Oh, that hurt!
 

I stopped in to ask the yard manager when they would get to replacing
my stern bearing because I don’t want to find out a couple days before
launch that the shaft has to come out. The rudder modification on my
boat requires that the rudder come off first. He said he would check
with so and so and we each headed our respective ways.

I looked over a few steps into my walk to the boat and saw the stern
bearing puller so I tacked and decided I might as well hear what he
had to say. It was raining hard so we both under our parka hoods. I
heard the manager say from under his hood, "Say (stern bearing
puller), you know that job I spoke to you about, the stern bearing on
the ugly Endeavour…."

The stern bearing puller glanced over at me, the manager looked around
his hood and recovered quickly, continuing like nothing had happened.

Well, she is an ugly boat. The sheer stripe is worn and shows white
underneath the paint, the gold tape put on years ago in Florida is
chipped. The superstructure gel coat is chalky and all the varnished
teak is peeling and mottled with gray. There is also a little glitch
in the sheer line which usually isn't very noticeable but her position
in the yard is exactly right to make it jump right out at you.

I’ve spent most of my career around hard working boats so yachting
spit and polish doesn’t do much for me. I expect the outside of a boat
to be pretty beat up. I hardly even looked at the outside when I
bought this boat except for the equipment and the layout. I bought her
because it was the hull shape I wanted, a heavily built boat with
slippery shape, and the nicest interior I’ve seen on any glass boat
under twice the price we paid. Still, I find myself looking at her a
little differently every time I walk up to her now. I guess it’s like
when a parent overhears someone say for the first time, "Oh, what an
ugly baby."

Those of you who have seen the yacht designs on my web site

http://home.maine.rr.com/rlma/Boats.htm

know that I have some basis for claiming to know what makes a boat
look good. The tall ships were even designed after researching the
classic mathematical ratios used by designers of the period to make
every aspect of the rig and hull proportions harmonize around
proportions the eye expected to see. It’s a little odd to be in love
with this boat, sort of like those few movie stars that are married to
rather plain looking women.

One thing I learned early in my brief yacht design career was that, if
you put a clipper bow on a boat, everyone would say, "Oh, how
beautiful!", even if it wasn’t. A boat of rather plain configuration
can be proportioned properly and the lines of cabin and sheer blended
and harmonized. Something with all the attributes that say, "Elegance"
can be completely screwed up and few will notice.

The E32 was drawn to be a rather plain and straightforward boat. Ted
Irwin knew what he was doing, however. He wasn’t trying to make an
aesthetic statement but there is a straightforward integrity and
competence about her lines that I find very easy to nice at.

Still, I really didn’t like hearing that.

--
Roger Long

Oh, that hurt!
 

Roger,,, don't get upset... if it was my boat the boatyard dope would have
said "the ugly guy's boat".

Just remember ,,, when you need to give them a check .. spit and **** on it
first. Then, very nicely hand it to the yard manager. Say "an ugly check
for an ugly boat"... make sure that the **** do stink, also.

As you can see, I hate boatyards, marinas and the people who work there.



"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
I stopped in to ask the yard manager when they would get to replacing my
stern bearing because I don't want to find out a couple days before launch
that the shaft has to come out. The rudder modification on my boat requires
that the rudder come off first. He said he would check with so and so and
we each headed our respective ways.

I looked over a few steps into my walk to the boat and saw the stern
bearing puller so I tacked and decided I might as well hear what he had to
say. It was raining hard so we both under our parka hoods. I heard the
manager say from under his hood, "Say (stern bearing puller), you know
that job I spoke to you about, the stern bearing on the ugly Endeavour.."

The stern bearing puller glanced over at me, the manager looked around his
hood and recovered quickly, continuing like nothing had happened.

Well, she is an ugly boat. The sheer stripe is worn and shows white
underneath the paint, the gold tape put on years ago in Florida is
chipped. The superstructure gel coat is chalky and all the varnished teak
is peeling and mottled with gray. There is also a little glitch in the
sheer line which usually isn't very noticeable but her position in the
yard is exactly right to make it jump right out at you.

