how to overcome toilet line stink?
 

The line from my toilet runs under the bed, through the rear wall
(transom?) of the interior and into a tank in the engine compartment.
Recently I've removed the walls from around the bottom of the bed,
and now the stink from the hose is much more noticable. It's a white
plastic hose and you can see that there is wire reinforcement within.
Is there something I can wrap the hose in, or any other methods to
reduce the amount of smell that gets out through the hose?

Thanks,
David

how to overcome toilet line stink?
 

wrote:
The line from my toilet runs under the bed, through the rear wall
(transom?) of the interior and into a tank in the engine compartment.
Recently I've removed the walls from around the bottom of the bed,
and now the stink from the hose is much more noticable. It's a white
plastic hose and you can see that there is wire reinforcement within.
Is there something I can wrap the hose in, or any other methods to
reduce the amount of smell that gets out through the hose?

Thanks,
David

How old is the hose? The white stuff in particular goes bad every few
years and just needs to be replaced..........The black stuff is better,
but not immortal.

Are you sure the smell is coming from the hose? The hose is a common
source, but to be sure you have isolated the source of the offensive
odor, you can conduct some detective work with a damp cloth. Starting
at one end of the hose or the other, hold the damp cloth against any
fitting or joint you find and leave it for a short period of time.
Then put the damp cloth up to your nose and take a whiff. You will
absolutely know when you come across the source of the odor. In
addition to the joints and connections, place the cloth on the hose
itself.

Unless the boat is pretty new or the hose has been replaced within the
last few years, my money is on replacing the hose as the ultimate cure.
When that's done, make sure that future flushes include adequate volume
to move waste all the way to the holding tank so that "stuff" doesn't
sit and moulder in the line.

Along with sanitation hoses past their prime, inadequately vented
holding tanks are also frequent sources of offensive sewage odors. How
far from the suspected hose to the holding tank?

how to overcome toilet line stink?
 

wrote:
The line from my toilet runs under the bed, through the rear wall
(transom?) of the interior and into a tank in the engine compartment.
Recently I've removed the walls from around the bottom of the bed,
and now the stink from the hose is much more noticable. It's a white
plastic hose and you can see that there is wire reinforcement within.
Is there something I can wrap the hose in, or any other methods to
reduce the amount of smell that gets out through the hose?

The only real cure for permeated sanitation hoses is replacement.
However, if you'd rather wait till fall to do that miserable job, you
can buy youreself that much time by wrapping the hoses in Saran
Wrap...it must be Saran...no other brand.

But first be sure the hoses ARE permeated: clean off an area of each
section of hose to remove any other from another source that may have
attached itself to the outside of the hose. Wet clean rags in HOT
water...wring 'em out, wrap one around each section of hose...use a
clean rage for each section. When the rag has cooled, remove it and
smell it. If you can smell the same odor on the hose, that hose has
permeated...if you can't smell anything, the hose is ok...we need to
find the real source of your odor.
--
Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://shop.sailboatowners.com/books...ku=90&cat=1304

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Chuck Gould wrote:

Along with sanitation hoses past their prime, inadequately vented
holding tanks are also frequent sources of offensive sewage odors.



I hear from people all the time who tell me they pump out every weekend,
always rinse out their tank, and have tried every holding tank product
on the market, but still have odor inside the boat. They've just been
chasing their tails...'cuz unless the tank is leaking, odor from inside
the tank can't be the source of odor inside a boat, 'cuz unless there's
a leak, odor from inside the tank has only one place to go: out the tank
vent...although a worn out joker valve in the toilet can allow gasses
from the tank to escape into the head via the toilet. But in that case,
the odor would be confined to the head, it wouldn't permeate other parts
of the boat.

In this case, my money is on permeated sanitation hoses. And it doesn't
matter how old or new the boat is, how long it takes for a hose to
permeate--whether it ever permeates--can't be predicited. I used the
same brand/type of hose on two of my own boats...it was on the first one
for more than 7 years without a trace of odor...it permeated on the
second boat in less than 90 days.

--
Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://shop.sailboatowners.com/books...ku=90&cat=1304

how to overcome toilet line stink?
 

