All sailing - all the time.
 

I decided today that I can no longer continue flying in the absurd
insurance environment of today. I've resigned from my flying club and
will be turning in the keys to the plane tomorrow. I feel like
someone died but it does mean that my full energies can now go to the
boat and getting it ready for that trip to Newfoundland and Labrador
in a couple years.

Down to just one mistress.

--

Roger Long

All sailing - all the time.
 

"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
I decided today that I can no longer continue flying in the absurd
insurance environment of today. I've resigned from my flying club and
will be turning in the keys to the plane tomorrow. I feel like
someone died but it does mean that my full energies can now go to the
boat and getting it ready for that trip to Newfoundland and Labrador
in a couple years.

Welcome to the club....... I made that decision 10 years ago and I still
miss it.

Leanne

All sailing - all the time.
 

Sheesh. Don't tell me that. I was hoping this ache might fade in
three or four years.

--

Roger Long



"Leanne" wrote in message
...

Welcome to the club....... I made that decision 10 years ago and I
still
miss it.

Leanne

All sailing - all the time.
 

Roger Long wrote:
Sheesh. Don't tell me that. I was hoping this ache might fade in
three or four years.

I too got chased out of flying. I think it's well past the time we
hanged all the judges which have created this asinine tort system.

Yes, the insurance is crazy, but it's in response to these 'courts'. I
do miss it to this day also.

All sailing - all the time.
 

Paul Cassel wrote:

Roger Long wrote:

Sheesh. Don't tell me that. I was hoping this ache might fade in
three or four years.

I too got chased out of flying. I think it's well past the time we
hanged all the judges which have created this asinine tort system.

Yes, the insurance is crazy, but it's in response to these 'courts'. I
do miss it to this day also.

I hate to be a "me too", but me too...
And no, it doesn't fade away...

Richard

All sailing - all the time.
 

On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 22:45:43 GMT, "Roger Long"
wrote:

I decided today that I can no longer continue flying in the absurd
insurance environment of today.

I gather from what you are saying that the high cost of liability
insurance is driving up the cost per hour to unreasonable levels?

As a point of curiosity, approximately what does the annual insurance
on something like a Cessna 172 cost, in round numbers?

All sailing - all the time.
 

Sold my 150 years ago...funny but I don't miss it. A day sailing down wind
is much better indeed.

Glenn.


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 22:45:43 GMT, "Roger Long"
wrote:

I decided today that I can no longer continue flying in the absurd
insurance environment of today.

I gather from what you are saying that the high cost of liability
insurance is driving up the cost per hour to unreasonable levels?

As a point of curiosity, approximately what does the annual insurance
on something like a Cessna 172 cost, in round numbers?

All sailing - all the time.
 

Whew. I'm glad to hear somebody finally say that. Sailing is better
but I sure wish I could do both.

Back when I was just a pilot, I would think sometimes after a flight:

Wow, that was $100.

What would I rather have for $100 than the memory of what I just did.

Nothing.

Now that I'm a sailor and boat owner, there is list of boat stuff
about two and a half pages long.

--

Roger Long



"Glenn A. Heslop" wrote in
message news:kYvNf.83626$sa3.26689@pd7tw1no...
Sold my 150 years ago...funny but I don't miss it. A day sailing
down wind
is much better indeed.

Glenn.


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 22:45:43 GMT, "Roger Long"

wrote:

I decided today that I can no longer continue flying in the absurd
insurance environment of today.

I gather from what you are saying that the high cost of liability
insurance is driving up the cost per hour to unreasonable levels?

As a point of curiosity, approximately what does the annual
insurance
on something like a Cessna 172 cost, in round numbers?

All sailing - all the time.
 

It isn't the cost but the fact that coverage at a level most of us
would consider necessary to operate our boats responsibly simply isn't
available, at any cost. Add to that the fact that juries will hand
out judgements about ten times higher in an aviation case than they
would for the same level of negligence or honest mistake in a boat or
car. They understand boating but start out with the idea that anyone
stupid enough to go up in and airplane is guilty of something even
before there is an accident. Let's face it, flying is also more
dangerous.

The equivalent situation in boating would be if you could only get the
present typical coverage levels if you were a retired 2000 ton Master,
all Oceans, who wanted to coverage only for a 30 foot power boat in
local waters during the summer.

It used to be that you could get aviation coverage on your homeowner's
umbrella policy to cover catastrophic judgements beyond your aviation
insurance but they have eliminated that option by requiring underlying
aviation coverage that is no longer obtainable.

This situation is certainly coming to boating so get out on the water
while you can. We have a ways to go though. Here's the barometer:

Adding the boating endorsement to our catastrophic loss umbrella
policy cost $35. If I could have gotten the unobtainable aviation
coverage upgrade, we would have had to pay $650 for the umbrella
endorsement.

