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My head ,, it doesn't have a holding tank ,, question
I have an old sailboat. The head doesn't have a holding tank. It
discharges overboard. I wonder, can I get a holding tank but not drill through the deck for a pump out? The thought of drilling through my old deck for a pump out that I will hardly ever use is crazy. But, I would put a holding tank in to be legal. Tell me about holding tanks with old heads. Thanks, |
My head ,, it doesn't have a holding tank ,, question
"Sailboat" wrote in message news:TOiSg.1207$8U2.964@trndny08... I have an old sailboat. The head doesn't have a holding tank. It discharges overboard. I wonder, can I get a holding tank but not drill through the deck for a pump out? The thought of drilling through my old deck for a pump out that I will hardly ever use is crazy. But, I would put a holding tank in to be legal. Tell me about holding tanks with old heads. Thanks, My solution was to rip everything out and replace it with a portapotty. The holding tank (the portapotty itself) is carried up and out for emptying as necessary. Got rid of two holes in the hull that way (one smallish, one frighteningly largish). Two seasons later and I'm pleased as punch -- but only daysailing so far. |
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KLC Lewis wrote:
My solution was to rip everything out and replace it with a portapotty. The holding tank (the portapotty itself) is carried up and out for emptying as necessary. Got rid of two holes in the hull that way (one smallish, one frighteningly largish). Two seasons later and I'm pleased as punch -- but only daysailing so far. Porta potties used to be very popular where I was due to the lack of thru-hulls. When far offshore, no sane person uses the toilet anyway so it's a day sailing issue only. |
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... When far offshore, no sane person uses the toilet anyway so
it's a day sailing issue only. That's a pretty ambitious statment. When the deck is being swept by waves and it is dark, rainy and windy I think it is wise to use the heads below rather than hanging my ass over the rail or trying to cart a bucket of ofal to the lee side. Still, I spend a great deal of time offshore in small boats so I suppose my sanity is open to question. More to the point, I agree that the porta-potty is the easiest, cheapest and likely best solution. I did the same thing to a CAL 36 that I owend years ago and it worked well for camping. If I were going to live with the thing I think it might be worth checking to see if you can go with a type III MSD. You'll have to check out the power, space and legal problems before you even get to the cost... If you are up for a bit of mad scientist action you might look into modifying a composting tiolet to meet your needs. My current boat has the holding tank in a deck locker so there are no through deck fittings... -- Tom. |
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Sailboat wrote:
I have an old sailboat. The head doesn't have a holding tank. It discharges overboard. I wonder, can I get a holding tank but not drill through the deck for a pump out? The thought of drilling through my old deck for a pump out that I will hardly ever use is crazy. But, I would put a holding tank in to be legal. Tell me about holding tanks with old heads. Thanks, Simplest thing would be to move the boat up here and sail in our waters. At this time the old tru hull discharge is still legal in Eastern Canadian coastal waters. |
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"Paul Cassel" wrote in message
... KLC Lewis wrote: My solution was to rip everything out and replace it with a portapotty. The holding tank (the portapotty itself) is carried up and out for emptying as necessary. Got rid of two holes in the hull that way (one smallish, one frighteningly largish). Two seasons later and I'm pleased as punch -- but only daysailing so far. Porta potties used to be very popular where I was due to the lack of thru-hulls. When far offshore, no sane person uses the toilet anyway so it's a day sailing issue only. Sorry Paul, but that's absolutely loony. When far offshore, the last thing you want to do is to encourage people not to use the head. You can certainly arrange to have the discharge pumped overboard, but not using the head invites someone to fall off. As conditions worsen, this can get dangerous even in the middle of the day with everyone watching (well, perhaps that doesn't sound quite right, but you get the point). :-) -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... Sorry Paul, but that's absolutely loony. When far offshore, the last thing you want to do is to encourage people not to use the head. You can certainly arrange to have the discharge pumped overboard, but not using the head invites someone to fall off. As conditions worsen, this can get dangerous even in the middle of the day with everyone watching (well, perhaps that doesn't sound quite right, but you get the point). :-) -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com Ain't no problem at all. Just build a poop deck. |
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"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
et... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... Sorry Paul, but that's absolutely loony. When far offshore, the last thing you want to do is to encourage people not to use the head. You can certainly arrange to have the discharge pumped overboard, but not using the head invites someone to fall off. As conditions worsen, this can get dangerous even in the middle of the day with everyone watching (well, perhaps that doesn't sound quite right, but you get the point). :-) -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com Ain't no problem at all. Just build a poop deck. Ah... well, I stand (or sit) corrected. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Now I know why the clams have that tasty smell... ??????????????????????
