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AMPowers December 5th 06 07:52 AM

Rough estimates of miles per day sailing...
 
Hey all,

Can anyone provide a link to references regarding reasonable mileage
made good for a given 24 hour period of sailing. I've heard estimates
ranging from 50 to 100 nautical miles per twenty four hour period for
monohulls and 75 to 150 nautical miles per twenty four hour period for
catamarans. This is assuming "delivery" style sailing, no stopping for
pleasure, etc. It also presumes that the winds are relatively
favorable, not beating upwind.

Any opinions, experience or actual data would be greatly appreciated.

Wayne.B December 5th 06 08:23 AM

Rough estimates of miles per day sailing...
 
On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 07:52:52 GMT, AMPowers
wrote:

Any opinions, experience or actual data would be greatly appreciated.


How much experience do you have with the boat? What is your typical
"off the wind" speed? Is your crew good enough to sail it well 24
hours a day?

There are way to many variables to give you an accurate estimate.
Your range of 75 to 150 NM per day sounds like it should be in the
ball park but in the end it will all depend on conditions.

I have done 200 mile days in a monohull but that is the exception not
the rule, and that was in a fully crewed and equipped 50 ft racing
sloop.

AMPowers December 5th 06 10:01 AM

Rough estimates of miles per day sailing...
 
Wayne.B wrote:

How much experience do you have with the boat? What is your typical
"off the wind" speed? Is your crew good enough to sail it well 24
hours a day?


It is a relatively new boat for us (owned it less than a year) and our
first catamaran. During our last cruise (over 500 miles) we averaged
about 125 nautical miles a day, but that was with an inexperienced crew
and we were beating to weather. I'd like to believe we should do better
this trip as we are running with the wind for a majority of it and the
crew will consist of several more seasoned sailors - but we also tend to
sail conservatively (always reef the main at night, don't push the boat
or crew, don't allow it to be overpowered, etc.)

Mostly I'd like to get some sense of what others expect/anticipate when
planning their voyages to verify that mine estimates are reasonable.

Geoff Schultz December 5th 06 02:23 PM

Rough estimates of miles per day sailing...
 
I use 5 kts as my estimate and am happy when I do 6-7+. The later rate
isn't a problem unless it gets you to an unknown destination during the
night. So, I'd plan on 120-150 miles a day.

-- Geoff


AMPowers wrote in news:oz9dh.26096$wP1.8415
@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net:

Hey all,

Can anyone provide a link to references regarding reasonable mileage
made good for a given 24 hour period of sailing. I've heard estimates
ranging from 50 to 100 nautical miles per twenty four hour period for
monohulls and 75 to 150 nautical miles per twenty four hour period for
catamarans. This is assuming "delivery" style sailing, no stopping for
pleasure, etc. It also presumes that the winds are relatively
favorable, not beating upwind.

Any opinions, experience or actual data would be greatly appreciated.



[email protected] December 5th 06 04:38 PM

Rough estimates of miles per day sailing...
 
....
Can anyone provide a link to references regarding reasonable mileage
made good for a given 24 hour period of sailing. ...


http://www.pangolin.co.nz/yotreps/reporter_list.php has a list of boats
actually making passages and the same list is kept historically. There
are programs you can download onto your PC that have rudimentary
mapping as well. You will need roll your own statistics. Keep in mind
that different people have different definitions of what a daily run
is. Record keepers and racers all pretty much agree that a daily run
is a great circle distance between two points in any 24 hours.
However, lots of cruisers prefer to define average day's run as the
distance between ports divided by the number of days between ports (ie.
distance made good on course per day).

-- Tom.


~^ beancounter ~^ December 5th 06 09:06 PM

Rough estimates of miles per day sailing...
 
100 miles per day...makes planning a breeze..
(no punn intended).....

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On Dec 5, 12:52Â*am, AMPowers wrote:
Hey all,

Can anyone provide a link to references regarding reasonable mileage
made good for a given 24 hour period of sailing. Â* I've heard estimates
ranging from 50 to 100 nautical miles per twenty four hour period for
monohulls and 75 to 150 nautical miles per twenty four hour period for
catamarans. Â*This is assuming "delivery" style sailing, no stopping for
pleasure, etc. Â*It also presumes that the winds are relatively
favorable, not beating upwind.

Any opinions, experience or actual data would be greatly appreciated.



patrick munro December 5th 06 09:25 PM

Rough estimates of miles per day sailing...
 
