|
PoliGlow on AwlGrip - or, what??
Answering my own question, and changing the topic, as there's more heat
than light now, in the original: SKIP, POLI GLOW WOULD REALLY BE IDEAL FOR AWLGRIP THAT IS OLDER THAN YOURS. SAY MAYBE IN THE 7-10 YEAR RANGE. THANK YOU. TODD BRYANT POLI GLOW PRODUCTS, INC. www.poliglowproducts.com So, I'm stuck. I'm waiting for a response from them as to what else might be appropriate - but solicit opinion from experienced glass-look-achievers WRT Awl-Gripped surfaces' treatment. Thanks, as always... L8R Skip Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC http://tinyurl.com/384p2 The vessel as Tehamana, as we bought her "Believe me, my young friend, there is *nothing*-absolutely nothing-half so much worth doing as simply messing, messing-about-in-boats; messing about in boats-or *with* boats. In or out of 'em, it doesn't matter. Nothing seems really to matter, that's the charm of it. Whether you get away, or whether you don't; whether you arrive at your destination or whether you reach somewhere else, or whether you never get anywhere at all, you're always busy, and you never do anything in particular; and when you've done it there's always something else to do, and you can do it if you like, but you'd much better not." |
PoliGlow on AwlGrip - or, what??
Evidently, the prior thread with a reply from poliglow was between a
poster and a retailer, not the company. This is what I got from the company: From: To: Subject: use over awl-grip Date: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 11:03 AM CHECK WITH AWLGRIP ITSELF TO SEE WHAT THEY APPLY TO THEIR PAINTS, OR WEST MARINE, BOAT US MAY HAVE SOMETHING TOO. REGARDS, TODD POLI GLOW PRODUCTS, INC. www.poliglowproducts.com -----Original Message----- From: Skip - Back on the boat, online over wifi To: Sent: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:58:00 -0400 Subject: use over awl-grip Hi, Todd, and thanks for the bounceback. Given that only the cabintop not-nonskid areas are that way, now, what would you suggest for all the awlgrip currently present? As many as have raved over the perfect gloss results of properly applied PoliGlow, that's very disappointing news, but I'd like to get a better look than I have now... Thanks again for the info. L8R Skip Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC http://tinyurl.com/384p2 The vessel as Tehamana, as we bought her "Believe me, my young friend, there is *nothing*-absolutely nothing-half so much worth doing as simply messing, messing-about-in-boats; messing about in boats-or *with* boats. In or out of 'em, it doesn't matter. Nothing seems really to matter, that's the charm of it. Whether you get away, or whether you don't; whether you arrive at your destination or whether you reach somewhere else, or whether you never get anywhere at all, you're always busy, and you never do anything in particular; and when you've done it there's always something else to do, and you can do it if you like, but you'd much better not." ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 8:50 AM Subject: use over awl-grip SKIP, POLI GLOW WOULD REALLY BE IDEAL FOR AWLGRIP THAT IS OLDER THAN YOURS. SAY MAYBE IN THE 7-10 YEAR RANGE. THANK YOU. TODD BRYANT POLI GLOW PRODUCTS, INC. www.poliglowproducts.com -----Original Message----- From: Skip - Back on the boat, online over wifi To: Sent: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 01:13:07 -0400 Subject: use over awl-grip Hi... There's an extensive thread in rec.boats.cruising, and one developing in the morgan mailing lists, about Poliglow. I understand from reading a reply from your tech support to another sailor that older gelcoat is ideal for this product. What would you recommend for relatively (2-5 years) recent, and a section of new (1 year) properly applied awl-grip? We've got probably 400SF or slightly more, certainly more if we include the topsides slick areas (not nonskid), to cover, and the boat's just finishing an extensive refit. We'd like to use this product if it's appropriate, as all reviews suggest that it's easy to maintain and gives a stunning appearance to gelcoat... Thanks. L8R Skip Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC http://tinyurl.com/384p2 The vessel as Tehamana, as we bought her "Believe me, my young friend, there is *nothing*-absolutely nothing-half so much worth doing as simply messing, messing-about-in-boats; messing about in boats-or *with* boats. In or out of 'em, it doesn't matter. Nothing seems really to matter, that's the charm of it. Whether you get away, or whether you don't; whether you arrive at your destination or whether you reach somewhere else, or whether you never get anywhere at all, you're always busy, and you never do anything in particular; and when you've done it there's always something else to do, and you can do it if you like, but you'd much better not." |
PoliGlow on AwlGrip - or, what??