================================================== ================================== "Don White" wrote in message ... Sailboat wrote: I have an old sailboat. The head doesn't have a holding tank. It discharges overboard. I wonder, can I get a holding tank but not drill through the deck for a pump out? The thought of drilling through my old deck for a pump out that I will hardly ever use is crazy. But, I would put a holding tank in to be legal. Tell me about holding tanks with old heads. Thanks, Simplest thing would be to move the boat up here and sail in our waters. At this time the old tru hull discharge is still legal in Eastern Canadian coastal waters. |
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Benning Wentworth wrote:
Now I know why the clams have that tasty smell... ?????????????????????? ================================================== ================================== mmmm clams...scallops mmm |
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My current boat has the holding
tank in a deck locker so there are no through deck fittings... ================================================== ================================== Let me see if I have this right ... if one has the head, and the head doesn't have a holding tank ,,, there is a way to put some type of holding tank in that can be emptied but not through the deck. Like a holding tank for a potto potty? This sounds easy,, it it? 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000 wrote in message oups.com... ... When far offshore, no sane person uses the toilet anyway so it's a day sailing issue only. That's a pretty ambitious statment. When the deck is being swept by waves and it is dark, rainy and windy I think it is wise to use the heads below rather than hanging my ass over the rail or trying to cart a bucket of ofal to the lee side. Still, I spend a great deal of time offshore in small boats so I suppose my sanity is open to question. More to the point, I agree that the porta-potty is the easiest, cheapest and likely best solution. I did the same thing to a CAL 36 that I owend years ago and it worked well for camping. If I were going to live with the thing I think it might be worth checking to see if you can go with a type III MSD. You'll have to check out the power, space and legal problems before you even get to the cost... If you are up for a bit of mad scientist action you might look into modifying a composting tiolet to meet your needs. My current boat has the holding tank in a deck locker so there are no through deck fittings... -- Tom. |
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Paul Cassel wrote: When far offshore, no sane person uses the toilet anyway so it's a day sailing issue only. Well.............. sorta. On the west coast the rumor is most commercial fisherman who fell over board and drowned typically had their zipper open. Lesson learned: when unfurling your short arm don't yard it over the side. So what I do when sailing solo is zip and hose down the cockpit. Typically there is enough sea water or rain entering the cockpit for ample flushing action. However, for other personal discharge functions I prefer my PH II. From what I have seen along the side of every interstate freeway the truckers have an effective method. Bath & Bed Bob |
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Well, we had a Catalina 27 that had a holding tank but no deck fitting. We
brought the pumpout hose down below when we went to the pump out station. It worked, but I wouldn't recommend it. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Small Sailboat" wrote in message news:BVwSg.1510$0Y2.90@trndny09... My current boat has the holding tank in a deck locker so there are no through deck fittings... ================================================== ================================== Let me see if I have this right ... if one has the head, and the head doesn't have a holding tank ,,, there is a way to put some type of holding tank in that can be emptied but not through the deck. Like a holding tank for a potto potty? This sounds easy,, it it? 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000 wrote in message oups.com... ... When far offshore, no sane person uses the toilet anyway so it's a day sailing issue only. That's a pretty ambitious statment. When the deck is being swept by waves and it is dark, rainy and windy I think it is wise to use the heads below rather than hanging my ass over the rail or trying to cart a bucket of ofal to the lee side. Still, I spend a great deal of time offshore in small boats so I suppose my sanity is open to question. More to the point, I agree that the porta-potty is the easiest, cheapest and likely best solution. I did the same thing to a CAL 36 that I owend years ago and it worked well for camping. If I were going to live with the thing I think it might be worth checking to see if you can go with a type III MSD. You'll have to check out the power, space and legal problems before you even get to the cost... If you are up for a bit of mad scientist action you might look into modifying a composting tiolet to meet your needs. My current boat has the holding tank in a deck locker so there are no through deck fittings... -- Tom. |
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"Bob" wrote in message
