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Roger Long December 9th 06 09:08 PM

Boat for single hander
 
NE Sailboat wrote:
Roger ,, ,, on the single handed sailing ..

According to the folks on the singlehanded_sailing group for yahoo
... it is against the maritime laws because a watch must be maintained at
all times.


I have never slept underway singlehanded and have no ambition to do the kind
of sailing where it would be necessary. It really does seem to me to be an
unecessary risk. If I'm going to be out that long, I would really prefer
company, even if all they can do is steer a course and call me if they see a
light.


Now I'm off the hook ( get it ). I can stay in port ...


That sounds like a good idea if sailing seems like as much work and is the
source of as much frustration and anxiety as seeps between the lines of your
posts. Is your boat still for sale? It looked like a nice one.

and bother people.


That's never a good idea.



NE Sailboat December 9th 06 09:43 PM

Boat for single hander
 
She is not for sale ... but for you ??

Roger ,, test the market .. always test the market. How else to know what
you have.

Roger ,, one of the great appeals about sailing is the challenge.
Challenge.

Sure ,, there are times that things aren't going right, that the nerves are
frayed. But ,, that is why I like to sail.

Heck, if everything worked I would be as bored as I am driving my car.

As far as my boat goes ... this spring she is getting some attention. She
will be beautiful come May. I shower her with affection.

Then, it is off to Cape Cod ... Boston ... back to NH ........ then goin
down east .. heading for Blue Hill Bay.

Ya gotta have a plan...

=======================

PS.. hopefully I won't be going alone. Although I broke up with Paris, her
friend Britney has asked to crew.

============



"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
NE Sailboat wrote:
Roger ,, ,, on the single handed sailing ..

According to the folks on the singlehanded_sailing group for yahoo
... it is against the maritime laws because a watch must be maintained at
all times.


I have never slept underway singlehanded and have no ambition to do the
kind of sailing where it would be necessary. It really does seem to me to
be an unecessary risk. If I'm going to be out that long, I would really
prefer company, even if all they can do is steer a course and call me if
they see a light.


Now I'm off the hook ( get it ). I can stay in port ...


That sounds like a good idea if sailing seems like as much work and is the
source of as much frustration and anxiety as seeps between the lines of
your posts. Is your boat still for sale? It looked like a nice one.

and bother people.


That's never a good idea.





Roger Long December 9th 06 10:46 PM

Boat for single hander
 
Good plan.

I'm sure you'll be surprised how much easier it is next year. I went back
to sailing after 15 years away. It came back fairly quickly but I still
wasn't completely comfortable by the end of the first summer. The first day
of the next (this last) summer, I was a good half summer ahead on the
relearning curve. The brain spends the winter processing all those memories
and lessons from the summer before.

--
Roger Long


JohnM December 10th 06 01:27 AM

Boat for single hander
 
Thanks for all your helpful info guys. I appreciate it very much. If all
goes well I should be in Florida around Feb with a shopping list .



[email protected] December 10th 06 01:39 AM

Boat for single hander
 
NE Sailboat wrote:
... singlehanded sailing ... is
against the maritime laws because a watch must be maintained at all times. ...


I was told by a CG testing officer that for the purposes of logging
Merchant Marine hours they felt it was breaking the law to stand watch
more than 12 hours in every 24. So, I'd guess you're pretty safe
legally (in the USA) if your single handed voyages last 12 hours or
less. In practice I know a lot of folks who sail all over the world,
check in and out of countries and even log into national radio watches
without getting into any kind of legal trouble.

-- Tom.


Cap'n Ric December 10th 06 04:24 AM

Boat for single hander
 
I have a 2003 Beneteau 473 2 cabin and I single hand the boat all the time.
With or without non-sailing passengers. If the boat is rigged for single
handed sailing 47 feet is not difficult to hande.

I'm a liveaboard with a dog so a Beneteau 35 would be cutting it close as
far as space goes. I'd look at the Beneteau 393 before I bought the
Beneteau 35. It is only a couple of feet longer and has a much kinder
interior design for staying on board for long periods of time.