From: Don W
Skip, How is the older Awlgrip looking at this point? The paint on the sides of the boat is presumed to be Awl-Grip, but it's like the rest of this boat's representations before we bought it: "New" means since they bought it, not necessarily any time recent to the sale. So, what I thought was new Awl-Grip is more likely 10-15 minimum years old, particularly since it's been on the hard for just over 2 years. As such, the topsides, which I presume to have had only the non-skid areas badly redone in gray (redone by my contractor in white, with actual nonskid, rather than just a paint-over of the original, perhaps also repainted, tread areas), and the sides of the cabin house badly weathered, along with most of the striping/non-nonskid areas, so that will be a great candidate for PoliGlow. However, the sides are also chalking, and my contractor is certain it's paint and not gelcoat. He's got a test he'll do to determine whether it's AG or something else, and then we'll make up our minds about whether we want to do something with PG or more conventional muscle and buffer. Either way, I'd like to make it look at least as good as it did when we bought it. The PO and his daughter's boyfriend and the tech/mech who'd been looking after the boat in the 15 years he owned it spent three weeks in a yard working on it prior to our purchase. That was represented as a "addressing all the things which might turn up on a surveyor's punch list" - but my experience has convinced me that it was, instead, strictly cosmetic, without any of what the surveyor would otherwise call out even glanced at. OTOH, if you click the URL in my sig, you'll see that the exterior looked very good when we surveyed her - I'd like to achieve that or better, this time around. Current state is pretty easy to see in the various pix in the M46Projects gallery of recent vintage. Not bad, but not glowing, either... Thanks for asking. L8R Skip Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC http://tinyurl.com/384p2 The vessel as Tehamana, as we bought her "Believe me, my young friend, there is *nothing*-absolutely nothing-half so much worth doing as simply messing, messing-about-in-boats; messing about in boats-or *with* boats. In or out of 'em, it doesn't matter. Nothing seems really to matter, that's the charm of it. Whether you get away, or whether you don't; whether you arrive at your destination or whether you reach somewhere else, or whether you never get anywhere at all, you're always busy, and you never do anything in particular; and when you've done it there's always something else to do, and you can do it if you like, but you'd much better not." |
PoliGlow on AwlGrip - or, what??
I just asked the wax guy at my yard about stripping the wax before
launch so I could put on Poli Glo in the water. He didn't want to do it. A pretty clear picture is emerging, 100% of people who make there living waxing boats say the Poli Glo and similar products will turn into an alligator mess in a few years that will cost a fortune to remove. So far, 100% of users reporting say it's great. Do I smell a conspiracy? Once assured that I just want a holding action to slow or halt further deterioration of my topside and am not trying to have the finish restored, he agreed to throw on a coat of wax. I'll probably go that route this year just because of the time and hassle factor. -- Roger Long "Skip Gundlach" wrote in message oups.com... Answering my own question, and changing the topic, as there's more heat than light now, in the original: SKIP, POLI GLOW WOULD REALLY BE IDEAL FOR AWLGRIP THAT IS OLDER THAN YOURS. SAY MAYBE IN THE 7-10 YEAR RANGE. THANK YOU. TODD BRYANT POLI GLOW PRODUCTS, INC. www.poliglowproducts.com So, I'm stuck. I'm waiting for a response from them as to what else might be appropriate - but solicit opinion from experienced glass-look-achievers WRT Awl-Gripped surfaces' treatment. Thanks, as always... L8R Skip Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC http://tinyurl.com/384p2 The vessel as Tehamana, as we bought her "Believe me, my young friend, there is *nothing*-absolutely nothing-half so much worth doing as simply messing, messing-about-in-boats; messing about in boats-or *with* boats. In or out of 'em, it doesn't matter. Nothing seems really to matter, that's the charm of it. Whether you get away, or whether you don't; whether you arrive at your destination or whether you reach somewhere else, or whether you never get anywhere at all, you're always busy, and you never do anything in particular; and when you've done it there's always something else to do, and you can do it if you like, but you'd much better not." |
PoliGlow on AwlGrip - or, what??
