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Harbin Osteen August 25th 06 01:14 AM

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http://www.ecorider.us/

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digitalmaster August 25th 06 01:24 AM

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"Harbin Osteen" wrote in message
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http://www.ecorider.us/

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anybody know of a diesel power 4 wheel atv?



Eeyore August 25th 06 01:45 AM

Diesel powered bike, will run on biodiesel
 


Harbin Osteen wrote:

http://www.ecorider.us/


What's the purpose of one of those ?

Graham


(PeteCresswell) August 25th 06 01:54 AM

Diesel powered bike, will run on biodiesel
 
Per digitalmaster:
anybody know of a diesel power 4 wheel atv?


Saw one at the beach last week - but cannot recall make/model.
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PeteCresswell

Harbin Osteen August 25th 06 06:27 AM

Diesel powered bike, will run on biodiesel
 
If you make your own bio-diesel you have a utility vehicle that can tow a
trailer
to do some usefull work around the property, or use it for hunting. It was
said that
it gets about 130 miles per gallon in one article that I read. It would also
be great
for some boaters that cruise to undevloped areas. You can fuel it from your
own
fuel tanks, and cruise from your ancorage to explore, or restock your
supplies that
you may have to lug for some distance. This has been a problem for some who
cruise the cannals in Europe, where some barges are large enough to carry a
car, some are not.

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"Eeyore" wrote in
message ...


Harbin Osteen wrote:

http://www.ecorider.us/


What's the purpose of one of those ?

Graham




Eeyore August 25th 06 07:41 AM

Diesel powered bike, will run on biodiesel
 


Harbin Osteen wrote:

If you make your own bio-diesel you have a utility vehicle that can tow a
trailer
to do some usefull work around the property, or use it for hunting. It was
said that
it gets about 130 miles per gallon in one article that I read. It would also
be great
for some boaters that cruise to undevloped areas. You can fuel it from your
own
fuel tanks, and cruise from your ancorage to explore, or restock your
supplies that
you may have to lug for some distance. This has been a problem for some who
cruise the cannals in Europe, where some barges are large enough to carry a
car, some are not.


When I've been on canal trips we had no trouble walking to the shops actually.
It makes for a fun kind of holiday btw.

Graham


MMC August 25th 06 03:14 PM

Diesel powered bike, will run on biodiesel
 
Actually it's a grown up version of the Tote Goat or offroad mini bike.
Lot's of uses, and excuses to buy one for fun;)
http://users.infoconex.com/~ramrod/tgland.htm

"Eeyore" wrote in
message ...


Harbin Osteen wrote:

http://www.ecorider.us/


What's the purpose of one of those ?

Graham




MMC August 25th 06 03:19 PM

Diesel powered bike, will run on biodiesel
 

"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 01:45:00 +0100, Eeyore
said:

http://www.ecorider.us/


What's the purpose of one of those ?


They give enviros orgasms over how they're saving the universe by burning
something other than petroleum products.


Yeah, what a bunch of wackos; caring about the environment, greenhouse
emmisions, limited resources, crap like that.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:
Biodiesel refers to a diesel-equivalent, processed fuel derived from
biological sources. Though derived from biological sources, it's a processed
fuel that can be readily used in diesel-engined vehicles, which
distinguishes biodiesel from the straight vegetable oils (SVO) or waste
vegetable oils (WVO) used as fuels in some modified diesel vehicles.

In this article's context, biodiesel refers to alkyl esters made from the
transesterification of both vegetable oils and/or animal fats. Biodiesel is
biodegradable and non-toxic, and has significantly fewer emissions than
petroleum-based diesel when burned. Biodiesel functions in current diesel
engines, and can supplement fossil fuels as the world's primary transport
energy source.

Biodiesel can be distributed using today's infrastructure, and its use and
production are increasing rapidly. Fuel stations are beginning to make
biodiesel available to consumers, and a growing number of transport fleets
use it as an additive in their fuel. Biodiesel is generally more expensive
to purchase than petroleum diesel, but can be made at home for much cheaper
than either. This differential may diminish due to economies of scale, the
rising cost of petroleum and government tax subsidies.



