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Basically, the 25' sailboat was knocked down in stiff winds. Three men,
one woman aboard. Two of the men went overboard without life jackets. One of
the men was in the water about an hour before they got him out. Coastguard
helo to hospital. DOA
Boat righted itself.
Gordon
BTW, I'm guessing water was somewhat under 50 F at this time of year.

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Sheesh... bad news! Where was the boat? Wonder why it took so long to
retrieve the MOB... shouldn't take more than a few minutes unless you lose
sight of him or you have no clue.

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"Gordon" wrote in message
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Basically, the 25' sailboat was knocked down in stiff winds. Three men,
one woman aboard. Two of the men went overboard without life jackets. One
of
the men was in the water about an hour before they got him out. Coastguard
helo to hospital. DOA
Boat righted itself.
Gordon
BTW, I'm guessing water was somewhat under 50 F at this time of year.

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"Capt. JG" wrote in news:11tqb777e8mft28
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you have no clue

Try this and see how you come out.....

Take out your usual crew of people, some partially sailors, some not, don't
do anything special or try to add qualified members to your little
assemblage.

Take her out in the harbor to a big open area with few boats you might
endanger.

Jump overboard from your lofty helm perch and start frantically screaming
and waving your arms in distress. Click the stopwatch on your diver's
Rolex Oyster to time this event.

Watch the reaction from back aboard by your crack crew of wife, kids,
friends, business associates and those still drinking your beer.

How long was it before they got her turned around and came effortlessly
alongside your position to retrieve you, using the finest navigation and
methods of retrieval?

Look up and down your dock. How many wives and teenagers are qualified
sailors and helmsmen on all those other dock condos on your particular
dock. How many wives have NEVER handled the boat by themselves?

See why it took so long?

Man dies in capsizing
 

Larry wrote in news:Xns975AEE52D24E4noonehomecom@
208.49.80.253:

See why it took so long?



Ok, now let's assume you've survived that first test. Tell them your arms
are broken and they'll have to dock the boat back at your slip without you.
Go below and lay in your AFT berth until you can be hauled to the hospital
ashore.....

Under no circumstances get out of that berth until they get AC power hooked
back up to your boat and you can hear the battery charger humming. That's
fair, right?

Is your liability policy paid up-to-date?...(c:)

Man dies in capsizing
 

"Larry" wrote in message
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Try this and see how you come out.....

Take out your usual crew of people, some partially sailors, some not,

Take her out in the harbor to a big open area with few boats you might
endanger.

Jump overboard from your lofty helm perch and start frantically screaming
and waving your arms in distress. Click the stopwatch on your diver's
Rolex Oyster to time this event.

Watch the reaction from back aboard by your crack crew of wife, kids,
friends, business associates and those still drinking your beer.

How long was it before they got her turned around and came effortlessly
alongside your position to retrieve you, using the finest navigation and
methods of retrieval?


I've actually experienced this scenario almost exactly, though it was my
crazy brother- not me- who dived off the boat unexpectedly, and it was not
in a "big open area with few boats"

We were heading out for a race, had just hoisted the mainsail when the winch
barrel on an old Barlow 16 winch popped of and rolled over the side (they
had a spring loaded retaining mechanism which was hopeless). The crew
consisted of my brother and myself (both with many years of racing and
cruising experience) and a friend who had been out sailing a couple of
times.

As the winch barrel rolled over, out of the corner of my eye, I saw my
brother dive in after it! We were in the middle of the channel leading out
of the boat harbour with maybe 10-12 other boats heading out to the start- a
few had to dodge him. He had actually grabbed it and was holding the winch
barrel aloft like a prize.

After the first few seconds of stunned disbelief, I explained to Graeme, my
inexperienced crewman, how to drop the mainsail, we dropped it, started the
diesel (there was no manoeuvring room in the channel to sail) and motored
back to get my idiot brother. Total time about 3 minutes.

I had been planning to replace that crappy old winch for some time, but,
because it was there, hadn't bothered. It would have been an ideal
opportunity- but it was still there when I sold the boat a couple of years
later.

Surprisingly, I still go sailing with my brother.

Peter HK

Man dies in capsizing
 

Yes, it's another one of those monohulls going down to the bottom with their
heavy keels.

Sherwin D.

Gordon wrote:

Basically, the 25' sailboat was knocked down in stiff winds. Three men,
one woman aboard. Two of the men went overboard without life jackets. One of
the men was in the water about an hour before they got him out. Coastguard
helo to hospital. DOA
Boat righted itself.
Gordon
BTW, I'm guessing water was somewhat under 50 F at this time of year.

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"sherwindu" wrote in message
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Yes, it's another one of those monohulls going down to the bottom with
their
heavy keels.

