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I posted this on the flkeys sailnet group, but figure there's more people
here than there :{)) We've already heard about the routing in this group, but the wind and marina stuff is still unknown... We'll be coming through in our M461, 63' air draft, 6-6 water draft, from St. Pete. We'll be headed to some point in the Bahamas where we can buy fuel and find a post office, in order to satisfy our tax shelter from sales tax. We'll need to do that quickly - not hang out on the hook for the best weather, which will mean trying to guage the weather before we leave from St. Pete. We expect to sail it straight through; the main portion of the trip is pretty straightforward, but getting through the shoals around the west side are enough to make us wonder if it can really be done. Our target is to get there in plenty of light, even if it means just heaving to somewhere off shore for the rest of the night - and then leave by lunch, preferably the following day, with an overnight anchor to rest up. So, there's a couple of questions. 1) What recommended route (with waypoints, if available - but we've got both paper and electronic charts so should be able to figure out stuff if not) through the shoals and bridge from the west? And, the only other time we were there, we tied up outside, as, at the time, there wasn't a reverse in our tranny and we didn't want to risk going into the harbor. (We then went on to Key West, not under the bridge/West.) Is it worth the time to go anchor in the harbor, or is out front better to avoid having to get up early to leave before lunch? 2) We expect this to be either late winter or early spring (March-April-May). Is there any online resource for a track of how winds behave in this time frame (or any other, for that matter)? That is, what sort of wind tracking can we expect, in order to make our best arrival? It would be very useful if we could have some assurance that we'd find the wind as expected (which would mean extrapolation to that point from at least a couple of days out) when we got there. Our tax issues don't allow us the luxury of hanging on the hook until a suitable window arrives - we have to get there when it does, if at all possible. And, perhaps, a 3rd, as a backup plan, without going into all the vagaries of the tax law: What marinas there have haul-out facilities? We'd actually not haul out, but that ability is one of the main qualifiers for a tax-sheltered layover, and we'd be in water storage, so that we could leave on a moment's notice. Thanks for any direction and experience... L8R Skip and Lydia, preparing to cut the cord Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC http://tinyurl.com/384p2 The vessel as Tehamana, as we bought her "Believe me, my young friend, there is *nothing*-absolutely nothing-half so much worth doing as simply messing, messing-about-in-boats; messing about in boats-or *with* boats. In or out of 'em, it doesn't matter. Nothing seems really to matter, that's the charm of it. Whether you get away, or whether you don't; whether you arrive at your destination or whether you reach somewhere else, or whether you never get anywhere at all, you're always busy, and you never do anything in particular; and when you've done it there's always something else to do, and you can do it if you like, but you'd much better not." |
Marathon FL local knowledge sought
On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 19:14:30 -0500, "Skip Gundlach" skipgundlach at
gmail dotcom wrote: We expect to sail it straight through; the main portion of the trip is pretty straightforward, but getting through the shoals around the west side are enough to make us wonder if it can really be done. I assume you are talking about the west side of Marathon south of the bridge? The bridge at Moser Channel has 65 ft at high tide so you should be OK there. From the bridge go south about .75 nm to R2 before turning ENE towards FL G '1' at the Marathon channel entrance. That will take you south of Pigeon Key Banks and north of the 6 ft spot. We have no problem with 5 1/2 feet, lots of water. The real challenge is finding a place to anchor or moor in Boot Key Harbor. You might be better off to just get a dock for the night. If you don't want to do the run non-stop, Venice is a good stop over, as is Ft Myers Beach or Marco Island. If you really want to give FL the slip, run non-stop to the Bahamas. Once you leave the marina in St Pete there will be no record of you anywhere unless you transit a drawbridge at some point. Your entry documents in the Bahamas will document your timing if it should ever become an issue, which is unlikely in my opinion. Once you are over 3 miles offshore I believe you are technically out of state. |
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Skip Gundlach wrote:. We'll need to do that quickly - not hang out on the hook for the best weather, which will mean trying to guage the weather before we leave from St. Pete. Hi Skip, My Bahamas crossings have been with my 22 foot 4 foot draft sloop, so some of my experiences may not apply to you. That being said, for the late Winter and early Spring you should see a lot of prevailing Easterly winds (not what you want). You can take advantage of the Northers that come down from the upper USA. That causes the winds to go around clockwise. Timing here is critical that you start your trip when the winds are from the SE or S. Leaving from the mid or lower keys, you should get a nice beam reach for hopefully one day. It can be quicker than that, depending on how fast the front is moving. You definitely do not want to leave with any chance of the wind coming out of the NW, N, or NE as the Gulf Stream gets very nasty with steep uncomfortable waves. Our weather has been pretty erratic for the past few years, so I would not put too much faith in wind charts. You can find some in the Yachtsman Guide to the Bahamas, but they cannot be relied on. You seem to have a 63 footer which should get you across the 50 mile span in say 6 hours, or less. I would leave at the crack of dawn to allow an arrival in early afternoon, barring other unusual circumstances. Also, check the Yachtsman's Guide for facilities there. Have a good sail, Sherwin D. |
