beaufortnc wrote:
Hi,

I have a charter captain friend who told me once that there is a
loophole around the conventional "6-pack" CG License chartering
regulations.

He said something to the effect that if you have a contract that
specifies that the boat is being rented as a whole to the "guests",
that they are able to pick whoever they'd like to be the captain of
their "rented" vessel, whether that person is licensed or not.

So, in essence, the boat "rental" provides the income, and the
"captain" performs duties for free.

With this method, he was able to charter his boat with more than 6
guests, and without a captain's license.

Does anyone know the real story on this? Was he f.o.s.?

Thanks,

Mike.


Why not just do it with the proper paperwork? A lot of the license
schools will coach you through lying about your sea service, and in
exchange for $600-$800 will basically ensure that you pass the exam. If
you really want to haul people for hire, get the license.

"Chuck Gould" wrote:
beaufortnc wrote:
Hi,

I have a charter captain friend who told me once that there is a
loophole around the conventional "6-pack" CG License chartering
regulations.

He said something to the effect that if you have a contract that
specifies that the boat is being rented as a whole to the "guests",
that they are able to pick whoever they'd like to be the captain of
their "rented" vessel, whether that person is licensed or not.

So, in essence, the boat "rental" provides the income, and the
"captain" performs duties for free.

With this method, he was able to charter his boat with more than 6
guests, and without a captain's license.

Does anyone know the real story on this? Was he f.o.s.?

I've talked to a man (let's call him M) who charter a boat (from a
charter company) and get a group of people together each of whom pays
M a part of the fee. Say one of those big cats that sleeps 8, and M
gets six couples and divides the charter cost by 6 instead of 8, so
that his part is paid for by the others. Then the people each bring
or buy some of the food and do the cooking and M acts as the captain
and cruise director. He gets his airfare and expenses paid for. But
he doesn't own the boat although I suppose he could have leased the
boat to the charter company.


Why not just do it with the proper paperwork? A lot of the license
schools will coach you through lying about your sea service, and in
exchange for $600-$800 will basically ensure that you pass the exam. If
you really want to haul people for hire, get the license.

The way I read this, the guy wants to take more than 6 people. Or are
you saying the next license above the six-pack license is easy to get?

What country is "M" chartering in? "Big Cats" doesn't sound like the
US. Do the various Caribbean charter countries have the same strict
licensing requirements as the US?


Rosalie B. wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote:
beaufortnc wrote:
Hi,

I have a charter captain friend who told me once that there is a
loophole around the conventional "6-pack" CG License chartering
regulations.

He said something to the effect that if you have a contract that
specifies that the boat is being rented as a whole to the "guests",
that they are able to pick whoever they'd like to be the captain of
their "rented" vessel, whether that person is licensed or not.

So, in essence, the boat "rental" provides the income, and the
"captain" performs duties for free.

With this method, he was able to charter his boat with more than 6
guests, and without a captain's license.

Does anyone know the real story on this? Was he f.o.s.?

I've talked to a man (let's call him M) who charter a boat (from a
charter company) and get a group of people together each of whom pays
M a part of the fee. Say one of those big cats that sleeps 8, and M
gets six couples and divides the charter cost by 6 instead of 8, so
that his part is paid for by the others. Then the people each bring
or buy some of the food and do the cooking and M acts as the captain
and cruise director. He gets his airfare and expenses paid for. But
he doesn't own the boat although I suppose he could have leased the
boat to the charter company.

Why not just do it with the proper paperwork? A lot of the license
schools will coach you through lying about your sea service, and in
exchange for $600-$800 will basically ensure that you pass the exam. If
you really want to haul people for hire, get the license.

The way I read this, the guy wants to take more than 6 people. Or are
you saying the next license above the six-pack license is easy to get?

Jeff wrote:

What country is "M" chartering in? "Big Cats" doesn't sound like the
US. Do the various Caribbean charter countries have the same strict
licensing requirements as the US?

The USVI. I don't know of many charter fleets in the CONUS.

Rosalie B. wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote:
beaufortnc wrote:
Hi,

I have a charter captain friend who told me once that there is a
loophole around the conventional "6-pack" CG License chartering
regulations.

He said something to the effect that if you have a contract that
specifies that the boat is being rented as a whole to the "guests",
that they are able to pick whoever they'd like to be the captain of
their "rented" vessel, whether that person is licensed or not.

So, in essence, the boat "rental" provides the income, and the
"captain" performs duties for free.

With this method, he was able to charter his boat with more than 6
guests, and without a captain's license.

Does anyone know the real story on this? Was he f.o.s.?

I've talked to a man (let's call him M) who charter a boat (from a
charter company) and get a group of people together each of whom pays
M a part of the fee. Say one of those big cats that sleeps 8, and M
gets six couples and divides the charter cost by 6 instead of 8, so
that his part is paid for by the others. Then the people each bring
or buy some of the food and do the cooking and M acts as the captain
and cruise director. He gets his airfare and expenses paid for. But
he doesn't own the boat although I suppose he could have leased the
boat to the charter company.