Sherwin D.

Gordon wrote:

Basically, the 25' sailboat was knocked down in stiff winds. Three men,
one woman aboard. Two of the men went overboard without life jackets. One
of
the men was in the water about an hour before they got him out.
Coastguard
helo to hospital. DOA
Boat righted itself.
Gordon
BTW, I'm guessing water was somewhat under 50 F at this time of year.

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and
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This was a knockdown not a capsize or a sinking. Or, were you trying to make
some other point?

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"sherwindu" wrote in message
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Yes, it's another one of those monohulls going down to the bottom with
their
heavy keels.

Sherwin D.

Gordon wrote:

Basically, the 25' sailboat was knocked down in stiff winds.


This was a knockdown not a capsize or a sinking. Or, were you trying to
make some other point?

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I, also, am at a loss as to the point. Irony aside- sadly, a man dies out
sailing on a mono, and this somehow shows how monos are inherently safe.

Pretty disturbed thought processes- I believe the term is "knight's move
thinking".

Peter HK

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"Larry" wrote in message
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pruned

Jump overboard from your lofty helm perch and start frantically
screaming
and waving your arms in distress. Click the stopwatch on your
diver's
Rolex Oyster to time this event.

How long was it before they got her turned around and came
effortlessly
alongside your position to retrieve you, using the finest
navigation and
methods of retrieval?

As a matter of interest, do all US boats have boarding/bathing
ladders?

In the nice warm Mediterranean, most boats do. Easily the best and
quickest aid to getting someone aboard in most circumstances.

In the cold waters of UK, they're rare. Perverse? 'Blow up that
dinghy - Fast!'

JimB

Man dies in capsizing
 

"Peter HK" wrote in news:r2iDf.230844$V7.46418
@news-server.bigpond.net.au:

Surprisingly, I still go sailing with my brother.



This newsgroup could sure use a lot more stories like this than it gets....

Thanks, Peter!

Man dies in capsizing
 

sherwindu wrote in
:

Yes, it's another one of those monohulls going down to the bottom with
their heavy keels.

Sherwin D.



Er, ah, take off the catamaran glasses and read the article, again. The
boat SELF RIGHTED after they fell overboard....as the bilge pumps cleaned
out the mess above that heavy ol' keel.

Of course, he could have been upside down in a cat, gasping for air I
suppose.

He died of hypothermia, not monohullitis. If he'd not been thrown
overboard, he would have been below putting on dry clothes.

Man dies in capsizing
 

Barlows winches arrrrrrrrrrrrgh
I have scars across my eyebrow and forehead ( ~12 stitches) from a
Barlow that spun loose from the spindle. I was straining on the mast
mounted winch to reset halyard tension when it came off, the drum
travelled along the tailed, sheet hit my arm and the gyroscopic motion
of the drum kept it going as it then hit me squarely in the face/head..
It broke my good glass sunglasses, parted my eyebrow and knocked me out
for about 30-60 seconds. It was s sunny day with moderate winds so
therefore I had no harness on; but, my wife tellls me the lifeline
sling-shotted me back onto the sidedeck.where I pumped a lot of blood
onto the teak deck.

After that episode we develped a routine MOB drill for such
eventualities. By the way, instead of diving over the side to
retrieve the drum for the Balow, it threw it over the side as I
remembered how many times I had gone aloft the mast (58ft from the
water) hanging solely from this winch. Those damn 'push button'
release Barlows can kill you - If you have them, trash them and replace
with something 'safe'.

;-)

In article , Peter HK
wrote:

"Larry" wrote in message
...

Try this and see how you come out.....

Take out your usual crew of people, some partially sailors, some not,

Take her out in the harbor to a big open area with few boats you might
endanger.

Jump overboard from your lofty helm perch and start frantically screaming
and waving your arms in distress. Click the stopwatch on your diver's
Rolex Oyster to time this event.

Watch the reaction from back aboard by your crack crew of wife, kids,
friends, business associates and those still drinking your beer.

How long was it before they got her turned around and came effortlessly
alongside your position to retrieve you, using the finest navigation and
methods of retrieval?


I've actually experienced this scenario almost exactly, though it was my
crazy brother- not me- who dived off the boat unexpectedly, and it was not
in a "big open area with few boats"

We were heading out for a race, had just hoisted the mainsail when the winch
barrel on an old Barlow 16 winch popped of and rolled over the side (they
had a spring loaded retaining mechanism which was hopeless). The crew
consisted of my brother and myself (both with many years of racing and
cruising experience) and a friend who had been out sailing a couple of
times.