Larry August 25th 06 04:58 PM

Diesel powered bike, will run on biodiesel
 
"Harbin Osteen" wrote in
:

It was
said that
it gets about 130 miles per gallon in one article that I read. It
would also be great
for some boaters that cruise to undevloped areas. You can fuel it from
your own
fuel tanks, and cruise from your ancorage to explore, or restock your
supplies that
you may have to lug for some distance. This has been a problem for
some who cruise the cannals in Europe, where some barges are large
enough to carry a car, some are not.



I wonder how may "miles-per-centrifugal-clutch" it gets on biodiesel?

I remember centrifugal clutches from many small vehicles. "Self-
consuming" comes to mind.

Note to boaters....it ISN'T street legal in the USA. Point moot.

Those concerned with the environment can reduce emissions to zero by NOT
buying one of these and STAYING HOME. How many are towed on a trailer by
some environazi behind their Ford Expedition?....(c;

Yeah, right....

My nuclear-powered scooter works great on the boats. Folds flat for easy
storage and recharging:
http://tinyurl.com/q7hj6

16 miles at 8mph. Also not street legal, but our cops treat it like a
geriatric electric vehicle so you can ride it on the scooter-friendly
sidewalks without harassment...(c; Recharges in about 3 hours from dead.



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steamer August 25th 06 05:00 PM

Diesel powered bike, will run on biodiesel
 
In alt.energy.homepower MMC wrote:
Actually it's a grown up version of the Tote Goat or offroad mini bike.
Lot's of uses, and excuses to buy one for fun;)
http://users.infoconex.com/~ramrod/tgland.htm


--Neat site; thanks for the link! FWIW one of the great things about
the Tote Goat is the box-section frame, which provides a *lot* of real
estate for engine hacking. A friend of mine runs a steam power plant in his
as it's got room on board for Propane fuel, flash boiler and a honkin' big
water tank. Not sure what the range is, but it's decidedly low tech and has
a real third world flavor, heh.

--
"Steamboat Ed" Haas : Proud to be the
Hacking the Trailing Edge! : family crackpot!
www.nmpproducts.com
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You August 25th 06 08:17 PM

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In article ,
"digitalmaster" wrote:

"Harbin Osteen" wrote in message
...
http://www.ecorider.us/

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anybody know of a diesel power 4 wheel atv?



Yea, they call them "tractors" around these parts...

Jere Lull August 25th 06 08:50 PM

Diesel powered bike, will run on biodiesel
 
In article ,
Dave wrote:

On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 14:19:24 GMT, "MMC" said:

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:


Gee, dya think the author of that article might have an agenda? Nah, just
pure scientific fact, right?


If he does, SOMEone will correct it. I've seen a few studies where
researchers have found Wiki to be at least as accurate and unbiased as
the best of the traditional sources, better than most. On the subjects I
know, I found it FAR better than Encarta.

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Harbin Osteen August 26th 06 12:58 AM

Diesel powered bike, will run on biodiesel
 
Yea Larry, if you are always tied to a dock in the US, you would not
need somthing
like this, and not being street legal would be revelant, but if you are a
long range
cruiser, say crusising Thailand, and your trawler battaries went to crap,
and you had
to pack new ones back to the boat, I would find this bike a lot more useful
than a
electric scooter, and you could jumper the new boat battires to your
scooter, and
it's still not going to make it back.
You may not have a use for this bike, but I posted this here because
some
might find the info useful.

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"Larry" wrote in message
...
"Harbin Osteen" wrote in
:

It was
said that
it gets about 130 miles per gallon in one article that I read. It
would also be great
for some boaters that cruise to undevloped areas. You can fuel it from
your own
fuel tanks, and cruise from your ancorage to explore, or restock your
supplies that
you may have to lug for some distance. This has been a problem for
some who cruise the cannals in Europe, where some barges are large
enough to carry a car, some are not.



I wonder how may "miles-per-centrifugal-clutch" it gets on biodiesel?

