Go get:
Battery Reference Book 3rd ed. - T. Crompton (2000) WW.pdf
from over on alt.binaries.e-book.technical

Fantastic battery book on a huge range of batteries, including those
mysterious beasts some boater told you needed servicing in the bilge.....

Pay the book no attention that it doesn't cover some $800 10A boat battery
charger from the slick talkin' salesman at Waste Marine.... This book is
about real life batteries...not boat parts sales gimmicks.

Man, those forklift batteries just wreak of POWER!

"POWER is our friend", you know!

Okay so I'm stupid and don't know anything. So I hope that stops the
flames.
How do I find information on Alt.binaries??????
So lets say I want to find the FANTASTIC battery book. How do I GO GET
IT??
Thanks
Larry wrote:
Go get:
Battery Reference Book 3rd ed. - T. Crompton (2000) WW.pdf
from over on alt.binaries.e-book.technical

Fantastic battery book on a huge range of batteries, including those
mysterious beasts some boater told you needed servicing in the bilge.....

Pay the book no attention that it doesn't cover some $800 10A boat battery
charger from the slick talkin' salesman at Waste Marine.... This book is
about real life batteries...not boat parts sales gimmicks.

Man, those forklift batteries just wreak of POWER!

"POWER is our friend", you know!

wrote in news:1159758699.790916.11540
@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com:

Okay so I'm stupid and don't know anything. So I hope that stops the
flames.
How do I find information on Alt.binaries??????
So lets say I want to find the FANTASTIC battery book. How do I GO GET
IT??
Thanks


No you're not....just "uninformed"...(c;

OK, first you MUST have a connection to a real usenet server. I see you're
on googlegroups and there are no binaries on the freebies. Now, I see from
your post header that your IP is:
70.59.138.249
so I did a whois and it says Qwest is your ISP. Is that right? There's
another IP beginning with 208, but that's Global Crossing and I think
that's Googlegroups' IP.

I did a little searching through all the stacks of help pages on qwest.com
and put keywords like USENET and NEWSGROUPS into their search engine and
found NOTHING, so I'm assuming Qwest would rather you didn't known anything
about Usenet and its amazing capabilities because it uses BANDWIDTH, a
commodity they'd rather you didn't use very much of so they can sell the
same bandwidth to a million other naive users....typical DSL.

So, our other option is to connect to a real usenet server, such as
Usenetserver.com (http://www.usenetserver.com/). Forget freebies as they
don't have the resources or the profit motivation to provide the terabytes
the binary usenet groups consume...hourly. Usenetserver.com is in kind of
a tither, tonight, because it is trying to recover from the addition of yet
another massive array of storage boxes costing big money to store even more
data for longer periods. This is called "retention", the lenght of time
the servers can store it all before they have to dump old data to get new
data because all the rooms full of hard drives and servers are just stuffed
to capacity. 30 days is the target. It's getting harder and harder to
reach. All those songs gotta be stored, somewhere, in those big boxes.
They'll recover in a few days...(c; UNS has a trial plan...$3 for 3 days
access to their truly unlimited service. Monthly fee is a paltry $15/mo or
3 months for $39....for 10 simultaneous port connections, 24/7/365, with NO
gigabyte limits and NO speed caps slowin' ya down....nearly unheard of in
the Usenet-to-consumer biz. As you become a total file whore, cursing and
ranting if it doesn't connect in the next 10 seconds, needing that FILE
FIX!....well, the price is of no consequence. My ISP, Knology Cable,
located also in Atlanta where UNS' boxes reside in the building across the
street from the CNN Center all hooked up to some MASSIVE internet pipes
from MANY sources, Knology INCLUDES unlimited access to UNS on a special
direct fibre-to-Knology link which is Cool COOL COOL!.

Ok, we've gotten our REAL Usenet service with our credit card all ready to
connect. Now what??......

USENET IS NOT A WEBPAGE AND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WEBPAGES......

I know you're seeing this on your browser, but only because google is
converting it to this terrible browser service. Wait until you get YOUR
hands on the train's REAL throttles!......Usenet addresses, like
rec.boats.cruising are NOT webpage addresses and have nothing to do with
them...

"So, how do I connect to my $15?", you ask, tapping your foot.....

Just like REAL email service which has a connection client, hopefully NOT
Outlook Express, the target of every email hacker on the planet....we'll
need a USENET client to connect to whatever server you have access to.....

