krj wrote in news:lbVlg.506$Ju2.28
@bignews1.bellsouth.net:

Do you realize how many amps a 6000 btu air conditioner would require at
12 volts? Hey Larry, they don't just take heaters to the boat.
krj



Yeah, but they're not smiling luggin' a 12V AC down the dock.

Hmm....My 8000 window unit in the computer room runs about 800 watts.....

800 watts divided by 14 volts (to be fairer) still equals a CONSTANT DRAIN
of over 57 amps!

Man, we're back trying to figure out where to stow these 3 ton submarine
cells, again, to run it all!....

Nope...A/C is NEVER gonna run off 12V!

"But you sold me a 4,000 watt inverter, didn't you?"......(c;

http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs...oducte/10001/-
1/10001/139948/0/0/inverter/All_2/mode+matchallpartial/0/0
"Only $US3,299.99" at Waste Marine!

Larry wrote:
Hmm....My 8000 window unit in the computer room runs about 800 watts.....

800 watts divided by 14 volts (to be fairer) still equals a CONSTANT DRAIN
of over 57 amps!

Man, we're back trying to figure out where to stow these 3 ton submarine
cells, again, to run it all!....

Nope...A/C is NEVER gonna run off 12V!

Hmm... 3 ton submarine cells. Too bad we couldn't
talk the manufacturers into making my 8500 lb keel
into one big lead acid battery ;-)

Don W.

Don W wrote in news:bjfmg.153139$F_
:

Hmm... 3 ton submarine cells. Too bad we couldn't
talk the manufacturers into making my 8500 lb keel
into one big lead acid battery ;-)



Call Electric Boat!

Electric Boat Corp
75 Eastern Point Rd
Groton, CT zip code
Phone: (860) 433-3000

They've got lots of experience with submarine battery banks....(c;

"Can we build one for you?"

On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:45:43 -0400, Larry wrote:

Call Electric Boat!

Electric Boat Corp
75 Eastern Point Rd
Groton, CT zip code
Phone: (860) 433-3000

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Better yet:

http://www.duffyelectricboats.com/

Wayne.B wrote in
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http://www.duffyelectricboats.com/


Wow...Rolls Batteries (Would you use anything else in a Duffy?!) lists 8D
batteries between $433 and $907 each on:
http://www.staabbattery.com/rolls_de...atteries.shtml
We'll need the biggest capacity superbattery as only the best will do.

$907 each times 16 batteries equals $14,512 if you replaced them TODAY.
With a 7 year warranty that's conspicuously missing from the warranty
explanation webpage I'm not sure how long the REPLACEMENT warranty actually
is, but from the look of the other batteries, a 72 month battery only
replaces for 18 months. Beyond that it is pro rated down to nothing at 72
months. Anyone had an old Rolls deep cycle like the 8D replaced by them?

If they last 3 years before the capacity starts limiting cruising range
uncomfortably, at today's awful inflation rate over the next 3 years of,
say, 15%, replacement's gonna cost you around $16,000 to 17,000 PLUS
INFLATION EVERY 3 years....or so...

Sure makes what the boatyard told you it was gonna cost to overhaul the old
3 cyl Yanmar look real cheap after 7000 hours, doesn't it?

And, curiously, the Yanmar doesn't eat itself just sitting at the dock like
lead-acid batteries do.

OUCH!

On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 23:39:47 -0400, Larry wrote:

If they last 3 years before the capacity starts limiting cruising range
uncomfortably, at today's awful inflation rate over the next 3 years of,
say, 15%, replacement's gonna cost you around $16,000 to 17,000 PLUS
INFLATION EVERY 3 years....or so...

Rolls batteries typically last 7 to 10 years if well cared for. We
are *not* talking Walmart quality here. Most of the folks who buy
those beautiful little Duffy boats are old enough that 7 to 10 years
is as good as a lifetime warranty.

Wayne.B wrote in
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Rolls batteries typically last 7 to 10 years if well cared for. We
are *not* talking Walmart quality here. Most of the folks who buy
those beautiful little Duffy boats are old enough that 7 to 10 years
is as good as a lifetime warranty.



Running sailboat lighting, the stereo and some electronics with the
intermittent load of the bilge pump and inverter is a far cry from
running a 20 horsepower DC propulsion motor pulling a large boat at 8
knots, discharging the hell out of the Sooperbatteries in the process.

Guessing, using the standard 846 watts/hp, 20hp = 16,920 watts divided by
the 96 volts all the series batteries produce = 176 (and change) AMPS if
you're running it at 8 knots, wide open. Wanna bet they get HOT?!

Pouring out 180 amps from a plastic cased lead-acid battery, subject to
physics and chemistry no amount of advertising hype can contradict, I
submit there's no way a Rolls sooper-dooper battery will survive 7 years
of this abuse, which amounts to connecting your Rolls house batteries to
the starter motor and driving home without diesel fuel every time you run
the boat.

I'd love to test this theory if Rolls is willing to fund the Duffy and
$14,000 worth of Rolls batteries for an honest test, however. LET THE
DEEP CYCLING BEGIN!

I see the accessories all run off yet another $900 house battery. I
didn't add that figure in because every boat has those.

The damned battery supplies from anywhere seem to go flat when someone
shows up with the simplest calculator and ohms law asking embarrassing
questions why the 4KW inverter can't run 2 ton of air conditioning off
$15,000 in batteries....(c;