I remember centrifugal clutches from many small vehicles. "Self-
consuming" comes to mind.

Note to boaters....it ISN'T street legal in the USA. Point moot.

Those concerned with the environment can reduce emissions to zero by NOT
buying one of these and STAYING HOME. How many are towed on a trailer by
some environazi behind their Ford Expedition?....(c;

Yeah, right....

My nuclear-powered scooter works great on the boats. Folds flat for easy
storage and recharging:
http://tinyurl.com/q7hj6

16 miles at 8mph. Also not street legal, but our cops treat it like a
geriatric electric vehicle so you can ride it on the scooter-friendly
sidewalks without harassment...(c; Recharges in about 3 hours from dead.



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You can tell because none of them ever called Earth.




Larry August 26th 06 05:01 PM

Diesel powered bike, will run on biodiesel
 
"Harbin Osteen" wrote in
:

Yea Larry, if you are always tied to a dock in the US, you would
not
need somthing
like this, and not being street legal would be revelant, but if you
are a long range
cruiser, say crusising Thailand, and your trawler battaries went to
crap, and you had
to pack new ones back to the boat, I would find this bike a lot more
useful than a
electric scooter, and you could jumper the new boat battires to your
scooter, and
it's still not going to make it back.
You may not have a use for this bike, but I posted this here
because
some
might find the info useful.



So, to answer my question, how many miles DOES it get to a centrifugal
clutch? How many dealers are there in Thailand to fix it while I'm crusing
around from bar to bar? Where do I get parts in the US, even, tractor
dealers??...(c;

Oh, by the way, are YOU involved selling this bike?......

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Larry August 26th 06 05:07 PM

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You wrote in news:You-918FB8.11182225082006
@netnews.worldnet.att.net:

Yea, they call them "tractors" around these parts...



http://www.deere.com/servlet/ProdCat...620%20RW&tM=FR
Cool! Somehow I don't think, just like Harbin's product, we have a place
to STORE it on the boat.....Maybe we could tow a barge, though...(c;

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Dale Eastman August 26th 06 05:26 PM

Diesel powered bike, will run on biodiesel
 


Larry wrote:

You wrote in news:You-918FB8.11182225082006
@netnews.worldnet.att.net:


Yea, they call them "tractors" around these parts...




http://www.deere.com/servlet/ProdCat...620%20RW&tM=FR
Cool! Somehow I don't think, just like Harbin's product, we have a place
to STORE it on the boat.....Maybe we could tow a barge, though...(c;


Them weigh upwards to 47,000 pounds. This might fit better:
http://www.deere.com/en_US/ProductCatalog/HO/servlet/com.deere.u90785.cce.productcatalog.view.servlets. ProdCatProduct?pNbr=1971W&tM=HO&link=enav


Larry August 26th 06 09:32 PM

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Dale Eastman wrote in news:TC_Hg.1792$bM.393
@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net:

Them weigh upwards to 47,000 pounds.


Hmm...I may have overestimated how much a 22' sloop can float...(c;

With all those tractor tires hanging over BOTH sides, however, we should be
able to plane her with the 500hp diesel in "road gear"....(c;



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You can tell because none of them ever called Earth.

[email protected] August 26th 06 10:09 PM

Diesel powered bike, will run on biodiesel
 

steamer wrote:
In alt.energy.homepower MMC wrote:
Actually it's a grown up version of the Tote Goat or offroad mini bike.
Lot's of uses, and excuses to buy one for fun;)
http://users.infoconex.com/~ramrod/tgland.htm


--Neat site; thanks for the link! FWIW one of the great things about
the Tote Goat is the box-section frame, which provides a *lot* of real
estate for engine hacking. A friend of mine runs a steam power plant in his
as it's got room on board for Propane fuel, flash boiler and a honkin' big
water tank. Not sure what the range is, but it's decidedly low tech and has
a real third world flavor, heh.

