Launching off a trailer with an overhead winch
 

Hi,

I just bought a Catalina 22 swing keel. There are no moorings left,
but I can dry sail it out of the local club. They have a two ton
electric winch which should be more than enough.

Many class boats drysail out of the club, but the all are open cockpit
with lifting rings. inside.

Would it be practical to lauch the Catalina 22 swing keel off the
trailer using a canvas bridal that goes around the hull?

Thanks,

MikeC

Launching off a trailer with an overhead winch
 

MikeC wrote:
Hi,

I just bought a Catalina 22 swing keel. There are no moorings left,
but I can dry sail it out of the local club. They have a two ton
electric winch which should be more than enough.

Many class boats drysail out of the club, but the all are open cockpit
with lifting rings. inside.

Would it be practical to lauch the Catalina 22 swing keel off the
trailer using a canvas bridal that goes around the hull?

Thanks,

MikeC

Yup.

Launching off a trailer with an overhead winch
 

Hi,

I guess I should be more specific.

I was worried about getting the straps down under the keel and not
wacking the mast.

Is there something I should know about the whole procedure before I
give it a try???

Thanks,

Mike Cohen
Gary wrote:
MikeC wrote:
Hi,

I just bought a Catalina 22 swing keel. There are no moorings left,
but I can dry sail it out of the local club. They have a two ton
electric winch which should be more than enough.

Many class boats drysail out of the club, but the all are open cockpit
with lifting rings. inside.

Would it be practical to lauch the Catalina 22 swing keel off the
trailer using a canvas bridal that goes around the hull?

Thanks,

MikeC

Yup.

Launching off a trailer with an overhead winch
 

"MikeC" wrote in news:1154365948.499813.251850
@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

I was worried about getting the straps down under the keel and not
wacking the mast.

Is there something I should know about the whole procedure before I
give it a try???



The only place I have experience with the slings they have a large metal
frame holding the straps apart side-to-side and fore-aft. At our club
where we launch a lot of dinghys the hoists have large hooks. Each boat
has it's own lifting bridle arrangement that stays with that boat. The
bridle is usually two lines to the shroud chainplates and one line to the
transom. All these lines are connected to a large ring that the hook on
the hoist grabs onto. Is that how your club is or do they already have
some kind of strap arrangement? Kirk.

Launching off a trailer with an overhead winch
 

On 31 Jul, "MikeC" wrote:
I was worried about getting the straps down under the keel and not
wacking the mast.
Is there something I should know about the whole procedure before I
give it a try???

Welllll...... with a swing keel, you should know that it's really
simple to trailer launch and retrieve a Catalina 22 if you have a
decent ramp. Especially if you have an extendable trailer tongue. I'd
venture to say it'd be quicker, simpler, and safer to do it that way.
I can see all sorts of unnecessary problems with the "strap under the
hull" hoist method.

Rick ------- launched a C22 MANY times.

Launching off a trailer with an overhead winch
 

Why can't you launch from a ramp?
Or if you must sling, you could possibly set the slings slightly off
center to set the mast angle outwards.

Brian Whatcott Altus OK

On 31 Jul 2006 10:12:28 -0700, "MikeC" wrote:

Hi,

I guess I should be more specific.

I was worried about getting the straps down under the keel and not
wacking the mast.

Is there something I should know about the whole procedure before I
give it a try???

Thanks,

Mike Cohen
Gary wrote:
MikeC wrote:
Hi,

I just bought a Catalina 22 swing keel. There are no moorings left,
but I can dry sail it out of the local club. They have a two ton
electric winch which should be more than enough.

Many class boats drysail out of the club, but the all are open cockpit
with lifting rings. inside.

Would it be practical to lauch the Catalina 22 swing keel off the
trailer using a canvas bridal that goes around the hull?

Thanks,

MikeC

Yup.

Launching off a trailer with an overhead winch
 

Hi,

The club where I can keep the boat on a trailer does not have a ramp.
The boat ramp does not have a place I can keep the mast up. Getting
it in and out of my yard is tough.

I really would like to keep it at the club and lauch it with our 2 ton
winch. Do you know how / if this can be done?

