. It's was joke son, a joke! Capt. Bill |
International/foreign customs (was) OT - Lousy Canadian tipping
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"Skip Gundlach" wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... You've heard about 'Thrifty Scotsmen'. I'm sure the service people would be very pleased with your 'normal generous tipping'. :{)) I'm torn on the matter. On the one hand, you have third world experiences, where even an outrageously generous tip (say, the amount of the bill, but perhaps equal to a day's wages) is a totally insignificant amount to USofAmericans, and on the other, agonizing over how much to leave (trying to do the 'right' thing). I'm reminded of the Vegas experiences of celebrities routinely adding $500 or some such totally unrelated-to-bill-or-service amount. It's something which is basically meaningless to them, but incredibly meaningful to the recipient. In my case, even though I'm long-term unemployed, I tend toward generosity on a percentage scale. The difference between that and parsimony is relatively insignificant in dollar terms, so I'd rather make someone happy (and maybe they'd remember me the next time, too!) for its minimal impact on my life. Just me, of course - and long-timers here already know I'm weird :{)) It is very often the case in the UK that a non-optional gratuity is added to the bill. Check first before you tip. It's all very well to be generous, but don't tip 15% on top of a 10% added gratuity, especially if including the 10% in the total that you are taking the 15% of. In addition with the current situation with regard to $ to £ exchange rate, a tip of a £ ISN'T really insignificant. And stuff can be very much more expensive to begin with. In London for 4 days we spent an average of $99/day for the two of us not including the hotel ($103/ or £65 night which included breakfast), and being very careful to go to mostly free things and get the best possible bang for the buck in transportation (no taxis). London Meals $155.06 £12.95 to 18 for two including one dinner at McDonalds when we were in a hurry to get to the theatre. Transport $90.24 tube/bus, and one boat trip from Greenwich back to London. Admissions/souveniers $152.68 Big Bus, Mikado &program, London Eye, rubbing grandma Rosalie http://www12.virtualtourist.com/m/4a9c6/ |
OT - Lousy Canadian tipping
Phil wrote:
What is considered normal job duties and what isn't. At a marina, is it the dockhands job to help you in a slip when you call in? ... Dunno about that, but we found our boat, and those near it, in their slips unharmed after Isabel. Seems the dock hand had gone out on the piers while they were a foot and more under water to loosen then retighten lines to make sure "his" boats neither swamped nor banged around. I gave him $100 cuz that's all I had - too little in my estimation. |
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