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Although I have been cruising for a number of years I still do not know the
amount of space needed to store food.
Some of the new sailboat are been equipped with only a 2.4 cubic foot front
opening frig and not other ice box.
When shopping for my new boat I wonder what to look for when it come to food
and water storage. I could benefit from other cruisers comments and
feedback.
TIA

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On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 13:06:13 GMT, wrote:

When shopping for my new boat I wonder what to look for when it come to food
and water storage. I could benefit from other cruisers comments and
feedback.

It depends a great deal on what type of cruising you do and how big a
boat you are talking about. If you are a coastal cruiser who can get
to a water dock and grocery store once or twice a week your needs are
much less than someone headed into the boondocks for many weeks at a
time.

I usually estimate water requirements at between 5 and 10 gallons per
person per day. That's on a boat with pressure water and a shower,
probably half that otherwise..

The need for refrigeration is highly dependant on your food choices
and personal preferences. Some people cruise with no refrigeration at
all. It can be done if you don't mind warm beverages, and use canned
or freeze dried foods. In my opinion the best refrigeration system
for long range cruising is an engine driven compressor coupled to
holding plates, next best is a good 12 volt system with holding
plates.

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You can cut that 5-10 gal per day by quite a bit by turning off the water
heater and electric pumps!
MMC

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 13:06:13 GMT, wrote:

When shopping for my new boat I wonder what to look for when it come to
food
and water storage. I could benefit from other cruisers comments and
feedback.

It depends a great deal on what type of cruising you do and how big a
boat you are talking about. If you are a coastal cruiser who can get
to a water dock and grocery store once or twice a week your needs are
much less than someone headed into the boondocks for many weeks at a
time.

I usually estimate water requirements at between 5 and 10 gallons per
person per day. That's on a boat with pressure water and a shower,
probably half that otherwise..

The need for refrigeration is highly dependant on your food choices
and personal preferences. Some people cruise with no refrigeration at
all. It can be done if you don't mind warm beverages, and use canned
or freeze dried foods. In my opinion the best refrigeration system
for long range cruising is an engine driven compressor coupled to
holding plates, next best is a good 12 volt system with holding
plates.

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On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 13:57:35 GMT, "MMC" wrote:

You can cut that 5-10 gal per day by quite a bit by turning off the water
heater and electric pumps!

You can cut consumption to zero if you turn off the pump but what's
the point? There are folks who cross oceans in small boats who wash
with salt water and have no refrigeration but that's an extreme not
likely to happen with most people.

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It is kinda hard to justify spending $75K to $250K or more for a boat to
cruise on if you have to live like you were in the 16th century.

--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 13:57:35 GMT, "MMC" wrote:

You can cut that 5-10 gal per day by quite a bit by turning off the water
heater and electric pumps!

You can cut consumption to zero if you turn off the pump but what's
the point? There are folks who cross oceans in small boats who wash
with salt water and have no refrigeration but that's an extreme not
likely to happen with most people.

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On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 09:24:24 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 13:06:13 GMT, wrote:


I usually estimate water requirements at between 5 and 10 gallons per
person per day. That's on a boat with pressure water and a shower,
probably half that otherwise..

In 25 years of cruising I have never consumed that much water.

Off shore - you sponge bath. Diskes are washed in sea water and
rinsed in fresh.

Coastal - one person can shower in a half gallon by using navy showers
(wet, turn off water, soap, rinse). We also drink bottled water; I
find that people will drink more, thereby reducing dehrydration and
other problems.

You do not need daily showers, remember the weekly bath. I sponge
bathed for 3 months when I had a hip to toe cast.

As an instructor, I teach people to use water sparingly. At your
rates, I would need to refill tanks or every 2 or 3 days. With a full
crew of 5, I can go a week. In areas like Desolation Sound, that is
essential, water is sparse. I hate having to go look for water.

As to the original question. Buy UTH milk, juice in tetra packs,
freeze meat beforehand and keep it next to the cooling plate. Keep
lettuce and salads as far from the cooling plate as possible to avoid
freezing. Store libations next the hull below the waterline to avoid
the need to cool. Use dried pasta. Potatoes, onions, apples, oranges
and many other fruits and vegetables do not need refrigeration, look
at how they are sold in the stores. Eggs keep if you turn them daily.