If possible, the permanent fix is to replace the flex hose with rigid 1.25"
PVC. (these 2 pipes are about the same size) There is a glue in drain
tailpiece fitting that, by accident, connects from 1.5" flex hose to 1.25"
PVC perfectly. The PVC can have mild bends imparted with a heat gun. Long
straight runs are easiest. There are also flexible rubber T, L and straight
connectors for the PVC, referred to in a hardware store as a "Fernco".
Lee Haefele
Nauticat 33 Alesto (for sale)
Leopard 38 Alesto 2

how to overcome toilet line stink?
 

If possible, the permanent fix is to replace the flex hose with rigid
1.25"
PVC. (these 2 pipes are about the same size)

I wouldn't use rigid PVC in a boat. The vibrations are such that you're
looking for trouble WHEN (not if) the connections start breaking loose.

There may be some portions of the setup that could use rigid pipe but I
doubt it.

how to overcome toilet line stink?
 

On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 22:31:11 -0400, wrote:

The line from my toilet runs under the bed, through the rear wall
(transom?) of the interior and into a tank in the engine compartment.
Recently I've removed the walls from around the bottom of the bed,
and now the stink from the hose is much more noticable. It's a white
plastic hose and you can see that there is wire reinforcement within.
Is there something I can wrap the hose in, or any other methods to
reduce the amount of smell that gets out through the hose?

Thanks,
David

I've had some success with a product called Febreeze, usually found
with laundry or carpet cleaning products. It's made to eliminate pet
odors, etc. Sprayed on the outside of the hose, it seems to
neutralize the odor temporarily. YMMV, but I tried it several months
ago and the odor still hasn't come back. I'm sure it's not a
permanent solution though.
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On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 03:53:47 GMT, Peggie Hall
wrote:

The only real cure for permeated sanitation hoses is replacement.
However, if you'd rather wait till fall to do that miserable job, you
can buy youreself that much time by wrapping the hoses in Saran
Wrap...it must be Saran...no other brand.

Aluminium tape will do nicely too.

cheers,
Pete.

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On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 07:07:42 -0400, "Lee Haefele"
wrote:

If possible, the permanent fix is to replace the flex hose with rigid 1.25"
PVC. (these 2 pipes are about the same size) There is a glue in drain
tailpiece fitting that, by accident, connects from 1.5" flex hose to 1.25"
PVC perfectly. The PVC can have mild bends imparted with a heat gun. Long
straight runs are easiest. There are also flexible rubber T, L and straight
connectors for the PVC, referred to in a hardware store as a "Fernco".
Lee Haefele
Nauticat 33 Alesto (for sale)
Leopard 38 Alesto 2


This is one of those notes that I salt away, against the day.

Thanks


Brian Whatcott Altus OK

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Pete C wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 03:53:47 GMT, Peggie Hall
wrote:

The only real cure for permeated sanitation hoses is replacement.
However, if you'd rather wait till fall to do that miserable job, you
can buy youreself that much time by wrapping the hoses in Saran
Wrap...it must be Saran...no other brand.

Aluminium tape will do nicely too.

You have to be very careful using aluminum tape...to make sure that it
doesn't ever come in contact anywhere with any wiring or metal. 'Cuz if
it does, galvanic corrosion and/or electrolysis is the result.
--
Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://shop.sailboatowners.com/books...ku=90&cat=1304

how to overcome toilet line stink?
 

Bill Kearney wrote:
If possible, the permanent fix is to replace the flex hose with
rigid
1.25"
PVC. (these 2 pipes are about the same size)

I wouldn't use rigid PVC in a boat. The vibrations are such that
you're looking for trouble WHEN (not if) the connections start
breaking loose.

There may be some portions of the setup that could use rigid pipe but
I doubt it.

Hard PVC pipe is ok for long straight runs, provided it's supported and
"soft coupled" to anything rigid--toilet, tank, y-valve, thru-hull
etc--with enough hose (about a foot) to allow flex and cushion shock.

It's not a good idea to use it in a system that has a lot of short runs
and bends, though...'cuz you end up with a zillion unions, all potential
leakers.


--
Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://shop.sailboatowners.com/books...ku=90&cat=1304

how to overcome toilet line stink?
 

On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 17:14:56 GMT, Peggie Hall
wrote:

Pete C wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 03:53:47 GMT, Peggie Hall
wrote:

The only real cure for permeated sanitation hoses is replacement.
However, if you'd rather wait till fall to do that miserable job, you
can buy youreself that much time by wrapping the hoses in Saran
Wrap...it must be Saran...no other brand.