As the winch barrel rolled over, out of the corner of my eye, I saw my
brother dive in after it! We were in the middle of the channel leading out
of the boat harbour with maybe 10-12 other boats heading out to the start- a
few had to dodge him. He had actually grabbed it and was holding the winch
barrel aloft like a prize.

After the first few seconds of stunned disbelief, I explained to Graeme, my
inexperienced crewman, how to drop the mainsail, we dropped it, started the
diesel (there was no manoeuvring room in the channel to sail) and motored
back to get my idiot brother. Total time about 3 minutes.

I had been planning to replace that crappy old winch for some time, but,
because it was there, hadn't bothered. It would have been an ideal
opportunity- but it was still there when I sold the boat a couple of years
later.

Surprisingly, I still go sailing with my brother.

Peter HK

Man dies in capsizing
 

Thats an interesting comment.

I spent a lot of time in my youth in the Canadian maritimes and on the
'rock' Newfoundland. I asked the question in an outport of why the
women so outnumbered the men. The answer was - they all drowned.
Incredulous I then asked doesnt any know how to swim? The reply to
that was - no they didnt bother learn to swim because it was a waste of
time. A waste of time!!!! why is that so, if so many drowned?????
The next answer - the water is so cold that even the best swimmer could
only survive a few minutes anyway so why bother to go through all that
trouble and drown anyway.

The Titanic sunk off the Canadian maritimes and probably all that
drowned, suffered hypothermia first, then drowned.

Man dies in capsizing
 

Rich Hampel wrote:
Thats an interesting comment.

I spent a lot of time in my youth in the Canadian maritimes and on the
'rock' Newfoundland. I asked the question in an outport of why the
women so outnumbered the men. The answer was - they all drowned.
Incredulous I then asked doesnt any know how to swim? The reply to
that was - no they didnt bother learn to swim because it was a waste of
time. A waste of time!!!! why is that so, if so many drowned?????
The next answer - the water is so cold that even the best swimmer could
only survive a few minutes anyway so why bother to go through all that
trouble and drown anyway.

The Titanic sunk off the Canadian maritimes and probably all that
drowned, suffered hypothermia first, then drowned.

One of our cameramen went on a shoot up north half a dozen years ago.
He asked the Inuit fishermen (who weren't wearing lifejackets) what to
do if the boat sank. They said to drink lots of water on the way
down... in other words, don't prolong the agony.
It's not that bad in the Maritimes during the June-October period.
In some bays on the Atlantic side, the water reaches mid to high 60s.
On the Northumberland Straight, even higher.
What do they say... in 50 degree water, half the people could last half
an hour. We all know that sailors are more rugged than most!

Man dies in capsizing
 

News f2s wrote:
"Larry" wrote in message
...

pruned

Jump overboard from your lofty helm perch and start frantically
screaming
and waving your arms in distress. Click the stopwatch on your
diver's
Rolex Oyster to time this event.


How long was it before they got her turned around and came
effortlessly
alongside your position to retrieve you, using the finest
navigation and
methods of retrieval?


As a matter of interest, do all US boats have boarding/bathing
ladders?

In the nice warm Mediterranean, most boats do. Easily the best and
quickest aid to getting someone aboard in most circumstances.

In the cold waters of UK, they're rare. Perverse? 'Blow up that
dinghy - Fast!'

JimB



In Canada a re-boarding device is a requirement on boats 6 metres or
over with a freeboard in excess of .5 metre.
http://boating.ncf.ca/equipment.html

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"Don White" wrote in message
news:abqDf.3902$VV4.103038@ursa-
As a matter of interest, do all US boats have boarding/bathing
ladders?

In the nice warm Mediterranean, most boats do. Easily the best
and quickest aid to getting someone aboard in most
circumstances.

In the cold waters of UK, they're rare. Perverse? 'Blow up that
dinghy - Fast!'

JimB



In Canada a re-boarding device is a requirement on boats 6
metres or over with a freeboard in excess of .5 metre.
http://boating.ncf.ca/equipment.html

Interesting. But in my opinion the reboarding device has to be
permanently mounted in such a way that a person in the water (as -
falling into the sea while boarding, a common event, even at the
dockside) can immediately swim round to it, drop the ladder and
climb back aboard.

JimB

Man dies in capsizing
 

"News f2s" wrote in message
...

"Larry" wrote in message
...

pruned

Jump overboard from your lofty helm perch and start frantically screaming
and waving your arms in distress. Click the stopwatch on your diver's
Rolex Oyster to time this event.

How long was it before they got her turned around and came effortlessly
alongside your position to retrieve you, using the finest navigation and
methods of retrieval?

As a matter of interest, do all US boats have boarding/bathing ladders?

In the nice warm Mediterranean, most boats do. Easily the best and
quickest aid to getting someone aboard in most circumstances.