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Hi, Wayne, and group,
"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 19:14:30 -0500, "Skip Gundlach" skipgundlach at gmail dotcom wrote: We expect to sail it straight through; the main portion of the trip is pretty straightforward, but getting through the shoals around the west side are enough to make us wonder if it can really be done. I assume you are talking about the west side of Marathon south of the bridge? The bridge at Moser Channel has 65 ft at high tide so you should be OK there. Well, technically, as to the bridge, we're talking about the closest point under the road to Key West in order to make our transit as short as possible. The subject shoals are on the St. Pete side of the bridge, which we assume to be mile marker 5 or some such. All the looking at paper and electronic charts have not been very definitive about how to make that happen successfully, and there seem to be several points where bridges are high enough, which surprises me. From the bridge go south about .75 nm to R2 before turning ENE towards FL G '1' at the Marathon channel entrance. That will take you south of Pigeon Key Banks and north of the 6 ft spot. We have no problem with 5 1/2 feet, lots of water. The real challenge is finding a place to anchor or moor in Boot Key Harbor. You might be better off to just get a dock for the night. Is that the area south of Marathon, with a large shallows area across from it? If so, that's where we hung our hook on the CCW direction trip. If you don't want to do the run non-stop, Venice is a good stop over, as is Ft Myers Beach or Marco Island. Heh. Unless Venice has dredged, their ICW channel is from hunger - or, more likely, starvation!, putting it charitably. We went aground a half dozen times trying to follow directions (in the ICW!) to get to the yacht club. We gave up and tied up at the restaurant/fuel supply. The next morning, we went hard (fortunately we were pulled off by a monster sportfish delivery captain we'd chatted up at dinner) aground, again in the channel, right across from the fuel dock. I can't speak to the others... If you really want to give FL the slip, run non-stop to the Bahamas. Once you leave the marina in St Pete there will be no record of you anywhere unless you transit a drawbridge at some point. Your entry documents in the Bahamas will document your timing if it should ever become an issue, which is unlikely in my opinion. Once you are over 3 miles offshore I believe you are technically out of state. Probably - but the point isn't to flee, but instead prove to the folks in Tallahassee that we're not using or enjoying our boat in FL, thus escaping the multithousand dollar privilege of buying it in FL. So, our entry point documents is a good thought, though, as it most certainly will become an issue - we'll mail them a copy, rather than our fuel receipt. Hm. Maybe. Do the entry documents include the boat, or just the people? And, given the very narrow window available, we want to do that directly - and hope that we can time the winds right... Thanks. L8R Skip -- Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC http://tinyurl.com/384p2 The vessel as Tehamana, as we bought her "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain |
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Hi, Sherwin, and group,
"sherwindu" wrote in message ... Skip Gundlach wrote:. We'll need to do that quickly - not hang out on the hook for the best weather, which will mean trying to guage the weather before we leave from St. Pete. Hi Skip, You can take advantage of the Northers that come down from the upper USA. That causes the winds to go around clockwise. Timing here is critical that you start your trip when the winds are from the SE or S. That's as we assumed - it's the making it there such that we don't have to wait around for those winds which is our challenge. You seem to have a 63 footer which should get you across the 50 mile span in say 6 hours, or less. I would leave at the crack of dawn to allow an arrival in early afternoon, barring other unusual circumstances. Also, check the Yachtsman's Guide for facilities there. Actually, that's the air draft. The boat's only a 46, 39.25 WL. VanSandt seems to think it's much longer than that, recommending leaving just before lunch to arrive by dawnish the next day. I have thought that to be rather more than generous, but I surely want to arrive in full light. In any event, if we were motoring at less than pedal-to-the-metal, or sailing in good winds, we'd be in the 6's and 7's. That seems to make for - with drift - more like a 10 or more hour crossing. Most of what I'd assumed folks have done seemed oriented around Lake Worth, which has folks leaving in the middle of the night, for a full-daylight arrival. And, of course, if it's not north, most likely it will be east winds, making it necessary to motor. My only direct experience with the stream was a very light wind from the west, with very calm conditions, in early March a few years ago, and we rode it from Nassau to Daytona Beach, with the engine just ticking over while we sailed with barely filled sails. Have a good sail, Sherwin D. Thanks. L8R Skip -- Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC http://tinyurl.com/384p2 The vessel as Tehamana, as we bought her "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain |
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On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:25:10 -0500, "Skip Gundlach" skipgundlach at