Avoid front opening fridges on sail boats, they are a poor use of
space, and spill when you open them. They also "let out the cold"
when you open them, increasing electricity use.

Jack

_________________________________________
Jack Dale
ISPA Yachtmaster Offshore Instructor
CYA Advanced Cruising Instructor
http://www.swiftsuresailing.com
_________________________________________

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UTH milk, I just want to make sure I read this correctly, is this the milk
that do not need refrigeration? I remember using some milk (1983) that
keeps for a long time as long as the container is not open. For some
reason or another I have not seen that type of milk on sale any more. Or is
it "Carnation Milk".

"Jack Dale" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 09:24:24 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 13:06:13 GMT, wrote:


I usually estimate water requirements at between 5 and 10 gallons per
person per day. That's on a boat with pressure water and a shower,
probably half that otherwise..

In 25 years of cruising I have never consumed that much water.

Off shore - you sponge bath. Diskes are washed in sea water and
rinsed in fresh.

Coastal - one person can shower in a half gallon by using navy showers
(wet, turn off water, soap, rinse). We also drink bottled water; I
find that people will drink more, thereby reducing dehrydration and
other problems.

You do not need daily showers, remember the weekly bath. I sponge
bathed for 3 months when I had a hip to toe cast.

As an instructor, I teach people to use water sparingly. At your
rates, I would need to refill tanks or every 2 or 3 days. With a full
crew of 5, I can go a week. In areas like Desolation Sound, that is
essential, water is sparse. I hate having to go look for water.

As to the original question. Buy UTH milk, juice in tetra packs,
freeze meat beforehand and keep it next to the cooling plate. Keep
lettuce and salads as far from the cooling plate as possible to avoid
freezing. Store libations next the hull below the waterline to avoid
the need to cool. Use dried pasta. Potatoes, onions, apples, oranges
and many other fruits and vegetables do not need refrigeration, look
at how they are sold in the stores. Eggs keep if you turn them daily.

Avoid front opening fridges on sail boats, they are a poor use of
space, and spill when you open them. They also "let out the cold"
when you open them, increasing electricity use.

Jack

_________________________________________
Jack Dale
ISPA Yachtmaster Offshore Instructor
CYA Advanced Cruising Instructor
http://www.swiftsuresailing.com
_________________________________________

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On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 11:43:18 +0100, Ian Malcolm
wrote:

wrote:
UTH milk, I just want to make sure I read this correctly, is this the milk
that do not need refrigeration? I remember using some milk (1983) that
keeps for a long time as long as the container is not open. For some
reason or another I have not seen that type of milk on sale any more. Or is
it "Carnation Milk".


Its UHT milk (NOT UTH)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra-high_temperature_processing
*MUCH* easier to buy something you have the correct name for. It
doesn't keep as well as fresh milk after opening and the larger cartons
for many brands over here are rather flimsy and can be difficult to
store on a boat. Try to find a brand that you can get in a size that
you finish a whole carton each day. A nearly full opened carton of
anything, but especially milk is a ****ing nuisance on passage as no
matter what you do it WILL leak so it usually has to be stood in the
sink. If you do put opened ones in the fridge, expect to be cleaning
out the bottom of the fridge weekly unless you want a stink that can
kill at twenty paces :-(

Yes - I was a little sloppy with the keyboard.

I usually buy the one litre size and find pack other items around it.

I know that we should not cry over spilled milk, but I can concur that
cleaning it out of a fridge is an awful job.

Jack

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"Jack Dale" wrote .

I usually buy the one litre size and find pack other items around it.

I know that we should not cry over spilled milk, but I can concur that
cleaning it out of a fridge is an awful job.

Speaking of spilled milk, has anyone come across some nice stainless wire
baskets to help organize a top loading box? I found some in chromed steel
but they will rust eventually.

--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

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On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 09:58:03 -0400, "Glenn Ashmore"
wrote:

"Jack Dale" wrote .