In the cold waters of UK, they're rare. Perverse? 'Blow up that dinghy -
Fast!'

JimB

I think and most experts agree that boarding from the stern is a bad idea in
all but the most benign conditions. Certainly there are times in the Med
when it's fine, but other times are not ok. Warm water isn't the only
critieria.

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...that boarding from the stern is a bad idea...

Jonathan... Can you elaborate on the aforementioned statement?

I think you and/or some others have before... but please refresh
my memory.

Tnx for the tutorial...

Bill

Man dies in capsizing
 

News f2s wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
news:abqDf.3902$VV4.103038@ursa-

As a matter of interest, do all US boats have boarding/bathing
ladders?

In the nice warm Mediterranean, most boats do. Easily the best
and quickest aid to getting someone aboard in most
circumstances.

In the cold waters of UK, they're rare. Perverse? 'Blow up that
dinghy - Fast!'

JimB




In Canada a re-boarding device is a requirement on boats 6
metres or over with a freeboard in excess of .5 metre.
http://boating.ncf.ca/equipment.html


Interesting. But in my opinion the reboarding device has to be
permanently mounted in such a way that a person in the water (as -
falling into the sea while boarding, a common event, even at the
dockside) can immediately swim round to it, drop the ladder and
climb back aboard.

JimB


Yup!
That's why I installed a four rung ss boarding ladder on my transom last
year. I'll keep the little hook model that came with the boat for 'over
the side' boarding in rough seas.

Man dies in capsizing
 

Man dies in capsizing
 

I think and most experts agree that boarding from the stern is a
bad idea in all but the most benign conditions. Certainly there
are times in the Med when it's fine, but other times are not ok.
Warm water isn't the only critieria.

A quick exit from cold water is the most important criterion. The
colder, the quicker the exit must be. For most marina and harbour
dunks, stern boarding is safe, and they're the most common events.
As many people have discovered, it's very difficult to board a
hard dinghy from the water.

If your stern ladder extends about 2 ft deep into the water, stern
boarding becomes safe in a much wider range of conditions. And if
it's unsafe, you can always go back to assisted boarding - over
the side, whatever. If there's someone to assist you. And if
there's time before hypothermia sets in.

JimB

Man dies in capsizing
 

Okay, I almost posted this without prompting, but held off.

Gusty day on Lake Travis TX with peak gusts pushing 32 MPH. Not
dangerous, but not benign either. My wife and I host another
couple on our Catalina 27. We have shut off the motor, hoisted
the main, and I've given the tiller to my friend so that I can
go forward and hoist the small jib. The ladies are having drinks
in the back of the cockpit. We are beating out a channel from the
marina to the main channel where I intend to hoist the jib. I've
unfolded the jib and hanked it on, and am on my knees holding the
jib down while I unwind the jib sheets in preparation for leading
them back to the cockpit when I hear a yell!. The jib is requiring
my full attention to keep it from blowing out from between my knees,
so I ignore the first yell figuring that there is nothing that can
be that pressing at the moment. Another yell for me! I look back
and see that the helmsman is in the water, and the two ladies are
sitting in the back of the cockpit where they cannot easily reach
the tiller!

A couple of quick wraps with the sheets secure the jib to the railing,
and I rush back to grab the tiller. The helmsman is now 30-40 yards
behind us and only 15-20 yards from the side of the channel where the
chop is breaking against a cliff. We do the figure-8 MOB drill for REAL
with a gybe instead of a tack on the backside and iron the boat to a
stop within 10 feet of my dripping ex-helmsman.

Turns out a gust blew his hat off, and he jumped in the water after
it...

And yes we still go sailing with them. Sure was glad for all the times
we played MOB with the channel bouys.

Don W.

Larry wrote:

This newsgroup could sure use a lot more stories like this than it gets....

Thanks, Peter!

Man dies in capsizing
 

"Don White" wrote in message
news:1esDf.3958$VV4.104238@ursa-

Ever watch your stern bob up & down like a rocking horse at a
rough mooring? midships, the movement is more subdued.

If you're talking about routinely boarding a vessel from a tender,
I agree. If you're talking warm water, I agree. Mount from the
beam.

If it's cold water, and you're talking about someone who's in the
water, it's a different matter. Especially if there's no-one else
on board (competent) to help.

You then need a ladder rigged that extends 2ft into the water, or
a soft dinghy in the water which can be boarded from within the
water (and that's not too easy either for some of us). Otherwise
someone on board is rigging slings and stuff, and that takes time.

Younger people are agile enough to cope with shorter ladders and
soft dinghies, but on the cruising boats I've seen a lot of us are
pretty ancient, and I, for one, prefer grabbing a heaving ladder
(with all the risks that entails), to being just a bit too long in
cold water.