I've made several trans-oceanic
voyages....Hawaii-Victoria,Victoria-Maui,
Mexico-Tahiti.
If you are sailing downwind....my experience in monos shows a daily
run of anywhere from 130-180 nautical miles a day.
If you stay out of the "highs",and do spinnaker runs during daylight
hours,
you should be able to manage 7-8 knots easily.
These trips were made in a 41,42,and 50 foot boats respectively.
Can't speak for cats,as I have no experience,but
I would think they would be faster.

"AMPowers" wrote in message
et...
Hey all,

Can anyone provide a link to references regarding reasonable mileage
made good for a given 24 hour period of sailing. I've heard estimates
ranging from 50 to 100 nautical miles per twenty four hour period for
monohulls and 75 to 150 nautical miles per twenty four hour period for
catamarans. This is assuming "delivery" style sailing, no stopping for
pleasure, etc. It also presumes that the winds are relatively
favorable, not beating upwind.

Any opinions, experience or actual data would be greatly appreciated.




Roger Long December 5th 06 09:38 PM

Rough estimates of miles per day sailing...
 
~^ beancounter ~^ wrote:
100 miles per day...makes planning a breeze..


It's also nice to have a boat that goes six knots. I often adjust my
throttle slightly under power to set the speed at six knots - 10 minutes per
mile. It's very close to my normal cruise anyway.

--
Roger Long


[email protected] December 5th 06 10:14 PM

Rough estimates of miles per day sailing...
 
....
If you are sailing downwind....my experience in monos shows a daily
run of anywhere from 130-180 nautical miles a day. ...


Those seem like reasonable numbers to me, but be aware that the
variances might be quite high. Nothing is for sure with a sail boat.
Even on the same routes at similar times of year I've found that my
passage times can vary by a factor of two, and I'm not alone in this.
There was a boat sailing near me on my last passage up from New Zealand
who had arranged a complete crew change in Tahiti on the assumption
that he could make 100 miles a day no mater what. Sadly he ended up
hove to for a week and found himself a week late and in the Cooks... I
typically plan passages in stages. At a preliminary stage I look at
the pilot charts and make a rough guess at how long a passage will take
and then double that number to make allowances for waiting on weather
and such. This can take place years ahead of time. Starting a few
weeks before the intended passage I start looking at weather charts
daily to get a feel for the macro weather and readjust my expected time
based on the weather I think I'm going to be sailing in. Finally, when
I check-out I look one more time at the best wx models I can get and
make a final estimate of my passage time and then tell everyone that I
plan to take twice as long as I suspect I really will. YMMV.

-- Tom.


Roger Long December 5th 06 10:23 PM

Rough estimates of miles per day sailing...
 
wrote:
...
Those seem like reasonable numbers to me, but be aware that the
variances might be quite high. Nothing is for sure with a sail boat.


Caution is certainly warranted on some routes. There have been cases of
people looking at the spectacular runs made by clipper ships on some
southern routes and planning accordingly. Turns out that the weather
systems are dominated by large lows with long periods of mild weather
between. The big, fast clippers would hook into a low and ride it for
hundreds of miles. At 15 plus knots, they would stay in the winds for a
long time.

The small yacht gets the **** beat out of it while hunkered down for a few
days and then experiences days of light winds and left over sea before
having to heave to and get the **** beat out of it again, and again, and
again. Some nearly starved.

--
Roger Long


Steve December 6th 06 01:03 AM

Rough estimates of miles per day sailing...
 
On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 11:11:50 -0500, Gogarty
wrote:

In article ,
says...


I use 5 kts as my estimate and am happy when I do 6-7+. The later rate
isn't a problem unless it gets you to an unknown destination during the
night. So, I'd plan on 120-150 miles a day.

-- Geoff


I assume five knots, hour in and hour out, even though she will hit eight
when all is in the groove. I would never budget more than 100 nautical
miles in a 24 hour period. For every eight knot burst there's a three knot
drift.


Same here. For trip planning I always used 5kts average for a 37'
monohull and it's worked out well.

Steve

Lew Hodgett December 6th 06 01:30 AM

Rough estimates of miles per day sailing...
 
Subject

If it is coastal cruising, assume 50 miles/day.

Doesn't make much difference where you sail or on what type/size boat,
50 miles per day is a good average.

Lew

Carl December 6th 06 02:34 AM

Rough estimates of miles per day sailing...
 

You need to make a decision about iron wind. On a "delivery trip", I'll
use the engine when speed drops below 4 knots to push along at 5.5
knots ( about 2000 rpm on my 55' monohull and minimal fuel usage). This
strategy provides a pretty reliable 140-150 mile 24 hour run.

When I'm out for fun - it's no engine and no hurry.

Carl


Cap'n Ric December 6th 06 04:34 AM

Rough estimates of miles per day sailing...
 
I have a 2003 Beneteau 473 which puts down about a 46' waterline and has
approximately 1,100 Sq. Ft of sail between the genoa and mainsail.