ups.com... Paul Cassel wrote: When far offshore, no sane person uses the toilet anyway so it's a day sailing issue only. Well.............. sorta. On the west coast the rumor is most commercial fisherman who fell over board and drowned typically had their zipper open. Lesson learned: when unfurling your short arm don't yard it over the side. So what I do when sailing solo is zip and hose down the cockpit. Typically there is enough sea water or rain entering the cockpit for ample flushing action. However, for other personal discharge functions I prefer my PH II. From what I have seen along the side of every interstate freeway the truckers have an effective method. Bath & Bed Bob Geez... remind me not to get on your boat until after it's been washed... how about using one of those portable units instead. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Capt. JG wrote:
Well, we had a Catalina 27 that had a holding tank but no deck fitting. We brought the pumpout hose down below when we went to the pump out station. It worked, but I wouldn't recommend it. Please elaborate, Cap'n. What problems did it pose? Chuck ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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Sailboat wrote:
I have an old sailboat. The head doesn't have a holding tank. It discharges overboard. I wonder, can I get a holding tank but not drill through the deck for a pump out? It depends on where you are. If you're in coastal water that provide immediate access to open sea at least 3 miles from the nearest point on the whole US coastline, you can get away with only an overboard discharge for the tank. But if you're on inland waters or a large bay that would make it impractical to get far enough offshore to dump a tank legally, you'll have to have a pumpout fitting. The alternative would be some kind of setup that would allow the pumpout to be connected directly to the tank or into it through a cleanout port...but pumpout hoses dribble. I wouldn't think you want to bring one into the boat. Several others have suggested replacing your toilet with a portapotty. If you won't use it much, that may be the best way to go. However, if you have to carry it off the boat to empty it, you don't want a tank bigger than 2-3 gallons...'cuz waste and water weigh 8.333 lbs/gal, which would make a 5-6 gallon tank weigh about 50 lbs...a LOT to carry off the boat and haul up a dock. Otoh, I don't know what the big deal is about putting in a deck pumpout fitting. That's what 99% of all older boat owners have had to do. Tell me about holding tanks with old heads. For starters, heads do have a finite lifespan....they wear out, break...mfrs discontinue offering ANY parts for 'em. So depending upon the make/model/age of yours, you're prob'ly better off replacing it and starting ov4er with complete new system--toilet, tank, plumbing etc. As for connecting a tank to an old toilet, that's no different from connecting a tank to new toilet. -- Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://shop.sailboatowners.com/books...ku=90&cat=1304 |
My head ,, it doesn't have a holding tank ,, question
The problem, as I see it, is that putting in a deck pumpout fitting means
another hole in the boat. And holes in boats are VERY BAD. The deck core is exposed, the fitting needs to be sealed ,, and who knows what down the line. And for what? So that a few gallons of poop can be pumped out? To where? One Whale Turd is more poop than I have ever pooped. Do Whales have a pump out fitting? Yes,,, their asshole. I was on/in a whole bunch of boats this past summer. They all had pumpout fittings. But, the Capts all told me that they just pump overboard. The tank is just to meet the legal deal. One boat had a very nice bucket. The Capt told me he uses the bucket and throws the poop overboard. His head was used as a storage area. ================ "Peggie Hall" wrote in message m... Sailboat wrote: I have an old sailboat. The head doesn't have a holding tank. It discharges overboard. I wonder, can I get a holding tank but not drill through the deck for a pump out? It depends on where you are. If you're in coastal water that provide immediate access to open sea at least 3 miles from the nearest point on the whole US coastline, you can get away with only an overboard discharge for the tank. But if you're on inland waters or a large bay that would make it impractical to get far enough offshore to dump a tank legally, you'll have to have a pumpout fitting. The alternative would be some kind of setup that would allow the pumpout to be connected directly to the tank or into it through a cleanout port...but pumpout hoses dribble. I wouldn't think you want to bring one into the boat. Several others have suggested replacing your toilet with a portapotty. If you won't use it much, that may be the best way to go. However, if you have to carry it off the boat to empty it, you don't want a tank bigger than 2-3 gallons...'cuz waste and water weigh 8.333 lbs/gal, which would make a 5-6 gallon tank weigh about 50 lbs...a LOT to carry off the boat and haul up a dock. Otoh, I don't know what the big deal is about putting in a deck pumpout fitting. That's what 99% of all older boat owners have had to do. Tell me about holding tanks with old heads. For starters, heads do have a finite lifespan....they wear out, break...mfrs discontinue offering ANY parts for 'em. So depending upon the make/model/age of yours, you're prob'ly better off replacing it and starting ov4er with complete new system--toilet, tank, plumbing etc. As for connecting a tank to an old toilet, that's no different from connecting a tank to new toilet. -- Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://shop.sailboatowners.com/books...ku=90&cat=1304 |