I usually buy the one litre size and find pack other items around it.

I know that we should not cry over spilled milk, but I can concur that
cleaning it out of a fridge is an awful job.

Speaking of spilled milk, has anyone come across some nice stainless wire
baskets to help organize a top loading box? I found some in chromed steel
but they will rust eventually.

Have you tried using plastic organizers? I have been on several
charter boats that use them. They work well.

Jack

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On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 09:58:03 -0400, "Glenn Ashmore"
wrote:

Speaking of spilled milk, has anyone come across some nice stainless wire
baskets to help organize a top loading box? I found some in chromed steel
but they will rust eventually.

We use the plastic Walmart type storage organizers in addition to the
wire rack about half way down the box. We haven't found the need but
it would be easy enough to cut holes in the plastic bins to improve
air flow.

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On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 03:33:23 GMT, Jack Dale
wrote:

I usually estimate water requirements at between 5 and 10 gallons per
person per day. That's on a boat with pressure water and a shower,
probably half that otherwise..

In 25 years of cruising I have never consumed that much water.

Off shore - you sponge bath. Diskes are washed in sea water and
rinsed in fresh.

Coastal - one person can shower in a half gallon by using navy showers
(wet, turn off water, soap, rinse). We also drink bottled water; I
find that people will drink more, thereby reducing dehrydration and
other problems.

Sure, that's all possible if you are roughing it on a small boat but
if you want to be a bit more civilized, and have the tankage to
support it, my numbers seem to be fairly typical. Our objective when
living/cruising on the boat is to be as comfortable as possible, not
as frugal as possible. If we had a boat with limited tankage, I'd
want some sort of watermaker system with "frugal" as a backup.

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Talking about fridge, now most new sailboats are coming with front loading
unit.
I am having a problem to find a new boat with a large build in ice box
equipped with refrigeration
The Beneteau 331 build in 2004 has a 38 gals ice box. While the 334 build
in 2006 have a 4.3 cubic feet front loading fridge.
The Hunter 33, 2006 has only a 2.5 cubic feet front loaded fridge.
According to the brokers and manufactures new buyers are happy with the
small front loading fridge. I thing its only good for week ends or staying
into your slip with electrical hook ups.


"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
wrote:
Although I have been cruising for a number of years I still do not know
the amount of space needed to store food.
Some of the new sailboat are been equipped with only a 2.4 cubic foot
front opening frig and not other ice box.
When shopping for my new boat I wonder what to look for when it come to
food and water storage. I could benefit from other cruisers comments and
feedback.

First, a cranky comment - Why is that so many people ask very basic
general questions without offering even the simplest description of their
situation? I mean, don't you think it would help if you told us whether
you were interested in sail or power? Small boat or big? Or if you were
planning for 2 week trips or headed out for 2 years? Or marina hopping
day by day or hunkering down in a forgotten island for a month? Coast of
Maine or Caribbean? Or do you expect everyone to tell you everything they
know so that you can pick the parts that are of interest to you? There.
That's out of my system.

Now, as for food, you know what you like. Buy as much as will fit. If you
don't expect to see a supermarket for a while, buy extra. Don't worry
about milk or toilet paper since you can buy that anywhere. Don't assume
your eating habits will magically change; if you hate rice don't buy the
50 pound bag because some cruiser said that's the the right thing - you'll
have 49 pounds when you return.

For water, there are so many variables there's no way to suggest a number.
We have 80 gallons, and figure that should last three of us (plus a dog
that gets a bath on occasion) for at least a week. But we could stretch
for more if needed - it really depends on how often we go swimming and
need to rinse off salt water. In Maine we use very little water; down
South we used a lot.

The big item is refrigeration. Here your choice really can affect
lifestyle. We have gone towards one extreme: we a 8 foot fridge plus a 5
foot deep freeze, chilled by a holding plate system with a big DC motor.
The up side is that the fridge can hold two weeks of food and several days
of beverage, and the freezer can hold a summer's worth of steaks, burgers,
lamb, chicken, breads, veggies, etc. Wherever we are, we can pull out a
steak from our local gourmet market and grill it up. Most is packed away
pre-marinated or otherwise ready to defrost and grilled.