I've spent most of my career around hard working boats so yachting spit
and polish doesn't do much for me. I expect the outside of a boat to be
pretty beat up. I hardly even looked at the outside when I bought this
boat except for the equipment and the layout. I bought her because it was
the hull shape I wanted, a heavily built boat with slippery shape, and the
nicest interior I've seen on any glass boat under twice the price we paid.
Still, I find myself looking at her a little differently every time I walk
up to her now. I guess it's like when a parent overhears someone say for
the first time, "Oh, what an ugly baby."

Those of you who have seen the yacht designs on my web site

http://home.maine.rr.com/rlma/Boats.htm

know that I have some basis for claiming to know what makes a boat look
good. The tall ships were even designed after researching the classic
mathematical ratios used by designers of the period to make every aspect
of the rig and hull proportions harmonize around proportions the eye
expected to see. It's a little odd to be in love with this boat, sort of
like those few movie stars that are married to rather plain looking women.

One thing I learned early in my brief yacht design career was that, if you
put a clipper bow on a boat, everyone would say, "Oh, how beautiful!",
even if it wasn't. A boat of rather plain configuration can be
proportioned properly and the lines of cabin and sheer blended and
harmonized. Something with all the attributes that say, "Elegance" can be
completely screwed up and few will notice.

The E32 was drawn to be a rather plain and straightforward boat. Ted Irwin
knew what he was doing, however. He wasn't trying to make an aesthetic
statement but there is a straightforward integrity and competence about
her lines that I find very easy to nice at.

Still, I really didn't like hearing that.

--
Roger Long

Oh, that hurt!
 

Roger Long wrote:

I stopped in to ask the yard manager when they would get to replacing
my stern bearing because I don’t want to find out a couple days before
launch that the shaft has to come out. The rudder modification on my
boat requires that the rudder come off first. He said he would check
with so and so and we each headed our respective ways.

I looked over a few steps into my walk to the boat and saw the stern
bearing puller so I tacked and decided I might as well hear what he
had to say. It was raining hard so we both under our parka hoods. I
heard the manager say from under his hood, "Say (stern bearing
puller), you know that job I spoke to you about, the stern bearing on
the ugly Endeavour…."

The stern bearing puller glanced over at me, the manager looked around
his hood and recovered quickly, continuing like nothing had happened.

Well, she is an ugly boat. The sheer stripe is worn and shows white
underneath the paint, the gold tape put on years ago in Florida is
chipped. The superstructure gel coat is chalky and all the varnished
teak is peeling and mottled with gray. There is also a little glitch
in the sheer line which usually isn't very noticeable but her position
in the yard is exactly right to make it jump right out at you.

I’ve spent most of my career around hard working boats so yachting
spit and polish doesn’t do much for me. I expect the outside of a boat
to be pretty beat up. I hardly even looked at the outside when I
bought this boat except for the equipment and the layout. I bought her
because it was the hull shape I wanted, a heavily built boat with
slippery shape, and the nicest interior I’ve seen on any glass boat
under twice the price we paid. Still, I find myself looking at her a
little differently every time I walk up to her now. I guess it’s like
when a parent overhears someone say for the first time, "Oh, what an
ugly baby."

Those of you who have seen the yacht designs on my web site

http://home.maine.rr.com/rlma/Boats.htm

know that I have some basis for claiming to know what makes a boat
look good. The tall ships were even designed after researching the
classic mathematical ratios used by designers of the period to make
every aspect of the rig and hull proportions harmonize around
proportions the eye expected to see. It’s a little odd to be in love
with this boat, sort of like those few movie stars that are married to
rather plain looking women.

One thing I learned early in my brief yacht design career was that, if
you put a clipper bow on a boat, everyone would say, "Oh, how
beautiful!", even if it wasn’t. A boat of rather plain configuration
can be proportioned properly and the lines of cabin and sheer blended
and harmonized. Something with all the attributes that say, "Elegance"
can be completely screwed up and few will notice.

