Followup question to Marathon Wind Patterns
 

Followup question, as this group has been great in providing
alternative
ideas:

Our boat draws 6-6 in flat water, bouncy water is more, of course, and
an
air draft of 64'. So, in the inverse of the song, "so high, you can't
get
under it, so low, you can't get over it" is of great concern. Not
dealing
with innumerable crab pots if we have to motor, particularly, despite
our
newly-to-be-installed propsaver, is interesting to us, too - thus the
thought of staying outside as much as possible on the way.

Our need is to get to someplace outside FL (not to come back for 183
days
minimum) within 20 days' travel from St. Pete; we're planning on a
backup of
going into a qualified marina to stop the clock if we don't time it
right
and the wait gets nervous-making.

Various other routes have been suggested other than Marathon and
across.

With the above as parameters, and with a reiteration of the first one's

comment that we won't cross with a north wind component - anything with
an "N"
in the direction, are there better suggestions on how to get to a fuel
stop
in the Bahamas (don't care where) from St. Pete in the shortest amount
of
time?

Thanks again for all the help.

L8R

Skip

Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig KI4MPC
http://tinyurl.com/384p2 The vessel as Tehamana, as we bought her

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you
didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails.
Explore.
Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain

Followup question to Marathon Wind Patterns
 

"Skip Gundlach" wrote:

Followup question, as this group has been great in providing
alternative
ideas:

Our boat draws 6-6 in flat water, bouncy water is more, of course, and
an air draft of 64'. So, in the inverse of the song, "so high, you can't
get under it, so low, you can't get over it" is of great concern. Not
dealing with innumerable crab pots if we have to motor, particularly,
despite our newly-to-be-installed propsaver, is interesting to us, too
- thus the thought of staying outside as much as possible on the way.

Our need is to get to someplace outside FL (not to come back for 183
days minimum) within 20 days' travel from St. Pete; we're planning on a
backup of going into a qualified marina to stop the clock if we don't time it
right and the wait gets nervous-making.

Various other routes have been suggested other than Marathon and
across.

With the above as parameters, and with a reiteration of the first one's
comment that we won't cross with a north wind component - anything with
an "N" in the direction, are there better suggestions on how to get to a fuel
stop in the Bahamas (don't care where) from St. Pete in the shortest amount
of time?

http://www.bahamas-travel.info/marinas.htm

Fuel stops in the Bahamas that are close to Florida include

Bimini - you can clear in here, and they have fuel but there may be a
problem of draft for you although I understand the range has been
lighted.

West End - usually done from farther up Florida (like Ft. Pierce or
Lake Worth, but I would personally go from Ft. Lauderdale), but I
don't think there are any draft problems, and you can clear in here.

Cat Cay - this is a private island, but you can clear in here and get
fuel I think. I understand that they will charge dockage for checking
in - have not been here myself. Don't know about entrance channel
drafts. South of Bimini and probably a better place to go from
Marathon.

A little farther away are

Lucaya - perfectly good entrance channel for daylight entrance and
leading up to it is a deep water channel. They have fuel and you can
check in here. Has been cheaper than West End and closer to almost
anything. (i.e. West End is very isolated) Go to the marina on the
right of the entrance channel - the one on the left is for power boats
and is much noisier. If I were up in this area, I'd prefer to go into
Lucaya rather than West End.

Chubb Cay in the Berry Islands - you have to cross the Grand Bahama
Bank to get here, and it is also a membership island, but they do have
a non-member area, and they have fuel and you can check in here.

You can also check in on Andros, but there isn't a marina there AFAIK
and you have to anchor out. I have not done that.

Thanks again for all the help.

L8R

Skip

Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig KI4MPC
http://tinyurl.com/384p2 The vessel as Tehamana, as we bought her

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you
didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails.
Explore.
Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain

grandma Rosalie

Followup question to Marathon Wind Patterns
 

Rosalie B. wrote:

I've just read in Lat and Att's April issue that
1) Bimini harbor is quite shoaled from the hurricanes and also from
construction
2) Cat Cay has been sold and they are redoing the harbor. It was
supposed to be open this month, but don't count on it.
3) The marina at West End (Old Bahama Bay) was also pretty much done
in by Wilma.

They recommend Lucaya and so do I under the circumstances.