--
"Steamboat Ed" Haas : Proud to be the
Hacking the Trailing Edge! : family crackpot!
www.nmpproducts.com
---Decks a-wash in a sea of words---


Biodiesel is just replacing one type of emission with another - and it
takes a lot of power to harvest/process the stuff. For these types of
purposes, there is an ancient form of power, called human power.
Imagine having a utility bicycle/tricycle on board with appropriate
gearing. ALthough maybe in certain situations probably a bit slower,
it is probably overall faster with no tuning, centrifugal clutches to
maintain, fueling, finding fuel - someone mentioned cruising in far off
places needing to go get batteries. Are you carrying a large tank of
biodiesel on your intercontinental cruises? I reckon a good utility
bicycle would be lighter, easier to stow on board, cleaner, cheaper,
less time consuming, and 98% as useful. Sounds like a good tradeoff to
me.


Eeyore August 26th 06 10:38 PM

Diesel powered bike, will run on biodiesel
 


wrote:

Biodiesel is just replacing one type of emission with another - and it
takes a lot of power to harvest/process the stuff. For these types of
purposes, there is an ancient form of power, called human power.
Imagine having a utility bicycle/tricycle on board with appropriate
gearing. ALthough maybe in certain situations probably a bit slower,
it is probably overall faster with no tuning, centrifugal clutches to
maintain, fueling, finding fuel - someone mentioned cruising in far off
places needing to go get batteries. Are you carrying a large tank of
biodiesel on your intercontinental cruises? I reckon a good utility
bicycle would be lighter, easier to stow on board, cleaner, cheaper,
less time consuming, and 98% as useful. Sounds like a good tradeoff to
me.


No it doesn't.

Graham



DSK August 27th 06 12:00 AM

Diesel powered bike, will run on biodiesel
 
wrote:
biodiesel on your intercontinental cruises? I reckon a good utility
bicycle would be lighter, easier to stow on board, cleaner, cheaper,
less time consuming, and 98% as useful. Sounds like a good tradeoff to
me.


Wrong

"Civilization" can be defined as seeking to avoid any form
of physical exertion, whatever, no matter how productive or
healthy.

DSK


Eeyore August 27th 06 12:38 AM

Diesel powered bike, will run on biodiesel
 


DSK wrote:

wrote:
biodiesel on your intercontinental cruises? I reckon a good utility
bicycle would be lighter, easier to stow on board, cleaner, cheaper,
less time consuming, and 98% as useful. Sounds like a good tradeoff to
me.


Wrong

"Civilization" can be defined as seeking to avoid any form
of physical exertion, whatever, no matter how productive or
healthy.


Civilisation is defined as living in cities actually.

Only Americans need personal vehicles at all times to avoid using their legs.

Graham


Dale Eastman August 27th 06 03:00 AM

Diesel powered bike, will run on biodiesel
 


wrote:

Biodiesel is just replacing one type of emission with another - and it
takes a lot of power to harvest/process the stuff.


One square mile is 640 acres.
One square mile is 5280 feet by 5280 feet.
A tractor pulling a 30 foot wide disc plow will requi

5280/30 = 176 passes. That's 176 linear miles to plow the entire 640
acres.

Now the next question is, how much horsepower (fuel consumed) to cover
the 176 miles?

And then there are the herbicide/pesticide/fertilizer/harvest passes also.

Take it away Nick.


Harbin Osteen August 27th 06 03:57 AM

Diesel powered bike, will run on biodiesel
 
Larry:
I don't own, or sell these, and I don't know anybody that has one.
I did not know that there is such a problem with all centrifugal
clutches, but if there is a problem that you know of, would it not
be prudent to carry a spare or two? Kind of save you some time
for crusing bar to bar, right?

"Larry" wrote in message
...
"Harbin Osteen" wrote in
:

Yea Larry, if you are always tied to a dock in the US, you would
not
need somthing
like this, and not being street legal would be revelant, but if you
are a long range
cruiser, say crusising Thailand, and your trawler battaries went to
crap, and you had
to pack new ones back to the boat, I would find this bike a lot more
useful than a
electric scooter, and you could jumper the new boat battires to your
scooter, and
it's still not going to make it back.
You may not have a use for this bike, but I posted this here
because
some
might find the info useful.



