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Jeff said:
Sorry, I don'[t think you have it quite right. "Current" is an instantaneous rate of charge flow. Although formally defined in terms of forces in wires, it is better understood as a change in charge, as in coulombs/second. Since Coulombs can be thought of as a number of electrons (6.24E+18), Amps are "electrons per second" ignoring the constant factor. Amps-hours thus represent a number of electrons. However, the spec sheet said "Average current consumption for 12 VDC systems over 24-hour period" which is "Amp-hours/day" - for some reason Kinch keeps ignoring this even though is is clearly stated. This is measure of charge flow, simply scaled up by 24 from amperes. snip Measuring something is different from stating its instantaneous property. Velocity is stated for a moment in time, but is real hard to measure without considering a change in position over time, or by using some other technique that considers time. You've said (pretty obliquely) some of the same thing ("electrons per second"), and I agree with your statement about measurement being different than describing an instantaneous property. Current is flow. Flow is not stagnant. Flow cannot be anything else but flow. For flow to happen in this case, electrons have to move. When they move, it is called "current". Think of a river - can "current" flow without movement? You can describe the amount of electrons existing in a conductor at any one instant in time as a snapshot of an amount of electrons existing in a conductor, but that amount is the result of the electrons having flowed through that part of the conductor during some amount of time however small or large. Just measuring or calculating the number of electrons present in a conductor is not a measure of current in and of itself, because current is a measure or calculation of the number of electrons having flowed through a conductor during a given specific amount of time. What you are describing is the *rate* of flow as a snapshot of some instant in time. But to get that snapshot of the rate of flow, you must first have current, measured in amp-hours. What you alluding to is not a measurement, it is a description of a rate of measurement at one instant. Mr. Kinch talked about a piece of equipment should be rated at (x) amps, but the term *amps* is in this case a *new terminology* contraction for amp-hours, or it wouldn't make any sense. We all assume, consciously or unconsciously, when reading a current rating listed on any equipment when listed as *amps* to actually be amps-per-hour (the *rate*) which is the current standard convention. The time used for your measurement, however, is irrelevant, it is just a way to determine how many electrons have flowed through the conductor during that time. So if you used average current over one hour, or one day, or one year, etc., you still have the same exact same type of measurement; amps-per-whatever. But average measurement does not describe what the flow is at any one instant in time, which is what you were alluding to. Electrical "pressure" is the old terminology for voltage, described as "potential". This is not current, but influences current as described by ohm's law. Charge is a different entity entirely and is not current. Velocity is not current, but can influence current. The term can also seem confusing. If you have a large diameter pipe and have 1 gallon per hour of water flowing through it, and you have a very small diameter pipe and have 1 gallon per hour flowing through it you will have two very different velocities. But if current is the measurement of units-of-something-per-time, then the *current* is the same in both pipes, although the *pressure* will necessarily be different (just like ohm's law). But if the velocity of current, that is, if electrons are limited in the actual speed each can flow through a given conductor regardless of pressure (IE: speed of light in a perfect conductor), then the number of electrons that can flow through a conductor in a given time is limited at least by the size of the conductor, regardless of the pressure (voltage). So *velocity* can be an imprecise term to describe current if you label the amount of current flow as speed of flow (speed of each electron moving), rather than the total number of electrons-per-unit-of-time. Of course, exceeding a conductor's ability to pass a certain number of electrons in a given amount of time will result in excessive heat which may result in damage, hence the need to describe a conductor's ability to handle a specific *rate* of current flow. Most conductors will destruct due to heat before actually exceeding its max rate of flow of electrons. That is why cooling a conductor allows more current to be applied through it before self destructing. When measuring current with a meter, all U.S. meters that I have seen and used measure in amps per hour averaged. Meters cannot take a snapshot in time, because no matter how short the cutoff, it is still time. If you'd like, you are invited over to look at any number of textbooks I have (several lockers full) that will describe it for you more eloquently and completely than I will here. Although my textbooks are written in the "old" language of electronics - you know; amp-hours, cycles per second, etc. |