"Skip Gundlach" wrote:

Followup question, as this group has been great in providing
alternative
ideas:

Our boat draws 6-6 in flat water, bouncy water is more, of course, and
an air draft of 64'. So, in the inverse of the song, "so high, you can't
get under it, so low, you can't get over it" is of great concern. Not
dealing with innumerable crab pots if we have to motor, particularly,
despite our newly-to-be-installed propsaver, is interesting to us, too
- thus the thought of staying outside as much as possible on the way.

Our need is to get to someplace outside FL (not to come back for 183
days minimum) within 20 days' travel from St. Pete; we're planning on a
backup of going into a qualified marina to stop the clock if we don't time it
right and the wait gets nervous-making.

Various other routes have been suggested other than Marathon and
across.

With the above as parameters, and with a reiteration of the first one's
comment that we won't cross with a north wind component - anything with
an "N" in the direction, are there better suggestions on how to get to a fuel
stop in the Bahamas (don't care where) from St. Pete in the shortest amount
of time?

http://www.bahamas-travel.info/marinas.htm

Fuel stops in the Bahamas that are close to Florida include

Bimini - you can clear in here, and they have fuel but there may be a
problem of draft for you although I understand the range has been
lighted.

West End - usually done from farther up Florida (like Ft. Pierce or
Lake Worth, but I would personally go from Ft. Lauderdale), but I
don't think there are any draft problems, and you can clear in here.

Cat Cay - this is a private island, but you can clear in here and get
fuel I think. I understand that they will charge dockage for checking
in - have not been here myself. Don't know about entrance channel
drafts. South of Bimini and probably a better place to go from
Marathon.

A little farther away are

Lucaya - perfectly good entrance channel for daylight entrance and
leading up to it is a deep water channel. They have fuel and you can
check in here. Has been cheaper than West End and closer to almost
anything. (i.e. West End is very isolated) Go to the marina on the
right of the entrance channel - the one on the left is for power boats
and is much noisier. If I were up in this area, I'd prefer to go into
Lucaya rather than West End.

Chubb Cay in the Berry Islands - you have to cross the Grand Bahama
Bank to get here, and it is also a membership island, but they do have
a non-member area, and they have fuel and you can check in here.

You can also check in on Andros, but there isn't a marina there AFAIK
and you have to anchor out. I have not done that.

Thanks again for all the help.

L8R

Skip

Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig KI4MPC
http://tinyurl.com/384p2 The vessel as Tehamana, as we bought her

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you
didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails.
Explore.
Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain

grandma Rosalie

grandma Rosalie

Followup question to Marathon Wind Patterns
 

"Glenn A. Heslop" wrote:

Dad was just reading this week that for some reason FL doesn't accept 183
days in the Bahamas as being out of FL to avoid the tax because...something
to do with the fact that many FL boat owners keep their boats there
anyway...or something to that effect. Anyone heard of that?

There are probably two kinds of taxes here. One is the registration
fee in Florida, and according to regulations if you are in the state
more than 90 days then you have to register your boat in Florida -
whether or not it is registered or documented in another state.

This is from the FL Dept Rev site

Use tax may become due when a boat is required to be titled and/or registered in Florida. Florida titling and/or registration is required:

* Within 30 days after purchase.
* Within 90 days after the boat enters Florida, if it is currently documented, titled, and/or registered in another state.

A boat that remains in Florida for more than 90 consecutive days or more than 183 days in a one-year period is presumed taxable, unless it qualifies for another exemption.


The other regulation has to do with the tax (or whatever they call it)
that is due when you BUY a boat. (sales and use tax). This is a MUCH
LARGER amount of money. The registration is trivial compared to this.
....
Use tax is not due on boats brought to Florida if all of the following conditions are met:

* The owner has owned the boat 6 months or longer.
* The purchaser showed no intent to use the boat in Florida at or before the time of purchase.
* The boat has been used 6 months or longer within the taxing jurisdiction of another state, U.S. territory, or the District of Columbia. Time spent in foreign waters does not count as part of the 6-month period.