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Small Sailboat wrote:
The problem, as I see it, is that putting in a deck pumpout fitting means another hole in the boat. And holes in boats are VERY BAD. A deck pumpout fitting is just what the name implies--a DECK fitting. It's not a thru-hull...it's WAY above the waterline. It doesn't rely on a seacock, it has a threaded cap with a rubber o-ring under it that seals it. The deck core is exposed, the fitting needs to be sealed... With a proper bedding compound. ,, and who knows what down the line. An occasional rebedding. Which is nothing compared to maintaining toilet and tank. And for what? So that a few gallons of poop can be pumped out? To where? To a sewage treatment plant that MAY treat it before it goes into the water...unless the plant has a spill. One boat had a very nice bucket. The Capt told me he uses the bucket and throws the poop overboard. Ok at sea beyond the "3 mile limit," but just as illegal as flushing a toilet directly overboard or dumping a tank inside it. Don't complain to me about it...I didn't write the laws, I'm just the messenger who can only tell you what's legal and what's not. Peggie "Peggie Hall" wrote in message m... Sailboat wrote: I have an old sailboat. The head doesn't have a holding tank. It discharges overboard. I wonder, can I get a holding tank but not drill through the deck for a pump out? It depends on where you are. If you're in coastal water that provide immediate access to open sea at least 3 miles from the nearest point on the whole US coastline, you can get away with only an overboard discharge for the tank. But if you're on inland waters or a large bay that would make it impractical to get far enough offshore to dump a tank legally, you'll have to have a pumpout fitting. The alternative would be some kind of setup that would allow the pumpout to be connected directly to the tank or into it through a cleanout port...but pumpout hoses dribble. I wouldn't think you want to bring one into the boat. Several others have suggested replacing your toilet with a portapotty. If you won't use it much, that may be the best way to go. However, if you have to carry it off the boat to empty it, you don't want a tank bigger than 2-3 gallons...'cuz waste and water weigh 8.333 lbs/gal, which would make a 5-6 gallon tank weigh about 50 lbs...a LOT to carry off the boat and haul up a dock. Otoh, I don't know what the big deal is about putting in a deck pumpout fitting. That's what 99% of all older boat owners have had to do. Tell me about holding tanks with old heads. For starters, heads do have a finite lifespan....they wear out, break...mfrs discontinue offering ANY parts for 'em. So depending upon the make/model/age of yours, you're prob'ly better off replacing it and starting ov4er with complete new system--toilet, tank, plumbing etc. As for connecting a tank to an old toilet, that's no different from connecting a tank to new toilet. -- Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://shop.sailboatowners.com/books...ku=90&cat=1304 |
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From what I read here, your reply and your listing as an expert on all
things poop, it seems to me you are in the turd business to make money. You cavalierly write that a deck fitting is no big deal, just drill it, and cap it. Sure,,, and when Mr Sailboat owner is facing a wet core deck, will you be there to fix it? And, for what. A pump out that almost every boat owner has but never uses? This is beyond stupid. To spend all kinds of money, drill holes in the deck of an old sailboat, so that a holding tank that will never get used is in place is nutty. If you are behind my boat and you see a blue bucket and it is being thrown overboard ......... don't come to close. This turds for you! ==================== "Peggie Hall" wrote in message et... Small Sailboat wrote: The problem, as I see it, is that putting in a deck pumpout fitting means another hole in the boat. And holes in boats are VERY BAD. A deck pumpout fitting is just what the name implies--a DECK fitting. It's not a thru-hull...it's WAY above the waterline. It doesn't rely on a seacock, it has a threaded cap with a rubber o-ring under it that seals it. The deck core is exposed, the fitting needs to be sealed... With a proper bedding compound. ,, and who knows what down the line. An occasional rebedding. Which is nothing compared to maintaining toilet and tank. And for what? So that a few gallons of poop can be pumped out? To where? To a sewage treatment plant that MAY treat it before it goes into the water...unless the plant has a spill. One boat had a very nice bucket. The Capt told me he uses the bucket and throws the poop overboard. Ok at sea beyond the "3 mile limit," but just as illegal as flushing a toilet directly