For binary downloads, there are a lot. You can play with them all and find
the one you like best. I, personally, have been very satisfied with David
Harris' Xnews, a free program from http://xnews.newsguy.com/
It's quite old, but he keeps it up-to-date with all the latest
encoders/decoders the hackers have created to cut up and send huge binary,
8-bit, files over poor, old, 7-bit, text-based Usenet....which was never
designed to even send a picture over! Clever those hacker boys...once they
set their minds to it.

Download and install Xnews, just to humor me. Download the MANUAL ALSO as
I'm not going to give you a full tutorial of its amazing capabilities way
beyond what we need for now. I still don't know how to use everything it
does and I've been using it for 15 years! I'm typing on its "FollowUp"
separate window to make this message....and I read your posts with its main
window. It never "runs" anything, by default, like Micro$not's Outlook
does for all the virus and trojans posted to usenet and email. It's not a
target for the hacker world, because it's free....making it quite safe to
use.

Ok, Xnews downloaded and is installed, such that that is.....now what?

Run it. If it didn't make a shortcut to the desktop, do it yourself.
You'll be running it a LOT once you learn how...(c;

When Xnews first boots, it pops up a window to learn about your connection
and put in some basic information about you. DO NOT PUT YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS
OR ANY PERSONAL INFORMATION ON USENET! There are robots scanning them all.
UNS is also a better source for Usenet than Googlegroups. UNS doesn't put
your IP I stole from your Googlegroups header into any post you
make....you're anonymous, which is best.... My bogus email address
is an old joke from Comcrap's @Home cable internet service
which was just AWFUL, before it went belly up.

You need THREE pieces of information to logon to the server.......
Address - the nameserver address of the boxes in Atlanta
news.usenetserver.com
Username - The username you chose when you signed up...
Password - The password you chose when you signed up...
This is so the server knows it's you....just like your email servers POP3
and SMTP (receiving and sending). News servers do both.

Pick a bogus name and email address, just to fill up the space....nothing
else.

When you click OK, Xnews will call the news server beast and logon to a
port. Once the authentication is over, automatically, it will prompt you
to wait while it downloads all 70,000+ newsgroups, like rec.boats.cruising,
UNS stores on its beasts. The number of newsgroups will screw up on DSL at
a fairly fast clip...if we didn't screw up the typing on
username/password...(c; Xnews won't ask for them, again. It will simply
logon the instant you boot it next time and download all the message
numbers from your "subscribed" groups.

"Subscribed", in this case, just means moved-to-the-top-of-the-list-and-
marked-as-special-for-me. The server has nothing to do with it, just you
and Xnews.

Ok, the list is done and the screen filled with newsgroups noone ever heard
of. Click the ALL button along the bottom to show them ALL. If the ALL
button is not depressed, you only see the SUBSCRIBED newsgroups, to make
life simpler. There aren't any, yet....which is where we're going,
now......subscribing.

To subscribe to a newsgroup, moving it to the top of the list and marking
it "subscribed", you highlight the group you want and press the = key (or
you can rightclick on the group you want and a popup window will do it for
you, showing you the shortcut = key in case you forget.) Slide down the
list, which on your screen is only slightly longer than the distance to
Mars, until you find rec.boats.cruising...under the r's! Xnews
alphabetizes and sorts them all. Ain't that nice? NO, NO, don't stop at
alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.teen.female! You can play with them later...
(c; Every perversion known to man has a newsgroup in alt.binaries and
alt.sex. Every 12-year-old KNOWS how to make the most of it, too! Protect
the children, hell....PROTECT THE ADULTS!...(c;

When you get to rec.boats.cruising, highlight it with a single click and
press = The blue dot will change to a green arrow, showing it's a
subscribed group. Go back up the list and do the same thing to
alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.(pick your favorite genre here), which is where the
MUSIC FILES ARE!...by the thousands!

You now know how to "subscribe"....but notice I haven't OPENED them,
yet....

Xnews used to crash 128MB Win98SE machines because all the headers of all
the messages you told it to get are all stored in RAM for fast
sorting/access/listing. New computers with 1GB of RAM and XP don't crash
any more up to around 800,000 messages. But, it takes forever to download
800,000 message headers, even on DSL moreso than Cable, which is faster.
If you open alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.1980s, tonight, one of my subscribed
groups, UNS says there are about 208,000 messages. One MP3 file is from 5
to 20 messages. That's a LOT of music.