Aluminium tape will do nicely too.

You have to be very careful using aluminum tape...to make sure that it
doesn't ever come in contact anywhere with any wiring or metal. 'Cuz if
it does, galvanic corrosion and/or electrolysis is the result.

Good point, I guess a layer of duct tape or similar would take care of
that.

cheers,
Pete.

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Peggie Hall wrote in news:ZSyog.109820$H71.56700
@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com:

all potential
leakers.


Yecch....I should have learned by now NOT to read Peggie's posts right
after dinner....(c;

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Harry Krause wrote:
Peggie, you once suggested the best brand and model of sanitation hoses,
I believe. I lost that tip...might you offer it up again?

I suspect you're referring to AVS96, which unfortunately was
discontinued because the mfr couldn't succeed in creating enough of a
volume market for it to continue production profitably.

The most odor resistant hose on the market now--and it may be even more
so than AVS96--is Trident's new 101/102 (same rubber hose, they just
make it in both black and white), which is a double-walled rubber hose
that has a biocide in the rubber formulation. However, it does have one
downside: a chemical odor from the hose itself that some people find
impossible to tolerate. But apparently very few people, 'cuz it's been
getting rave reviews..."the new hose with the green stripe." Check it
out he http://www.tridentmarine.com/stage/sanitation.htm


Also, I discovered that the holding tank on Yo Ho has NO offshore manual
pump out pump, valve or through hull. I'm wondering if I can install a
pump a few feet away from the tank and plumb it with the proper fitting
to the same through hull we use when offshore. I guess I could...yes?

Whether you can use the same thru-hull depends on how far it is from the
tank and your choice of pump/pump location. If the thru-hull isn't more
than about 6' from the tank, you should be ok. Install a y-valve, not
just a tee or wye--in the pumpout line as close to the tank as possible,
so you can cut off the flow from the tank to pump to service the
pump...and if the thru-hull is below the waterline, tee it into your
toilet's direct discharge line ahead of the vented loop...which will
eliminate the need for a second one.

--
Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://shop.sailboatowners.com/books...ku=90&cat=1304

how to overcome toilet line stink?
 

Replacing the sanitation hose can be a huge PITA and the stuff is
ridiculously expensive. If your schedule and wallet don't have room for this
now, you can get seal the outside of the hose by painting it.
I've done this with black hose, but not white so don't know what kind of
paint to use.
If there is a leak, break out the wifes platex dish washing gloves! She
probably won't want them back when your done....
MMC
wrote in message
...
The line from my toilet runs under the bed, through the rear wall
(transom?) of the interior and into a tank in the engine compartment.
Recently I've removed the walls from around the bottom of the bed,
and now the stink from the hose is much more noticable. It's a white
plastic hose and you can see that there is wire reinforcement within.
Is there something I can wrap the hose in, or any other methods to
reduce the amount of smell that gets out through the hose?

Thanks,
David

how to overcome toilet line stink?
 

I use a large, dedicated freshwater tank for manual pump flushing,
which I keep full using a dedicated Spectra watermaker.

Just about every head problem is sal****er related. And by eliminating
the electric pumps too, yet another set of problems vanish.

I rebuilt the entire system anticipating the hundreds of problems I've
had in the past. For example, I now have a short, downhill hose run
with only a slight bend.

I was so happy with this new arrangement, I got rid of the sal****er
hookups and electric pumps in the galley too.

The only problem I have now is getting guests not to flush paper and
other stuff.



On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 22:31:11 -0400, wrote:

The line from my toilet runs under the bed, through the rear wall
(transom?) of the interior and into a tank in the engine compartment.
Recently I've removed the walls from around the bottom of the bed,
and now the stink from the hose is much more noticable. It's a white
plastic hose and you can see that there is wire reinforcement within.
Is there something I can wrap the hose in, or any other methods to
reduce the amount of smell that gets out through the hose?

Thanks,
David

how to overcome toilet line stink?
 

After years and years of fighting head-related problems, I replaced Essie's
marine head wtih a decent-size Porta Potti. No more clogging, no special
instructions on how to flush, and fewer holes in the bottom of the boat.
Emptying the portable holding tank is easy -- take it ashore and flush. It's
no worse than maintaining a traditional marine head, and in so many ways
much more civilised.