overboard or dumping a tank inside it. Don't complain to me about it...I didn't write the laws, I'm just the messenger who can only tell you what's legal and what's not. Peggie "Peggie Hall" wrote in message m... Sailboat wrote: I have an old sailboat. The head doesn't have a holding tank. It discharges overboard. I wonder, can I get a holding tank but not drill through the deck for a pump out? It depends on where you are. If you're in coastal water that provide immediate access to open sea at least 3 miles from the nearest point on the whole US coastline, you can get away with only an overboard discharge for the tank. But if you're on inland waters or a large bay that would make it impractical to get far enough offshore to dump a tank legally, you'll have to have a pumpout fitting. The alternative would be some kind of setup that would allow the pumpout to be connected directly to the tank or into it through a cleanout port...but pumpout hoses dribble. I wouldn't think you want to bring one into the boat. Several others have suggested replacing your toilet with a portapotty. If you won't use it much, that may be the best way to go. However, if you have to carry it off the boat to empty it, you don't want a tank bigger than 2-3 gallons...'cuz waste and water weigh 8.333 lbs/gal, which would make a 5-6 gallon tank weigh about 50 lbs...a LOT to carry off the boat and haul up a dock. Otoh, I don't know what the big deal is about putting in a deck pumpout fitting. That's what 99% of all older boat owners have had to do. Tell me about holding tanks with old heads. For starters, heads do have a finite lifespan....they wear out, break...mfrs discontinue offering ANY parts for 'em. So depending upon the make/model/age of yours, you're prob'ly better off replacing it and starting ov4er with complete new system--toilet, tank, plumbing etc. As for connecting a tank to an old toilet, that's no different from connecting a tank to new toilet. -- Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://shop.sailboatowners.com/books...ku=90&cat=1304 |
My head ,, it doesn't have a holding tank ,, question
"Benning Wentworth" wrote in message news:njFSg.3012$8U2.2787@trndny08... From what I read here, your reply and your listing as an expert on all things poop, it seems to me you are in the turd business to make money. You cavalierly write that a deck fitting is no big deal, just drill it, and cap it. Sure,,, and when Mr Sailboat owner is facing a wet core deck, will you be there to fix it? And, for what. A pump out that almost every boat owner has but never uses? This is beyond stupid. To spend all kinds of money, drill holes in the deck of an old sailboat, so that a holding tank that will never get used is in place is nutty. If you are behind my boat and you see a blue bucket and it is being thrown overboard ......... don't come to close. This turds for you! ==================== For what it's worth, sealing the core is really not difficult to do. Drill the hole, apply epoxy to the core and let it soak in, reapplying it over the fifteen minutes or so it takes to get tacky to ensure that the entire exposed core surface takes all the epoxy it can, then bed the deck pump-out fitting carefully. |
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Benning Wentworth fumed:
From what I read here, your reply and your listing as an expert on all things poop, it seems to me you are in the turd business to make money. You cavalierly write that a deck fitting is no big deal, just drill it, and cap it. Sure,,, and when Mr Sailboat owner is facing a wet core deck, will you be there to fix it? And, for what. A pump out that almost every boat owner has but never uses? This is beyond stupid. To spend all kinds of money, drill holes in the deck of an old sailboat, so that a holding tank that will never get used is in place is nutty. If you are behind my boat and you see a blue bucket and it is being thrown overboard ......... don't come to close. This turds for you! ==================== "Peggie Hall" wrote in message et... Some helpful advice. snip Every boat I have been on in awhile has had a head with holding tank and deck pumpout. In each boat the head and tank normally gets used, as does the pumpout. The boat I most frequently sail on usually has multiple people on it at any time, and the pumpout gets used frequently. With just a small amount of care and patience you can have a sealed core and sealed deck fitting that will likely never leak and never get a wet core from that fitting. If you think the rest of your old boat isn't going to leak from factory installed fittings, winches, hatches, windows, etc. you're dreamin... And as for Peggy, she gives quite a lot of detailed help to people here, and useful advice and information in general. And she hasn't asked for anything in return. So there's no need to get yer shorts all in a knot. So if you don't mind having a leaky pumpout hose down in the cabin suckin your stuff out, along with the everpresent possibility of a nice spill, then go for it. Or maybe you can get rid of that pesky head and just take a dump in your bilge and use the bilge pump since the odiferous effect in your boat will be the same. |
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Hrumpf! There is always a jackass in the group.