Roger Long writes:
Do I smell a conspiracy? At $40/quart for a dilute acrylic emulsion, the conspiracy may be on both sides. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.b...34636863f7021/ |
PoliGlow on AwlGrip - or, what??
OTOH it would not surprise me one tiny bit to learn that Poli Glo is
just floor finish with a new lable. Without a gas chromograph to find out though, who's going to risk putting floor finish on their boat? Actually, this would be a great use for an old dinghy. Poli Glo on one side, floor finish on the other. In 5 - 6 years, someone would have a great and useful post for this group. Someone send me a dinghy and I'll do it:) -- Roger Long "Mys Terry" wrote in message ... On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:57:06 -0500, Richard J Kinch wrote: Roger Long writes: Do I smell a conspiracy? At $40/quart for a dilute acrylic emulsion, the conspiracy may be on both sides. Richard Kinch has previously demonstrated his great knowlege and intelligence by suggesting that drinking gasoline is perfectly harmless. When questioned, he supported that position in stronger and stronger terms, and ferociously attacked all who questioned him, rather than simply admit it was a stupid thing to say. |
PoliGlow on AwlGrip - or, what??
So what is the prep/remover for floor polish? |
PoliGlow on AwlGrip - or, what??
Dave writes:
Here's a simpler test to give at least a partial answer. It would be a lot simpler if the manufacturer simply stated in plain terms what the product contains and what is of such unique value to earn multiples of what the rest of the US coatings industry earns per unit volume. The lack of such disclosure suggests that the fact is, not much. |
PoliGlow on AwlGrip - or, what??
Chris writes:
So what is the prep/remover for floor polish? Typical ingredients for an acrylic polish stripper are butyl cleaner, ethanolamine, benzyl alcohol, coupler/hydrotrope(s). Sometimes an alkali like NaOH or KOH or ammonia. Think of it as a harsh but water-based paint stripper (think of the acrylic polish as acrylic paint without pigment), or oven cleaner. Related to 409 or Fantastik type household cleaners Here's an example: http://www.betco.com/MSDS/184.pdf PoliPrep is more or less a dilute subset of that. Plus a pretty blue dye. |
PoliGlow on AwlGrip - or, what??
WRONG..... I do NOT wax boats for a living.. .I just use them...
Poliglow looks great for a year or two (Average ownership interval for most boat owners) but after a year or so it starts building up, turning yellow and then if you left it on long enough... yes aligator crazing. It took my longer to remove it that it did to have waxed my boat for those 2 years. ALSO... the diesel grunge somehow blended with it because I could not remove the diesel grunge on the transom without removing the poli-crap. There is no free lunch... wax your boat Roger Long wrote: I just asked the wax guy at my yard about stripping the wax before launch so I could put on Poli Glo in the water. He didn't want to do it. A pretty clear picture is emerging, 100% of people who make there living waxing boats say the Poli Glo and similar products will turn into an alligator mess in a few years that will cost a fortune to remove. So far, 100% of users reporting say it's great. Do I smell a conspiracy? Once assured that I just want a holding action to slow or halt further deterioration of my topside and am not trying to have the finish restored, he agreed to throw on a coat of wax. I'll probably go that route this year just because of the time and hassle factor. |
PoliGlow on AwlGrip - or, what??
There was a good article in Power Cruising this month about hull
treatments. It talked about waxes, poli-glow and the like, and painting. They said that you had to both prep and remove poli-glow with the manufacturer's product, as has been said here before. What I didn't know was that it basically works like varnish. You have to put up to six coats of the stuff on, then renew it at least annually with another coat or two, just like varnish. If the coating breaks down and opens up to the fiberglass, it can be repaired, but it's visible. Best to remove the entire batch and start over if this happens. I'll still stick with wax. |
PoliGlow on AwlGrip - or, what??