--

Roger Long



"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 22:45:43 GMT, "Roger Long"
wrote:

I decided today that I can no longer continue flying in the absurd
insurance environment of today.

I gather from what you are saying that the high cost of liability
insurance is driving up the cost per hour to unreasonable levels?

As a point of curiosity, approximately what does the annual
insurance
on something like a Cessna 172 cost, in round numbers?

All sailing - all the time.
 

Roger,,, what about an ultralight? I think I read that they are
unregulated. And, when you crash one you dead, so no worry.

=================
"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
I decided today that I can no longer continue flying in the absurd
insurance environment of today. I've resigned from my flying club and will
be turning in the keys to the plane tomorrow. I feel like someone died but
it does mean that my full energies can now go to the boat and getting it
ready for that trip to Newfoundland and Labrador in a couple years.

Down to just one mistress.

--

Roger Long

All sailing - all the time.
 

True, but the things that impel me to fly can largely be satisfied
with the boat. I have ambitious long range plans for it and, much as
I'll miss flying, the focus of energy and money will make it more
likely that those plans will come to fruition.

Also, the difference between an ultralight and the plane I was flying
is like the difference between a dinghy and a cruising boat. A dinghy
is fun in its own right but would never be a substitute for having to
give up taking a boat you can sleep on out beyond the edge of what you
can see from your dock.

--

Roger Long



"Thomas Wentworth" wrote in message
news:K8BNf.2718$SJ2.677@trndny01...
Roger,,, what about an ultralight? I think I read that they are
unregulated. And, when you crash one you dead, so no worry.

=================
"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
I decided today that I can no longer continue flying in the absurd
insurance environment of today. I've resigned from my flying club
and will be turning in the keys to the plane tomorrow. I feel like
someone died but it does mean that my full energies can now go to
the boat and getting it ready for that trip to Newfoundland and
Labrador in a couple years.

Down to just one mistress.

--

Roger Long

All sailing - all the time.
 

Rodger,

Don't be too sad about giving up flying....at least you still have your
boat. I soloed in 1965 but had to give up pursuit of private license
when I started college....was away from flying for 22 years but
eventually got my ticket in 1988. I was a batchelor for 49 years until
I got silly in 1996 and got married. After only a few flights with wife
aboard it was evident that she was not going to like flying and I also
began to realize that the financial realities of married life indicated
I wouldn't be able to keep two expensive hobbies so the flying stopped.
I got a boat but turns out she gets seasick so the boat went too.

Looking back, I see the increasing costs of flying would have caused me
to eventually give it up anyway. And since I now probably couldn't pass
the medical exam, and with the ever increasing regulatory restrictions
I don't miss flying so much.

Rich A.

All sailing - all the time.
 

I can imagine how you must feel. Twenty eight years ago I found that I
could not afford to fly so I took it up a vocation. Now in two years I
will be turning in my wings and going to sea. Although I look excitedly
at this new adventure I know that I will always have a place in my
heart that is still in the sky.

All sailing - all the time.
 

Roger Long wrote:
I decided today that I can no longer continue flying in the absurd
insurance environment of today. I've resigned from my flying club and
will be turning in the keys to the plane tomorrow. I feel like
someone died but it does mean that my full energies can now go to the
boat and getting it ready for that trip to Newfoundland and Labrador
in a couple years.

Down to just one mistress.


Not being at all familiar with light general aviation planes - what
insurance are you required to carry?

Evan Gatehouse

All sailing - all the time.
 

Roger Long wrote:
It isn't the cost but the fact that coverage at a level most of us
would consider necessary to operate our boats responsibly simply isn't
available, at any cost. Add to that the fact that juries will hand
out judgements about ten times higher in an aviation case than they
would for the same level of negligence or honest mistake in a boat or
car. They understand boating but start out with the idea that anyone
stupid enough to go up in and airplane is guilty of something even
before there is an accident. Let's face it, flying is also more
dangerous.

The equivalent situation in boating would be if you could only get the
present typical coverage levels if you were a retired 2000 ton Master,
all Oceans, who wanted to coverage only for a 30 foot power boat in
local waters during the summer.

It used to be that you could get aviation coverage on your homeowner's
umbrella policy to cover catastrophic judgements beyond your aviation
insurance but they have eliminated that option by requiring underlying
aviation coverage that is no longer obtainable.

This situation is certainly coming to boating so get out on the water
while you can. We have a ways to go though. Here's the barometer:

Adding the boating endorsement to our catastrophic loss umbrella
policy cost $35. If I could have gotten the unobtainable aviation
coverage upgrade, we would have had to pay $650 for the umbrella
endorsement.


Yeah, but in a light plane, I'd figure you're not very likely to walk
away from a bad accident - so not as much need to carry insurance...

Evan Gatehouse

All sailing - all the time.
 