For what it is worth Peggie is well recognized in the marine business as an expert in marine sanitation but she has been retired for a few years now so she doesn't have any motive other than to try and help us avoid problems, both sanitary and legal. Installing a deck pump out is no big thing. Even with a cored deck you just drill your hole through the top ply, dig out the core for half inch or so around the hole, fill with epoxy and after it cures drill through. Then set the fitting in a quality marine sealant. Except for the time required for the epoxy to cure it will take maybe 20 minutes. You better hope that nobody around you sees that blue bucket in use and reports to the USCG or other authority or you will have a whole creek full of it and no paddle to worry about rather than just a bucket. -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com " |
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Benning Wentworth wrote:
From what I read here, your reply and your listing as an expert on all things poop, it seems to me you are in the turd business to make money. And just what does it seem to you that I'm in the business to make money on? I do get paid to consult, but that's all I do any more...and the advice I offer here is free. So just what is it that you think I'm trying to sell you? You cavalierly write that a deck fitting is no big deal, just drill it, and cap it. Sure,,, and when Mr Sailboat owner is facing a wet core deck, Not if you do it right. Or have it done by someone who does know how to do it right. There are hundred of thousands of boats that have deck pumpout fittings...I've yet to here of a single one that resulted in a wet core. will you be there to fix it? If I were the one who installed it, yes. If you are behind my boat and you see a blue bucket and it is being thrown overboard ......... don't come to close. You'd prob'ly be too intent on "shooting the messenger" that you won't notice that I'd be upwind of you. ;} Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://shop.sailboatowners.com/books...ku=90&cat=1304 |
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Benning Wentworth wrote:
From what I read here, your reply and your listing as an expert on all things poop, it seems to me you are in the turd business to make money. Yet another example of proving to the world what a total f**king idiot you are. Lew |
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Benning Wentworth wrote: From what I read here, your reply and your listing as an expert on all things poop, And, for what. A pump out that almost every boat owner has but never uses? If its the law you do it or pay the bucks to Uncle Sam. Kinda like pot. Somoke it an themn pay the price if get caught. This is beyond stupid. To spend all kinds of money, drill holes in the deck of an old sailboat, so that a holding tank that will never get used is in place is nutty. Might take an afternoon. I just drilled my 1 7/8" inch hole, set the 1 1/2" bronze ftting in the hole and gooed amply with sikaflex 295 or some number close to that. Oh, I forgot that I epoxy back filled the balsa core that I chewed out about 1 inch. total time about 4 hours with cure time and 4 beers. No big deal but very reasuring that my through deck bronze is good fo 20 years. If you are behind my boat and you see a blue bucket and it is being thrown overboard ......... don't come to close. Dont worry........ when out I rarley get more than vhf range to another boat. Seems safer that way. Oh, and I never go scuba diving with a "buddy." Thats the fastest way to get killed. Bob |
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Capt. JG wrote: Geez... remind me not to get on your boat until after it's been washed... how about using one of those portable units instead. Ya. but then ya gotta wash that out. I really dont enjoy swabing out a head. Besides havent ya ever heard of the phrase "**** on it?" there is a reason those words have been around for so many years. Bob |
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Yo Glenn ,,,, Assholemore .. when you start a reply by calling me a
Jackass, your posting can only go down hill. And your's did. Do you think I sit on my "blue bucket" in my cockpit and take a ****? I am crazy but not completely crazy. What I do do ... get it ... dod dodododooddo ..... that is poop Glenn. Take a **** in my bucket and then take my bucket up on deck, throw overboard. Soon my bucket is back on deck, nice and clean. No smell below, no flys below, no cleaning up the head which I use as a flower pot or when ladies of the night and day join me on the water. As for the hole in the boat, core issue. It is easy to put the hole in, yes. But I hate drilling any holes in my boat; period. I don't want to be a chapter in DIY the Marine Maintenance Magazine. "How I fixed the core around my pump out hole". ==== "Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message news:tYGSg.10831$rg1.1301@dukeread01... Hrumpf! There is always a jackass in the group. For what it is worth Peggie is well recognized in the marine business as an expert in marine sanitation but she has been retired for a few years now so she doesn't have any motive other than to try and help us avoid problems, both sanitary and legal. Installing a deck pump out is no big thing. Even with a cored deck you just drill your hole through the top ply, dig out the core for half inch or so around the hole, fill with epoxy and after it cures drill through. Then set the fitting in a quality marine sealant. Except for the time required for the epoxy to cure it will take maybe 20 minutes. You better hope that nobody around you sees that blue bucket in use and reports to the USCG or other authority or you will have a whole creek full of it and no paddle to worry about rather than just a bucket. -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com " |
