Well...it seems that just because one draws off the water/contaminates from
the bottom of the fuel filter bowl, doesn't mean that one should just let it
drain into the bilge. Draining it into a cup/bottle (i.e. that won't 'melt'
from the diesel fuel). Also, Diesel is significantly different from
Petrol/Gasoline...one can pretty much put out a cigarette in diesel while
this is not very adviseable with gasoline.

Glenn.

"Tony Brooks" wrote in message
...

"Ron White" wrote in message
. ..
The link the Chuck sent you is a good place to get a top of the line
fuel
filter/water separator set up. Since you have already thought about the
concerns of the plastic bowl set-up, no more needs to be said except
that
metal blows are available from Racor as you can see. However, there some
other alternatives. It sounds like you already have filter separators,
the
transom mounted spin-ons are usually 10 micron filters/ water separators
that function the same as the spin-on Racor replacement elements. ( am
referring to the Racor elements that will screw on to your existing
heads).
The main difference in their functionality is the Racor's ability to be
drained via a pet cock. With your existing spin-ons you can just spin
them
off and dump them in a bucket. If you do this, be sure to put the
elements
back on ASAP as the rubber gaskets starts to swell quickly once removed
making their refitting a problem.
But what I would be most concerned about is what is causing the water
problem in the first place? Maybe you have an above deck poly tank? if
so,
then pay some attention the vent. If it can be closed, then close it
while
not underway. If the tank is constantly being splashed with water then
something to deflect the splash, maybe have some vinyl tank covers made
or
maybe some simple plywood covers like an inverted box that could also be
used as a seat?. I think with some "looking into" you will find a better
solution than just being able to more conveniently drain a bowl. Anyway,
I
don't think better(more expensive) filters are necessarily the answer to
the
problem.

--
Ron White
Boat building web address is
www.concentric.net/~knotreel

And if all else fails try a "water removing" diesel additive. I am not
sure
what it will do to the carbs (if the engine is not injected), but if it
gets
water through diesel filters then I recon it will pass it straight through
a
petrol fuel system.

If your filter/water separator has a drain plug on it, it should an almost
daily routine to draw a sample to see how much water is in the bowl. The
only think is that I do not think I would like petrol fumes sloshing about
in the bottom of the boat, but I assume its open without sparks &
flames, so it is not as bad as in an enclosed boat.


--
Tony Brooks
www.TB-Training.co.uk

"Glenn A. Heslop" wrote in message
news:Vj4Jf.19995$sa3.356@pd7tw1no...
Well...it seems that just because one draws off the water/contaminates
from
the bottom of the fuel filter bowl, doesn't mean that one should just let
it
drain into the bilge. Draining it into a cup/bottle (i.e. that won't
'melt'
from the diesel fuel). Also, Diesel is significantly different from
Petrol/Gasoline...one can pretty much put out a cigarette in diesel while
this is not very adviseable with gasoline.

Glenn.

"Tony Brooks" wrote in message
...


If your filter/water separator has a drain plug on it, it should an
almost
daily routine to draw a sample to see how much water is in the bowl. The
only think is that I do not think I would like petrol fumes sloshing
about
in the bottom of the boat, but I assume its open without sparks &
flames, so it is not as bad as in an enclosed boat.


--
Tony Brooks
www.TB-Training.co.uk


It never crossed my mind that anyone would be that stupid - note I said
petrol fumes, which people often seem to forget about - still I suppose its
what you get with cross posting to several groups.


--
Tony Brooks
www.TB-Training.co.uk

I still don't understand...why should one have Petrol sloshing around the
bottom of one's boat? Do you simply drain water and impurities into your
bilge sir?

Glenn.

"Tony Brooks" wrote in message
...

"Glenn A. Heslop" wrote in message
news:Vj4Jf.19995$sa3.356@pd7tw1no...
Well...it seems that just because one draws off the water/contaminates
from
the bottom of the fuel filter bowl, doesn't mean that one should just
let
it
drain into the bilge. Draining it into a cup/bottle (i.e. that won't
'melt'
from the diesel fuel). Also, Diesel is significantly different from
Petrol/Gasoline...one can pretty much put out a cigarette in diesel
while
this is not very adviseable with gasoline.

Glenn.

"Tony Brooks" wrote in message
...


If your filter/water separator has a drain plug on it, it should an
almost
daily routine to draw a sample to see how much water is in the bowl.
The
only think is that I do not think I would like petrol fumes sloshing
about
in the bottom of the boat, but I assume its open without sparks &
flames, so it is not as bad as in an enclosed boat.