Doubleclick on the group you're interested in like this one and it will
open. If there are less than the default 50,000 messages you haven't
"read", yet, it'll just download them, sort them all out, and list them in
the newsgroup's own window, nicely threaded with pretty blue rubix cubes
next to all the multimessage "parts". On MP3 groups, a ready-to-play MP3
file IS just one "part". On movie groups, the movie is MANY parts that
have to be "assembled" by another program we won't discuss now. Movies are
730MB to 1.5GB...HUGE!

Ok, because your unread messages are much more than the default message
limit, Xnews pops up a new little window so we can tell it how many
messages we actually want to look at. There are two nice "slidebars"
across the top of it...BEGIN and END. The number of messages it will
download are the number between the BEGIN slidebar and the END slidebar.
There's a window with a number (the right hand window) that tells you how
many you have selected, even as you're moving the bars around. Leave the
END bar at the last message that just came in a few milliseconds before you
doubleclicked this group open...the right hand end of the END slide, the
last message. Slide the BEGIN bar up until the number of messages reads
around 100,000 messages, a reasonable block of messages to look at at once.
200,000 is my personal limit, but only on movie groups with huge file
structures. We're going to get the LAST 100,000 messages, not the whole
group. Click OK, sit back and watch the new group window open up and fill
itself. A little red slidemeter in the lower right corner tells you how
far along in the downloading of the message HEADERS the computer has gotten
from the beast. It screws up quite fast...(c; The other windows on the
left have numbers winding up in them. They're not important to know, ever
that I have ever seen. You can look them up if you just HAVE to know...in
the MANUAL.

Ok, the meter went all the way to the right, then it disappeared and said,
"Sorting" then "Threading" now it says READY..... You see in front of you
the list of the last 100,000 messages in this binary newsgroup, sorted by
Subject field in alphanumeric order with all the individual messages to
each multimessage "part" (song in this case), threaded into a SINGLE line
you can simply select all at once. Ain't that grand?!.....

But wait!......

The messages are "encoded" into unreadable, unplayable 7-bit TEXT, the only
way Usenet knows how to send messages from its roots in the 1970s. To get
a playable file, we need to download all the message pieces, DECODE the
text into 8-bit binary data and STORE it someplace, hopefully on a hard
drive that still has a few gigabytes that won't run out before morning when
we can frantically offload "something" to DVD+Rs to make room for more!

NEVER LET XNEWS RUN OUT OF DISK SPACE.....IT DOESN'T LIKE THAT AND WILL GET
EVEN! It makes files with 0 bytes to punish you.... You're WARNED!

LUCKILY....Xnews does all this for us without even blinking twice....

To download and look at TEXT files or jpeg pictures directly in Xnews, just
doubleclick on the message. That's how I read yours. The arrows at the
top for next or previous or up and down are also part of this process. But
that's NOT how it downloads, decodes and assembles binaries!

To download and do all that for binaries, we Q it! Look at the top of the
list and you'll see a column simply marked Q (for que). Slide down the
list until you find a few songs, or a whole album as that's how Xnews will
probably list them if they posted it right. Pick a whole album, listed
nicely all in order by Xnews for you. Click the Q column of the first
song, usually marked - 01 - in the subject column, but ALWAYS having a
filename ending in .mp3. Notice Q now has a number 1 in it. This is the
first song you will download in your "que" of downloads. Click the second
song and a bigger number will appear in Q, 1 plus the number of messages
included in the first song, which you can see by the next column over that
says 8/8....8 messages of 8. The second number would be 9 and every time
it downloads a message, all the Q numbers decrement by 1, even if there are
70,000 of them down the list. Both songs are qued for downloading. Click
on the Q column of song 3, but hold the left mouse button down and DRAG
down the Q column, numbering all the rest of the songs in this
album..queing them all in order...which will download them all...in
order...in a minute when I'm ready.

Ok, I see a problem. One of the songs has a dark blue rubix cube on the
very left which isn't cubic. The rest of them has a light blue rubix cube
that's a cube. What gives?.....

Usenet loses things. UPloaders screw up even more! The dark blue rubix
cube says 10/12 in its message count column to the right of the Q column,
not 12/12. That means this song ISN'T GOING TO WORK because there are only
10 messages on the server, for whatever reason, of the 12 messages that
make up the song, the binary file. DON'T MARK PARTIAL FILES...you'll never
get all of it.........well, until we learn about PAR files, later on...(c;
If you marked a song with missing pieces, click Q again and the number will
disappear, unselecting it. Clicking, or clicking-dragging, on already qued
Q column entries...deselects them, too. Ok, so you only have 21 of the 22
songs on Michael D and the Jabulons' latest album. TS - no money back
guarantee!...(c; Sorry....