gmail dotcom wrote: Well, technically, as to the bridge, we're talking about the closest point under the road to Key West in order to make our transit as short as possible. That would be Moser channel at Marathon. The subject shoals are on the St. Pete side of the bridge, which we assume to be mile marker 5 or some such. No. You are totally out of the ICW at this point. All the looking at paper and electronic charts have not been very definitive about how to make that happen successfully, and there seem to be several points where bridges are high enough, which surprises me. Only at Moser Channel west of Marathon. The approach from the north goes like this: Aim for a way point at roughly Lat N24-55 by Lon W81-09. From there proceed due south 6.7 nautical miles leaving Bullard Bank to starboard. Next, run a course of 213 magnetic for a distance of 3.7 NM leaving Red Bay Bank to port. Continuing on, go south again towards Moser Channel and the bridge, taking a small westward jog around the 7 foot spot just north of the bridge. From the bridge go south .75 nm to R2, then turn ENE towards FL G '1' at the Marathon channel entrance. That will take you south of Pigeon Key Banks and north of the 6 ft spot. If you don't want to do the run non-stop, Venice is a good stop over, as is Ft Myers Beach or Marco Island. Heh. Unless Venice has dredged, their ICW channel is from hunger - or, more likely, starvation!, putting it charitably. We went aground a half dozen times trying to follow directions (in the ICW!) to get to the yacht club. You don't need to go on the ICW if you are just pulling in off the Gulf of Mexico for the night. There is a large marina on the right as you go in (Crow's Nest Marina). |
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BTW how long can an out of state boat remain in FL before it is subject to
FL tax ? I was thinking it was 90 days, but perhaps that is not correct. "Skip Gundlach" skipgundlach at gmail dotcom wrote in message ... I posted this on the flkeys sailnet group, but figure there's more people here than there :{)) We've already heard about the routing in this group, but the wind and marina stuff is still unknown... We'll be coming through in our M461, 63' air draft, 6-6 water draft, from St. Pete. We'll be headed to some point in the Bahamas where we can buy fuel and find a post office, in order to satisfy our tax shelter from sales tax. We'll need to do that quickly - not hang out on the hook for the best weather, which will mean trying to guage the weather before we leave from St. Pete. We expect to sail it straight through; the main portion of the trip is pretty straightforward, but getting through the shoals around the west side are enough to make us wonder if it can really be done. Our target is to get there in plenty of light, even if it means just heaving to somewhere off shore for the rest of the night - and then leave by lunch, preferably the following day, with an overnight anchor to rest up. So, there's a couple of questions. 1) What recommended route (with waypoints, if available - but we've got both paper and electronic charts so should be able to figure out stuff if not) through the shoals and bridge from the west? And, the only other time we were there, we tied up outside, as, at the time, there wasn't a reverse in our tranny and we didn't want to risk going into the harbor. (We then went on to Key West, not under the bridge/West.) Is it worth the time to go anchor in the harbor, or is out front better to avoid having to get up early to leave before lunch? 2) We expect this to be either late winter or early spring (March-April-May). Is there any online resource for a track of how winds behave in this time frame (or any other, for that matter)? That is, what sort of wind tracking can we expect, in order to make our best arrival? It would be very useful if we could have some assurance that we'd find the wind as expected (which would mean extrapolation to that point from at least a couple of days out) when we got there. Our tax issues don't allow us the luxury of hanging on the hook until a suitable window arrives - we have to get there when it does, if at all possible. And, perhaps, a 3rd, as a backup plan, without going into all the vagaries of the tax law: What marinas there have haul-out facilities? We'd actually not haul out, but that ability is one of the main qualifiers for a tax-sheltered layover, and we'd be in water storage, so that we could leave on a moment's notice. Thanks for any direction and experience... L8R Skip and Lydia, preparing to cut the cord Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC http://tinyurl.com/384p2 The vessel as Tehamana, as we bought her "Believe me, my young friend, there is *nothing*-absolutely nothing-half so much worth doing as simply messing, messing-about-in-boats; messing about in boats-or *with* boats. In or out of 'em, it doesn't matter. Nothing seems really to matter, that's the charm of it. Whether you get away, or whether you don't; whether you arrive at your destination or whether you reach somewhere else, or whether you never get anywhere at all, you're always busy, and you never do anything in particular; and when you've done it there's always something else to do, and you can do it if you like, but you'd much better not." |
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"Garland Gray II" wrote in message news:es5yf.7012$CV.2252@dukeread03... BTW how long can an out of state boat remain in FL before it is subject to FL tax ? I was thinking it was 90 days, but perhaps that is not correct. You can stay longer as I recall as long as you are having work done in a yard that meets certain criteria. And there is some paper work that you and the yard must fill out. Capt. Bill |
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Absent repairs being made, then 90 days is correct ?