The E32 was drawn to be a rather plain and straightforward boat. Ted
Irwin knew what he was doing, however. He wasn’t trying to make an
aesthetic statement but there is a straightforward integrity and
competence about her lines that I find very easy to nice at.

Still, I really didn’t like hearing that.

My buddy has his E32 moored 75yds from my Hunter33. It's kind of a funny
situation as I see it because our boats seem like mirror images with the
mirror having a slightly cheesy factor to it. His is white with dark
brown trim, mine white with navy. His is shoal draft, mine is slightly
cheesier, "machoer," less practical fin keel; his is named "Mariah" mine
is named "Moonraker," The E32 has an adult-like utilitarian hull shape,
the H33 has more of a teardrop, "prettier" profile. His glass hull is
thick enough to hold out light, mine easily lets light through. His has
the 2QM20, mine the 2QM15, and so on.

I love my boat, but you've got plenty of reason to love yours.


--
Stephen

-------

For any proposition there is always some sufficiently narrow
interpretation of its terms, such that it turns out true, and
some sufficiently wide interpretation such that it turns out
false...concept stretching will refute *any* statement, and will
leave no true statement whatsoever.
-- Imre Lakatos

Oh, that hurt!
 

On Sat, 20 May 2006 23:19:33 GMT, "Roger Long"
wrote:

The E32 was drawn to be a rather plain and straightforward boat. Ted
Irwin knew what he was doing, however. He wasn’t trying to make an
aesthetic statement but there is a straightforward integrity and
competence about her lines that I find very easy to nice at.

Still, I really didn’t like hearing that.

Beauty is all in the eye of the beholder. And if that doesn't work
out there's always the clipper bow retrofit project to save the day.
:-)

Oh, that hurt!
 

On Sun, 21 May 2006 00:39:34 GMT, "Thomas Wentworth"
wrote:

As you can see, I hate boatyards, marinas and the people who work there.

There's a good chance the feeling will be mutual unless you loosen up
that checkbook a little. :-)

Oh, that hurt!
 

Life is too short to own a pretty boat...


The E32 was drawn to be a rather plain and straightforward boat. Ted
Irwin knew what he was doing, however. He wasn't trying to make an
aesthetic statement but there is a straightforward integrity and
competence about her lines that I find very easy to nice at.

Still, I really didn't like hearing that.

Beauty is all in the eye of the beholder. And if that doesn't work
out there's always the clipper bow retrofit project to save the day.
:-)

Oh, that hurt!
 

Sal's Dad wrote:
Life is too short to own a pretty boat...

yeah ... "if you want to be happy for the rest of your life ...
never make a pretty woman your wife ..."

Oh, that hurt!
 

On Sat, 20 May 2006 23:19:33 GMT, "Roger Long"
wrote:


Still, I really didn’t like hearing that.

Next time someone in the yard asks you where something is, point and
say: "Over there, by that nasty looking manager."

R.

Oh, that hurt!
 

On Sun, 21 May 2006 19:57:40 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sat, 20 May 2006 23:19:33 GMT, "Roger Long"
wrote:

The E32 was drawn to be a rather plain and straightforward boat. Ted
Irwin knew what he was doing, however. He wasn’t trying to make an
aesthetic statement but there is a straightforward integrity and
competence about her lines that I find very easy to nice at.

Still, I really didn’t like hearing that.

Beauty is all in the eye of the beholder. And if that doesn't work
out there's always the clipper bow retrofit project to save the day.
:-)

Don't mast steps and baggywrinkle, which every proper cruising yacht
must have.

;-)

Matt O.

Oh, that hurt!
 

Yeah ... my wife was in the shop where we occasionally launch our old
beater of a runabout which I bought there by the way... I was outside
.... when the owner's daughter behind the counter announced that the
"ugly (delete real name) boat" was here. Sure, it's an older ... well
ok ... old boat ... a work in progress ... well ok, progress had slowed
.... but the point that came home to me was ... my wife doesn't care :-)
http://thebayguide.com/rec.boats/

Oh, that hurt!
 