Thanks,

Mike Cohen


lid wrote:
On 31 Jul, "MikeC" wrote:
I was worried about getting the straps down under the keel and not
wacking the mast.
Is there something I should know about the whole procedure before I
give it a try???

Welllll...... with a swing keel, you should know that it's really
simple to trailer launch and retrieve a Catalina 22 if you have a
decent ramp. Especially if you have an extendable trailer tongue. I'd
venture to say it'd be quicker, simpler, and safer to do it that way.
I can see all sorts of unnecessary problems with the "strap under the
hull" hoist method.

Rick ------- launched a C22 MANY times.

Launching off a trailer with an overhead winch
 

Hi,

The club where I can keep the boat on a trailer does not have a ramp.
The boat ramp does not have a place I can keep the boat & trailer.
Getting it in and out of my yard is tough.

I really would like to keep the boat at the club and lauch it with the
2 ton winch. Do you know how / if this can be done?

Thanks,

Mike Cohen


Brian Whatcott wrote:
Why can't you launch from a ramp?
Or if you must sling, you could possibly set the slings slightly off
center to set the mast angle outwards.

Brian Whatcott Altus OK

On 31 Jul 2006 10:12:28 -0700, "MikeC" wrote:

Hi,

I guess I should be more specific.

I was worried about getting the straps down under the keel and not
wacking the mast.

Is there something I should know about the whole procedure before I
give it a try???

Thanks,

Mike Cohen
Gary wrote:
MikeC wrote:
Hi,

I just bought a Catalina 22 swing keel. There are no moorings left,
but I can dry sail it out of the local club. They have a two ton
electric winch which should be more than enough.

Many class boats drysail out of the club, but the all are open cockpit
with lifting rings. inside.

Would it be practical to lauch the Catalina 22 swing keel off the
trailer using a canvas bridal that goes around the hull?

Thanks,

MikeC

Yup.

Launching off a trailer with an overhead winch
 

Hi,

The club where I can keep the boat on a trailer does not have a ramp.
The boat ramp does not have a place I can keep the boat & trailer.
Getting it in and out of my yard is tough.

I really would like to keep the boat at the club and lauch it with the
2 ton winch. Do you know how / if this can be done?

Thanks,

Mike Cohen


Brian Whatcott wrote:
Why can't you launch from a ramp?
Or if you must sling, you could possibly set the slings slightly off
center to set the mast angle outwards.

Brian Whatcott Altus OK

On 31 Jul 2006 10:12:28 -0700, "MikeC" wrote:

Hi,

I guess I should be more specific.

I was worried about getting the straps down under the keel and not
wacking the mast.

Is there something I should know about the whole procedure before I
give it a try???

Thanks,

Mike Cohen
Gary wrote:
MikeC wrote:
Hi,

I just bought a Catalina 22 swing keel. There are no moorings left,
but I can dry sail it out of the local club. They have a two ton
electric winch which should be more than enough.

Many class boats drysail out of the club, but the all are open cockpit
with lifting rings. inside.

Would it be practical to lauch the Catalina 22 swing keel off the
trailer using a canvas bridal that goes around the hull?

Thanks,

MikeC

Yup.

Launching off a trailer with an overhead winch
 

MikeC wrote:

Hi,

The club where I can keep the boat on a trailer does not have a ramp.
The boat ramp does not have a place I can keep the boat & trailer.
Getting it in and out of my yard is tough.

I really would like to keep the boat at the club and lauch it with the
2 ton winch. Do you know how / if this can be done?

Thanks,

Mike Cohen

A 2 ton lift would be a bit on the light side for a Catalina
22. Not much safety margin. And you'd be much better off
setting up lifting rings on the boat itself than to put
slings under it. With slings, you need a big spreader fram
to hold the upper ends of the slings in place.

One good thing about using a hoist is that you don't get
your trailer all rusty.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Launching off a trailer with an overhead winch
 

In article .com,
"MikeC" wrote:

I was worried about getting the straps down under the keel and not
wacking the mast.

Is there something I should know about the whole procedure before I
give it a try???


You'll want the already-mentioned double-sling. Lifting the boat with
one strap on the keel won't hurt it, but you'll want to mark where you
want the slings to go anyway. That can be done while the boat's on the
trailer

Step and unstep the mast on the water as the shrouds will probably get
in the way of the hoist.