The downside, is that this system eats at least 90 Amp-hours a day, as
much as 120 if its hot and the water is hot. If we're powering, or on
shore power, this is not a problem. But in an anchorage, we get one day's
grace and then have to start running the engine, or a small genset, for
about 60-90 minutes a day. We have limited solar (150 watts) which helps,
and if were were out for longer periods we would double the solar and add
a wind generator, but for now we generate most of the power with the
engine. The biggest potential problem is the we can't leave the boat
unattended on a mooring for more than a day.

If I were to do it over with today's technology, I would use the new small
hermetic compressor systems, and I'd put in one for the fridge and another
for the freezer. Thus we could make do with only one, and potentially get
by with a small enough load that could be mostly covered by solar. Also,
I might consider getting an Engel chest that could be used for periods
when we had extra needs.

Make sure that any fridge you get is well insulated and the door is well
sealed. Front opening is not a problem - its a total myth that "all the
cold spills out." (Air has a very low heat content.) The problem with
front opening doors is that they are often thin and not well insulated,
and the seals are wimpy. Also, while the air that comes in doesn't carry
much heat, it does carry humidity, so you will need to defrost more often.
Also, front opening can be a pain on a well heeled boat on a passage. Of
course, hanging over the side of a top loader looking for where the stick
of butter went to isn't much fun either.

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On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:12:07 -0400, Jeff wrote:


First, a cranky comment - Why is that so many people ask very basic
general questions without offering even the simplest description of
their situation? I mean, don't you think it would help if you told us
whether you were interested in sail or power?

This won't be the first time this complaint has been made.

I suspect its easy to write a query, and harder to think through the
details on your own.

I have even noticed myself asking questions of the simple kind,
though I've answered many many others - human nature, maybe.

Brian Whatcott Altus OK

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Well what kind of a sailor I am and what is my present situation.

I did not want to lay up my profile but you got me started.

When I was a young child plastic, toys were not made. My first toy was a
10-inch long wooden sailboat with a long sheet metal keel with sharp edges.
I play with it in the bath tub until the sharp metal keel lacerated my skin.
After that my mother took it away from me.;-(

Then we made sailboats with old wooden doors and used sugar bags. After
going from dinghies, canoes, kayaks I now have a sailboat since 1982. The
sailboat has been used in the Bay of Fundy, St. John river system, Coast of
Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, Maine, Gulf of St Lawrence and Lake Champlain.
Now I am shopping to replace my old sailboat with a new one. Although I have
been sailing for some time, I can always learn from more experienced
sailors.

This new sailboat will be my last one and I want to make sure that it suits
my needs. I do not want to depend on shore replenishment too much. Even if
you are shopping on shore you have to carry the stuff back to your boat. One
time in Buck Harbor we walked 5 miles returns for veggies and bread. Many
time while cruising I rowed on shore for potable water with a 5 gallons can
with my dinghies.


"Brian Whatcott" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:12:07 -0400, Jeff wrote:


First, a cranky comment - Why is that so many people ask very basic
general questions without offering even the simplest description of
their situation? I mean, don't you think it would help if you told us
whether you were interested in sail or power?

This won't be the first time this complaint has been made.

I suspect its easy to write a query, and harder to think through the
details on your own.

I have even noticed myself asking questions of the simple kind,
though I've answered many many others - human nature, maybe.

Brian Whatcott Altus OK

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Not all boats carry 100's of gallons of water and if those cruisers want to
go more than a couple days without refilling, hand pumps and solar shower
bags come in handy!
Picture if you had a 75 gal tank and an unintiated guest aboard ****ing half
of it out the shower sump?
The same attitude that says "if the skipper has to be conservative about
water stores" could be carried further, got a ice maker? NO? AND YOU'RE
GOING OFFSHORE! MY GOD, THE INHUMANITY................
I've been in situations where water conservation was very important and had
to figure out how to use what we had as economically as possible. Taking a
luke warm shower and pumping sink water manually is not exactly a sacrifice.
Maybe a little too hard core for you guys?;) Ha!
MMC
Still looking at the same sunsets, drinking cold drinks, not smelling like a
goat, etc. as you guys with 300 gallons....

"Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message
news:pK2Fg.10903$ok5.9618@dukeread01...
It is kinda hard to justify spending $75K to $250K or more for a boat to
cruise on if you have to live like you were in the 16th century.

--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 13:57:35 GMT, "MMC" wrote:

You can cut that 5-10 gal per day by quite a bit by turning off the water
heater and electric pumps!

You can cut consumption to zero if you turn off the pump but what's
the point? There are folks who cross oceans in small boats who wash
with salt water and have no refrigeration but that's an extreme not
likely to happen with most people.

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On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 18:34:02 GMT, "MMC" wrote:

Picture if you had a 75 gal tank and an unintiated guest aboard ****ing half
of it out the shower sump?

That would be difficult. Our old boat had a 75 gallon tank, pressure
hot water, shower, etc. It would typically last the two of us about a
week.

The new boat has a pair of 250 gallon tanks but I keep the second one
valved off as a reserve which we've never needed, even on a three week
cruise. On the other hand, we don't use the washer/dryer very much,
wash the chain down with seawater, never use the windshield washers,
and use the ice maker only for cold drinks...

Some sacrifices have to be made. :-)

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"MMC" wrote in message
.. .
(snippage) Taking a
luke warm shower and pumping sink water manually is not exactly a
sacrifice.
Maybe a little too hard core for you guys?;) Ha!
MMC
Still looking at the same sunsets, drinking cold drinks, not smelling like
a goat, etc. as you guys with 300 gallons....


"Ha!" indeed! On Essie, not only do you have to hand-pump the water, but in
the head you also have to hand-pump again to drain the sink. The lengths
some of us go to to avoid one more hole in the hull... lol

Escapade's water tank holds about 48 gallons. With two aboard, ten gallons
per day usage would last us...little more than two days.

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 18:34:02 GMT, "MMC" wrote:

Picture if you had a 75 gal tank and an unintiated guest aboard ****ing
half
of it out the shower sump?

That would be difficult. Our old boat had a 75 gallon tank, pressure
hot water, shower, etc. It would typically last the two of us about a
week.

The new boat has a pair of 250 gallon tanks but I keep the second one
valved off as a reserve which we've never needed, even on a three week
cruise. On the other hand, we don't use the washer/dryer very much,
wash the chain down with seawater, never use the windshield washers,
and use the ice maker only for cold drinks...

Some sacrifices have to be made. :-)


How often do you change the water in the jacuzzi? ;-)

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On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 14:26:21 -0500, "KLC Lewis"
wrote:

Some sacrifices have to be made. :-)


How often do you change the water in the jacuzzi? ;-)

Next boat.

On the other hand I have said that there will be no next boat.

We'll see.

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KLC Lewis wrote:


"Ha!" indeed! On Essie, not only do you have to hand-pump the water, but in
the head you also have to hand-pump again to drain the sink. The lengths
some of us go to to avoid one more hole in the hull... lol

Escapade's water tank holds about 48 gallons. With two aboard, ten gallons
per day usage would last us...little more than two days.

I suppose that is why some people pay the $$ for a
watermaker. Our Irwin 38 only has a 70 gallon
tank. You think that's bad? The holding tank is
only 8 gallons.

Don W. == who is in the process of figuring out
where to put all the additional tanks.

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On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 02:55:56 GMT, Don W
wrote:

Our Irwin 38 only has a 70 gallon
tank. You think that's bad? The holding tank is
only 8 gallons.

After 8 gallons you are supposed to "go" off shore. :-)

You are clearly a candidate for a Y-valve and/or macerator pump.

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"Don W" wrote in message
t...

KLC Lewis wrote:


"Ha!" indeed! On Essie, not only do you have to hand-pump the water, but
in the head you also have to hand-pump again to drain the sink. The
lengths some of us go to to avoid one more hole in the hull... lol

Escapade's water tank holds about 48 gallons. With two aboard, ten
gallons per day usage would last us...little more than two days.