So, to answer my question, how many miles DOES it get to a centrifugal
clutch? How many dealers are there in Thailand to fix it while I'm
crusing
around from bar to bar? Where do I get parts in the US, even, tractor
dealers??...(c;

Oh, by the way, are YOU involved selling this bike?......

--
There's amazing intelligence in the Universe.
You can tell because none of them ever called Earth.




David J. Hughes August 27th 06 04:05 AM

Diesel powered bike, will run on biodiesel
 
Dale Eastman wrote:



wrote:

Biodiesel is just replacing one type of emission with another - and it
takes a lot of power to harvest/process the stuff.



One square mile is 640 acres.
One square mile is 5280 feet by 5280 feet.
A tractor pulling a 30 foot wide disc plow will requi

5280/30 = 176 passes. That's 176 linear miles to plow the entire 640 acres.

Now the next question is, how much horsepower (fuel consumed) to cover
the 176 miles?

And then there are the herbicide/pesticide/fertilizer/harvest passes also.

Take it away Nick.



300 gallons biodiesel produced per acre.
300 time 640 = 19200 gallons.

Tractor pulling 30' disc plow get @ 4 miles peer gallon
4 times 176 = 704 gallons

19200 over 704 = 27.3
or
704 over 19200 = 4%


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Harbin Osteen August 27th 06 04:06 AM

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Snip.....


Biodiesel is just replacing one type of emission with another - and it
takes a lot of power to harvest/process the stuff. For these types of
purposes, there is an ancient form of power, called human power.


Snip....

Yes, it does replace one emmission with another, but it is at least
a closed carbon cycle. You take up carbon when you grow the
crop (and my prefered crop is alge, which will double in 24 to
48 hours) and relese it when burned in combustion.
Human power is great, but not for everything, just as the
diesel bike is not good for everything, but fills a nitch that
could be useful to some.

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Harbin Osteen August 27th 06 04:08 AM

Diesel powered bike, will run on biodiesel
 
Grow alge, no tractor required.



"Dale Eastman" wrote in message
link.net...


wrote:

Biodiesel is just replacing one type of emission with another - and it
takes a lot of power to harvest/process the stuff.


One square mile is 640 acres.
One square mile is 5280 feet by 5280 feet.
A tractor pulling a 30 foot wide disc plow will requi

5280/30 = 176 passes. That's 176 linear miles to plow the entire 640
acres.

Now the next question is, how much horsepower (fuel consumed) to cover the
176 miles?

And then there are the herbicide/pesticide/fertilizer/harvest passes also.

Take it away Nick.




[email protected] August 27th 06 04:54 AM

Diesel powered bike, will run on biodiesel
 
Dale Eastman wrote:

... how much horsepower (fuel consumed) to cover the 176 miles?

Take it away Nick.


Foist, the question might be "how many horsepower-HOURS" of energy?"

And how much force times 176 miles?

Nick


Dale Eastman August 27th 06 05:03 AM

Diesel powered bike, will run on biodiesel
 


David J. Hughes wrote:

Dale Eastman wrote:



wrote:

Biodiesel is just replacing one type of emission with another - and it
takes a lot of power to harvest/process the stuff.




One square mile is 640 acres.
One square mile is 5280 feet by 5280 feet.
A tractor pulling a 30 foot wide disc plow will requi

5280/30 = 176 passes. That's 176 linear miles to plow the entire 640
acres.

Now the next question is, how much horsepower (fuel consumed) to cover
the 176 miles?

And then there are the herbicide/pesticide/fertilizer/harvest passes
also.

Take it away Nick.



300 gallons biodiesel produced per acre.
300 time 640 = 19200 gallons.

Tractor pulling 30' disc plow get @ 4 miles peer gallon
4 times 176 = 704 gallons

19200 over 704 = 27.3
or
704 over 19200 = 4%


Worst case (the disk plowing will have the highest power requirement)
is 5 times over the field or 5 times 704 gallons = 3520 gallons
or 18%. Should do much better though.