In article ,
"Roger Long" wrote:

The E32 was drawn to be a rather plain and straightforward boat. Ted
Irwin knew what he was doing, however. He wasn’t trying to make an
aesthetic statement but there is a straightforward integrity and
competence about her lines that I find very easy to nice at.

Still, I really didn’t like hearing that.

Pat and I knew we had an ugly boat in the beginning, but she grew on us
very early on. Fellow Tanzer owners described the 28 as a "school bus
with sails". We describe her as an ugly duckling, pregnant guppy, or our
"freighter with legs".

As we start our 14th season as Xan's caretakers, similar comments now
only garner snickers. She gives us just about everything we need,
outruns boats nearly twice her length, and we expect she'll outlast us
if we continue to be good caretakers.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD)
Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html
Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

Oh, that hurt!
 

On Tue, 23 May 2006 05:54:56 GMT, in message

Jere Lull wrote:

Pat and I knew we had an ugly boat in the beginning, but she grew on us
very early on. Fellow Tanzer owners described the 28 as a "school bus
with sails". We describe her as an ugly duckling, pregnant guppy, or our
"freighter with legs".

When I owned a Tanzer 26 I consoled myself with the thoughts that a
Grampian 26 looks a lot more like a school bus, and that I was getting
the best view in the harbour ;-)

My current boat has lovely lines and looks elegant from a distance,
which is a step up, but she's still over 25.... Functional issues come
first, then surface beauty.

As we start our 14th season as Xan's caretakers, similar comments now
only garner snickers. She gives us just about everything we need,
outruns boats nearly twice her length, and we expect she'll outlast us
if we continue to be good caretakers.

They made those hulls very strong. I'm betting I can keep Dragon III
going for at least another 25 years unless I get seduced by something
sleeker and faster.

Ryk

Oh, that hurt!
 

Roger,
I've seen pics of your boat on your site and she fits my taste! My approach
is the same as yours, make it right first, then worry about pretty.
I had my boat in the yard next to our little blue collar yachtclub and had
many visitors, friends mostly, from the club and got lots of advice, little
of any worth when I remembered how much work the advisors put into thier own
boats.
IMHO, there is a world of difference between buying a bristol condition
yacht and waxing it once a year and getting hold of a well used boat and
turning it into a yacht!
I'd ignore the yardbirds opinions, unless it's about an issue they would be
well versed in like which store sells beer cheaper than the others. Around
here the yards generally have a big turnover (of people who just don't have
a clue of what they are doing) and the managers? Whew!
MMC

"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
I stopped in to ask the yard manager when they would get to replacing
my stern bearing because I don't want to find out a couple days before
launch that the shaft has to come out. The rudder modification on my
boat requires that the rudder come off first. He said he would check
with so and so and we each headed our respective ways.

I looked over a few steps into my walk to the boat and saw the stern
bearing puller so I tacked and decided I might as well hear what he
had to say. It was raining hard so we both under our parka hoods. I
heard the manager say from under his hood, "Say (stern bearing
puller), you know that job I spoke to you about, the stern bearing on
the ugly Endeavour.."

The stern bearing puller glanced over at me, the manager looked around
his hood and recovered quickly, continuing like nothing had happened.

Well, she is an ugly boat. The sheer stripe is worn and shows white
underneath the paint, the gold tape put on years ago in Florida is
chipped. The superstructure gel coat is chalky and all the varnished
teak is peeling and mottled with gray. There is also a little glitch
in the sheer line which usually isn't very noticeable but her position
in the yard is exactly right to make it jump right out at you.

I've spent most of my career around hard working boats so yachting
spit and polish doesn't do much for me. I expect the outside of a boat
to be pretty beat up. I hardly even looked at the outside when I
bought this boat except for the equipment and the layout. I bought her
because it was the hull shape I wanted, a heavily built boat with
slippery shape, and the nicest interior I've seen on any glass boat
under twice the price we paid. Still, I find myself looking at her a
little differently every time I walk up to her now. I guess it's like
when a parent overhears someone say for the first time, "Oh, what an
ugly baby."