Cap'n Ric
S/V Sezaneh



Cap'n Ric December 10th 06 04:42 AM

Boat for single hander
 
I was sailing once when a 200 foot rogue wave hit me broadside. Rolled the
boat, tore down all the rigging and killed me instantly. They never found
the boat or the body.

I'm still trying to get the insurance company to settle.

Cap'n Ric


"NE Sailboat" wrote in message
news:YSpeh.1310$Z67.52@trndny02...
"I got involved in 40 foot waves with a 27 feet sailboat. ..."

I don't believe this for one moment. 40' waves? And you were in a 27'
boat?

Total nonsense.

================================================== =========

If you are to post, at least post something rational

================================================== ====



wrote in message
...
Some of the older single handle great sailor like Moitessier, Hasler,
James and many others appear to have made good with average size
sailboat.
Moitessier suggested that the ideal length for around the world voyaging
is around 32 to 34 feet.
He claims that it has better control in heavy weather sailing.
Although these suggestions were made with the traditional sailboat design
from 1960 to 1980 it gives me food for though.
I got involved in 40 foot waves with a 27 feet sailboat. One of the
raison I think I made it is because the boat and I were like a single
cork going up and down the waves. I do not know if I would have been
able to make it with a boat in the 40 foot range?

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
"NE Sailboat" wrote in message
news:gXneh.61$Li6.56@trndny03...
Roger ,, I don't think the poster is talking about a day sail. I also
disagree completely with your opinion. Single hand sailing is hard
work, dangerous, lonely, etc. Just leaving whatever mooring, dock you
might be attached to is tough. Unless you have more than two arms?

I think you're right that leaving and returning are the hardest...
that's very much dependent on the conditions and also the size of the
boat (bigger typically is harder).

I disagree that it's that much harder, especially when you're relieved
of the people underfoot when trying to do something. It's certainly not
lonely. It can be dangerous, but that's dependent upon how you treat it.

Then, once released, the project of putting up the main, getting
everything together ,, et all.

Ummm... autohelm?

And the big issue is the helm! Unless you are the first person on
earth who can be in two places at once. Someone, must steer.

I get very frustrated. One minute I'm pulling on a sheet, next I'm
back resetting the helm

Invest in an autohelm. I have a remote for mine. I can be on the bow and
drive.

After everything is done, and a course is set, with a steady wind, then
things aren't so bad. But :::: the helm! That rotten helm.

If my boat had a windvane, and the windvane worked, then I suppose I
would be able to take a rest.

At the end of the day .... the docking, mooring. I hate this. I end
up anchoring out most of the time because there is no one to help with
dock lines, etc.

Takes practice/is never perfect/is highly dependent on adverse
conditions.

The one area I agree with you on is the self confidence factor. There
is a certain feeling of "I can do it" when you are the only one doing
it.

Also,, when I screw up ............. there isn't someone sitting in
the cockpit screaming at me.

I also end up preparing for most trips ahead ... Always knowing I
need more room because I am the only one on board.

I'd rather have a crewmate. Someone to help out.

I'd rather have a competent crewmate. Incompetents make things worse
than single handing.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com










Tom Lightbody December 10th 06 09:39 AM

Boat for single hander
 
JohnM wrote:

...single handed cruising...


look first to your self-steering device
the boat should be pointed at both ends
then look at your strength: no sail bigger than
500ft^2 (uffa fox)

tom

NE Sailboat December 10th 06 01:03 PM

Boat for single hander
 
Oh ya ... well knock this hurricane off my shoulder... I dare ya!



=======================
"Cap'n Ric" wrote in message
news:kfMeh.826$Li6.498@trndny03...
I was sailing once when a 200 foot rogue wave hit me broadside. Rolled the
boat, tore down all the rigging and killed me instantly. They never found
the boat or the body.

I'm still trying to get the insurance company to settle.