Why not just do it with the proper paperwork? A lot of the license
schools will coach you through lying about your sea service, and in
exchange for $600-$800 will basically ensure that you pass the exam. If
you really want to haul people for hire, get the license.

The way I read this, the guy wants to take more than 6 people. Or are
you saying the next license above the six-pack license is easy to get?

In article ,
says...
Jeff wrote:

What country is "M" chartering in? "Big Cats" doesn't sound like the
US. Do the various Caribbean charter countries have the same strict
licensing requirements as the US?

The USVI. I don't know of many charter fleets in the CONUS.

CONUS DOES extend West of the Mississippi! There are substantial
charter fleets in the Puget Sound area. I think the largest are
in the Anacortes area and provide charters in the San Juan Islands
and Canadian Gulf Islands. There are also charter fleets in
neighboring British Columbia. (I'll be spending a week in the
Desolation Sound area in August on a chartered boat.)

SNIP

Mark Borgerson

Rosalie B. wrote:


The way I read this, the guy wants to take more than 6 people. Or are
you saying the next license above the six-pack license is easy to get?

The 100-ton license is virtually the same test as the OUPV. However, to
carry more than six passengers for hire with that 100-ton master's, I
believe you have to operate an inspected vessel.

Chuck Gould wrote:
Rosalie B. wrote:

The way I read this, the guy wants to take more than 6 people. Or are
you saying the next license above the six-pack license is easy to get?

The 100-ton license is virtually the same test as the OUPV. However, to
carry more than six passengers for hire with that 100-ton master's, I
believe you have to operate an inspected vessel.

There is a category of Uninspected Passenger Vessel over 100 tons and
suitable for up to 12 passengers. I don't know what license is
required to operate such a vessel, but I don't think its the basic
OUPV. The section "A" that I snipped from the USCode in a previous
post referred to those boats.

"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
Chuck Gould wrote:
Rosalie B. wrote:

The way I read this, the guy wants to take more than 6 people. Or are
you saying the next license above the six-pack license is easy to get?

The 100-ton license is virtually the same test as the OUPV. However, to
carry more than six passengers for hire with that 100-ton master's, I
believe you have to operate an inspected vessel.

There is a category of Uninspected Passenger Vessel over 100 tons and
suitable for up to 12 passengers. I don't know what license is required
to operate such a vessel, but I don't think its the basic OUPV. The
section "A" that I snipped from the USCode in a previous post referred to
those boats.

According to the http://www.uscg.mil/STCW/ page, there are the following:

Limited OUPV (launch tender)
OUPV (6-pak)
Limited Master (90 days in 3 years + 120 day)
Master 100 ton (less than 100 tons)

There are higher licenses, but everything I could find requires having a
valid US merchant mariner credential.

There are other licences, such as able seaman, lifeboatman, etc. But, I
don't see how these would apply.

There are also endorsements, such as towing or oceans.

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Capt. JG wrote:
"Jeff" wrote in message
....
There is a category of Uninspected Passenger Vessel over 100 tons and
suitable for up to 12 passengers. I don't know what license is required
to operate such a vessel, but I don't think its the basic OUPV. The
section "A" that I snipped from the USCode in a previous post referred to
those boats.

According to the http://www.uscg.mil/STCW/ page, there are the following:

Limited OUPV (launch tender)
OUPV (6-pak)

I don't believe the regs ever mention "6-pak."

Limited Master (90 days in 3 years + 120 day)
Master 100 ton (less than 100 tons)

There are higher licenses, but everything I could find requires having a
valid US merchant mariner credential.

There are other licences, such as able seaman, lifeboatman, etc. But, I
don't see how these would apply.

There are also endorsements, such as towing or oceans.


46CFR15 seems to say that a Master is required on "Uninspected
Passenger Vessels" over 100 tons, which can carry up to 12 people. So
an OUPV is not sufficient for this category.

"Jeff" wrote in message
...
Capt. JG wrote:
"Jeff" wrote in message
...
There is a category of Uninspected Passenger Vessel over 100 tons and
suitable for up to 12 passengers. I don't know what license is required
to operate such a vessel, but I don't think its the basic OUPV. The
section "A" that I snipped from the USCode in a previous post referred
to those boats.

According to the http://www.uscg.mil/STCW/ page, there are the following:

Limited OUPV (launch tender)
OUPV (6-pak)

I don't believe the regs ever mention "6-pak."

Sure doesn't. In fact, the CG hate that term.

Limited Master (90 days in 3 years + 120 day)
Master 100 ton (less than 100 tons)

There are higher licenses, but everything I could find requires having a
valid US merchant mariner credential.

There are other licences, such as able seaman, lifeboatman, etc. But, I
don't see how these would apply.

There are also endorsements, such as towing or oceans.


46CFR15 seems to say that a Master is required on "Uninspected Passenger
Vessels" over 100 tons, which can carry up to 12 people. So an OUPV is
not sufficient for this category.

Definitely not.

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