Those of you who have seen the yacht designs on my web site

http://home.maine.rr.com/rlma/Boats.htm

know that I have some basis for claiming to know what makes a boat
look good. The tall ships were even designed after researching the
classic mathematical ratios used by designers of the period to make
every aspect of the rig and hull proportions harmonize around
proportions the eye expected to see. It's a little odd to be in love
with this boat, sort of like those few movie stars that are married to
rather plain looking women.

One thing I learned early in my brief yacht design career was that, if
you put a clipper bow on a boat, everyone would say, "Oh, how
beautiful!", even if it wasn't. A boat of rather plain configuration
can be proportioned properly and the lines of cabin and sheer blended
and harmonized. Something with all the attributes that say, "Elegance"
can be completely screwed up and few will notice.

The E32 was drawn to be a rather plain and straightforward boat. Ted
Irwin knew what he was doing, however. He wasn't trying to make an
aesthetic statement but there is a straightforward integrity and
competence about her lines that I find very easy to nice at.

Still, I really didn't like hearing that.

--
Roger Long

Oh, that hurt!
 

Thanks.

Read about my latest adventure with the manager he

Http://home.maine.rr.com/rlma/Strider0605.htm#Bearing

--

Roger Long



"MMC" wrote in message
.. .
Roger,
I've seen pics of your boat on your site and she fits my taste! My
approach
is the same as yours, make it right first, then worry about pretty.
I had my boat in the yard next to our little blue collar yachtclub
and had
many visitors, friends mostly, from the club and got lots of advice,
little
of any worth when I remembered how much work the advisors put into
thier own
boats.
IMHO, there is a world of difference between buying a bristol
condition
yacht and waxing it once a year and getting hold of a well used boat
and
turning it into a yacht!
I'd ignore the yardbirds opinions, unless it's about an issue they
would be
well versed in like which store sells beer cheaper than the others.
Around
here the yards generally have a big turnover (of people who just
don't have
a clue of what they are doing) and the managers? Whew!
MMC

Oh, that hurt!
 

Maybe the manager for our local yard has a brother? This guy is sharp as a
brick also.

"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
Thanks.

Read about my latest adventure with the manager he

Http://home.maine.rr.com/rlma/Strider0605.htm#Bearing

--

Roger Long



"MMC" wrote in message
.. .
Roger,
I've seen pics of your boat on your site and she fits my taste! My
approach
is the same as yours, make it right first, then worry about pretty.
I had my boat in the yard next to our little blue collar yachtclub
and had
many visitors, friends mostly, from the club and got lots of advice,
little
of any worth when I remembered how much work the advisors put into
thier own
boats.
IMHO, there is a world of difference between buying a bristol
condition
yacht and waxing it once a year and getting hold of a well used boat
and
turning it into a yacht!
I'd ignore the yardbirds opinions, unless it's about an issue they
would be
well versed in like which store sells beer cheaper than the others.
Around
here the yards generally have a big turnover (of people who just
don't have
a clue of what they are doing) and the managers? Whew!
MMC

Oh, that hurt!
 

Maybe the manager for our local yard has a brother? This guy is sharp as a
brick also.

Or as Foghorn Leghorn would say:
http://www.wiseacre-gardens.com/butt.../foghorn04.wav

Oh, that hurt!
 

On Thu, 25 May 2006 21:54:35 GMT, "Roger Long"
wrote:

Read about my latest adventure with the manager he

Http://home.maine.rr.com/rlma/Strider0605.htm#Bearing

Roger, as an FYI, PB Blaster and Kroil are both significantly better
than Liquid Wrench for freeing frozen parts. PB Blaster is readily
available at most auto parts places. Kroil has to be ordered on the
web or scrounged from mechanic friends.

http://www.kanolabs.com/

I have met professional marine mechanics that swear by Kroil, and it
is very good in my experience. PB Blaster is easier to buy and seems
to be almost as good.