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"Capt. Matt" wrote in message .. . Hello, The wife & I are looking at a week of sailing (bareboat charter, ours is too small for a comfy trip) and a visit to the Dry Tortugas Nat. Park. This will be our first trip, and I'm looking for any suggestions. Hi Matt. It's been about 12 years since I've visited the Dry Tortugas. I assume that the biggest change lately is the amount of visitors there. I'm sure much has been said and written about the history of Garden Key. I thought I might help with some tidbits on Loggerhead Key, 2.5 nmiles to the west. Last time I was there was with my father, who was a Biology Professor for Eckerd College in St.Petersburg. He took a class of students down there every fall semester. Of great interest to him was an old marine reseach station that was located on the north end of the island. We hiked through the brush and saw several old test-tubes and other gear, and one dilapitated old shack eroding into the western shore. In recent years, all the non-native foliage has been stripped. That should make the foundations easier to find, but the artifacts more scarce. The marine station was run by an Alfred Goldsboro Mayor, and there is a plaque there in his honor. I can't remember what his field of study was, I think marine invertibrates and general observations of the local ecosystem. I might be able to get back to you with more if you're interested. The more obvious attraction is the huge lighthouse, which is about 160 years old. As a young child back in the 1970's, the Coast Guard fellas that were stationed there let me climb to the top. My parents have some old slides of that somewhere. Today, the park service watches the lighthouse. Maybe they'll give a tour, but they are under no obligation to. Before sailing back to the shelter of Garden Key, spend the hot afternoon snorkling off the west side of the island. I remember a large reef just off the shore there. You'll find more finger-type coral and active fish than you will near Fort Jefferson. have fun, Ferg. |
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Get a boat with shallow draft and get inside the Marquesas to spend a
very pleasent couple of days on your way down there. "Ferg" wrote in message . com... "Capt. Matt" wrote in message .. . Hello, The wife & I are looking at a week of sailing (bareboat charter, ours is too small for a comfy trip) and a visit to the Dry Tortugas Nat. Park. This will be our first trip, and I'm looking for any suggestions. Hi Matt. It's been about 12 years since I've visited the Dry Tortugas. I assume that the biggest change lately is the amount of visitors there. I'm sure much has been said and written about the history of Garden Key. I thought I might help with some tidbits on Loggerhead Key, 2.5 nmiles to the west. Last time I was there was with my father, who was a Biology Professor for Eckerd College in St.Petersburg. He took a class of students down there every fall semester. Of great interest to him was an old marine reseach station that was located on the north end of the island. We hiked through the brush and saw several old test-tubes and other gear, and one dilapitated old shack eroding into the western shore. In recent years, all the non-native foliage has been stripped. That should make the foundations easier to find, but the artifacts more scarce. The marine station was run by an Alfred Goldsboro Mayor, and there is a plaque there in his honor. I can't remember what his field of study was, I think marine invertibrates and general observations of the local ecosystem. I might be able to get back to you with more if you're interested. The more obvious attraction is the huge lighthouse, which is about 160 years old. As a young child back in the 1970's, the Coast Guard fellas that were stationed there let me climb to the top. My parents have some old slides of that somewhere. Today, the park service watches the lighthouse. Maybe they'll give a tour, but they are under no obligation to. Before sailing back to the shelter of Garden Key, spend the hot afternoon snorkling off the west side of the island. I remember a large reef just off the shore there. You'll find more finger-type coral and active fish than you will near Fort Jefferson. have fun, Ferg. |
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Hmmm...that's easy...
I would suggest reading up on the FKNMS, (Florida Keys National Marine Sanctuary) areas, designations, rules, regulations, enforcement provisions, and penalties. For instance, the yardstick formula for assessing a penalty for accidently running aground in the FKNMS and doing even minimal damage to the sea grass or any reef is $100,000 per day, prorated per hour the vessel is aground, plus damage assessment costs, plus bottom restoration costs, plus court costs, plus any fines for negligent navigation...oh, plus the cost of towing, salvage and any damage you might do to your boat... So you may want to reconsider just how anxious you are to go sailing in the Florida Keys. Bob Cook Visit us he www.Ocean-Pro.com Atlantic & Pacific Weather Routing, Offshore Sailing Instruction, Deliveries |
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How? Answer: "democrats"...... and their trial attorney surrogates!