I suppose that is why some people pay the $$ for a watermaker. Our Irwin
38 only has a 70 gallon tank. You think that's bad? The holding tank is
only 8 gallons.

Don W. == who is in the process of figuring out where to put all the
additional tanks.


If I removed the 16hp diesel and its tank, I could add about 100 gallons of
water storage and gain a nice aft cabin to boot... lol

The best definition I've ever heard for a boat is "a floating collection of
compromises."

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On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 23:07:06 -0400, in message

Wayne.B wrote:

On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 02:55:56 GMT, Don W
wrote:

Our Irwin 38 only has a 70 gallon
tank. You think that's bad? The holding tank is
only 8 gallons.

After 8 gallons you are supposed to "go" off shore. :-)

8 gallons wouldn't be enough to get me to a legal discharge zone. Not
without some serious leg crossing.

Ryk

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500 Gal? I wouldn't worry about showers either! Must be nice.
My GS 41 has a 75 gal in the bilge (not a lot of tankage in these old
beasts) and I've added a 30 gal Vetus soft tank. Plumbed as yours with
drawing the larger tank down first and holding the 30 gal as a reserve,
let's me know it's time to refill.
MMC

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 18:34:02 GMT, "MMC" wrote:

Picture if you had a 75 gal tank and an unintiated guest aboard ****ing
half
of it out the shower sump?

That would be difficult. Our old boat had a 75 gallon tank, pressure
hot water, shower, etc. It would typically last the two of us about a
week.

The new boat has a pair of 250 gallon tanks but I keep the second one
valved off as a reserve which we've never needed, even on a three week
cruise. On the other hand, we don't use the washer/dryer very much,
wash the chain down with seawater, never use the windshield washers,
and use the ice maker only for cold drinks...

Some sacrifices have to be made. :-)

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"a floating collection of compromises." Exactly right!
But at least we get to enjoy being out there on the water.
MMC

"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
...

"Don W" wrote in message
t...

KLC Lewis wrote:


"Ha!" indeed! On Essie, not only do you have to hand-pump the water, but
in the head you also have to hand-pump again to drain the sink. The
lengths some of us go to to avoid one more hole in the hull... lol

Escapade's water tank holds about 48 gallons. With two aboard, ten
gallons per day usage would last us...little more than two days.

I suppose that is why some people pay the $$ for a watermaker. Our Irwin
38 only has a 70 gallon tank. You think that's bad? The holding tank is
only 8 gallons.

Don W. == who is in the process of figuring out where to put all the
additional tanks.


If I removed the 16hp diesel and its tank, I could add about 100 gallons
of water storage and gain a nice aft cabin to boot... lol

The best definition I've ever heard for a boat is "a floating collection
of compromises."

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I mounted the Vetus soft tank under the locker in the pass thru. There had
been one there at some point in the distant past (1973 boat).
I have room to mount a genset out board of the 4-107, but it would give a
serious list, not to mention the fact that I really like having easy access
all around the engine. So we conserve 12v too. And can pay for a lot of
dinners and drinks beachside with the big boat bucks I didn't spend on one;)
MMC

"Don W" wrote in message
t...

KLC Lewis wrote:


"Ha!" indeed! On Essie, not only do you have to hand-pump the water, but
in the head you also have to hand-pump again to drain the sink. The
lengths some of us go to to avoid one more hole in the hull... lol

Escapade's water tank holds about 48 gallons. With two aboard, ten
gallons per day usage would last us...little more than two days.

I suppose that is why some people pay the $$ for a watermaker. Our Irwin
38 only has a 70 gallon tank. You think that's bad? The holding tank is
only 8 gallons.

Don W. == who is in the process of figuring out where to put all the
additional tanks.

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MMC wrote:
"a floating collection of compromises."

Exactly right!

I hold a tost to that. And would like to add regardless power or sail,
26' or 65', a 3000 cuft 0 degree refer and flake ice vertical drum
system or simply a warm beer..... even Granny Rosie and I would both be
able to smile and agree that boats, water, and travelling are fun!