--
Tony Brooks
www.TB-Training.co.uk


It never crossed my mind that anyone would be that stupid - note I said
petrol fumes, which people often seem to forget about - still I suppose
its
what you get with cross posting to several groups.


--
Tony Brooks
www.TB-Training.co.uk

I know when sampling fuel from aircraft tanks that we just fling the sampled
fuel into the air... maybe not the best practice, I know. But in American
waters, it's not just bad practice but is illegal to put fuel or oil into
the water. A clearly labeled small gas can is the place to dump fuel
samples. Don't ask me what to do with it when the sampling gas can is full,
nobody's ever come up with a solution for disposing of bad fuel (for
consumers) that I know of. At my place, we generally dump it along a fence
line during the dry summertime when it's very unlikely that ground water
exists to carry it anywhere. I don't imagine that leaving it open to
evaporate or burning it off is any better for the environment. May as well
kill some weeds.

Brian D



"Glenn A. Heslop" wrote in message
news:byyJf.37446$B94.27170@pd7tw3no...
I still don't understand...why should one have Petrol sloshing around the
bottom of one's boat? Do you simply drain water and impurities into your
bilge sir?

Glenn.

"Tony Brooks" wrote in message
...

"Glenn A. Heslop" wrote in message
news:Vj4Jf.19995$sa3.356@pd7tw1no...
Well...it seems that just because one draws off the water/contaminates
from
the bottom of the fuel filter bowl, doesn't mean that one should just
let
it
drain into the bilge. Draining it into a cup/bottle (i.e. that won't
'melt'
from the diesel fuel). Also, Diesel is significantly different from
Petrol/Gasoline...one can pretty much put out a cigarette in diesel
while
this is not very adviseable with gasoline.

Glenn.

"Tony Brooks" wrote in message
...


If your filter/water separator has a drain plug on it, it should an
almost
daily routine to draw a sample to see how much water is in the bowl.
The
only think is that I do not think I would like petrol fumes sloshing
about
in the bottom of the boat, but I assume its open without sparks &
flames, so it is not as bad as in an enclosed boat.


--
Tony Brooks
www.TB-Training.co.uk


It never crossed my mind that anyone would be that stupid - note I said
petrol fumes, which people often seem to forget about - still I suppose
its
what you get with cross posting to several groups.


--
Tony Brooks
www.TB-Training.co.uk

Brian D wrote:
I know when sampling fuel from aircraft tanks that we just fling the sampled
fuel into the air... maybe not the best practice, I know. But in American
waters, it's not just bad practice but is illegal to put fuel or oil into
the water. A clearly labeled small gas can is the place to dump fuel
samples. Don't ask me what to do with it when the sampling gas can is full,
nobody's ever come up with a solution for disposing of bad fuel (for
consumers) that I know of. At my place, we generally dump it along a fence
line during the dry summertime when it's very unlikely that ground water
exists to carry it anywhere. I don't imagine that leaving it open to
evaporate or burning it off is any better for the environment. May as well
kill some weeds.

Brian D

Leave it in a can for a week or so to settle. Siphon as much as possible
off the top without getting any dirt or water and filter through a
genuine chamys leather. (let the chamys dry afterwards then wash
according to its care instructions) Add between 2% and 5% anhydrous
isopropanol and shake well. Use in an old tech engine e.g. a non fuel
injected, non catalyst car. Dont worry about 2 stroke oil at less than
50:1. Even 20:1 doesnt cause any trouble unless the car's tank is
totally empty.

Next line the filter funnel with a couple of sheets of kitchen roll.
Siphon any water out of the bottom of the can without getting any fuel.
Put it through the funnel into a glass jar and check its fairly clear
with no more than a slight sheen on top. If its got a slight sheen, add
one drop of detergent and shake well. If there is more than a trace of
fuel, drop a dry tissue on the surface, lift it out and bin it. Now
you've got water thats OK to dispose of except in the most ecologically
sensitive areas.

Any emulsified or rusty muck left in the can is officially hazardous
waste and should be taken to an appropriate disposal facility in a
solvent resistant sealed container. From my experience of a 25 litre
outboard fuel tank that was approx 50% contaminated with muddy river
water, you'll have less than 1/4 litre of residue. I cannot suggest
that you should let it evaporate outdoors in a shallow tray a long way
from any naked flame or ignition source or burn it off in a can half
full of dry sand at least 5 meters away from anything flammable as that
would probably count as hazardous waste treatment for which you would
require a license :-).




--
Ian Malcolm. London, ENGLAND. (NEWSGROUP REPLY PREFERRED)
ianm[at]the[dash]malcolms[dot]freeserve[dot]co[dot]uk
[at]=@, [dash]=- & [dot]=. *Warning* HTML & 32K emails -- NUL:
'Stingo' Albacore #1554 - 15' Early 60's, Uffa Fox designed,
All varnished hot moulded wooden racing dinghy.