Per BP annual energy report:

Million barrels per day:
Gasolines 9.436
Middle distillates 6.087
Fuel oil .795
Others 4.199
Total USA 20.517
http://www.bp.com/productlanding.do?...tentId=7017990


9.436 million barrels times 42 gallons / barrel divided by (19200-704)
gallons yield per square mile = approximately 21,427 square miles to
meet our transportation demand.

Have you got a link to support that 300 gallons per acre?

The following numbers are gallons per acre.

macadamia nuts 240
brazil nuts 255
avocado 282
coconut 287
oil palm 635
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html

The oil palm tree is a tropical plant which commonly grows in warm
climates at altitudes of less than 1,600 feet above sea level. There
is one species, the Noli or Elaeis oleifera (H.B.K) Cortes which is
native of America; another species is Elaeis guineensis Jacq. which
originates from the Gulf of Guinea in West Africa (hence its
scientific name) and better known as the African oil palm.
http://www.fedepalma.org/oil_palm.htm

Palm Oil, an ingredient found in many everyday products, is
contributing to the rapid destruction of rainforests. Orangutan
habitat in Sumatra and Borneo is being clear-felled at an alarming
rate for conversion to oil palm plantations. The orangutan, perilously
close to extinction, is suffering profoundly as a result.
http://www.safepalmoil.org/



Dale Eastman August 27th 06 05:05 AM

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Oil yields are...?

See my other post.

Harbin Osteen wrote:

Grow alge, no tractor required.



"Dale Eastman" wrote in message
link.net...


wrote:


Biodiesel is just replacing one type of emission with another - and it
takes a lot of power to harvest/process the stuff.


One square mile is 640 acres.
One square mile is 5280 feet by 5280 feet.
A tractor pulling a 30 foot wide disc plow will requi

5280/30 = 176 passes. That's 176 linear miles to plow the entire 640
acres.

Now the next question is, how much horsepower (fuel consumed) to cover the
176 miles?

And then there are the herbicide/pesticide/fertilizer/harvest passes also.

Take it away Nick.





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Dale Eastman August 27th 06 05:11 AM

Diesel powered bike, will run on biodiesel
 


wrote:

Dale Eastman wrote:


... how much horsepower (fuel consumed) to cover the 176 miles?

Take it away Nick.



Foist, the question might be "how many horsepower-HOURS" of energy?"

And how much force times 176 miles?

Nick


Yes. That is the question required for a starting point...

And I dunno the answer.

I do know that the bigger tractors have 450+ horses available. We need
a farmer to give us (more like you ;) ) some actual fuel consumption
figures.


Harbin Osteen August 27th 06 05:46 AM

Diesel powered bike, will run on biodiesel
 
Hi Dale:
This site claims 2641 gallons per hector:
http://www.oilgae.com/algae/oil/yield/yield.html

Gallons of Oil per Acre per Year

Corn . . . . . . . 18

Soybeans . . . .48

Safflower. . . . . 83

Sunflower . . . 102

Rapeseed. . . 127

Oil Palm . . . . 635

Micro Algae . .5000-15000:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directo...from_Algae_Oil
The highest yield feedstock for biodiesel is hydroponic algae, which can
produce 250 times the amount per acre as soybeans.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biodiesel

Micro algaes present the best option for producing Bio Fuel such as
biodiesel in quantities sufficient to completely replace petroleum. While
traditional crops have yields of around 50-150 gallons of biodiesel per acre
per year, algaes can yield 5,000-20,000 gallons per acre per year.
http://www.solaroof.org/wiki/SolaRoof/MassAlgaeCulture

a.. Different algae species produce different amounts of oil. Some algae (
diatoms for instance) produce up to 50% oil by weight.
http://www.castoroil.in/reference/pl...sel_algae.html

a.. Soybean: 40 to 50 US gal/acre (40 to 50 m³/km²)
b.. Rapeseed: 110 to 145 US gal/acre (100 to 140 m³/km²)
c.. Mustard: 140 US gal/acre (130 m³/km²)
d.. Jatropha: 175 US gal/acre (160 m³/km²)
e.. Palm oil: 650 US gal/acre (610 m³/km²) [2]
f.. Algae: 10,000 to 20,000 US gal/acre (10,000 to 20,000 m³/km²)
http://www.biodieseltechnologiesindi...elsources.html

These are just a few sites, and I'm sure there are some more detailed sites
out there.

