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Mythbusters did a piece recently on non-prescription (over the counter)
antidotes to seasickness. It included those wrist bands, various concoctions and ginger. Only ginger worked. We always carry ginger root on board as well as ginger beer (not ginger ale). The prescription drugs also worked but left people drowsy or even spaced out. |
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Joe wrote:
Steve Thrasher wrote: Scotty wrote: The only time I felt queasy was anchored in a storm, closed up cabin, with an alcohol stove cooking spaghetti. Not a good combination. In 1957 my dad was assigned to Hickam AFB. We drove to San Francisco and boarded a WWII US Navy troop transport, refurbished slightly. For our first meal out, just after passing under the Golden Gate and catching some swells, was "Split Pea Soup". Wonderful stuff, green and slopping about in the waves. Wuss.. Green pea will settle the stomach.... to bland, Coonass fish head and rice soup, now thats the ticket. The Greasy pork chops....thats a standard. Bacon works good too! Top things off with a nice Cigar...once you get the weak ones blowing chunks the rest are easy. It also helps if you make wall paper for the head by printing this 100 times: http://www.artlex.com/ArtLex/o/image...circeye_lg.jpg Joe ;o) Joe Porridge. Tastes exactly the same when puked up as when eaten. Dennis. |
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Gogarty wrote: Mythbusters did a piece recently on non-prescription (over the counter) antidotes to seasickness. It included those wrist bands, various concoctions and ginger. Only ginger worked. We always carry ginger root on board as well as ginger beer (not ginger ale). The prescription drugs also worked but left people drowsy or even spaced out. On that same show they tested 2 people and 1 said that the drug that worked best was the placebo (sugar pill). Of course when they tested him, they told him that it was a new drug and he didn't get sick at all. That tells me for some it is a mind game. If you feel relaxed and believe it what you are taking will cure you, you will be fine. I have horrible memories as a child, first time out far and getting really sick. It stuck with me for awhile, until one day, someone I was fishing with started to get sick and I was laughing (which is customary on a fishing boat) and for some reason I haven't gotten sick since. I don't know if seeing someone else get sick and laughing took my mind off it long enough for me to forget my fear or what, but I do fine now (of course I'll go out tomorrow and barf my brains out now that I made this public). |
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FishinJC wrote: The prescription drugs also worked but left people drowsy or even spaced out. In all these post the one thing that i have not read is a quantitative description of the sea state (that's using numbers for all the sailing.asa readers). So a drug left people drowsy or even spaced out. Personally after heaving my guts out for two days then totally dehydrated and incapacitated for days 3&4 I would most certainly take the drowsy and even spaced out option. Granted the sea state that caused my marathon puke fest was extreme. So take the drugs and get er dun. On that same show they tested 2 people and 1 said that the drug that worked best was the placebo (sugar pill). Of course when they tested him, they told him that it was a new drug and he didn't get sick at all. That tells me for some it is a mind game. If you feel relaxed and believe it what you are taking will cure you, you will be fine. This is an excellent point................ What is the expected placebo effect for any given sample/study group? Cant remember but I think the folks who submit to the NJM mentioned, maybe 6%-12% of people are head cases. Anybody know the typical expected placebo effect for humans? Bob |
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Sea state matters, as does the size of the vessel in the sea state. Even
so, the first cruise I ever took with my wife to be was a large passenger ship where the sea state was mill pond. She was very, very sick. But that was it. Our honeymoon was eleven days at sea on an even larger ship in some horrendous weather where the ship clnaged like a gong and we have been sailing on our own boat for years. Never another problem for either of us thugh we have had the occasional guest for whom the day was no fun at all. Even busted up one romance. He got sick; she did not. |
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On Fri, 23 Jun 2006 14:40:36 -0400, Gogarty
wrote: Sea state matters, as does the size of the vessel in the sea state. And the type and amplitude of motion that the vessel generates. There are 40 footers with a very solid motion and there are others that generate a weird cork screw effect. Guess which one is worse, I'm getting queasy just thinking about it. |
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Wayne.B wrote in
: My trawler has stabilizers, send her to SWFL. In your dreams.....(c; |
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"Bill Kearney" wrote in
t: Yeah, bent over is one thing, bent over and hurling their guts up just doesn't qualify as a turn-on. I was driving the Amel under sail around the harbor, on another nice day cruise. She laid on her belly on a towel up under the main in front of me on the port side. I wouldn't have even notice our collision course with a 950' containership, especially after she released the clip on the back of that metallic green top! "Oh, look! Is that the emergency tiller?!"......(c; |
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"Solo Thesailor" wrote in
oups.com: keep drinking This is what usually makes me sick before we drag ourselves out and untie the damned boat in the first place....(c; Party....party.....dock party.... |
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Martin Baxter wrote in :
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Gogarty wrote in
: left people drowsy or even spaced out. Hell, that describes 70% of the people on any dock...(c; |