I know you will deny it but I bet you either work for Poli-glow or own a
piece of it.... You are the ONLY one on these NGs supporting it.... everyone else is trashing it. Mys Terry wrote: On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 07:15:28 -0400, Ed wrote: WRONG..... I do NOT wax boats for a living.. .I just use them... Poliglow looks great for a year or two (Average ownership interval for most boat owners) but after a year or so it starts building up, turning yellow and then if you left it on long enough... yes aligator crazing. It took my longer to remove it that it did to have waxed my boat for those 2 years. ALSO... the diesel grunge somehow blended with it because I could not remove the diesel grunge on the transom without removing the poli-crap. My white hulled boat has had poliglow on it for 8 years, and there is no (NONE) yellowing. Practical Sailor has conducted long term testing of Poliglow and several competitors. They confirm that it does not yellow and they further report that they have heard the bogus claims about difficulty removing the product and found them to be, well, BOGUS. Roger Long wrote: I just asked the wax guy at my yard about stripping the wax before launch so I could put on Poli Glo in the water. He didn't want to do it. A pretty clear picture is emerging, 100% of people who make there living waxing boats say the Poli Glo and similar products will turn into an alligator mess in a few years that will cost a fortune to remove. So far, 100% of users reporting say it's great. Do I smell a conspiracy? Once assured that I just want a holding action to slow or halt further deterioration of my topside and am not trying to have the finish restored, he agreed to throw on a coat of wax. I'll probably go that route this year just because of the time and hassle factor. |
PoliGlow on AwlGrip - or, what??
|
PoliGlow on AwlGrip - or, what??
|
PoliGlow on AwlGrip - or, what??
Gogarty wrote: Launched yesterday. Scratched already. Sigh. Yep--that's boating for you ;-) Don W. |
PoliGlow on AwlGrip - or, what??
|
PoliGlow on AwlGrip - or, what??
"Skip Gundlach" wrote:
So, I'm stuck. I'm waiting for a response from them as to what else might be appropriate - but solicit opinion from experienced glass-look-achievers WRT Awl-Gripped surfaces' treatment. We used New Glass for awhile, and it was very easy to use, but it did eventually get scruffy if we didn't apply more regularly. Now Bob uses Penetrol. Similarly easy to apply (no buffing) and takes three or four coats and has to be renewed sometimes. We've never used PoliGlow. But our boat has not been painted except for the stripes (2) and trailboards. We've used Penetrol on the stripes, but that wasn't Awl-Gripped - it was just epoxy paint. It works there though. When Bob moved the waterline up onto the boot stripe, the paint didn't stick there, so I guess he had not removed everything there. We've also used it on the cabin top. Bob has applied Treadmaster to the walkways and cockpit. Bob insists that people on deck wear shoes if we are underway. He feels that bare feet are a safety hazard. My feet are tougher than his because I go barefoot a lot so I can walk barefoot on the Treadmaster and he cannot, but I have proved to myself that when barefoot, I slip more in areas where the Treadmaster has not been applied than when I have shoes on. grandma Rosalie S/V RosalieAnn, Leonardtown, MD CSY 44 WO #156 http://home.mindspring.com/~gmbeasley/id1.html |
PoliGlow on AwlGrip - or, what??
I am 4 coats in. The cleaner worked pretty well a prepping, not a a
great cleaner, but I had already cleaned with some 3M Oxider remover. The Poli prep just took off any residue and airborn dirt. Looks pretty good. I will post some more pictures here in the next day. www.l-y-n-c-h.com/akula Don W wrote: Gogarty wrote: Launched yesterday. Scratched already. Sigh. Yep--that's boating for you ;-) Don W. |
PoliGlow on AwlGrip - or, what??
|
PoliGlow on AwlGrip - or, what??
Or you could read the comparison article on PoliGlo and various other
products in Jul 1, 1998 issue of Practical Sailor. "Dave" wrote in message ... On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 00:44:20 GMT, "Roger Long" said: Actually, this would be a great use for an old dinghy. Poli Glo on one side, floor finish on the other. In 5 - 6 years, someone would have a great and useful post for this group. Here's a simpler test to give at least a partial answer. Wipe on a single coat of floor polish in one area of the dinghy. Wipe on a single coat of Poli Glo in an adjacent area. After both dry, compare the shine in the two areas. If the hypothesis that they differ in that Poli Glo fills the pores in the fiberglass before building a shine and floor polish doesn't, you should immediately be able to see that the area with the floor polish is shinier after a single application. |
| All times are GMT +1. The time now is 03:04 PM. |
Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004 - 2014 BoatBanter.com