JimB

Man dies in capsizing
 

Don W wrote:
Okay, I almost posted this without prompting, but held off.

Gusty day on Lake Travis TX with peak gusts pushing 32 MPH. Not
dangerous, but not benign either. My wife and I host another
couple on our Catalina 27. We have shut off the motor, hoisted
the main, and I've given the tiller to my friend so that I can
go forward and hoist the small jib. The ladies are having drinks
in the back of the cockpit. We are beating out a channel from the
marina to the main channel where I intend to hoist the jib. I've
unfolded the jib and hanked it on, and am on my knees holding the
jib down while I unwind the jib sheets in preparation for leading
them back to the cockpit when I hear a yell!. The jib is requiring
my full attention to keep it from blowing out from between my knees,
so I ignore the first yell figuring that there is nothing that can
be that pressing at the moment. Another yell for me! I look back
and see that the helmsman is in the water, and the two ladies are
sitting in the back of the cockpit where they cannot easily reach
the tiller!

A couple of quick wraps with the sheets secure the jib to the railing,
and I rush back to grab the tiller. The helmsman is now 30-40 yards
behind us and only 15-20 yards from the side of the channel where the
chop is breaking against a cliff. We do the figure-8 MOB drill for REAL
with a gybe instead of a tack on the backside and iron the boat to a
stop within 10 feet of my dripping ex-helmsman.

Turns out a gust blew his hat off, and he jumped in the water after
it...

And yes we still go sailing with them. Sure was glad for all the times
we played MOB with the channel bouys.

Don W.

Larry wrote:

This newsgroup could sure use a lot more stories like this than it
gets....

Thanks, Peter!



Once we had our top regional boss and his wife out sailing on the Boat I
crewed on. A gust of wind snatched his cap and dropped it in the drink.
Our helmsman did a quick 180 and I immediately dove for the storage area
under the cockpit seats...scattering the ladies. I was able to get the
boat hook ready just as we passed by the cap and with one swoop I picked
it up. Timing was perfect...more by luck than any skill.

Man dies in capsizing
 

I think its more like: "you only have a 50% chance of swimming 50 yards
in 50 degree water", .......... then you become moderately hypothermic
(lose all muscle control), then you drown/die.


In article , Don White
wrote:

Rich Hampel wrote:
Thats an interesting comment.

I spent a lot of time in my youth in the Canadian maritimes and on the
'rock' Newfoundland. I asked the question in an outport of why the
women so outnumbered the men. The answer was - they all drowned.
Incredulous I then asked doesnt any know how to swim? The reply to
that was - no they didnt bother learn to swim because it was a waste of
time. A waste of time!!!! why is that so, if so many drowned?????
The next answer - the water is so cold that even the best swimmer could
only survive a few minutes anyway so why bother to go through all that
trouble and drown anyway.

The Titanic sunk off the Canadian maritimes and probably all that
drowned, suffered hypothermia first, then drowned.

One of our cameramen went on a shoot up north half a dozen years ago.
He asked the Inuit fishermen (who weren't wearing lifejackets) what to
do if the boat sank. They said to drink lots of water on the way
down... in other words, don't prolong the agony.
It's not that bad in the Maritimes during the June-October period.
In some bays on the Atlantic side, the water reaches mid to high 60s.
On the Northumberland Straight, even higher.
What do they say... in 50 degree water, half the people could last half
an hour. We all know that sailors are more rugged than most!

Man dies in capsizing
 

"Don White" wrote in message
...
Don W wrote:
Okay, I almost posted this without prompting, but held off.

Gusty day on Lake Travis TX with peak gusts pushing 32 MPH. Not
dangerous, but not benign either. My wife and I host another
couple on our Catalina 27. We have shut off the motor, hoisted
the main, and I've given the tiller to my friend so that I can
go forward and hoist the small jib. The ladies are having drinks
in the back of the cockpit. We are beating out a channel from the marina
to the main channel where I intend to hoist the jib. I've
unfolded the jib and hanked it on, and am on my knees holding the
jib down while I unwind the jib sheets in preparation for leading
them back to the cockpit when I hear a yell!. The jib is requiring
my full attention to keep it from blowing out from between my knees,
so I ignore the first yell figuring that there is nothing that can
be that pressing at the moment. Another yell for me! I look back
and see that the helmsman is in the water, and the two ladies are
sitting in the back of the cockpit where they cannot easily reach
the tiller!

A couple of quick wraps with the sheets secure the jib to the railing,
and I rush back to grab the tiller. The helmsman is now 30-40 yards
behind us and only 15-20 yards from the side of the channel where the
chop is breaking against a cliff. We do the figure-8 MOB drill for REAL
with a gybe instead of a tack on the backside and iron the boat to a stop
within 10 feet of my dripping ex-helmsman.