"A H FOSTER" wrote in message news:ZLiyf.12290$sq.707@trnddc01... "Garland Gray II" wrote in message news:es5yf.7012$CV.2252@dukeread03... BTW how long can an out of state boat remain in FL before it is subject to FL tax ? I was thinking it was 90 days, but perhaps that is not correct. You can stay longer as I recall as long as you are having work done in a yard that meets certain criteria. And there is some paper work that you and the yard must fill out. Capt. Bill |
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On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 00:14:35 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote: The subject shoals are on the St. Pete side of the bridge, which we assume to be mile marker 5 or some such. Are you talking about taking the ICW south from St Pete or going under the Sunshine Skyway out into the Gulf? Are you starting from St Pete on Tampa Bay or from St Pete Beach on the west side? |
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I visited the Dept of Trans in FL about 2 weeks ago and they told me 30
days. So I registered and bought the sticker. -- "Garland Gray II" wrote in message news:9Jryf.7044$CV.482@dukeread03... Absent repairs being made, then 90 days is correct ? "A H FOSTER" wrote in message news:ZLiyf.12290$sq.707@trnddc01... "Garland Gray II" wrote in message news:es5yf.7012$CV.2252@dukeread03... BTW how long can an out of state boat remain in FL before it is subject to FL tax ? I was thinking it was 90 days, but perhaps that is not correct. You can stay longer as I recall as long as you are having work done in a yard that meets certain criteria. And there is some paper work that you and the yard must fill out. Capt. Bill |
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"Garland Gray II" wrote in message news:9Jryf.7044$CV.482@dukeread03... Absent repairs being made, then 90 days is correct ? Here's were you can get the definitive answer: http://sun6.dms.state.fl.us/dor/businesses/ |
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"A H FOSTER" wrote in message news:7Guyf.3159$MG1.239@trnddc05... "Garland Gray II" wrote in message news:9Jryf.7044$CV.482@dukeread03... Absent repairs being made, then 90 days is correct ? Here's were you can get the definitive answer: http://sun6.dms.state.fl.us/dor/businesses/ A H FOSTER, I am curious. Does "Vacuum Resources" mean anything to you? Eisboch |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
... On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 00:14:35 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: The subject shoals are on the St. Pete side of the bridge, which we assume to be mile marker 5 or some such. Are you talking about taking the ICW south from St Pete or going under the Sunshine Skyway out into the Gulf? Are you starting from St Pete on Tampa Bay or from St Pete Beach on the west side? We're in Salt Creek Marina. We'll go under the skyway and head south. We'll go outside. The fastest route there is my target. Generally speaking , from my very limited experience, I want to avoid the ICW in my remaining few - and any other, unlikely, subsequent, US sailing days (once we leave FL, we don't expect to return to the US). Thanks for the waypoints and headings, btw! L8R Skip and Lydia -- Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC http://tinyurl.com/384p2 The vessel as Tehamana, as we bought her "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain |
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"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "A H FOSTER" wrote in message news:7Guyf.3159$MG1.239@trnddc05... "Garland Gray II" wrote in message news:9Jryf.7044$CV.482@dukeread03... Absent repairs being made, then 90 days is correct ? Here's were you can get the definitive answer: http://sun6.dms.state.fl.us/dor/businesses/ A H FOSTER, I am curious. Does "Vacuum Resources" mean anything to you? Eisboch Check your Email. Capt. Bill |
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On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 13:11:28 -0500, "Skip Gundlach" skipgundlach at
gmail dotcom wrote: Thanks for the waypoints and headings, btw! Glad to be of assistance. Keep us posted on progress and good luck with your voyage. |
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Thanks me and AH Foster.