Karin Conover-Lewis
Rawson 30 ketch "Escapade"
Marinette, WI

"Cindy" wrote in message
...
I use a large, dedicated freshwater tank for manual pump flushing,
which I keep full using a dedicated Spectra watermaker.

Just about every head problem is sal****er related. And by eliminating
the electric pumps too, yet another set of problems vanish.

I rebuilt the entire system anticipating the hundreds of problems I've
had in the past. For example, I now have a short, downhill hose run
with only a slight bend.

I was so happy with this new arrangement, I got rid of the sal****er
hookups and electric pumps in the galley too.

The only problem I have now is getting guests not to flush paper and
other stuff.



On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 22:31:11 -0400, wrote:

The line from my toilet runs under the bed, through the rear wall
(transom?) of the interior and into a tank in the engine compartment.
Recently I've removed the walls from around the bottom of the bed,
and now the stink from the hose is much more noticable. It's a white
plastic hose and you can see that there is wire reinforcement within.
Is there something I can wrap the hose in, or any other methods to
reduce the amount of smell that gets out through the hose?

Thanks,
David

how to overcome toilet line stink?
 

KLC Lewis wrote:
After years and years of fighting head-related problems, I replaced Essie's
marine head wtih a decent-size Porta Potti. No more clogging, no special
instructions on how to flush, and fewer holes in the bottom of the boat.
Emptying the portable holding tank is easy -- take it ashore and flush. It's
no worse than maintaining a traditional marine head, and in so many ways
much more civilised.

Better yet, install one of the 5-6 gal models designed to be permanently
installed and fitted for pumpout. Just as easy to use and maintain...no
plumbing except the vent line and pumpout line--with a y-valve and
macerator or manual diaphragm pump if you want to dump it at sea...and
you don't have to carry it off the boat or hold it over the side to
empty it. Which CAN be problematic, 'cuz a lot of marinas won't let you
dump 'em in their toilets and don't have a portapotty dump station either.

--
Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://shop.sailboatowners.com/books...ku=90&cat=1304

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On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 16:23:07 GMT, Peggie Hall
wrote:

KLC Lewis wrote:
After years and years of fighting head-related problems, I replaced Essie's
marine head wtih a decent-size Porta Potti. No more clogging, no special
instructions on how to flush, and fewer holes in the bottom of the boat.
Emptying the portable holding tank is easy -- take it ashore and flush. It's
no worse than maintaining a traditional marine head, and in so many ways
much more civilised.

Better yet, install one of the 5-6 gal models designed to be permanently
installed and fitted for pumpout. Just as easy to use and maintain...no
plumbing except the vent line and pumpout line--with a y-valve and
macerator or manual diaphragm pump if you want to dump it at sea...and
you don't have to carry it off the boat or hold it over the side to
empty it. Which CAN be problematic, 'cuz a lot of marinas won't let you
dump 'em in their toilets and don't have a portapotty dump station either.

What about the odor coming from these things? Are these permanent
porta-pottie units quality built, or cheap crap for cheap crappers?

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Cindy wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 16:23:07 GMT, Peggie Hall
wrote:

KLC Lewis wrote:
After years and years of fighting head-related problems, I replaced Essie's
marine head wtih a decent-size Porta Potti.

Better yet, install one of the 5-6 gal models designed to be permanently
installed and fitted for pumpout. Just as easy to use and maintain...no
plumbing except the vent line and pumpout line--with a y-valve and
macerator or manual diaphragm pump if you want to dump it at sea...and
you don't have to carry it off the boat or hold it over the side to
empty it. Which CAN be problematic, 'cuz a lot of marinas won't let you
dump 'em in their toilets and don't have a portapotty dump station either.


What about the odor coming from these things?

Because the "pumpable" models must be vented, same as any other tank,
they can be maintained aerobically and therefore odor-free.

Are these permanent
porta-pottie units quality built, or cheap crap for cheap crappers?

Like anything else, you get what you pay for. Thetford and SeaLand
portapotties are good quality.

--
Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://shop.sailboatowners.com/books...ku=90&cat=1304

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I never liked emptying the porta pot tank. Nasty job!
Whereas pumping out a holding tank is hassle free.