Turns out a gust blew his hat off, and he jumped in the water after
it...

And yes we still go sailing with them. Sure was glad for all the times
we played MOB with the channel bouys.

Don W.

Larry wrote:

This newsgroup could sure use a lot more stories like this than it
gets....

Thanks, Peter!



Once we had our top regional boss and his wife out sailing on the Boat I
crewed on. A gust of wind snatched his cap and dropped it in the drink.
Our helmsman did a quick 180 and I immediately dove for the storage area
under the cockpit seats...scattering the ladies. I was able to get the
boat hook ready just as we passed by the cap and with one swoop I picked
it up. Timing was perfect...more by luck than any skill.

Ok, my turn... I was teaching a couple of people various MOB techniques down
BVI way a few years ago. Since I knew their abilities, I had no hesitation
being in the water as the victim. They did fine, so after about 1/2 day, we
decided to go for a sail. We were cruising along with me driving. Two of the
crew were in the cockpit, with the other two hanging their legs in the water
off the stern swim platform (always fun). One of the woman called my name,
so I turned around to answer. She was standing on the swim platform holding
her drink. She smiled, yelled MOB, and jumped off the stern. I guess it was
my turn. :-)

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

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"Don White" wrote in message
...
News f2s wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
news:abqDf.3902$VV4.103038@ursa-

As a matter of interest, do all US boats have boarding/bathing
ladders?

In the nice warm Mediterranean, most boats do. Easily the best
and quickest aid to getting someone aboard in most
circumstances.

In the cold waters of UK, they're rare. Perverse? 'Blow up that
dinghy - Fast!'

JimB




In Canada a re-boarding device is a requirement on boats 6
metres or over with a freeboard in excess of .5 metre.
http://boating.ncf.ca/equipment.html


Interesting. But in my opinion the reboarding device has to be
permanently mounted in such a way that a person in the water (as -
falling into the sea while boarding, a common event, even at the
dockside) can immediately swim round to it, drop the ladder and
climb back aboard.

JimB


Yup!
That's why I installed a four rung ss boarding ladder on my transom last
year. I'll keep the little hook model that came with the boat for 'over
the side' boarding in rough seas.

A PO of my boat did go over the side and couldn't get back aboard until
someone came by and helped him out of the water. The boat has an outboard
rudder, so he installed a step on it and another on the ransom. I have never
tried it in rough water, but again if it is that rough, I stay in the
pilothouse if at all possible.

Leanne

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"Don W" wrote in message
m...
Okay, I almost posted this without prompting, but held off.
Turns out a gust blew his hat off, and he jumped in the water after
it...

Do you duct tape his hat on now. It makes a real secure chin strap.

Leanne

Man dies in capsizing
 

"Leanne" wrote in :

Do you duct tape his hat on now. It makes a real secure chin strap.

Leanne



Only in Beaufort....(c;

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"News f2s" wrote in news:drlcn7$qc9$1
@news.freedom2surf.net:

Interesting. But in my opinion the reboarding device has to be
permanently mounted in such a way that a person in the water (as -
falling into the sea while boarding, a common event, even at the
dockside) can immediately swim round to it, drop the ladder and
climb back aboard.

JimB


We have a reboarding device hanging down from our marina dock. We almost
lost one of the drunk sailors one night.....

We were all sitting in a cabin drinking heavily listening to the usual
sea stories and other BS that fills the space between refills. One of
our "regulars" got up and left the boat to **** over the side of the
dock, hopefully not in someone's dingy.

Well, he was in worse condition than he thought. He fell over-the-side
of the dock between a couple of boats, dead drunk, with noone topside to
witness and save him as we were all drunk in the cabin, music blaring and
some young honey making us all drool, dreaming of the possibilities....

Noone really noticed his extended absence as he has been known to crawl
into his boat and bunk many times before, never even saying good night.

About an hour later, here he comes back aboard wearing clean clothes far
different from what he left with. We asked him what happened and he told
us of falling into the water, swimming drunk around to the boarding
platform of a transient's trawler on another dock, walking back to his
boat soaking wet....then changing his clothes to come back to the party
because we had more great vodka to drink up. Not until the next day did
the dock realize we could have lost him the previous night.

So, we installed a nice boarding ladder in his honor on the side of the
main dock centrally located so he wouldn't have to walk so far...(c;

We call it "Lloyd's Ladder"....(c;

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"Rich Hampel" wrote in message
...
Barlows winches arrrrrrrrrrrrgh
I have scars across my eyebrow and forehead ( ~12 stitches) from a
Barlow that spun loose from the spindle.