I'll call tomorrow. I'm recollecting my trip of four years ago; I believe I was in FL in excess of 30 days w/o having to register, and I think I would have been certain that I need not. I'll find out for sure tomorrow. "A H FOSTER" wrote in message news:7Guyf.3159$MG1.239@trnddc05... "Garland Gray II" wrote in message news:9Jryf.7044$CV.482@dukeread03... Absent repairs being made, then 90 days is correct ? Here's were you can get the definitive answer: http://sun6.dms.state.fl.us/dor/businesses/ |
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"just me" wrote:
I visited the Dept of Trans in FL about 2 weeks ago and they told me 30 days. So I registered and bought the sticker. If you buy a boat in Florida, I think you have 30 days (after you get out of the yard where you are having repairs etc done) to get out of the state and must stay out a year in order to avoid the sales tax. If you just come to Florida from some other state where you have the boat registered and have paid taxes etc there, then you have 90 days before you have to register in Florida. Note: The folks at the DMV or Department of Transportation or whatever they call it in Florida are notorious around the country for not knowing the correct answers to questions. There are a lot of them and they don't always get the word. My daughter who was 21 years old took the documents up to register her truck, and they told her she had to get her father's signature. (She does look younger.) She did that because she was still living at home, but when she went back the next person she talked to asked her what in the world she had done that for - of course she didn't have to have her father's signature after she was an adult. grandma Rosalie |
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"capt.bill11" wrote in message
... Wayne.B Wrote: On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 13:11:28 -0500, "Skip Gundlach" skipgundlach at gmail dotcom wrote: Thanks for the waypoints and headings, btw! Glad to be of assistance. Keep us posted on progress and good luck with your voyage. Same here. And sorry I never got back to you on that genset. -- capt.bill11 Thanks, Bill, and group, And not to worry about the genset - it sold to a relatively-local guy who was just about to buy his M41OI. I met him at the Morgan Invasion. Now, if I could just find someone who wanted my refrigeration, other than the "sent you too much money, send me the overage via Western Union" scam I'm currently playing out... (see rec.boats.marketplace if interested) Meanwhile, I'll post again about it later, separately, but the PT and surgeon are, respectively, thrilled and amazed, with my progress. It's no longer a case of whether, but when, I'll be able to put my arm over my head with no assistance, in bumpy conditions, the target of this long travail. Still no departure target, as it moves too much, but we'll be outta here in the next few months. Off to the boat again 15Feb while my PT (and surgeon, too, as he's the team doctor in addition to the shoulder wizard for all) travels with the Braves to spring training. It works out that our Christmas work trip was very beneficial to the arm; I'm hoping to see a similar startling difference when I return 27Feb. L8R Skip, in rehab so I can refit :{)) -- Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC http://tinyurl.com/384p2 The vessel as Tehamana, as we bought her "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
... On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:25:10 -0500, "Skip Gundlach" skipgundlach at gmail dotcom wrote: If you don't want to do the run non-stop, Venice is a good stop over, as is Ft Myers Beach or Marco Island. Heh. Unless Venice has dredged, their ICW channel is from hunger - or, more likely, starvation!, putting it charitably. We went aground a half dozen times trying to follow directions (in the ICW!) to get to the yacht club. You don't need to go on the ICW if you are just pulling in off the Gulf of Mexico for the night. There is a large marina on the right as you go in (Crow's Nest Marina). That's the one where we eventually wound up tying up, and eating dinner, too. And, for that matter, out in front of which we became hard aground IN THE CHANNEL :{/) NTL, if we had to, we'd go in, there. L8R Skip -- Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC http://tinyurl.com/384p2 The vessel as Tehamana, as we bought her "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain |
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There are two contacts who will have the answer about any tax issues WRT
boats: , , Jimmy Kalfas, the "resolution" guy, and Charles Martin, the "enforcement" guy (Jimmy used to have his job). Drop them a line; they're unfailingly helpful and courteous... L8R Skip -- Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC http://tinyurl.com/384p2 The vessel as Tehamana, as we bought her "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain |
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Thanks.
I believe I have the right info now. I did contact the FL yesterday, and sfter the first guy looked it up and came back with 20 days maximum ( not including time in a repair facility), I called back again and this time was told what Rosalie has reported. If it is an out of state boat, you only need to register if the boat remains longer than 90 days. And to register means only that, something like $80 state fee, and possibly a similar local fee. No sales tax. "Skip Gundlach" skipgundlach at gmail dotcom wrote in message ... There are two contacts who will have the answer about any tax issues WRT boats: , , Jimmy Kalfas, the "resolution" guy, and Charles Martin, the "enforcement" guy (Jimmy used to have his job). Drop them a line; they're unfailingly helpful and courteous... L8R Skip -- Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC http://tinyurl.com/384p2 The vessel as Tehamana, as we bought her "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain |
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