Don W. wrote: Wow! That is just plain nuts, and far out of proportion with the damage to the environment. Are we becoming a reactionary nation or what? For a lot of less well-off boaters, that translates to: "If you run hard aground we will take everything you own including your house, car, and boat." How did we get to this point? Don W. Bob Cook wrote: Hmmm...that's easy... I would suggest reading up on the FKNMS, (Florida Keys National Marine Sanctuary) areas, designations, rules, regulations, enforcement provisions, and penalties. For instance, the yardstick formula for assessing a penalty for accidently running aground in the FKNMS and doing even minimal damage to the sea grass or any reef is $100,000 per day, prorated per hour the vessel is aground, plus damage assessment costs, plus bottom restoration costs, plus court costs, plus any fines for negligent navigation...oh, plus the cost of towing, salvage and any damage you might do to your boat... So you may want to reconsider just how anxious you are to go sailing in the Florida Keys. Bob Cook Visit us he www.Ocean-Pro.com Atlantic & Pacific Weather Routing, Offshore Sailing Instruction, Deliveries |
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Wow!
That is just plain nuts, and far out of proportion with the damage to the environment. Are we becoming a reactionary nation or what? For a lot of less well-off boaters, that translates to: "If you run hard aground we will take everything you own including your house, car, and boat." How did we get to this point? Don W. Bob Cook wrote: Hmmm...that's easy... I would suggest reading up on the FKNMS, (Florida Keys National Marine Sanctuary) areas, designations, rules, regulations, enforcement provisions, and penalties. For instance, the yardstick formula for assessing a penalty for accidently running aground in the FKNMS and doing even minimal damage to the sea grass or any reef is $100,000 per day, prorated per hour the vessel is aground, plus damage assessment costs, plus bottom restoration costs, plus court costs, plus any fines for negligent navigation...oh, plus the cost of towing, salvage and any damage you might do to your boat... So you may want to reconsider just how anxious you are to go sailing in the Florida Keys. Bob Cook Visit us he www.Ocean-Pro.com Atlantic & Pacific Weather Routing, Offshore Sailing Instruction, Deliveries |
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Do they have a website? ... to prove these costs?
NH_/)_ -------- http://nortech-cs.com/sailusa/index4.htm "Bob Cook" wrote in message ... Hmmm...that's easy... I would suggest reading up on the FKNMS, (Florida Keys National Marine Sanctuary) areas, designations, rules, regulations, enforcement provisions, and penalties. For instance, the yardstick formula for assessing a penalty for accidently running aground in the FKNMS and doing even minimal damage to the sea grass or any reef is $100,000 per day, prorated per hour the vessel is aground, plus damage assessment costs, plus bottom restoration costs, plus court costs, plus any fines for negligent navigation...oh, plus the cost of towing, salvage and any damage you might do to your boat... So you may want to reconsider just how anxious you are to go sailing in the Florida Keys. Bob Cook Visit us he www.Ocean-Pro.com Atlantic & Pacific Weather Routing, Offshore Sailing Instruction, Deliveries |
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Isn't the answer simple. Get charts, know where you are, and stay with in
the marked channels and you will be ok. Or am I missing something. Thousands of boaters have gone there with less knowledge and have not damaged anything. I have never boated there but am aware of their respect of the sea grass. "NH_/)_" wrote in message . com... Do they have a website? ... to prove these costs? NH_/)_ -------- http://nortech-cs.com/sailusa/index4.htm "Bob Cook" wrote in message ... Hmmm...that's easy... I would suggest reading up on the FKNMS, (Florida Keys National Marine Sanctuary) areas, designations, rules, regulations, enforcement provisions, and penalties. For instance, the yardstick formula for assessing a penalty for accidently running aground in the FKNMS and doing even minimal damage to the sea grass or any reef is $100,000 per day, prorated per hour the vessel is aground, plus damage assessment costs, plus bottom restoration costs, plus court costs, plus any fines for negligent navigation...oh, plus the cost of towing, salvage and any damage you might do to your boat... So you may want to reconsider just how anxious you are to go sailing in the Florida Keys. Bob Cook Visit us he www.Ocean-Pro.com Atlantic & Pacific Weather Routing, Offshore Sailing Instruction, Deliveries |
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These fines were all for deliberate fishing:
http://www.fknms.nos.noaa.gov/news/p...ase/fines.html The fines for minor groundings are far more modest - but they could surprise someone: http://www.dep.state.fl.us/coastal/s...mage_costs.htm "NH_/)_" wrote in message . com... Do they have a website? ... to prove these costs? NH_/)_ -------- http://nortech-cs.com/sailusa/index4.htm "Bob Cook" wrote in message ... Hmmm...that's easy... I would suggest reading up on the FKNMS, (Florida Keys National Marine Sanctuary) areas, designations, rules, regulations, enforcement provisions, and penalties. For instance, the yardstick formula for assessing a penalty for accidently running aground in the FKNMS and doing even minimal damage to the sea grass or any reef is $100,000 per day, prorated per hour the vessel is aground, plus damage assessment costs, plus bottom restoration costs, plus court costs, plus any fines for negligent navigation...oh, plus the cost of towing, salvage and any damage you might do to your boat... So you may want to reconsider just how anxious you are to go sailing in the Florida Keys. Bob Cook Visit us he www.Ocean-Pro.com Atlantic & Pacific Weather Routing, Offshore Sailing Instruction, Deliveries |