After you've burned your 10,000th DVD+R full of MP3 files, you won't miss
it....There's no room in the DVD rack to store it, anyways.....(c

Keep going down the list and Q-ing a few more albums you like until the Q
number reaches 1000, which won't take as long as you think, once you get
the hang of it.... I don't start downloading too quickly as I mark them
because I don't want the computer to "catch up" to where I'm marking more,
forcing me to restart the downloading over and over. I don't start
downloading until Q is over 10,000 on most groups or until I'm done. I
don't like computers to "hurry me". I'm too old....

Ok, so you got a "few files" Qed....now what?

Now, after all we've been through, we're about to break enough laws to send
us all to Federal prison as long as the guy who shot the President....we're
going to DOWNLOAD!....shame on us....

Notice along the bottom of this newsgroup's message list a row of buttons,
right over the tabs where we can select many windows. Let's discuss these
important, AND POTENTIALLY SELF-DESTRUCTING, buttons.....
Starting from the left next to a numbered window:

The check mark button = Close this window and mark all the messages in it
as "read", which sets the BEGIN marker to the current end the next time we
open it. THIS button, in one little mistaken click, will NEGATE ALL THE
Q'd messages we spent the last hour selecting! DO NOT CLICK THIS BUTTON
UNTIL EVERYTHING HAS BEEN DOWNLOADED! We use this button to CLOSE this
window and make it ready for next time, showing only new messages next
time....if we want.

The red button with the white X in it = Stop doing what you're doing now.
A popup window will appear asking you if you REALLY want to disconnect from
the server, which stops it from downloading those stupid things you didn't
mean to mark. CTRL + this button pops up a different window that will stop
what it's doing AFTER the "part" it's working on, now. This is great if
you want to stop downloading while you need your bandwidth to get the new
spam emails your box is full of, for instance. Either case...it stops and
disconnects from the server, putting us back where we were before we
started downloading. It does NOT destroy our Q column numbers...

The blue Rubix cube button = DOWNLOAD....ahhh....here tiz! When you click
this button, a regular windows selection box pops up asking you where the
hell we're gonna put all this STUFF! Be SURE you OPEN a folder, not just
point to it. Whatever is already IN the folder will appear ONLY when the
folder is OPEN and ready for downloading. Must highlighting a folder does
NOT open it for downloading....so all the "stuff" will end up in your root
directory...not nice! Select the disk drive from your massive array of
drives then the folder. I make download folders for each genre of music
like "COUNTRY DOWNLOAD", separate from "COUNTRY". That's so I can listen
to new files in DOWNLOAD before moving them to the main COUNTRY
folder...without looking through 80,000 country songs for the new ones.
Ideally, COUNTRY DOWNLOAD will be EMPTY when I come back to download some
more....if I do my job auditing them all.... Some files you download just
SUCK! So, it's a good idea to cull the files before permanent storage. I
also like a STANDARDIZED filename structure, making Windows Explorer or
some other file handler easier to find the ones I want. My music files are
all filename changed to:
artist - title.mp3

Glenn Miller - Chattanooga Choo Choo.mp3

It's just neater to sort them all the simple way....

Ok, it's downloading away, the modem lights are going crazy, the disk drive
light is blinking away.....go continue to Q more files, which you can do at
any time in Xnews. Downloading 24/7 is NOT A SIN! I asked the pope!
Qwest ain't gonna like it, though....(c; Comcast will send out nasty
letters threatening to dump you!

Once you've gotten all the songs in this newsgroup you like, you have two
choices....open another newsgroup and start all over again....or.....go to
bed! Once Q'd, your services are no longer needed by Xnews. It works fine
on its own....

As a matter of fact, Xnews will even try AGAIN to download a single message
it doesn't find the body of the first time. You'll see a red question mark
on an opened up thread, meaning the body of the message wasn't available.
It tries again to find it after the whole list has been completed....and
finds it most times!

This should get you started down your road to Usenet addiction. I've tried
the 12 step programs, but have been unsuccessful in breaking the habit. I
know it's "greed-based".... It's 1:30AM Monday morning. I gotta restart a
couple of groups before hitting the sack.....

C'ya....

Larry wrote in
:

Go get:
Battery Reference Book 3rd ed. - T. Crompton (2000) WW.pdf
from over on alt.binaries.e-book.technical


Unfortunately my XNews software downloads this book as a corrupted PDF
file, so I can't read it.

I'd really appreciate it if a kind sole would email the pdf file to me.

Remove "BATTERY" from my email address,

Thanks,
-Jim.