Interestingly, the same thing happened to me on my next boat- a Barlow 16
came off the mast as I was tailing- missed me but bounced onto a solar panel
shattering it. Those winches I replaced.

Peter HK

Man dies in capsizing
 

No, no duct tape. Just promises to "never do that again".

Don W.

Leanne wrote:
"Don W" wrote in message
m...

Okay, I almost posted this without prompting, but held off.

Turns out a gust blew his hat off, and he jumped in the water after

it...


Do you duct tape his hat on now. It makes a real secure chin strap.

Leanne

Man dies in capsizing
 

Dave wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 18:35:40 -0000, in rec.boats.cruising you wrote:


A quick exit from cold water is the most important criterion. The
colder, the quicker the exit must be. For most marina and harbour
dunks, stern boarding is safe, and they're the most common events.
As many people have discovered, it's very difficult to board a
hard dinghy from the water.


I always carry a rope ladder with plastic rungs stored in a canvas bag with
the ladder fastened to the pushpit and a poly pull rope trailing with about
6' in the water from the stern. If push comes to shove I can pull on the
rope and get the ladder down for boarding. I also always wear a harness when
going forward. My one concern (other than being knocked unconscious) is that
if I go in the drink the harness could keep me so far forward that I
wouldn't be able to reach the pull rope.

My wife boat me one of those rope ladders with plastic rungs last year
because she was worried about me getting into the boat if I fell off. I
jumped over and tried it and it was extremely difficult to climb when
the boat was anchored and stable and I was just wearing a bathing suit.
We regard the ladder as junk. We are still trying to figure out a
better way. We do have a proper boarding ladder that extends a couple
feet into the water but it is heavy and sits in a locker when we are
sailing. I would like one of those custom jobs that flips down from the
pushpit ad drops deep into the water and doesn't push away when you step
on it. I am even thinking of having a step put in the trailing edge of
the rudder to facilitate reboarding.

Gaz

Man dies in capsizing
 

Don W wrote in news:8MxDf.15438
:

Just promises to "never do that again".


Yeah, I'd say he was in the water long enough, if he meant it...(c;

Man dies in capsizing
 

"Gary" wrote in message
news:5UxDf.375770$2k.201451@pd7tw1no...
Dave wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 18:35:40 -0000, in rec.boats.cruising you wrote:


A quick exit from cold water is the most important criterion. The colder,
the quicker the exit must be. For most marina and harbour dunks, stern
boarding is safe, and they're the most common events. As many people have
discovered, it's very difficult to board a hard dinghy from the water.


I always carry a rope ladder with plastic rungs stored in a canvas bag
with
the ladder fastened to the pushpit and a poly pull rope trailing with
about
6' in the water from the stern. If push comes to shove I can pull on the
rope and get the ladder down for boarding. I also always wear a harness
when
going forward. My one concern (other than being knocked unconscious) is
that
if I go in the drink the harness could keep me so far forward that I
wouldn't be able to reach the pull rope.

My wife boat me one of those rope ladders with plastic rungs last year
because she was worried about me getting into the boat if I fell off. I
jumped over and tried it and it was extremely difficult to climb when the
boat was anchored and stable and I was just wearing a bathing suit. We
regard the ladder as junk. We are still trying to figure out a better
way. We do have a proper boarding ladder that extends a couple feet into
the water but it is heavy and sits in a locker when we are sailing. I
would like one of those custom jobs that flips down from the pushpit ad
drops deep into the water and doesn't push away when you step on it. I am
even thinking of having a step put in the trailing edge of the rudder to
facilitate reboarding.

Gaz

While sailing off the coast a few years ago on a CT 48 ketch. Lots of
freeboard. We had a rope ladder, but it was a huge pain to use... kept
getting fingers and toes squashed. The easiest way to get back aboard was to
wait for the boat to heel in your direction while it was drifting along and
rocking back and forth. You would just wait until the toerail was within
reach, then hold on and you would be vaulted on to the deck.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

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Gary wrote in news:5UxDf.375770$2k.201451
@pd7tw1no:

My wife boat me one of those rope ladders with plastic rungs last year
because she was worried about me getting into the boat if I fell off.
I
jumped over and tried it and it was extremely difficult to climb when
the boat was anchored and stable and I was just wearing a bathing suit.
We regard the ladder as junk. We are still trying to figure out a
better way. We do have a proper boarding ladder that extends a couple
feet into the water but it is heavy and sits in a locker when we are
sailing. I would like one of those custom jobs that flips down from
the
pushpit ad drops deep into the water and doesn't push away when you
step
on it. I am even thinking of having a step put in the trailing edge of
the rudder to facilitate reboarding.