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Thanks Jeff will defiantly check it out
NH_/)_ "Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ... These fines were all for deliberate fishing: http://www.fknms.nos.noaa.gov/news/p...ase/fines.html The fines for minor groundings are far more modest - but they could surprise someone: http://www.dep.state.fl.us/coastal/s...mage_costs.htm "NH_/)_" wrote in message . com... Do they have a website? ... to prove these costs? NH_/)_ -------- http://nortech-cs.com/sailusa/index4.htm "Bob Cook" wrote in message ... Hmmm...that's easy... I would suggest reading up on the FKNMS, (Florida Keys National Marine Sanctuary) areas, designations, rules, regulations, enforcement provisions, and penalties. For instance, the yardstick formula for assessing a penalty for accidently running aground in the FKNMS and doing even minimal damage to the sea grass or any reef is $100,000 per day, prorated per hour the vessel is aground, plus damage assessment costs, plus bottom restoration costs, plus court costs, plus any fines for negligent navigation...oh, plus the cost of towing, salvage and any damage you might do to your boat... So you may want to reconsider just how anxious you are to go sailing in the Florida Keys. Bob Cook Visit us he www.Ocean-Pro.com Atlantic & Pacific Weather Routing, Offshore Sailing Instruction, Deliveries |
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In article , "NH_/\)
_" says... Thanks Jeff will defiantly check it out NH_/)_ "Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ... These fines were all for deliberate fishing: http://www.fknms.nos.noaa.gov/news/p...ase/fines.html The fines for minor groundings are far more modest - but they could surprise someone: http://www.dep.state.fl.us/coastal/s...mage_costs.htm "NH_/)_" wrote in message . com... Do they have a website? ... to prove these costs? NH_/)_ -------- http://nortech-cs.com/sailusa/index4.htm "Bob Cook" wrote in message ... Hmmm...that's easy... I would suggest reading up on the FKNMS, (Florida Keys National Marine Sanctuary) areas, designations, rules, regulations, enforcement provisions, and penalties. For instance, the yardstick formula for assessing a penalty for accidently running aground in the FKNMS and doing even minimal damage to the sea grass or any reef is $100,000 per day, prorated per hour the vessel is aground, plus damage assessment costs, plus bottom restoration costs, plus court costs, plus any fines for negligent navigation...oh, plus the cost of towing, salvage and any damage you might do to your boat... So you may want to reconsider just how anxious you are to go sailing in the Florida Keys. Bob Cook Visit us he www.Ocean-Pro.com Atlantic & Pacific Weather Routing, Offshore Sailing Instruction, Deliveries For another take on the Dry Tortugas, pick up a copy of 'Flashback' by Nevada Barr. It's an interesting mystery about a woman park ranger stationed at Fort Jefferson. Mark Borgerson |
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most everyone here has attempted to point out that things just aint
what they used to be in the Keys and my post will not differ much....... Threats of fines SHOULD concern ANY vessel operator throughout the Keys, but I am surprised (after viewing bobs website) that he would write "the yardstick formula for assessing a penalty for accidently running aground in the FKNMS and doing even minimal damage to the sea grass or any reef is $100,000 per day, prorated per hour the vessel is aground, plus damage assessment costs, plus bottom restoration costs, plus court costs, plus any fines for negligent navigation...oh, plus the cost of towing, salvage and any damage you might do to your boat..." Bob how about supporting your yardstick formula as it relates to a smallcraft bareboat charter ? Bob, if you really want to spread misinformation and take things out of context you could comfortably add "Just entering the ATBA could cost you $10,000.00 !" (the $10,000.00 fine in context ) http://www.fknms.nos.noaa.gov/news/s.../07_01_03.html But enough on Bobs troll and back to Matts post: Matt writes " yes I know to bring Budweiser to trade for shrimp/fresh catch." Its my understanding that for a fisherman to be able to sell/barter SEAFOOD products that the fisherman MUST have a Florida wholesale seafood license from the FWC website: "A Retail Sal****er Products Dealer License (RC) is required to sell any sal****er products to the end consumer. A retail dealer can only purchase from a wholesale dealer. The RC is not required when products are prepared for consumption or take-out under a license issued by the Division of Hotels and Restaurants. Wholesale and retail dealers who produce their own products under an SPL must also report their landings to the Commission. Reporting requirements for dealers are found in ch. 68-E, F.A.C. Landings under an RC cannot be used to qualify for the RS." These rules have been on the books for years and years but enforcement was thin, in this new age of regulation it has come to my attention that this rule is being enforced and just a couple weeks ago updated my website to reflect just that: http://www.angelfire.com/fl/cruising.../Tortugas.html "Capt. Matt" ... Hello, The wife & I are looking at a week of sailing (bareboat charter, ours is too small for a comfy trip) and a visit to the Dry Tortugas Nat. Park. This will be our first trip, and I'm looking for any suggestions. We plan to sail from Naples/Marco Is. in mid November. Any hints will be appreciated, yes I know to bring Budweiser to trade for shrimp/fresh catch. TIA Matt |