The lift operator(s) will probably already know how to do it right. Ask
them.

BTW, if you have keel bolts like the Tanzer 22s, they bolt a lifting
bridle to two of them that the hoist can just hook to. After the
initial setup, it seems the easiest way to hoist. I'm sure there's a
picture of one in one of the links at
http://www.magma.ca/~tanzer22/t22link.htm

Hmmm. As I did a quick Google, I noticed this endorsement:
http://bbs.trailersailor.com/forums/...noframes/read/
35355


--
Jere Lull
Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD)
Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html
Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

Launching off a trailer with an overhead winch
 

On 2 Aug, "MikeC" wrote:
would like to keep it at the club and lauch it with our 2 ton
winch. Do you know how / if this can be done?

I'm sure it can be done. Just not as simply as ramp
launching/retrieving.

Rick

Launching off a trailer with an overhead winch
 

On Thu, 03 Aug jerelull wrote:
Lifting the boat with
one strap on the keel won't hurt it

This particular C22 has a swing keel. It's attached to the hull with
only a pivot bolt. I don't think allowing a strap to put pressure on
it would be a good idea.

Step and unstep the mast on the water as the shrouds will probably get
in the way of the hoist.

I agree but one reason he wants to keep his boat at the club is so he
can keep his mast *up* on the trailer.
.............. granted, the mast is easily raised and lowered.
Especially with quick release shroud fittings.

The lift operator(s) will probably already know how to do it right. Ask
them.

At a yacht club?? Typically, the lift operator will be the boat owner
himself..... except maybe on regatta weekends (aka Chinese firedrill
..... might not be the best time).

BTW, if you have keel bolts like the Tanzer 22s, they bolt a lifting
bridle to two of them that the hoist can just hook to.

If it had a fixed keel, that'd be the best way for sure (J22 comes to
mind). Unfortunately, this boat is a little different. Mounting
lifting eyes would be a design challenge and involve structural work
strengthening whatever you mounted them to (maybe one through the
cockpit floor and one through the boat bottom in the swing keel slot?)
Once you had it figured out, it'd beat straps though.

Rick

Launching off a trailer with an overhead winch
 

In article ,
lid wrote:

On Thu, 03 Aug jerelull wrote:
Lifting the boat with one strap on the keel won't hurt it

This particular C22 has a swing keel. It's attached to the hull with
only a pivot bolt. I don't think allowing a strap to put pressure on
it would be a good idea.

Not to worry, if you think of the normal and expected loads it is
designed to handle, such as groundings. But you can mark "straps here"
on the side of the boat to help avoid the possibility.

Step and unstep the mast on the water as the shrouds will probably
get in the way of the hoist.

I agree but one reason he wants to keep his boat at the club is so he
can keep his mast *up* on the trailer. ............. granted, the
mast is easily raised and lowered. Especially with quick release
shroud fittings.

Take a good look at a rigged boat. Imagine hoisting it, turning it to
the water, then lowering it in, all supported by a single cable. The
shrouds will easily get in the way, particularly as one strap will be
ahead of the mast, one behind.

The lift operator(s) will probably already know how to do it right.
Ask them.

At a yacht club?? Typically, the lift operator will be the boat owner
himself..... except maybe on regatta weekends (aka Chinese firedrill
.... might not be the best time).

Then ask around for the most experienced member -- after the race,
perhaps plying him with a favored libation.

BTW, if you have keel bolts like the Tanzer 22s, they bolt a lifting
bridle to two of them that the hoist can just hook to.

If it had a fixed keel, that'd be the best way for sure (J22 comes to
mind). Unfortunately, this boat is a little different. Mounting
lifting eyes would be a design challenge and involve structural work
strengthening whatever you mounted them to (maybe one through the
cockpit floor and one through the boat bottom in the swing keel slot?)
Once you had it figured out, it'd beat straps though.

Have you looked in the bilge? (Apologies if you have) The Tanzer 22
came with either fin or swing keel. Both bolted on. Wouldn't be
surprised if the C22 was done the same way.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD)
Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html
Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/