Of course, all these cures assume, wrongly, that the person in the water
is:
A) Awake and alert
B) Able to pull himself up and climb a ladder
c) Not hypothermic, which easily negates A) and B)

Next time you have the wife and kids out for a cruise, and have stopped
to let the boat drift in the tide, make believe she did get the boat
turned around, came near you and got the boat stopped quite close
(probably closer than is reality in an emergency).

Jump overboard and yell, "Unconcious Man Overboard!" Then, just lay
floating there in your PFD and see if the family can save you WITHOUT
your muscle power getting you back aboard.

Related Question: Is the wife and teenagers qualified in CPR recently?

How is she going to REVIVE you, if they manage to get your overweight
hulk back in the cockpit quickly enough.....Or, are you just going to lay
there until you die and they try to navigate home without you.

Can they navigate home without you?.....Or, will they die, too??

Hard questions require hard looking at family preparedness.....

After the successful completion of the CPR test in the cockpit. Tell her
and the kids to sail the boat back to the dock and simulate using the
radio to see if they know how....

Might save their lives, even if we can't save yours.....

Too many skippers play "Master and Commander" all the time and never just
turn it over to the rest of the family to qualify them.....

Man dies in capsizing
 

Larry wrote:
Gary wrote in news:5UxDf.375770$2k.201451
@pd7tw1no:


My wife boat me one of those rope ladders with plastic rungs last year
because she was worried about me getting into the boat if I fell off.

I

jumped over and tried it and it was extremely difficult to climb when
the boat was anchored and stable and I was just wearing a bathing suit.
We regard the ladder as junk. We are still trying to figure out a
better way. We do have a proper boarding ladder that extends a couple
feet into the water but it is heavy and sits in a locker when we are
sailing. I would like one of those custom jobs that flips down from

the

pushpit ad drops deep into the water and doesn't push away when you

step

on it. I am even thinking of having a step put in the trailing edge of
the rudder to facilitate reboarding.




Of course, all these cures assume, wrongly, that the person in the water
is:
A) Awake and alert
B) Able to pull himself up and climb a ladder
c) Not hypothermic, which easily negates A) and B)

Next time you have the wife and kids out for a cruise, and have stopped
to let the boat drift in the tide, make believe she did get the boat
turned around, came near you and got the boat stopped quite close
(probably closer than is reality in an emergency).

Jump overboard and yell, "Unconcious Man Overboard!" Then, just lay
floating there in your PFD and see if the family can save you WITHOUT
your muscle power getting you back aboard.

Related Question: Is the wife and teenagers qualified in CPR recently?

How is she going to REVIVE you, if they manage to get your overweight
hulk back in the cockpit quickly enough.....Or, are you just going to lay
there until you die and they try to navigate home without you.

Can they navigate home without you?.....Or, will they die, too??

Hard questions require hard looking at family preparedness.....

After the successful completion of the CPR test in the cockpit. Tell her
and the kids to sail the boat back to the dock and simulate using the
radio to see if they know how....

Might save their lives, even if we can't save yours.....

Too many skippers play "Master and Commander" all the time and never just
turn it over to the rest of the family to qualify them.....

To hell with it. Lets sell the boat and stay in the house.

Man dies in capsizing
 

Gary wrote:
Dave wrote:

On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 18:35:40 -0000, in rec.boats.cruising you wrote:


A quick exit from cold water is the most important criterion. The
colder, the quicker the exit must be. For most marina and harbour
dunks, stern boarding is safe, and they're the most common events. As
many people have discovered, it's very difficult to board a hard
dinghy from the water.



I always carry a rope ladder with plastic rungs stored in a canvas bag
with
the ladder fastened to the pushpit and a poly pull rope trailing with
about
6' in the water from the stern. If push comes to shove I can pull on the
rope and get the ladder down for boarding. I also always wear a
harness when
going forward. My one concern (other than being knocked unconscious)
is that
if I go in the drink the harness could keep me so far forward that I
wouldn't be able to reach the pull rope.

My wife boat me one of those rope ladders with plastic rungs last year
because she was worried about me getting into the boat if I fell off. I
jumped over and tried it and it was extremely difficult to climb when
the boat was anchored and stable and I was just wearing a bathing suit.
We regard the ladder as junk. We are still trying to figure out a
better way. We do have a proper boarding ladder that extends a couple
feet into the water but it is heavy and sits in a locker when we are
sailing. I would like one of those custom jobs that flips down from the
pushpit ad drops deep into the water and doesn't push away when you step
on it. I am even thinking of having a step put in the trailing edge of
the rudder to facilitate reboarding.

Gaz

Something like this?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...d/Hpim0200.jpg