Cap'n Ric


"NE Sailboat" wrote in message
news:YSpeh.1310$Z67.52@trndny02...
"I got involved in 40 foot waves with a 27 feet sailboat. ..."

I don't believe this for one moment. 40' waves? And you were in a 27'
boat?

Total nonsense.

================================================== =========

If you are to post, at least post something rational

================================================== ====



wrote in message
...
Some of the older single handle great sailor like Moitessier, Hasler,
James and many others appear to have made good with average size
sailboat.
Moitessier suggested that the ideal length for around the world voyaging
is around 32 to 34 feet.
He claims that it has better control in heavy weather sailing.
Although these suggestions were made with the traditional sailboat
design from 1960 to 1980 it gives me food for though.
I got involved in 40 foot waves with a 27 feet sailboat. One of the
raison I think I made it is because the boat and I were like a single
cork going up and down the waves. I do not know if I would have been
able to make it with a boat in the 40 foot range?

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
"NE Sailboat" wrote in message
news:gXneh.61$Li6.56@trndny03...
Roger ,, I don't think the poster is talking about a day sail. I also
disagree completely with your opinion. Single hand sailing is hard
work, dangerous, lonely, etc. Just leaving whatever mooring, dock you
might be attached to is tough. Unless you have more than two arms?

I think you're right that leaving and returning are the hardest...
that's very much dependent on the conditions and also the size of the
boat (bigger typically is harder).

I disagree that it's that much harder, especially when you're relieved
of the people underfoot when trying to do something. It's certainly not
lonely. It can be dangerous, but that's dependent upon how you treat
it.

Then, once released, the project of putting up the main, getting
everything together ,, et all.

Ummm... autohelm?

And the big issue is the helm! Unless you are the first person on
earth who can be in two places at once. Someone, must steer.

I get very frustrated. One minute I'm pulling on a sheet, next I'm
back resetting the helm

Invest in an autohelm. I have a remote for mine. I can be on the bow
and drive.

After everything is done, and a course is set, with a steady wind,
then things aren't so bad. But :::: the helm! That rotten helm.

If my boat had a windvane, and the windvane worked, then I suppose I
would be able to take a rest.

At the end of the day .... the docking, mooring. I hate this. I end
up anchoring out most of the time because there is no one to help with
dock lines, etc.

Takes practice/is never perfect/is highly dependent on adverse
conditions.

The one area I agree with you on is the self confidence factor. There
is a certain feeling of "I can do it" when you are the only one doing
it.

Also,, when I screw up ............. there isn't someone sitting in
the cockpit screaming at me.

I also end up preparing for most trips ahead ... Always knowing I
need more room because I am the only one on board.

I'd rather have a crewmate. Someone to help out.

I'd rather have a competent crewmate. Incompetents make things worse
than single handing.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com












NE Sailboat December 10th 06 01:10 PM

Boat for single hander
 
Tom ,, after all the posts here and the usual fun arguing ( Roger and Me )
,, I got to working on my single hand sailing whatevers.

So far .. get some lines with set up for docking by myself. And I am
searching for some method of self steering. I've looked at all the usual
suspects. Monitor, Aries, etc. I also ordered and read John Lechers book
about the subject. The sheet to tiller setup. I did this last summer a
little but I will give it another go this summer.

The windvane system is more tricky. For a boat my size, 32', weight becomes
an issue. I don't want to have hundreds of LBS sitting on my stern. Heck,
my stern isn't that big.

Since I have a tiller .. that is a good thing ...... I can set up a very
simple system with a pendulum. Run lines through blocks to the tiller.

The question becomes ???????? what system.

Working on that one.

==============

ps.. I won't use an electric self steerer. Don't have the power and I hate
the whole thought of them. Gotta go narural.

--
"Tom Lightbody" wrote in message
...
JohnM wrote:

...single handed cruising...


look first to your self-steering device
the boat should be pointed at both ends
then look at your strength: no sail bigger than
500ft^2 (uffa fox)

tom





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