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Bob opined:
On that same show they tested 2 people and 1 said that the drug that worked best was the placebo (sugar pill). Of course when they tested him, they told him that it was a new drug and he didn't get sick at all. That tells me for some it is a mind game. If you feel relaxed and believe it what you are taking will cure you, you will be fine. This is an excellent point................ What is the expected placebo effect for any given sample/study group? Cant remember but I think the folks who submit to the NJM mentioned, maybe 6%-12% of people are head cases. Anybody know the typical expected placebo effect for humans? Bob A few years ago there was a widely published study (released to the news media) that pitted placebo against the well known SSRI's like Paxil, etc. What they found was that several drugs made people worse, the drug that worked the best scored a 15% improvement (subjective, rated by the patients on standardized scoresheets) and the placebo rated 45%. Evidently, since the brain controls the body, and the mind controls the brain - then changing the mind can change the body's responses. This is borne out by studies of people with multiple personalities: several documented cases of M.P's have a serious disease in the body during the manifestation of one personality, but not during another. One case I remember reading about the patient had type I diabetes (non-insulin producing) in one personality, but produced normal levels of insulin in another personality as measured during blood tests. A good demonstration is when a hypnotist has the subject believe they are as stiff as a board, and is then placed horizontally over two chairs - one under the head, the other under the feet. Then the hypnotist stands on the suspended person's belly with no apparent strain by the subject to hold him up for an extended time period. Most demonstration subjects report that they felt no strain or effort during the demonstration. Beliefs are powerful. |
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Larry wrote: "Bill Kearney" wrote in t: Yeah, bent over is one thing, bent over and hurling their guts up just doesn't qualify as a turn-on. I was driving the Amel under sail around the harbor, on another nice day cruise. She laid on her belly on a towel up under the main in front of me on the port side. I wouldn't have even notice our collision course with a 950' containership, especially after she released the clip on the back of that metallic green top! I think I have seen the picture of her on her back titled "two point navigation system" ... :{)) L8R |
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"Don White" wrote in message ... DSK wrote: "Scotty" wrote: I have a non-boating friend who's going on a cruise next week. He's concerned about seasickness. I told him ginger is a good cure. I bought him a box of Ginger Snaps ( more for a joke ). Should he start munching on these before he steps onboard or wait till / if he feels bad? Wait at least until the boat starts rocking, but not necessarily until that old queasy feeling sets in. Ginger ale also works nicely, although if you overdo it, the carbonation is bad. "Wayne.B" wrote The one remedy which works for just avout everyone and is clinically proven: http://www.prevent-motion-sickness-scopolamine.com/ Yeah but they have side effects. Capt. JG wrote: The patches work for me, but they make me unusually thirsty... more than I can stand, sort of like feeling that I've been marching in desert conditions, so I don't use them. Plus they can give you a hangover worse than tequila. And it seems to hit some people really hard, I went on a charter trip with a girl years ago who was practically in a coma from her scopolamine patches. She slept for 40 hours straight and it took over a week to get out of her system. Fresh Breezes- Doug King The first time we sailed 30nm down the coast to our 'summer club' I took the patch. Man did I get drowsy. When we got home around 2200 hrs I flopped into the bed and didn't wake up till the next afternoon. That never happens to me. I was completely wiped. I've had an unpleasant experience with these as well. Didn't eat any dinner before the 80 mile offshore cruise (no use wasting it) and used a full patch. Did I ever get dizzy, phew. Burning sensation in mouth as well. Now I'm only 140 pounds and with no dinner I guess I was overdosed. I've heard you should cut them in half for children. Didn't use anything on the way back and was fine. Never again. |
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Sailaway wrote: A few years ago there was a widely published study (released to the news media) that pitted placebo against the well known SSRI's like Paxil, etc. What they found was that several drugs made people worse, the drug that worked the best scored a 15% improvement (subjective, rated by the patients on standardized scoresheets) and the placebo rated 45%. Beliefs are powerful. Geeze.......... 45%!?!?! But I gotta ask who were the test subjects? Were they or had been SSRI users? If so I would think the study was skewed with a bunch of head cases. I just can not believe that 45% of the general population would say they felt better after swalling a sugar cube. But hey, may be I am just ignorant and not in touch with my inner spiritual healing center. I'll sell my boat buy an 18' teepee, eat tofu, shove alfalfa up my ass, and find some fat chick with hairy legs to share my spiritual quest while living on USFS land and collecting food stamps? SantaCruze-SF-Ashland-Eugene..... |