First .. the Plane.

Second ... the Boat

AND YOU ARE STILL STUCK WITH THE WIFE!

OH MY GOD ,,, THIS IS KILLING ME ,,,, I NOW KNOW THAT THE REST OF THE DAY
WILL BE GREAT!

HEY,, TRY BOWLING .. THEN SHE WILL TELL YOU SHE ONLY LIKES THE BIG BALLS, NO
CANDLE-PIN!




"rckchp" wrote in message
ups.com...
Rodger,

Don't be too sad about giving up flying....at least you still have your
boat. I soloed in 1965 but had to give up pursuit of private license
when I started college....was away from flying for 22 years but
eventually got my ticket in 1988. I was a batchelor for 49 years until
I got silly in 1996 and got married. After only a few flights with wife
aboard it was evident that she was not going to like flying and I also
began to realize that the financial realities of married life indicated
I wouldn't be able to keep two expensive hobbies so the flying stopped.
I got a boat but turns out she gets seasick so the boat went too.

Looking back, I see the increasing costs of flying would have caused me
to eventually give it up anyway. And since I now probably couldn't pass
the medical exam, and with the ever increasing regulatory restrictions
I don't miss flying so much.

Rich A.

All sailing - all the time.
 

Jasper Windvane wrote:
First .. the Plane.

Second ... the Boat

AND YOU ARE STILL STUCK WITH THE WIFE!

OH MY GOD ,,, THIS IS KILLING ME ,,,, I NOW KNOW THAT THE REST OF THE DAY
WILL BE GREAT!

HEY,, TRY BOWLING .. THEN SHE WILL TELL YOU SHE ONLY LIKES THE BIG BALLS, NO
CANDLE-PIN!



Anyone can roll those over sized ten pin balls down and get at least a
spare.
It takes skill to be good at Candlepin bowling.

All sailing - all the time.
 

"Don White" wrote in message
...
Jasper Windvane wrote:
First .. the Plane.

Second ... the Boat

AND YOU ARE STILL STUCK WITH THE WIFE!

OH MY GOD ,,, THIS IS KILLING ME ,,,, I NOW KNOW THAT THE REST OF THE
DAY
WILL BE GREAT!

HEY,, TRY BOWLING .. THEN SHE WILL TELL YOU SHE ONLY LIKES THE BIG
BALLS, NO
CANDLE-PIN!



Anyone can roll those over sized ten pin balls down and get at least a
spare.
It takes skill to be good at Candlepin bowling.

The skill is learning how to play the dead wood instead of just blasting it.

Leanne

All sailing - all the time.
 

"Don White" wrote in message
...


Anyone can roll those over sized ten pin balls down and get at least a
spare.
It takes skill to be good at Candlepin bowling.


All these years I thought Candlepin bowling was unique to Massachusetts.
You have it up there?

I'll be dipped.

RCE

All sailing - all the time.
 

RCE wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
...

Anyone can roll those over sized ten pin balls down and get at least a
spare.
It takes skill to be good at Candlepin bowling.



All these years I thought Candlepin bowling was unique to Massachusetts.
You have it up there?

I'll be dipped.

RCE



You kidding?
Must have missed my posts last fall about the World Candlepin Bowling
championships in Halifax and how a local team has won for 3 years
straight. In fact that's the only type of bowling we have here in Nova
Scotia. (except for the lawn bowling crowd at the seniors club)
http://landofbowling.com/218_home.htm

All sailing - all the time.
 

Roger,

You are not alone. When I reached 50, my reaction time was
slower..noticeably, and flying started to be less fun and more
expensive. So I also quit the club, and continue to watch others
enjoying the air while I enjoy the water.
I miss it though. How much were you paying per hour, wet?

Larry DeMers

Roger Long wrote:

I decided today that I can no longer continue flying in the absurd
insurance environment of today. I've resigned from my flying club and
will be turning in the keys to the plane tomorrow. I feel like
someone died but it does mean that my full energies can now go to the
boat and getting it ready for that trip to Newfoundland and Labrador
in a couple years.

Down to just one mistress.

All sailing - all the time.
 

find a partnership on a c-172 or 182 and
share costs...w/10 of us, we fly at just $50
per hour....wet...

All sailing - all the time.
 

In article .com,
"~^ beancounter ~^" wrote:

find a partnership on a c-172 or 182 and share costs...w/10 of us, we
fly at just $50 per hour....wet...

Oh gosh, and 20 years ago I thought $20 was too much.... I had to stop
in about '85 when insurance went so high that about two thirds of the
small airports closed in our area (Central Jersey).

Do miss the flying, but sailing with my lady is far more satisfying.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD)
Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html
Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

All sailing - all the time.
 

yea, sailing is sweet...i liked soaring and sailing...they went well
together...lots of like kind terms and concepts...imho..