Capt. JG wrote:
Obviously, I don't know better than anyone else what actually happened.

Me too........

However, my guess is that they were on deck trying to get control of the
situation (as most of us would try to do), got hit by a big wave/high gust
combination, and went over the side either because they didn't use a harness
or the harness broke.

Swept clean.

Counter intuitive though it might have been, they were
safer below, hove to as best as they could manage.

And if flipped, still floating it no communication with the sea.


I also don't understand why they didn't activate their EPIRB. There's no
requirement that the boat be sinking to do so.

One crew inside. Why? maybe resting. maybe too sick to be on deck,
maybe navigator/radio. Flipped, hit head. Noody on deck any more and
only one left not able inside. Personally I like to establish a radio
check-in on the hour. Gives the USCG kid somthing to do and log. No
contact, sooner to start the search. Every minuet counts when there is
only :45 on the exposure clock. But who knows.

I'm betting we'll never know with certainty what happened.

Dead men tell no tales.


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"Bob" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:
Obviously, I don't know better than anyone else what actually happened.

Me too........

However, my guess is that they were on deck trying to get control of the
situation (as most of us would try to do), got hit by a big wave/high
gust
combination, and went over the side either because they didn't use a
harness
or the harness broke.

Swept clean.

Counter intuitive though it might have been, they were
safer below, hove to as best as they could manage.

And if flipped, still floating it no communication with the sea.


I also don't understand why they didn't activate their EPIRB. There's no
requirement that the boat be sinking to do so.

One crew inside. Why? maybe resting. maybe too sick to be on deck,
maybe navigator/radio. Flipped, hit head. Noody on deck any more and
only one left not able inside. Personally I like to establish a radio
check-in on the hour. Gives the USCG kid somthing to do and log. No
contact, sooner to start the search. Every minuet counts when there is
only :45 on the exposure clock. But who knows.

I'm betting we'll never know with certainty what happened.

Dead men tell no tales.


ganz @@
www.sailnow.com



A harness isn't necessarily dependent upon having a rig that standing,
although you have a good possibility of being killed by a falling rig, one
that's sweeping the boat as it goes.

Are you saying one crew was inside? That hasn't been published as far as I
know. Still, having it in a closed locker with the situation clearly
deteriorating wouldn't be right either. It should be handy. I do agree that
being in communication is a very, very good idea... if possible of course.

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message ...
"Bob" wrote in message ups.com...

Capt. JG wrote:
Obviously, I don't know better than anyone else what actually happened.

Me too........

However, my guess is that they were on deck trying to get control of the
situation (as most of us would try to do), got hit by a big wave/high gust
combination, and went over the side either because they didn't use a harness
or the harness broke.

Swept clean.

Counter intuitive though it might have been, they were
safer below, hove to as best as they could manage.

And if flipped, still floating it no communication with the sea.


I also don't understand why they didn't activate their EPIRB. There's no
requirement that the boat be sinking to do so.

One crew inside. Why? maybe resting. maybe too sick to be on deck,
maybe navigator/radio. Flipped, hit head. Noody on deck any more and
only one left not able inside. Personally I like to establish a radio
check-in on the hour. Gives the USCG kid somthing to do and log. No
contact, sooner to start the search. Every minuet counts when there is
only :45 on the exposure clock. But who knows.

I'm betting we'll never know with certainty what happened.

Dead men tell no tales.


ganz @@
www.sailnow.com



A harness isn't necessarily dependent upon having a rig that standing, although you have a good possibility of being killed by a
falling rig, one that's sweeping the boat as it goes.

Are you saying one crew was inside? That hasn't been published as far as I know. Still, having it in a closed locker with the
situation clearly deteriorating wouldn't be right either. It should be handy. I do agree that being in communication is a very,
very good idea... if possible of course.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com


I don't get it either about the erb being secured in a locker. If I thought
things were getting bad, I would be holding that erb with my teeth if I had too.

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SeeYaa Harbin Osteen KG6URO

When American Citizens with dual citizenship pledges allegiance
to the flag, to which flag do they pledge allegiance too?

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"Harbin Osteen" wrote in message
...

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
"Bob" wrote in message
ups.com...

Capt. JG wrote:
Obviously, I don't know better than anyone else what actually happened.

Me too........

However, my guess is that they were on deck trying to get control of
the
situation (as most of us would try to do), got hit by a big wave/high
gust
combination, and went over the side either because they didn't use a
harness
or the harness broke.

Swept clean.

Counter intuitive though it might have been, they were
safer below, hove to as best as they could manage.

And if flipped, still floating it no communication with the sea.


I also don't understand why they didn't activate their EPIRB. There's
no
requirement that the boat be sinking to do so.

One crew inside. Why? maybe resting. maybe too sick to be on deck,
maybe navigator/radio. Flipped, hit head. Noody on deck any more and
only one left not able inside. Personally I like to establish a radio
check-in on the hour. Gives the USCG kid somthing to do and log. No
contact, sooner to start the search. Every minuet counts when there is
only :45 on the exposure clock. But who knows.

I'm betting we'll never know with certainty what happened.

Dead men tell no tales.


ganz @@
www.sailnow.com



A harness isn't necessarily dependent upon having a rig that standing,
although you have a good possibility of being killed by a falling rig,
one that's sweeping the boat as it goes.

Are you saying one crew was inside? That hasn't been published as far as
I know. Still, having it in a closed locker with the situation clearly
deteriorating wouldn't be right either. It should be handy. I do agree
that being in communication is a very, very good idea... if possible of
course.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com


I don't get it either about the erb being secured in a locker. If I
thought
things were getting bad, I would be holding that erb with my teeth if I
had too.

--

SeeYaa Harbin Osteen KG6URO

When American Citizens with dual citizenship pledges allegiance
to the flag, to which flag do they pledge allegiance too?


Yep... I'd have it on me at that point...


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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 06:48:39 -0800, Harbin Osteen wrote:

I don't get it either about the erb being secured in a locker. If I
thought things were getting bad, I would be holding that erb with my
teeth if I had too.

They might not have thought things were that bad, until suddenly they were
capsized.

Matt O.

"Matt O'Toole" wrote in message
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On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 06:48:39 -0800, Harbin Osteen wrote:

I don't get it either about the erb being secured in a locker. If I
thought things were getting bad, I would be holding that erb with my
teeth if I had too.

They might not have thought things were that bad, until suddenly they were
capsized.

Matt O.


Maybe, but I kind of doubt it... it was pretty extreme conditions... well, I
guess we may never know.

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