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"Scotty" wrote in message ... I have a non-boating friend who's going on a cruise next week. He's concerned about seasickness. I told him ginger is a good cure. I bought him a box of Ginger Snaps ( more for a joke ). Should he start munching on these before he steps onboard or wait till / if he feels bad? I'll add my opinion to all the rest. Seasickness is 50% physical and 50% in the mind. It is triggered by confusion between the signals from the eyes and ears(balance). The treatment for the physical 50% is easy. Get Stugeron. Take *half* a tablet one hour before setting sail. A whole tablet seems to cause uncomfortable drowsiness. The treatment for the "in the mind" side is also quite simple. Look at the horizon .... this will synchronise the signals from the eyes and ears. On a sailboat, this is easy. However, on a cruise ship this will be a bit more difficult. If it is at all rough, then you should stay on the upper decks where you can look at the horizon if your stomach begins to feel a bit funny. After the first 24 hours the problem is likely to dissappear. I can get seasick in a very short time. However, I have always managed to prevent the decent into hell by getting onto deck quickly, and concentrating on the horizon. If I get on deck quickly enough, I am fully recovered in under a minute. I once took 20 minutes .... and it was touch and go for most of it!! Enjoy your (non-boating friend's) cruise. Regards Donal -- |
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"Donal" wrote in message
... "Scotty" wrote in message ... I have a non-boating friend who's going on a cruise next week. He's concerned about seasickness. I told him ginger is a good cure. I bought him a box of Ginger Snaps ( more for a joke ). Should he start munching on these before he steps onboard or wait till / if he feels bad? I'll add my opinion to all the rest. Seasickness is 50% physical and 50% in the mind. It is triggered by confusion between the signals from the eyes and ears(balance). The treatment for the physical 50% is easy. Get Stugeron. Take *half* a tablet one hour before setting sail. A whole tablet seems to cause uncomfortable drowsiness. The treatment for the "in the mind" side is also quite simple. Look at the horizon .... this will synchronise the signals from the eyes and ears. On a sailboat, this is easy. However, on a cruise ship this will be a bit more difficult. If it is at all rough, then you should stay on the upper decks where you can look at the horizon if your stomach begins to feel a bit funny. After the first 24 hours the problem is likely to dissappear. I can get seasick in a very short time. However, I have always managed to prevent the decent into hell by getting onto deck quickly, and concentrating on the horizon. If I get on deck quickly enough, I am fully recovered in under a minute. I once took 20 minutes .... and it was touch and go for most of it!! Enjoy your (non-boating friend's) cruise. Regards Donal -- I once puked coming through the companion way on my way to the side. Another time, I got puked on when someone else should have stayed topside but decided to go below. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Donal" wrote in message ... I'll add my opinion to all the rest. Seasickness is 50% physical and 50% in the mind. It is triggered by confusion between the signals from the eyes and ears(balance). The times I have been seasick, it was when I didn't get enough rest before getting underway. The previous day were spent running hither and yon for the last minute provisioning, rechecking the boat, and of course the bon voyage party. I know this varies from the original post about the cruise ship, but getting a lot of rest and a good night's sleep before going aboard will help as they will be well rested. I had a friend who would leave the dock and go to first anchorage close by, out of sight of the marina, drop the hook and go to bed. He would get up at first light and then start his voyage. Leanne s/v Fundy |
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"Bob" wrote in message and the placebo rated 45%. Beliefs are powerful. Geeze.......... 45%!?!?! But I gotta ask who were the test subjects? Were they or had been SSRI users? If so I would think the study was skewed with a bunch of head cases. I just can not believe that 45% of the general population would say they felt better after swalling a sugar cube. Placebo effects are interesting, and the effects can be large, but vary with type of intervention and condition. As an example, some years ago I read a trial of the different placebo effects of different coloured pills- white ones didn't have much of an effect, red and yellow a bit more, pink, candy-striped and other wilder colours a bit more again, but the best of the lot were the black pills! Likewise physical interventions like back manipulation/ acupuncture etc have a higher placebo effect than simply taking a pill. Also, the condition treated affects the placebo response- for example trials of migraine remedies often exhibit a placebo response of over 50%, but it is not sustained over time. I suspect seasickness would have a high placebo response. All this explains why we in medicine go to the trouble of double blinded, placebo controlled trials to take out the errors of observer bias and placebo response. Peter HK (physician) |
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"Donal" wrote Seasickness is 50% physical and 50% in the mind. It is triggered by confusion between the signals from the eyes and ears(balance). The treatment for the physical 50% is easy. Get Stugeron. Take *half* a tablet one hour before setting sail. A whole tablet seems to cause uncomfortable drowsiness. The treatment for the "in the mind" side is also quite simple. Look at the horizon .... this will synchronise the signals from the eyes and ears. On a sailboat, this is easy. However, on a cruise ship this will be a bit more difficult. If it is at all rough, then you should stay on the upper decks where you can look at the horizon if your stomach begins to feel a bit funny. After the first 24 hours the problem is likely to dissappear. I can get seasick in a very short time. However, I have always managed to prevent the decent into hell by getting onto deck quickly, and concentrating on the horizon. If I get on deck quickly enough, I am fully recovered in under a minute. I once took 20 minutes .... and it was touch and go for most of it!! Enjoy your (non-boating friend's) cruise. Thanks, I will. Scotty |
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"Skip Gundlach" wrote in