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"Dale Eastman" wrote in message
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Oil yields are...?

See my other post.

Harbin Osteen wrote:

Grow alge, no tractor required.



"Dale Eastman" wrote in message
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wrote:


Biodiesel is just replacing one type of emission with another - and it
takes a lot of power to harvest/process the stuff.

One square mile is 640 acres.
One square mile is 5280 feet by 5280 feet.
A tractor pulling a 30 foot wide disc plow will requi

5280/30 = 176 passes. That's 176 linear miles to plow the entire 640
acres.

Now the next question is, how much horsepower (fuel consumed) to cover
the 176 miles?

And then there are the herbicide/pesticide/fertilizer/harvest passes
also.

Take it away Nick.





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Dale Eastman August 27th 06 07:06 AM

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Thank you. The links give me something to read...

And a little more hope in Peak Oil.

Harbin Osteen wrote:

Hi Dale:
This site claims 2641 gallons per hector:
http://www.oilgae.com/algae/oil/yield/yield.html

Gallons of Oil per Acre per Year

Corn . . . . . . . 18

Soybeans . . . .48

Safflower. . . . . 83

Sunflower . . . 102

Rapeseed. . . 127

Oil Palm . . . . 635

Micro Algae . .5000-15000:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directo...from_Algae_Oil
The highest yield feedstock for biodiesel is hydroponic algae, which can
produce 250 times the amount per acre as soybeans.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biodiesel

Micro algaes present the best option for producing Bio Fuel such as
biodiesel in quantities sufficient to completely replace petroleum. While
traditional crops have yields of around 50-150 gallons of biodiesel per acre
per year, algaes can yield 5,000-20,000 gallons per acre per year.
http://www.solaroof.org/wiki/SolaRoof/MassAlgaeCulture

a.. Different algae species produce different amounts of oil. Some algae (
diatoms for instance) produce up to 50% oil by weight.
http://www.castoroil.in/reference/pl...sel_algae.html

a.. Soybean: 40 to 50 US gal/acre (40 to 50 m³/km²)
b.. Rapeseed: 110 to 145 US gal/acre (100 to 140 m³/km²)
c.. Mustard: 140 US gal/acre (130 m³/km²)
d.. Jatropha: 175 US gal/acre (160 m³/km²)
e.. Palm oil: 650 US gal/acre (610 m³/km²) [2]
f.. Algae: 10,000 to 20,000 US gal/acre (10,000 to 20,000 m³/km²)
http://www.biodieseltechnologiesindi...elsources.html

These are just a few sites, and I'm sure there are some more detailed sites
out there.


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digitalmaster August 27th 06 02:33 PM

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"Dale Eastman" wrote in message
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wrote:

Dale Eastman wrote:


... how much horsepower (fuel consumed) to cover the 176 miles?

Take it away Nick.



Foist, the question might be "how many horsepower-HOURS" of energy?"

And how much force times 176 miles?

Nick


Yes. That is the question required for a starting point...

And I dunno the answer.

I do know that the bigger tractors have 450+ horses available. We need a
farmer to give us (more like you ;) ) some actual fuel consumption
figures.

I saw a show on discovery channel about the worlds largest tractors.IIRC
they used about 1 gallon per acre for one pass plowing.



Wayne.B August 27th 06 03:56 PM

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On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 04:11:54 GMT, Dale Eastman
wrote:

I do know that the bigger tractors have 450+ horses available. We need
a farmer to give us (more like you ;) ) some actual fuel consumption
figures.