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Lew ................... wait ... isn't a toilet called a -----------
Loo The origin of the (chiefly British) term loo is unknown. However there are numerous theories. Some of these a That the word comes from nautical terminology; loo being an old fashioned word for lee. The standard nautical pronunciation (in British English) of leeward is looward or lieuward. Early ships were not fitted with toilets but the crew would urinate over the side of the vessel. However it was important to use the leeward side. Using the windward side would result in the urine blown back on board. (The phrases '****ing into the wind' and 'spitting into the wind' also refer to this problem.) Even on modern yachts, most (male) yachtsmen, whilst at sea, find it more convenient to go to the loo, than to use the heads. Lew/Loo ..................... you are named after a "toilet". When I am out on my boat, my cheeks are flexing over my beautiful blue bucket ... LOO ... named Lew ......... I will think of YOU "Here it comes Lew" ... another bucket of **** in my Loo. My LOO named Lew. ================================================== ==================== "Lew Hodgett" wrote in message ink.net... Benning Wentworth wrote: From what I read here, your reply and your listing as an expert on all things poop, it seems to me you are in the turd business to make money. Yet another example of proving to the world what a total f**king idiot you are. Lew |
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You don't suppose this is the reincarnation of the Key Largo mailman or the
Speedo king do you? (I hesitate to say their names for fear of resurrecting them from the depths.) -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com "Lew Hodgett" wrote in message ink.net... Benning Wentworth wrote: From what I read here, your reply and your listing as an expert on all things poop, it seems to me you are in the turd business to make money. Yet another example of proving to the world what a total f**king idiot you are. Lew |
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Glenn Ashmore wrote:
You don't suppose this is the reincarnation of the Key Largo mailman or the Speedo king do you? (I hesitate to say their names for fear of resurrecting them from the depths.) No. He's a jackass of a different stripe. He's beginning to make the others sound good by comparison. |
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With the attitude you've shown towards Peggy, I'm
really hoping that the coasties see your turds and award you one of those $5k fines for dumping sewage overboard within the 3 mile limit. The law is the law, and just because you don't agree with it does not nullify the penalties. Good luck to you, Don W. Benning Wentworth wrote: From what I read here, your reply and your listing as an expert on all things poop, it seems to me you are in the turd business to make money. You cavalierly write that a deck fitting is no big deal, just drill it, and cap it. Sure,,, and when Mr Sailboat owner is facing a wet core deck, will you be there to fix it? And, for what. A pump out that almost every boat owner has but never uses? This is beyond stupid. To spend all kinds of money, drill holes in the deck of an old sailboat, so that a holding tank that will never get used is in place is nutty. If you are behind my boat and you see a blue bucket and it is being thrown overboard ......... don't come to close. This turds for you! |
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Jeff wrote: Glenn Ashmore wrote: You don't suppose this is the reincarnation of the Key Largo mailman or the Speedo king do you? (I hesitate to say their names for fear of resurrecting them from the depths.) No. He's a jackass of a different stripe. He's beginning to make the others sound good by comparison. I agree. Just from reading his replies to others I'm going to plonk him on general principles. plonk Wentworth Don W. |
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Benning Wentworth inscribed in red ink for all to know:
From what I read here, your reply and your listing as an expert on all things poop, it seems to me you are in the turd business to make money. You cavalierly write that a deck fitting is no big deal, just drill it, and cap it. Sure,,, and when Mr Sailboat owner is facing a wet core deck, will you be there to fix it? And, for what. A pump out that almost every boat owner has but never uses? This is beyond stupid. To spend all kinds of money, drill holes in the deck of an old sailboat, so that a holding tank that will never get used is in place is nutty. If you are behind my boat and you see a blue bucket and it is being thrown overboard ......... don't come to close. This turds for you! ==================== "Peggie Hall" wrote in message et... Small Sailboat wrote: The problem, as I see it, is that putting in a deck pumpout fitting means another hole in the boat. And holes in boats are VERY BAD. A deck pumpout fitting is just what the name implies--a DECK fitting. It's not a thru-hull...it's WAY above the waterline. It doesn't rely on a seacock, it has a threaded cap with a rubber o-ring under it that seals it. The deck core is exposed, the fitting needs to be sealed... With a proper bedding compound. ,, and who knows what down the line. An occasional rebedding. Which is nothing compared to maintaining toilet and tank. And for what? So that a few gallons of poop can be pumped out? To where? To a sewage treatment plant that MAY treat it before it goes into the water...unless the plant has a spill. One boat had a very nice bucket. The Capt told me he uses the bucket and throws the poop overboard. Ok at sea beyond the "3 mile