ups.com: I think I have seen the picture of her on her back titled "two point navigation system" ... "Navigator's Pointing Device for lining up the boat to closely sail around a race bouy. You can move the girl to account for tide current drift or the side slipping of the keel in heavy winds. No, this is when she's laying on her belly in front of the helm always with her head towards the bow so she can look up and see where we're going. The view from the helm will take your breath away in that thong.....(c; It's 1AM....Now how am I supposed to get to sleep thinking these evil thoughts?? |
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"Peter HK" wrote in news:RZ1ng.15080$ap3.4397
@news-server.bigpond.net.au: As an example, some years ago I read a trial of the different placebo effects of different coloured pills- white ones didn't have much of an effect, red and yellow a bit more, pink, candy-striped and other wilder colours a bit more again, but the best of the lot were the black pills! I apologize, but I just have to post a story that goes along with this hypothesis..... A psychologist was researching the way small children react to colors. In his research, he used various flavors of life savers getting the children to match the color to the taste. He gave the childred red and they quickly identified it as cherry....green, lime....yellow, lemon and so on. A stumbling block came when he gave them the beige colored honey life savers. They couldn't identify the flavor because most of them had never tasted honey, so he gave them a hint to move the program along. "It's something Mommy calls Daddy at night.", he told them. IMMEDIATELY this little girl spit her beige life saver out on the floor and stuck out her tongue to clear the taste! "Oooooh, Yuck! It's ASSHOLE!", she yelled puckering up her face. |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in
: I once puked coming through the companion way on my way to the side. Another time, I got puked on when someone else should have stayed topside but decided to go below. Too much information!! TOO MUCH INFORMATION!!...... Yecch.... |
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"Leanne" wrote in :
I had a friend who would leave the dock and go to first anchorage close by, out of sight of the marina, drop the hook and go to bed. He would get up at first light and then start his voyage. I also know someone who does this, but it has to do more with Girlfriend v2.0 and Wife v1.6 than it does with Seasickness v4.5. I've seen him heading out as we passed him in his cockpit and he looked like he hadn't had any sleep at all.... |
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The worst sea sickness I ever experienced was twenty years ago during a
sail from SF Bay to Drakes Bay as part of coastal navigation class. Foolishly, I had done pretty much everything one shouldn't do: I'd been out drinking the night before, ate a greasy meal, didn't get enough sleep and didn't bring warm clothes. We had long Alaskan swells off the starboard bow on the way up. I realized I was starting to not feel well but needed to use the head. I went below and by the time I finished I was green. I began throwing up everything I'd ever eaten in my life. When there was nothing left in my stomach I then alternated between dry retching and vomiting bile. Now at that time I did not know that bile was supposed to be bright green, like antifreeze. Seeing that made me worry I was going to die, because obviously nothing that color should come out of a person. After an hour of this I greatly feared I was going to die. After the second hour I greatly feared I wasn't going to die. In fact, I would have welcomed it. The minute we arrived at Drakes Bay and anchored in calm water I was fine. I've cruised a lot since then, and find that without the aid of sea sickness drugs I'm usually unhappy for the first day or two, sometimes I'll get sick, feel "not great" for the next two days after that, and then am fine for the rest of the cruise. I have tried "Sturgeron Retard" (that's the name on the box) that I bought in Mexico and found it useful for keeping me from getting sick for the first few days. It did make me drowsy and cause dry mouth, but nothing too serious. Other than that I found just about all of the home remedies useless except for the obvious: plenty of rest, warm clothes, light foods, no recreational drugs or alcohol, and a good frame of mind. Cheers, Robb Leanne wrote: "Donal" wrote in message ... I'll add my opinion to all the rest. Seasickness is 50% physical and 50% in the mind. It is triggered by confusion between the signals from the eyes and ears(balance). The times I have been seasick, it was when I didn't get enough rest before getting underway. The previous day were spent running hither and yon for the last minute provisioning, rechecking the boat, and of course the bon voyage party. I know this varies from the original post about the cruise ship, but getting a lot of rest and a good night's sleep before going aboard will help as they will be well rested. I had a friend who would leave the dock and go to first anchorage close by, out of sight of the marina, drop the hook and go to bed. He would get up at first light and then start his voyage. Leanne s/v Fundy |
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A good demonstration is when a hypnotist has the subject believe they are as stiff as a board, and is then placed horizontally over two chairs - one under the head, the other under the feet. Then the hypnotist stands on the suspended person's belly with no apparent strain by the subject to hold him up for an extended time period. Most demonstration subjects report that they felt no strain or effort during the demonstration. Beliefs are powerful. So has anyone had any luck with getting a hypnotist/hypnotherapist do their anti-seasickness magic on board, or before boarding? Anyone knows a hypnotherapist would you please invite the person to do the work on samples (if possible, a number large enough to be statistically significant and on double-blind studies, but for this early stage any reports will be just fine) please......? Please report back on this forum, it will be just revolutionary. Solo Thesailor http://sailingstoriesandtips.blogspot.com Read the story about the missing yacht in Bass Strait -that'll tell you about the seastate... |