So while your grilling that stake and sitting in the aft hot tub, I'll
be sitting in my cockpit drinking a pt of soymilk (shelf life 1 year)
smiiling while I give you a big wave. And hoping for a gernerous
invation to share your steak and swaping sea stories.

Bob

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Jack Dale wrote:
On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 09:24:24 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 13:06:13 GMT, wrote:

. . . In areas like Desolation Sound, that is essential, water is sparse. I hate
having to go look for water. . .

?? Have things changed up there? I cruised Desolation Sound, etc.,
extensively in the '70s and filling a coupla jerry cans while venturing
ashore was easy, fresh water lakes and creeks galore. Fresh water is
much more problematical in places like the Sea of Cortez.

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WHAT? Drink beaver pee? Omigod!
G
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Jack Dale wrote:
On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 09:24:24 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 13:06:13 GMT, wrote:

. . . In areas like Desolation Sound, that is essential, water is
sparse. I hate
having to go look for water. . .

?? Have things changed up there? I cruised Desolation Sound, etc.,
extensively in the '70s and filling a coupla jerry cans while venturing
ashore was easy, fresh water lakes and creeks galore. Fresh water is
much more problematical in places like the Sea of Cortez.

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Not to mention that I do not have any test kit to check the quality of
potable water that I could find ashore.
At time when I am not sure of the water either I do not use it or I use a
feed drops of Clorox (Javex) water then I boil it for drinking. It not fool
proof but for the lack of a better thing it is worth getting use to. I can
remember one time I was about to fill two 5 gallons containers when I found
out that it was salty sea water. One other time, I ask the general store
owner if I could fill my containers with potable water. He replied not a
problem. Then I said what's that smell (rotten eggs). He replied it is
high mineral content water we dring it every day and its been approved for
human consumption. I rowed back on my boat and did not pour the water into
my tank but left the containers in the cockpit. Now that I am shopping for
new sailboat I want to make sure that I dot run into the same problems as
before.
BTW: Clorox (Javex) was widely used by the armed forces water tankers in
the Congo.

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Jack Dale wrote:
On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 09:24:24 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 13:06:13 GMT, wrote:

. . . In areas like Desolation Sound, that is essential, water is
sparse. I hate
having to go look for water. . .

?? Have things changed up there? I cruised Desolation Sound, etc.,
extensively in the '70s and filling a coupla jerry cans while venturing
ashore was easy, fresh water lakes and creeks galore. Fresh water is
much more problematical in places like the Sea of Cortez.

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On 19 Aug 2006 22:38:10 -0700, "Bob" wrote:

So while your grilling that stake and sitting in the aft hot tub, I'll
be sitting in my cockpit drinking a pt of soymilk (shelf life 1 year)
smiiling while I give you a big wave. And hoping for a gernerous
invation to share your steak and swaping sea stories.

Stop over for some Hagen Daz ice cream fresh from the deep freeze. It
will really spoil you for soy milk.

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On 20 Aug 2006 09:45:34 -0700, "Mark" wrote:


Jack Dale wrote:
On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 09:24:24 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 13:06:13 GMT, wrote:

. . . In areas like Desolation Sound, that is essential, water is sparse. I hate
having to go look for water. . .

?? Have things changed up there? I cruised Desolation Sound, etc.,
extensively in the '70s and filling a coupla jerry cans while venturing
ashore was easy, fresh water lakes and creeks galore. Fresh water is
much more problematical in places like the Sea of Cortez.

Giardia is a issue. They are boil water advisories anywhere the water
comes from natural sources.

Jack

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On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 17:58:50 GMT, wrote:


BTW: Clorox (Javex) was widely used by the armed forces water tankers in
the Congo.


....not to mention the bleach spray applied to the salad greens at the
grocers store.

Brian Whatcott Altus OK

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Gordon wrote:
WHAT? Drink beaver pee? Omigod!
G
Dosed with iodine tablets, of course. In the seventies I got a case
of giardia (Eagle Cap Wilderness), undiagnosed for four days, and,
believe me, it's quite unpleasant.