"Peggie Hall" wrote in message
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Dene wrote:
Well....my friend suggested that I price out a Jabsco rebuild kit.
He's had good luck with that procedure. I'm going to price out both
options and think about it. If a rebuild could last two to three
years, then it may be more cost effective.

It won't be...odds are about 100-1 that something that isn't in the kit
will fail or break within a year. 10-15 years ago, Jabsco build a decent
quality toilet for the money...many that age are still in service and
working ok. But those made in the last 5-7 years are so flimsy that's
rare for one to last 2 years without a failure....they've become
"disposable" toilets...so disposable that, because the rebuild kit costs
almost as much as a new pump, I know people who don't bother to rebuild,
they just replace the pump every year as "preventive maintenance." That
makes NO sense to me..'cuz in 5 years, they've spent close to $500 to
keep a $100 toilet working...when for about half that much, they could
have a trouble-free reliable toilet that'll last 20-25 years if you just
keep it well lubricated and rebuild it every 5-6 years.

If $225 is a bit more than you want to spend, go with a Groco HF. It's
not as durable as a PH II, but you should get at least 5-7 trouble-free
years from it.


Thanks Peggy. I ran your advice across my better half and she
enthusiastically concurs.....better to get a quality head. We'll have it
done by March, bundling the labor with some other stuff that needs to be
done. Until then, we'll pour water down it instead of money.

Just bought your book on Amazon. $16.50 including S&H.

One question about manuel pump toilets compared to the porta potty we had on
our prior boat. We never had an odor problem. The solution was pumped in
with the water prior to flushing and out into the holding tanks. Whereas,
manual flush toilet draws in river water and then flushes it. Isn't that a
recipe for odor? We've noticed that this head smells far worse than the
porta-potty ever did. Nothing unbearable....just noticeable.

-Greg

Dene wrote:
Just bought your book on Amazon. $16.50 including S&H.

Hope you find it useful!

One question about manuel pump toilets compared to the porta potty we had on
our prior boat. We never had an odor problem. The solution was pumped in
with the water prior to flushing and out into the holding tanks. Whereas,
manual flush toilet draws in river water and then flushes it. Isn't that a
recipe for odor? We've noticed that this head smells far worse than the
porta-potty ever did. Nothing unbearable....just noticeable.

Fresh water usually doesn't stink...but it can if the water isn't very
clean...the organic matter and bacteria in it stagnate in the head
intake line and pump. If you get into shallow water you can also pull in
weeds and bits of organic debris that get caught in the pump and channel
in the rim of bowl, die and decay...and stink. If you have odor from
your toilet even though the seacock is closed and the only water going
into it is fresh water from the sink, you prob'ly have some stagnant
river water trapped in it, or some weeds.

If the whole boat kinda smells, permeated sanitation hoses are the most
likely culprit...new hoses is the only cure for that. Or, your bilge and
sumps just may be in need of a SERIOUS cleaning instead of just dumping
in more bilge cleaner...wet dirty bilges and sumps can smell just like a
sewer.

I've forgotten (if you ever mentioned it)...what IS your new
boat...size, make, age?


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Peggie
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Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://shop.sailboatowners.com/books...ku=90&cat=1304

"Peggie Hall" wrote in message
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Dene wrote:
Just bought your book on Amazon. $16.50 including S&H.

Hope you find it useful!

One question about manuel pump toilets compared to the porta potty we
had on
our prior boat. We never had an odor problem. The solution was pumped
in
with the water prior to flushing and out into the holding tanks.
Whereas,
manual flush toilet draws in river water and then flushes it. Isn't
that a
recipe for odor? We've noticed that this head smells far worse than the
porta-potty ever did. Nothing unbearable....just noticeable.

Fresh water usually doesn't stink...but it can if the water isn't very
clean...the organic matter and bacteria in it stagnate in the head
intake line and pump. If you get into shallow water you can also pull in
weeds and bits of organic debris that get caught in the pump and channel
in the rim of bowl, die and decay...and stink. If you have odor from
your toilet even though the seacock is closed and the only water going
into it is fresh water from the sink, you prob'ly have some stagnant
river water trapped in it, or some weeds.

If the whole boat kinda smells, permeated sanitation hoses are the most
likely culprit...new hoses is the only cure for that. Or, your bilge and
sumps just may be in need of a SERIOUS cleaning instead of just dumping
in more bilge cleaner...wet dirty bilges and sumps can smell just like a
sewer.

I've never put bilge cleaner in. I'll try that.

I've forgotten (if you ever mentioned it)...what IS your new
boat...size, make, age?

It's a 2000 Maxum 2400 SE, roughly 25 feet long. It's been in the water
since 2002, stored in a boathouse.

The hoses you speak of. Are you referring to the ones in the head? If so,
then we'll replace them when the Raritan is installed.

-Greg

Dene wrote:
I've never put bilge cleaner in. I'll try that.

Unless you actually clean the bilge and flush all the dirty water out,
it won't help much

I've forgotten (if you ever mentioned it)...what IS your new
boat...size, make, age?


It's a 2000 Maxum 2400 SE, roughly 25 feet long. It's been in the water
since 2002, stored in a boathouse.

If the bilge is wet, after sitting for 3 years, it could very well be
the source of your odor.

The hoses you speak of. Are you referring to the ones in the head?

Not just the ones in the head...the hose from the head to the tank and
from the tank to the pumpout fitting, and possibly the vent line too. If
the head intake hose is clear plastic, it should be replaced with a hose
that's rated for below-waterline connection whether it stinks or not.

To find out if your hoses have permeated, wet a rag (use a clean one for
each separate section of hose) in HOT water...wring it out, wrap it
around the lowest part of the hose. When the rag is cool, remove it and
smell it. If you can't smell anything on the rag, that hose is
fine...but if it stinks at all, replace the hose.

If so,
then we'll replace them when the Raritan is installed.

That would be the time to do it. Btw...you'll find some tips in my book
that should make that job a little easier.

--
Peggie
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Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://shop.sailboatowners.com/books...ku=90&cat=1304