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Don White wrote:
Scotty wrote: I have a non-boating friend who's going on a cruise next week. He's concerned about seasickness. I told him ginger is a good cure. I bought him a box of Ginger Snaps ( more for a joke ). Should he start munching on these before he steps onboard or wait till / if he feels bad? SBV In addition to ginger snaps, you can use ginger candy (from someplace like the Vermont Country Store), and my mom used to swear by Canada Dry Ginger Ale, which she said was the only REAL ginger ale - don't know if it still is. You have to look at the ingredients to see if it has ginger in it. My husband swears by saltines (which he ate when he was on a destroyer in rough seas). I like hot tea with it. I'd start munching just before I left. If he's on a big cruise ship, I doubt he's be feeling the same way he would on a 33 foot sailboat with 5 foot swells on an aft quarter that might make you pitch, yaw & roll. There are people that get sick even on the big cruise ships - the motion on them is more unpleasant than on a sailboat IMHO. I lot of roll - more than what we get especially if we put up a balancing sail. Too much motion to fill the pool (it would all splash out) and sometimes the forward elevators don't work. If they use stabilizers (when they have them) it slows them down. It doesn't bother me particularly, although if it is really rough I can't read without getting a headache, and I get a little sleepy. But there are a lot of people who get room service, or don't eat at all. However, the cruise ship doctor will have a patch for anyone who needs it. |
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"AMPowers" wrote in message
... The worst sea sickness I ever experienced was twenty years ago during a sail from SF Bay to Drakes Bay as part of coastal navigation class. Foolishly, I had done pretty much everything one shouldn't do: I'd been out drinking the night before, ate a greasy meal, didn't get enough sleep and didn't bring warm clothes. We had long Alaskan swells off the starboard bow on the way up. I realized I was starting to not feel well but needed to use the head. I went below and by the time I finished I was green. I began throwing up everything I'd ever eaten in my life. When there was nothing left in my stomach I then alternated between dry retching and vomiting bile. Now at that time I did not know that bile was supposed to be bright green, like antifreeze. Seeing that made me worry I was going to die, because obviously nothing that color should come out of a person. After an hour of this I greatly feared I was going to die. After the second hour I greatly feared I wasn't going to die. In fact, I would have welcomed it. The minute we arrived at Drakes Bay and anchored in calm water I was fine. I've cruised a lot since then, and find that without the aid of sea sickness drugs I'm usually unhappy for the first day or two, sometimes I'll get sick, feel "not great" for the next two days after that, and then am fine for the rest of the cruise. I have tried "Sturgeron Retard" (that's the name on the box) that I bought in Mexico and found it useful for keeping me from getting sick for the first few days. It did make me drowsy and cause dry mouth, but nothing too serious. Other than that I found just about all of the home remedies useless except for the obvious: plenty of rest, warm clothes, light foods, no recreational drugs or alcohol, and a good frame of mind. Cheers, Robb The turning point for me has always been when I would rather die than not die. Then, I start to feel better. :-) Speaking of which... I'm off to go sailing in and out of the SF bay today and tomorrow. I don't think we'll get as far as Drakes, since it's a class. :-) -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Fri, 23 Jun 2006 16:05:40 -0400, Sailaway
wrote: /// A good demonstration is when a hypnotist has the subject believe they are as stiff as a board, and is then placed horizontally over two chairs - one under the head, the other under the feet. Then the hypnotist stands on the suspended person's belly with no apparent strain by the subject to hold him up for an extended time period. Most demonstration subjects report that they felt no strain or effort during the demonstration. Beliefs are powerful. It is unexpected to people who haven't yet tried it: but lying straight between a head and foot support is something that most people can manage weithout stress. Now supporting another person'e weight in this position is something else. Brian Whatcott Altus OK |
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"Donal" wrote:
My advice first of all for your friend would be - find a place to go out on a boat in rough weather and see how you feel. How do you feel on roller coasters and other amusement rides. If you can do those things, you probably won't get sick on a cruise ship. "Scotty" wrote in message .. . I have a non-boating friend who's going on a cruise next week. He's concerned about seasickness. I told him ginger is a good cure. I bought him a box of Ginger Snaps ( more for a joke ). Should he start munching on these before he steps onboard or wait till / if he feels bad? I'll add my opinion to all the rest. Seasickness is 50% physical and 50% in the mind. It is triggered by confusion between the signals from the eyes and ears(balance). The treatment for the physical 50% is easy. Get Stugeron. Take *half* a tablet one hour before setting sail. A whole tablet seems to cause uncomfortable drowsiness. The treatment for the "in the mind" side is also quite simple. Look at the horizon .... this will synchronise the signals from the eyes and ears. On a sailboat, this is easy. However, on a cruise ship this will be a bit more difficult. If it is at all rough, then you should stay on the upper decks where you can look at the horizon if your stomach begins to feel a bit funny. After the first 24 hours the problem is likely to