SV


"Peggie Hall" wrote in message
et...
Cindy wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 16:23:07 GMT, Peggie Hall

wrote:

KLC Lewis wrote:
After years and years of fighting head-related
problems, I replaced Essie's
marine head wtih a decent-size Porta Potti.

Better yet, install one of the 5-6 gal models designed
to be permanently
installed and fitted for pumpout. Just as easy to use
and maintain...no
plumbing except the vent line and pumpout line--with a
y-valve and
macerator or manual diaphragm pump if you want to dump
it at sea...and
you don't have to carry it off the boat or hold it over
the side to
empty it. Which CAN be problematic, 'cuz a lot of
marinas won't let you
dump 'em in their toilets and don't have a portapotty
dump station either.


What about the odor coming from these things?

Because the "pumpable" models must be vented, same as any
other tank,
they can be maintained aerobically and therefore
odor-free.

Are these permanent
porta-pottie units quality built, or cheap crap for
cheap crappers?

Like anything else, you get what you pay for. Thetford and
SeaLand
portapotties are good quality.

--
Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine
Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"

http://shop.sailboatowners.com/books...oks.htm?fno=0&
sku=90&cat=1304

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Scotty wrote:
I never liked emptying the porta pot tank. Nasty job!
Whereas pumping out a holding tank is hassle free.

The only difference between pumping out a permanently installed
"pumpable" portapotty and pumping out any other holding tank is the
location of the tank.

--
Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://shop.sailboatowners.com/books...ku=90&cat=1304

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Peggie Hall wrote:
Scotty wrote:

I never liked emptying the porta pot tank. Nasty job!
Whereas pumping out a holding tank is hassle free.


The only difference between pumping out a permanently installed
"pumpable" portapotty and pumping out any other holding tank is the
location of the tank.



...and the size!
With a Porta Pottie.... auch as my VISA MSD, visits to the pump could be
frequent.

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Don White wrote:
Peggie Hall wrote:
Scotty wrote:

I never liked emptying the porta pot tank. Nasty job!
Whereas pumping out a holding tank is hassle free.


The only difference between pumping out a permanently installed
"pumpable" portapotty and pumping out any other holding tank is the
location of the tank.



..and the size!
With a Porta Pottie.... auch as my VISA MSD, visits to the pump could be
frequent.

Because they use so little flush water--only 1-2 cupfuls, a 5-6 gal
portapottie holds 50-60 flushes.

Otoh, the average flush volume from a marine toilet is about .5 gal...so
you'd need a 25-30 gal tank to hold the same number of flushes.

Although 2-3 gal portapotties are also available as "pumpable" models, a
tank that small isn't really worth the effort or pumpout expense. Nor
would I recommend going with a portable 5-6 gal model...'cuz full, the
tank weighs about 50 lbs, which is a LOT to haul off the boat and carry
anywhere.

What is a "VISA MSD?"

--
Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://shop.sailboatowners.com/books...ku=90&cat=1304

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Peggie Hall wrote:
Don White wrote:

Peggie Hall wrote:

Scotty wrote:

I never liked emptying the porta pot tank. Nasty job!
Whereas pumping out a holding tank is hassle free.



The only difference between pumping out a permanently installed
"pumpable" portapotty and pumping out any other holding tank is the
location of the tank.



..and the size!
With a Porta Pottie.... auch as my VISA MSD, visits to the pump could
be frequent.


Because they use so little flush water--only 1-2 cupfuls, a 5-6 gal
portapottie holds 50-60 flushes.

Otoh, the average flush volume from a marine toilet is about .5 gal...so
you'd need a 25-30 gal tank to hold the same number of flushes.

Although 2-3 gal portapotties are also available as "pumpable" models, a
tank that small isn't really worth the effort or pumpout expense. Nor
would I recommend going with a portable 5-6 gal model...'cuz full, the
tank weighs about 50 lbs, which is a LOT to haul off the boat and carry
anywhere.

What is a "VISA MSD?"


An older MSD that came with my Sandpiper 565 sailboat.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...d/Hpim0171.jpg
In Ontario, & I believe Quebec, you must have a pumpout...even on small
MSDs. I understand it's illegal to have a normal camping style porta
pottie on your boat. I bought my 1986 boat in Quebec..so it came with
the device.