limit," but just as illegal as flushing a toilet directly overboard or dumping a tank inside it. Don't complain to me about it...I didn't write the laws, I'm just the messenger who can only tell you what's legal and what's not. Peggie "Peggie Hall" wrote in message .com... Sailboat wrote: I have an old sailboat. The head doesn't have a holding tank. It discharges overboard. I wonder, can I get a holding tank but not drill through the deck for a pump out? It depends on where you are. If you're in coastal water that provide immediate access to open sea at least 3 miles from the nearest point on the whole US coastline, you can get away with only an overboard discharge for the tank. But if you're on inland waters or a large bay that would make it impractical to get far enough offshore to dump a tank legally, you'll have to have a pumpout fitting. The alternative would be some kind of setup that would allow the pumpout to be connected directly to the tank or into it through a cleanout port...but pumpout hoses dribble. I wouldn't think you want to bring one into the boat. Several others have suggested replacing your toilet with a portapotty. If you won't use it much, that may be the best way to go. However, if you have to carry it off the boat to empty it, you don't want a tank bigger than 2-3 gallons...'cuz waste and water weigh 8.333 lbs/gal, which would make a 5-6 gallon tank weigh about 50 lbs...a LOT to carry off the boat and haul up a dock. Otoh, I don't know what the big deal is about putting in a deck pumpout fitting. That's what 99% of all older boat owners have had to do. Tell me about holding tanks with old heads. For starters, heads do have a finite lifespan....they wear out, break...mfrs discontinue offering ANY parts for 'em. So depending upon the make/model/age of yours, you're prob'ly better off replacing it and starting ov4er with complete new system--toilet, tank, plumbing etc. As for connecting a tank to an old toilet, that's no different from connecting a tank to new toilet. -- Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://shop.sailboatowners.com/books...ku=90&cat=1304 Wow - that's a lot of fear over a cored deck. Take a good look at your deck - there are surely a huge number of penetrations... starting with the windows and hatches. Add in all the fittings, handrails, chainplates, mountings for blocks, winches, the mast (or maybe just the screws holding a tabernacle if it is deck mounted), stantions, windlass, bow pulpit, stern pulpit, water inlet(s), fuel inlet(s), nav lites, radio antennas, etc. Let me assure you that it would be a miracle if each and every one of these was done properly (core dug out and replaced with filled epoxy around the periphery of the hole). Take a good look, and ask yourself why you are concerned about just one more (especially if you do it right)? Also, insulting Peggy, who has given freely of professional-grade consulting to all comers here, demonstrates a lack of courtesy, common sense, maturity, and perhaps intelligence. Please don't do it again. bob |
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On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 08:59:56 -0700, RW Salnick
wrote: Also, insulting Peggy, who has given freely of professional-grade consulting to all comers here, demonstrates a lack of courtesy, common sense, maturity, and perhaps intelligence. Bob, the only change I would make to your sentence is to insert the words "once again" before "demonstrates". Mr. Wentworth will henceforth reside, and possibly defecate, in my bozo bin. |
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Do you really have to do it that often? I usually find a woman who is more
grossed out than I am to do it (grins). Please don't tell she-who-must-be-obeyed this. :-) -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Bob" wrote in message ups.com... Capt. JG wrote: Geez... remind me not to get on your boat until after it's been washed... how about using one of those portable units instead. Ya. but then ya gotta wash that out. I really dont enjoy swabing out a head. Besides havent ya ever heard of the phrase "**** on it?" there is a reason those words have been around for so many years. Bob |
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In article njFSg.3012$8U2.2787@trndny08, says...
(Snip) Jerk! (Plonk!) |
My head ,, it doesn't have a holding tank ,, question
Benning Wentworth wrote:
Do you think I sit on my "blue bucket" in my cockpit and take a ****? There is no way of guessing what you might do. I am crazy but not completely crazy. Crazy isn't the problem. Stupid is the problem. Take a **** in my bucket and then take my bucket up on deck, throw overboard. Soon my bucket is back on deck, nice and clean. And soon the USCG and/or other law enforcement agency is handing you a nice $5000 min fine. No smell below, no flys below, no cleaning up the head which I use as a flower pot or when ladies of the night and day join me on the water. No, you just have to sail around in ****. You may like it, other people do not. What makes you think indoor plumbing has smells & flies? Mine doesn't, nor anybody else I know. These things have been worked out since the days of the Roman Empire. It should be no mystery to a modern man. As for the hole in the boat, core issue. It is easy to put the hole in, yes. But I hate drilling any holes in my boat; period. That's because you have not learned how to work on fiberglass. There is really no good reason (to a person with the right skills) to NOT drill a hole in your boat. If, for any reason, you desire to remove the hole, it can be made as strong as the original material, with nary a blemish to show it was ever there. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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