dissappear. I have only gotten motion sick a couple of times - once I had an earache and was reading in the car. I've been on a ferry crossing the English channel where the waves were crashing over the bow and virtually everyone else was sick except me and my mom (my dad was sick). My mom got us a seat where it was warm but by a window and we drank hot tea. My grandson who is out in his dad's power boat a lot, fishing, was on our boat while we were bashing into the waves. There are fixed portholes in the bow, and all the little boys (3 grandsons) were up in the V birth watching the water splash over the portholes. They thought it was an exciting thrill ride. This grandson got bored of it though, and lay down on the floor to play with his Gameboy - and promptly got sick. Lost all his cred with his cousins. My son was getting queasy in the cockpit, but he couldn't take my husband's usual remedy (saltines) because he'd just had his tonsils out, and his throat was very sore. I can get seasick in a very short time. However, I have always managed to prevent the decent into hell by getting onto deck quickly, and concentrating on the horizon. If I get on deck quickly enough, I am fully recovered in under a minute. I once took 20 minutes .... and it was touch and go for most of it!! One of the first times we went out on our boat we were going south from the Patuxent to the Potomac and there was a south wind which had been blowing for some time. We left about 10 - it was a cold April day. The tide was going out (against the wind) and the boat was banging into the square waves and taking green water over the bow. I was at the wheel, and I did start to get a little queasy, but Bob kept saying that being at the helm was the best thing for me. At one point the anchor came loose and was banging up and down on the bow. Bob had to go out and secure it. We didn't have any jacklines, and I knew if he went overboard I couldn't get him back, but he hung on tight and did the job. He also had to go out a little later and take down the staysail. Finally about 3:30 in the afternoon, I said to him - you HAVE to take the wheel, I can't do this anymore. So he did. I dropped a pencil, and leaned over to pick it up, and had an moment of intense nausea (but did not throw up), and then when I sat up, it all went away and I was completely fine. I think the uneasy feeling I had been experiencing was nervous tension from having to hand steer for that length of time. Enjoy your (non-boating friend's) cruise. Regards Donal |
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Rosalie B. wrote:
"Donal" wrote: My advice first of all for your friend would be - find a place to go out on a boat in rough weather and see how you feel. How do you feel on roller coasters and other amusement rides. If you can do those things, you probably won't get sick on a cruise ship. "Scotty" wrote in message ... I have a non-boating friend who's going on a cruise next week. He's concerned about seasickness. I told him ginger is a good cure. I bought him a box of Ginger Snaps ( more for a joke ). Should he start munching on these before he steps onboard or wait till / if he feels bad? I'll add my opinion to all the rest. Seasickness is 50% physical and 50% in the mind. It is triggered by confusion between the signals from the eyes and ears(balance). The treatment for the physical 50% is easy. Get Stugeron. Take *half* a tablet one hour before setting sail. A whole tablet seems to cause uncomfortable drowsiness. The treatment for the "in the mind" side is also quite simple. Look at the horizon .... this will synchronise the signals from the eyes and ears. On a sailboat, this is easy. However, on a cruise ship this will be a bit more difficult. If it is at all rough, then you should stay on the upper decks where you can look at the horizon if your stomach begins to feel a bit funny. After the first 24 hours the problem is likely to dissappear. I have only gotten motion sick a couple of times - once I had an earache and was reading in the car. I've been on a ferry crossing the English channel where the waves were crashing over the bow and virtually everyone else was sick except me and my mom (my dad was sick). My mom got us a seat where it was warm but by a window and we drank hot tea. My grandson who is out in his dad's power boat a lot, fishing, was on our boat while we were bashing into the waves. There are fixed portholes in the bow, and all the little boys (3 grandsons) were up in the V birth watching the water splash over the portholes. They thought it was an exciting thrill ride. This grandson got bored of it though, and lay down on the floor to play with his Gameboy - and promptly got sick. Lost all his cred with his cousins. My son was getting queasy in the cockpit, but he couldn't take my husband's usual remedy (saltines) because he'd just had his tonsils out, and his throat was very sore. I can get seasick in a very short time. However, I have always managed to prevent the decent into hell by getting onto deck quickly, and concentrating on the horizon. If I get on deck quickly enough, I am fully recovered in under a minute. I once took 20 minutes .... and it was touch and go for most of it!! One of the first times we went out on our boat we were going south from the Patuxent to the Potomac and there was a south wind which had been blowing for some time. We left about 10 - it was a cold April day. The tide was going out (against the wind) and the boat was banging into the square waves and taking green water over the bow. I was at the wheel, and I did start to get a little queasy, but Bob kept saying that being at the helm was the best thing for me. At one point the anchor came loose and was banging up and down on the bow. Bob had to go out and secure it. We didn't have any jacklines, and I knew if he went overboard I couldn't get him back, but he hung on tight and did the job. He also had to go out a little later and take down the staysail. Finally about 3:30 in the afternoon, I said to him - you HAVE to take the wheel, I can't do this anymore. So he did. I dropped a pencil, and leaned over to pick it up, and had an moment of intense nausea (but did not throw up), and then when I sat up, it all went away and I was completely fine. I think the uneasy feeling I had been experiencing was nervous tension from having to hand steer for that length of time. Enjoy your (non-boating friend's) cruise. Regards Donal Only times I have ever gotten queasy on a boat was in extreme heat and humidity with lolling, glassy seas...rough weather usually provides enough activity that you don't have time to sit and think about being seasick...object is focus...if you focus on doing something, it will alleviate the situation.... |