Specific Exemptions

Boats Sold to Nonresidents
A boat may be purchased tax-exempt if it is sold by or through a registered boat dealer or yacht broker to a nonresident who will remove the boat from the state.
The following requirements must be met:

* The purchaser must sign an affidavit stating that he or she has read the law and rules regarding the specific exemption claimed and agrees to remove the boat from Florida.
o A boat of less than 5 net tons of admeasurement must leave Florida within 10 days of purchase or immediately be placed in a repair facility for repairs, additions, or alterations. The boat must leave Florida within 20 days after completion of the repairs.
o If the boat is 5 net tons of admeasurement of more, the purchaser may obtain a set of Florida Department of Revenue boat decals, which authorize the boat to remain in Florida waters up to 90 days after purchase. The decals can be obtained from the selling dealer or broker. This 90-day period may not be extended.
* Within 5 days of the date of sale, the dealer must provide DOR with a copy of the invoice, bill of sale, and/or closing statement; and the original, signed, removal affidavit.
* Within 10 days of removal, the purchaser must furnish DOR with proof that the boat left Florida (for example: receipts for fuel, dockage, or repairs purchased outside Florida).
* Within 30 days of removal, the purchaser must provide DOR with written proof that the boat was licensed, titled, registered, or documented outside the state; or provide evidence that he or she has applied for such documentation.


Penalty and Interest
Anyone who purchases a boat and obtains a tax exemption under the nonresident removal provisions will be subject to use tax, discretionary sales surtax, interest, and penalties (including a mandatory penalty equal to the tax) if:

* The boat is not removed from this state within the specified time period.
* The boat returns within 6 months from the date of departure from the state.

A purchaser who attempts to evade tax by giving a fraudulent affidavit is subject to the tax due, interest, and a mandatory 200 percent penalty. The purchaser may also be subject to a fine of up to $5,000 and up to 5 years in prison.


"Rosalie B." wrote in message
.. .
Rosalie B. wrote:

I've just read in Lat and Att's April issue that
1) Bimini harbor is quite shoaled from the hurricanes and also from
construction
2) Cat Cay has been sold and they are redoing the harbor. It was
supposed to be open this month, but don't count on it.
3) The marina at West End (Old Bahama Bay) was also pretty much done
in by Wilma.

They recommend Lucaya and so do I under the circumstances.

"Skip Gundlach" wrote:

Followup question, as this group has been great in providing
alternative
ideas:

Our boat draws 6-6 in flat water, bouncy water is more, of course, and
an air draft of 64'. So, in the inverse of the song, "so high, you
can't
get under it, so low, you can't get over it" is of great concern. Not
dealing with innumerable crab pots if we have to motor, particularly,
despite our newly-to-be-installed propsaver, is interesting to us, too
- thus the thought of staying outside as much as possible on the way.

Our need is to get to someplace outside FL (not to come back for 183
days minimum) within 20 days' travel from St. Pete; we're planning on a
backup of going into a qualified marina to stop the clock if we don't
time it
right and the wait gets nervous-making.

Various other routes have been suggested other than Marathon and
across.

With the above as parameters, and with a reiteration of the first one's
comment that we won't cross with a north wind component - anything with
an "N" in the direction, are there better suggestions on how to get to a
fuel
stop in the Bahamas (don't care where) from St. Pete in the shortest
amount
of time?

http://www.bahamas-travel.info/marinas.htm

Fuel stops in the Bahamas that are close to Florida include

Bimini - you can clear in here, and they have fuel but there may be a
problem of draft for you although I understand the range has been
lighted.

West End - usually done from farther up Florida (like Ft. Pierce or
Lake Worth, but I would personally go from Ft. Lauderdale), but I
don't think there are any draft problems, and you can clear in here.

Cat Cay - this is a private island, but you can clear in here and get
fuel I think. I understand that they will charge dockage for checking
in - have not been here myself. Don't know about entrance channel
drafts. South of Bimini and probably a better place to go from
Marathon.

A little farther away are

Lucaya - perfectly good entrance channel for daylight entrance and
leading up to it is a deep water channel. They have fuel and you can
check in here. Has been cheaper than West End and closer to almost
anything. (i.e. West End is very isolated) Go to the marina on the
right of the entrance channel - the one on the left is for power boats
and is much noisier. If I were up in this area, I'd prefer to go into
Lucaya rather than West End.

Chubb Cay in the Berry Islands - you have to cross the Grand Bahama
Bank to get here, and it is also a membership island, but they do have
a non-member area, and they have fuel and you can check in here.

You can also check in on Andros, but there isn't a marina there AFAIK
and you have to anchor out. I have not done that.

Thanks again for all the help.

L8R

Skip

Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig KI4MPC
http://tinyurl.com/384p2 The vessel as Tehamana, as we bought her

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you
didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails.
Explore.
Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain

grandma Rosalie

grandma Rosalie


grandma Rosalie