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Roy G. Biv wrote: Bob how about supporting your yardstick formula as it relates to a smallcraft bareboat charter ? Bob, if you really want to spread misinformation and take things out of context you could comfortably add "Just entering the ATBA could cost you $10,000.00 !" (the $10,000.00 fine in context ) Unfortunately Bob knows from personal and financially traumatic experience. ;-) I am familiar with the incident. A very minor grounding by one of his students ended up costing well into 5 digits. -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com |
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"Don W." wrote: Wow! That is just plain nuts, and far out of proportion with the damage to the environment. Are we becoming a reactionary nation or what? For a lot of less well-off boaters, that translates to: "If you run hard aground we will take everything you own including your house, car, and boat." -unless you are a corporation with one dollar of capitalisation, and an old boat. Check out the bankruptcy laws of florida before you criticise their strategy to keep tourist in the high priced bars. How did we get to this point? Don W. Bob Cook wrote: Hmmm...that's easy... I would suggest reading up on the FKNMS, (Florida Keys National Marine Sanctuary) areas, designations, rules, regulations, enforcement provisions, and penalties. For instance, the yardstick formula for assessing a penalty for accidently running aground in the FKNMS and doing even minimal damage to the sea grass or any reef is $100,000 per day, prorated per hour the vessel is aground, plus damage assessment costs, plus bottom restoration costs, plus court costs, plus any fines for negligent navigation...oh, plus the cost of towing, salvage and any damage you might do to your boat... So you may want to reconsider just how anxious you are to go sailing in the Florida Keys. Bob Cook Visit us he www.Ocean-Pro.com Atlantic & Pacific Weather Routing, Offshore Sailing Instruction, Deliveries -- Terry K - My email address is MY PROPERTY, and is protected by copyright legislation. Permission to reproduce it is specifically denied for mass mailing and unrequested solicitations. Reproduction or conveyance for any unauthorised purpose is THEFT and PLAGIARISM. Abuse is Invasion of privacy and harassment. Abusers will be prosecuted. -This notice footer released to public domain. Spamspoof salad by spamchock - SofDevCo |
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See text of law:
US Federal Regulations, Title 15 CFR, Part 922.45, 922.46, and Part 904,.1 thru 904.108. Bob Cook Visit us he www.Ocean-Pro.com Atlantic & Pacific Weather Routing, Offshore Sailing Instruction, Deliveries Hm/Off: Naples, FL 800-329-4884 |
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So why don't you just post it here? And who's post are your responding to, anyways?
"Bob Cook" wrote in message ... See text of law: US Federal Regulations, Title 15 CFR, Part 922.45, 922.46, and Part 904,.1 thru 904.108. Bob Cook Visit us he www.Ocean-Pro.com Atlantic & Pacific Weather Routing, Offshore Sailing Instruction, Deliveries Hm/Off: Naples, FL 800-329-4884 |
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Jeff Morris wrote:
So why don't you just post it here? And who's post are your responding to, anyways? "Bob Cook" wrote in message ... See text of law: US Federal Regulations, Title 15 CFR, Part 922.45, 922.46, and Part 904,.1 thru 904.108. Bob Cook Start at http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx_03/15cfr922_03.html if it's worth reading ... |
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Thank you
For Part 904 also see this link: http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/w...cfr904_03.html Bob Visit us he www.Ocean-Pro.com Atlantic & Pacific Weather Routing, Offshore Sailing Instruction, Deliveries |
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All,
Here are two more links I found re NOAA, the NMS and NOAA's GCEL, (Office of General Counsel for Enforcement and Litigation. The first is to the office of the general counsel for Noaa, the office which does the prosecuting of Noaa cases. 1. http://www.gcel.noaa.gov/schedules/ The second is to a sub-page of the first being a link to the schedule of fines, etc and serving apparently serving as a guideline for the OGC when they impose fines, etc. I had not seen this before. Note the $5,000-25,000 fines for first time violations. 2. http://www.gcel.noaa.gov/schedules/8...loridaKeys.pdf Bob Visit us he www.Ocean-Pro.com Atlantic & Pacific Weather Routing, Offshore Sailing Instruction, Deliveries -- Visit us he www.Ocean-Pro.com Atlantic & Pacific Weather Routing, Offshore Sailing Instruction, Deliveries Hm/Off: Naples, FL 800-329-4884 |
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