"Brian D" wrote in message
. ..
I know when sampling fuel from aircraft tanks that we just fling the
sampled fuel into the air... maybe not the best practice, I know. But in
American waters, it's not just bad practice but is illegal to put fuel or
oil into the water. A clearly labeled small gas can is the place to dump
fuel samples. Don't ask me what to do with it when the sampling gas can is
full, nobody's ever come up with a solution for disposing of bad fuel (for
consumers) that I know of.

We sent all ours back ashore once a week. Not a problem as we also sent all
the water that was drained off the bottom of the fuel pods after they had
been allowed to stand and settle for 24 hrs. It was all put in a return used
fuel pod and sent back for reprocessing.

--
Brian Ancient Order of Sewer Ants

"Brian" wrote in message
...

"Brian D" wrote in message
. ..
I know when sampling fuel from aircraft tanks that we just fling the
sampled fuel into the air... maybe not the best practice, I know. But in
American waters, it's not just bad practice but is illegal to put fuel or
oil into the water. A clearly labeled small gas can is the place to dump
fuel samples. Don't ask me what to do with it when the sampling gas can
is
full, nobody's ever come up with a solution for disposing of bad fuel
(for
consumers) that I know of.

We sent all ours back ashore once a week. Not a problem as we also sent
all
the water that was drained off the bottom of the fuel pods after they had
been allowed to stand and settle for 24 hrs. It was all put in a return
used
fuel pod and sent back for reprocessing.

--
Brian Ancient Order of Sewer Ants



Brian said "But in American waters, it's not just bad practice but is
illegal to put fuel or oil into the water"

Where do you think all the fuel goes when military and civilian aircraft are
required to "dump fuel" in preparation for landing with weight limits???

"theMooseisLoose" wrote in message
news:4o5Mf.1064$3W5.23@trnddc02...

"Brian" wrote in message
...

"Brian D" wrote in message
. ..
I know when sampling fuel from aircraft tanks that we just fling the
sampled fuel into the air... maybe not the best practice, I know. But
in
American waters, it's not just bad practice but is illegal to put fuel
or
oil into the water. A clearly labeled small gas can is the place to
dump
fuel samples. Don't ask me what to do with it when the sampling gas can
is
full, nobody's ever come up with a solution for disposing of bad fuel
(for
consumers) that I know of.

We sent all ours back ashore once a week. Not a problem as we also sent
all
the water that was drained off the bottom of the fuel pods after they had
been allowed to stand and settle for 24 hrs. It was all put in a return
used
fuel pod and sent back for reprocessing.

--
Brian Ancient Order of Sewer Ants



Brian said "But in American waters, it's not just bad practice but is
illegal to put fuel or oil into the water"

Where do you think all the fuel goes when military and civilian aircraft
are
required to "dump fuel" in preparation for landing with weight limits???


I'm not the same Brian as "Brian D". But just because aircraft are allowed
to dump tons of fuel does not allow us to dump ounces of fuel into the North
Sea.

--
Brian Ancient Order of Sewer Ants

"Glenn A. Heslop" wrote in message
news:byyJf.37446$B94.27170@pd7tw3no...
I still don't understand...why should one have Petrol sloshing around the
bottom of one's boat? Do you simply drain water and impurities into your
bilge sir?

Glenn.

"Tony Brooks" wrote in message
...



snip


The
only think is that I do not think I would like petrol fumes sloshing
about
in the bottom of the boat, but I assume its open without sparks &
flames, so it is not as bad as in an enclosed boat.


--
Tony Brooks
www.TB-Training.co.uk


It never crossed my mind that anyone would be that stupid - note I said
petrol fumes, which people often seem to forget about - still I suppose
its
what you get with cross posting to several groups.


--
Tony Brooks
www.TB-Training.co.uk



This appeared on Uk.Rec.waterways where I would never have believed anyone
would do anything other than drain into a suitable container, but as soon as
you let petrol fall through the air you get heavy fumes - note the word
FUMES, not petrol - and many people forget about this.

Unless you have a completely enclosed draining system (as you are supposed
to in garages) you will get fumes falling into the bottom of the boat.
Unless you stick your nose into the bilge or under the floor you may well
not notice they are still hanging around until - boom

As I said, this is the sort of misunderstanding you get with cross positing.
If I had the slightest inkling that anyone who would consider draining the
said filters into the bilge would have been reading I would not have
replied.out of safety concerns.


--
Tony Brooks
www.TB-Training.co.uk