Seasickness
Bob wrote:
Geeze.......... 45%!?!?! But I gotta ask who were the test subjects? Were they or had been SSRI users? If so I would think the study was skewed with a bunch of head cases. I just can not believe that 45% of the general population would say they felt better after swalling a sugar cube. Snip Hi Bob, I don't recall all the details of the study , I just had the small newspaper article about it a few years ago. From what I recollect all the patients were people who had mild depression, which is what SSRI's are generally supposed to be for. I don't recall if the article stated if the patients had experience using SSRI's prior to the study. |
Seasickness
Donal wrote:
Seasickness is 50% physical and 50% in the mind. It is triggered by confusion between the signals from the eyes and ears(balance). Snip The treatment for the "in the mind" side is also quite simple. Look at the horizon .... this will synchronise the signals from the eyes and ears. On a sailboat, this is easy. However, on a cruise ship this will be a bit more difficult. If it is at all rough, then you should stay on the upper decks where you can look at the horizon if your ?stomach begins to feel a bit funny. After the first 24 hours the problem is likely to dissappear. When I got seasick the first time I was working on a small (303') top-heavy ship for NOAA going across the Atlantic. I found that after about 6 or 7 days of misery that if I was below decks I could just defocus my eyes when going down a passageway - just sort of look at nothing, and the sickness would go away. After awhile of doing that it became habit and never got seasick again. |
Seasickness
Solo Thesailor wrote:
So has anyone had any luck with getting a hypnotist/hypnotherapist do their anti-seasickness magic on board, or before boarding? Anyone knows a hypnotherapist would you please invite the person to do the work on samples (if possible, a number large enough to be statistically significant and on double-blind studies, but for this early stage any reports will be just fine) please......? Please report back on this forum, it will be just revolutionary. Solo Thesailor The trouble with doing it onboard is that you need the person's attention, and their attention is usually focused strongly on their feelings. It certainly can be done, but most people in that state will be uncooperative, despite their own best efforts. Doing it right before hand depends upon, once again, getting their undivided attention - easier than when they are already sick, but even better is to do it long before they even go to the marina, esp. in a professional setting. As for double blind, placebo-controlled, crossover studies... since we're dealing with an abstract (the mind) I wonder if that sort of study is applicable. There seems to be enormous differences in the abilities of hypnotists, so that would have to be factored in. Plus, some hypnotists are experts in stage hypnosis, while others are better in clinical settings. There are people out there that will get change from one type, but not the other. I would think you would have to do the complete study with one hypnotist, then repeat the whole thing using another hypnotist, etc. just to get pretty good results of some kind to make the study valid. |
Seasickness
"AMPowers" wrote Now at that time I did not know that bile was supposed to be bright green, like antifreeze. Seeing that made me worry I was going to die, because obviously nothing that color should come out of a person. Hahahaha, kinda like the first time one eats fresh beets... Seahag (Never puked but came close after 36 hours on a small boat in a hurricane with someone who did non-stop in the galley sink.) |
Seasickness
Sailaway wrote: ... but even better is to do it long before they even go to the marina, esp. in a professional setting. ..... Is there some basis for this or is it an opinion/theory -I would appreciate further thoughts. Might actually call on a hypnotherapist before a 7-10 days 1,150 nM race, am wondering wheter it is better nearer the time. Cheers Solo Thesailor http://sailingstoriesandtips.blogspot.com |
Hypnosis for Seasickness - was Seasickness
Solo Thesailor wrote:
Sailaway wrote: ... but even better is to do it long before they even go to the marina, esp. in a professional setting. ..... Is there some basis for this or is it an opinion/theory -I would appreciate further thoughts. Might actually call on a hypnotherapist before a 7-10 days 1,150 nM race, am wondering wheter it is better nearer the time. Cheers Solo Thesailor http://sailingstoriesandtips.blogspot.com For most people your ability to relax, follow instructions, and trust the hypnotist you're working with are the important things in order to have the best results. With some stage hypnotists its a little different because the whole setting and dynamics are different. But the majority of people will be able to make lasting internal change in their responses during a clinical setting where the hypnotist has far more control in the process, as well as the time to do it right. In addition, most (not all) stage hypnotists are not very good at change work, and may not even have that kind of training. Remember, their main job is entertainment. NLP, a much more sophisticated form of hypnosis is frequently much faster and more eloquent in making lasting change, and many clinical hypnotists have some of that training. NLP is frequently done while you are in a fully conscious state, rather than in the deeply relaxed state normally associated with hypnosis. All