This summer I left Baltimore, Maryland on the evening of June 25th and
arrived in Castine, Maine late morning of July 1st. Five and a half days
and 550 miles later for an even 100 mile a day average. Since we stopped
and spent an entire day and a half at Great Salt Pond in Block Island, Rhode
Island we only spent four days sailing for an average of 137.5 nautical
miles a day for a 5.75 Kt average.

We averaged 10 Kt. winds from the SW to the SE so we were running or
reaching all the way except the 95 miles to clear the C&D Canal and the
Delaware Bay. We also timed the Cape Cod Canal right so we went through on
a full flood tide. At night we would take one reef in both sails. Because
you are getting pretty far north we only had darkness for 7 hours a night.

You will have to retrieve historical data on the prevailing winds for your
trip. You may also want to pull tide and current data if that affects your
journey. I had the latest NWS 96 hour weater forecasts and I knew the
prevailing winds would be SW with some swing as far as SE. I also have
weather radio, weather fax and navtex on the boat. We timed the current in
the C&D Canal, Delaware Bay and Cape Code Canal so we would have the current
with us.

Assuming you know how your boat sails at various points of sail I think you
will find that you can come very close to your estimates. We missed our
estimate on our arrival at the R2 Bell at Block Island by only 2 hours. We
arrived in Castine, Maine within 3 hours of our initial estimate.

Regards,

Cap'n Ric
USCG Licensed Captain




NE Sailboat December 6th 06 05:25 PM

Rough estimates of miles per day sailing...
 
After considerable thought and analysis ... I come up with = = 20 miles per
day.

The number could be much higher if: I didn't get up so late, decide to
make coffee and have a bagel, read the local paper of whatever town I am
moored in, spend time talking to numerous other sailors about such things as
moorings, docks, the nice ass on the girl in the marina ,,,

Then,,, I get her ready. Put this away, put that away, test this, test
that, make sure there is fuel, check the weather, talk on the marine radio
because it is fun, play with the dinghy, get out the charts, set up my
"sailor cd/radio/tape player", call over to other boats as to where they are
heading, ... have another cup of coffee ,, go below and clean up ... row in
to use the men's room at the marina with the girl with the nice ass ,,,


Finally set sail.


Sail for 4-6 hours. At 4-5 knots. Go approximately 20 miles but never in
the direction I want to go in because the wind is all wrong.


Check my handy Cruising Guide to the Maine Coast ..

Pick out a nice anchorage.


Sail in, start motor, drop hook.


Pour myself a cold diet pepsi.

Have an appetizer.

Pick out a movie for the evening and set up the DVD Player ..


Relax.



20 miles...

Anymore than that would be tough.


Its time to go lie down.
"AMPowers" wrote in message
et...
Hey all,

Can anyone provide a link to references regarding reasonable mileage made
good for a given 24 hour period of sailing. I've heard estimates ranging
from 50 to 100 nautical miles per twenty four hour period for monohulls
and 75 to 150 nautical miles per twenty four hour period for catamarans.
This is assuming "delivery" style sailing, no stopping for pleasure, etc.
It also presumes that the winds are relatively favorable, not beating
upwind.

Any opinions, experience or actual data would be greatly appreciated.




Wayne.B December 7th 06 06:26 PM

Rough estimates of miles per day sailing...
 
On Thu, 07 Dec 2006 07:38:41 -0500, Gogarty
wrote:

Tee hee. Actually sounds like the general practice of our sailing club where
anything more than twenty miles and/or five hours is extreme over-exertion. I
was once Fleet Captain and tried to set up 40-mile days -- you know, get from
City Island to Block Island in three daylight days -- resulting in grand
mutiny.


40 mile days on a club cruise are difficult for the smaller boats.
Our first cruiser was a Westerly 28 and we always arrived late for the
end of day parties. We didn't get much sympathy from the big guys but
it is a real issue if you are trying to encourage broad participation.

One strategy our club eventually adopted was to start the cruise out
east at some place like BI or Newport and let everyone figure out the
best way to get there on their own time schedule. After that we'd do
short hops only.


Steve December 8th 06 12:18 AM

Rough estimates of miles per day sailing...
 
On Thu, 07 Dec 2006 07:32:03 -0500, Gogarty
wrote:

In article . net,
says...


Subject

If it is coastal cruising, assume 50 miles/day.

Doesn't make much difference where you sail or on what type/size boat,
50 miles per day is a good average.

Lew


That can't be for 24 hours, can it?


When I do coastal cruising, I'm usually sailing 12 hours and anchored
12 hours a day. So 50 miles a day is about right.

Steve


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