It's easy to get some ballpark estimates. If you assume a tractor
speed of 6 mph it will take about 30 hours to do a square mile. At
200 average horsepower that will require about 300 gallons of diesel.


Larry August 27th 06 04:12 PM

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"Harbin Osteen" wrote in news:WYmdneA-
:

Larry:
I don't own, or sell these, and I don't know anybody that has one.
I did not know that there is such a problem with all centrifugal
clutches, but if there is a problem that you know of, would it not
be prudent to carry a spare or two? Kind of save you some time
for crusing bar to bar, right?



Not an easy or fun change. I didn't see the space to carry around the gear
puller it takes to get one off the shaft and keyway, either. I've tore up
plenty in my "younger years"...(c;

This scooter is useless on most boats, anyway, as there's no place to STORE
it and if you left it on deck it would either end up a pile of solid rust
from the seawater spray or, due to its mass thrashing around, destroy the
boat and rigging on its way over the side, probably taking the handrails
with it.

Not many on the boat newsgroup have a 160' motoryacht with toy storage
garage in the stern....

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Dale Eastman August 27th 06 08:13 PM

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digitalmaster wrote:
"Dale Eastman" wrote in message
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wrote:


Dale Eastman wrote:



... how much horsepower (fuel consumed) to cover the 176 miles?

Take it away Nick.


Foist, the question might be "how many horsepower-HOURS" of energy?"

And how much force times 176 miles?

Nick


Yes. That is the question required for a starting point...

And I dunno the answer.

I do know that the bigger tractors have 450+ horses available. We need a
farmer to give us (more like you ;) ) some actual fuel consumption
figures.


I saw a show on discovery channel about the worlds largest tractors.IIRC
they used about 1 gallon per acre for one pass plowing.


Did you catch the width of the plow. Makes a little difference.

30' wide is approx.:
176/640 = .275 miles per acre.

Where 176 is the number of passes (1 mile each) with a 30' wide plow
to cover 640 acres (1 mi. sq.).

1 gallon per acre equals 1 gallon per .275 miles.
1/.275 = 3.64 gallons per mile (not miles per gallon).

Now I'll post this and then likely find somebody beat me to the punch.


Tony Wesley August 27th 06 08:30 PM

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Dale Eastman wrote:

Now I'll post this and then likely find somebody beat me to the punch.


I'd rather get beat to the punch than to get punched to the beat.


Dale Eastman August 27th 06 08:57 PM

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Tony Wesley wrote:

Dale Eastman wrote:


Now I'll post this and then likely find somebody beat me to the punch.



I'd rather get beat to the punch than to get punched to the beat.



If I have to get punched to the beat, could we have a waltz?


[email protected] August 27th 06 10:46 PM

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Harbin Osteen wrote:
Snip.....


Biodiesel is just replacing one type of emission with another - and it
takes a lot of power to harvest/process the stuff. For these types of
purposes, there is an ancient form of power, called human power.


Snip....

Yes, it does replace one emmission with another, but it is at least
a closed carbon cycle. You take up carbon when you grow the
crop (and my prefered crop is alge, which will double in 24 to
48 hours) and relese it when burned in combustion.
Human power is great, but not for everything, just as the
diesel bike is not good for everything, but fills a nitch that
could be useful to some.


Okay - fair enough - biodiesel and powered equipment has its uses. My
point was that, although crossposted to many groups, the initial point
was a biodiesel motorbike onboard a cruising sailboat, which I think is
impractical, un-neseccary, and better tools exist to do that particular
job, ie human power. Biodiesel is a good replacement for fossil fuel,
but it does have environmental costs.


Eeyore August 27th 06 11:02 PM

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wrote:

............the initial point
was a biodiesel motorbike onboard a cruising sailboat, which I think is
impractical, un-neseccary, and better tools exist to do that particular
job, ie human power.


Using human power also keeps you fit ! Since this bike seems to be targeted at
the USA, I reckon its another ploy to increase the number of 400 lb ppl !

On my canal trips btw I've lost quite a bit of weight from running around,
working locks and the like and it feels great.

Graham



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