that said, while it is very possible to have the change you are looking for with almost any hypnotist, there is still the small chance of just not 'clicking' with the hypnotist you are working with. Most people will have some results from a session, many people will have good results, and a few will not get results. This may not be anyone's fault, it may just be dynamics and if that should happen you should definitely go to another experienced hypnotist. Keep this in mind, hypnosis isn't magic, it is a way of using techniques that your mind already is familiar with and is using to learn. But just like you don't always learn well with one teacher in school, another will present the same subject in a slightly different way and you just *magically* understand it - it just 'clicks'. As for doing it nearer the time of the race, it shouldn't matter if the job was done right. If you get permanent change then its a done deal. But you may want to test it while you still have time before the race so you are sure. |
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Thank you Sailaway. I will search for a good hypnotherapist and do it. Additionally it would be great to have other people get the treatment too so that collectively we might work towards a good cure. Just imagine....how fantastic that would be! BTW don't you differentiate hypnotherapists (fix problems, subject fully conscious) from hypnotists? Would you need repeat sessions every few years? How best do I find a good one? Any reports from hypnotherapists/hypnotists/nueropsychologists? Any of you are sailors?? Vance, Vance, Vance....come in please, any take on this? Any stories? From: Vance E. Lear - view profile Date: Sun, Sep 28 1997 12:00 am Groups: alt.sailing.asa Hypnosis can be very effective in suppressing "Sea Sickness" without undesirable side-effects. The problem is in finding a "hypnotist" who has the slighttest idea of what theyare doing. Vance E. Lear, Ph.D., Nueropsychology. Solo Thesailor http://sailingstoriesandtips.blogspot.com |
Hypnosis for Seasickness - was Seasickness
BTW don't you differentiate hypnotherapists (fix problems, subject
fully conscious) from hypnotists? Would you need repeat sessions every few years? How best do I find a good one? Any reports from hypnotherapists/hypnotists/nueropsychologists? Any of Snip Hi Solo, I call 'em all hypnotists, cause that's essentially what they all do. In most states, unless he's a licensed counselor of some sort he cannot legally call himself a "therapist". Besides, he isn't doing therapy, he's doing something far quicker and more effective for the covered issues than really any other method. Remember, what we call *hypnosis* is really just a set of patterns that your brain uses to learn from, quickly, and on the unconscious level to change a habitual pattern, or learn a new pattern. When you get a good change, then your brain will continue to reinforce that change over time. The speed you attain that change depends on a number of factors like, the skill level of the operator, your comfort with him/her, how fast your brain learns this particular new pattern, how much change material was presented in a session, the methods employed by the operator, your internal self talk, etc. and the list goes on. This change can, and frequently does, take one good session. But it can also take numerous sessions. Therefore you should go into it with no expectations or preconceived notions and just go with the flow. Its an enjoyable learning experience. As for finding a *good* hypnotist, that's a tough one to give you, but I'll just give you some basic advice that will get you started. Since there are too many factors to consider including just dumb luck, if it were me looking I would first look for one who does it full time for a living. Ask about his credentials and schooling/background - especially if he is skilled in Neuro-Linguistic Programming (NLP) and uses it routinely. You can call the American Board of Hypnotherapy and ask if they have any references in your area (although I don't recommend calling the Nat'l Guild of Hypnotists, because they just don't have any idea about the skill levels of any of their members - anyone can join), or call one of the NLP organizations. And at the risk of incurring wrath (Vince, don't hit me :)), while I have nothing but good things to say about them otherwise, psychologists, with very rare but notable exception, usually do not comprehend hypnosis very well, and most don't have any hypnosis training. Many of them are even outright hostile towards it, due no doubt to their lack of understanding it. In most cases it seems that if they have any training in it at all (it will usually be no more than a weekend or a week long course) they will use relaxation techniques and then do the same psychological stuff they tried when you were conscious, instead of using hypnosis techniques. So once again just to be clear, hypnosis and psychology are not the same thing, and the techniques really aren't much related except that they both deal with the mind. To be fair, some psychologists today are getting some NLP training, which is helping change their perspectives. One last thing, if keeping your change is a concern for you, then a strong suggestion is to learn self-hypnosis. Once you've done traditional hypnosis, learning to do it on yourself is easy. Had a client some years ago who I didn't know had motion sickness until a few weeks after I had taught her self hypnosis. She told me one day she did the self hypnosis just before a limo ride and never got sick, something that would have brought on a severe case of it beforehand. Good luck, let us know how it works out. |
Hypnosis for Seasickness - was Seasickness
Correction: Just to be more clear - In most states, unless he's a
licensed counselor or therapist of some sort who's license allows him to refer to himself as a therapist, then he cannot legally hold himself out to be a therapist. Caveat Emptor Sailaway wrote: In most states, unless he's a licensed counselor of some sort he cannot legally call himself a "therapist". Snip |
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