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"Jeff" wrote in message . .. Bryan wrote: I might try the 2 off the bow next time I overnight at Isla Coronado. I don't need to; it's an uncrowded anchorage with plenty of swing room and no current or wind shift concerns. However, it is a 30 foot depth so I am maxed out on scope. Maybe I'll sleep better with 2 anchors down. I was about to say that 300 feet was a lot of chain to put down for 30 feet unless you're very exposed. But I thought I'd look at a chart first - that certainly looks like like its totally exposed with a ten mile fetch to the mainland. This would be considered a pretty marginal anchorage here in New England. We have a few such destinations, Mohegan, Isle of Shoals, etc., but for the most part, its easy to find good protection. Of course, the really nice places closer to Boston are saturated with moorings. Still, if you're not happy carrying 300 feet of chain, I would suggest that you could get by with 50 feet of chain and 300 feet of nylon. The holding power will be just about the same, and in fact you'll be better able to feel when the hook is set firmly. If you like the extra weight of chain, you can strap some diver's weights on the rode and slide them down about 40 feet. BTW, what kind of anchor do you use, and do you have a windlass? The ground tackle is a Danforth anchor, 30 feet of chain, 250 feet of nylon. No windlass. I aim for a 7:1 scope so 30 feet at high tide is the max depth I'll anchor in. At Catalina I aim for a spot with 20 feet depth so I can let out more rode if needed. I'm a fair weather anchorer, so I'll be on a mooring if conditions aren't near perfect or I won't go. And you're right my most common anchorages are not textbook perfect. I don't know where the idea of 300 feet of chain came from (but it wouldn't be on the boat I'm sailing). Sorry, it is Gordon, who started this thread, that has 300 feet of chain. If I were using a Danforth on bottoms other than mud, I would double anchor more often. I've learned by hard experience that the Danforth is less than 100% perfect when resetting on wind/current shifts. I've never had a problem with a Delta, and I'd expect a Spade to do fine as well. With two anchors this is not so much of a problem; I use a Fortress as my secondary. |
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On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:29:12 GMT, Gary wrote:
Bryan wrote: "Jeff" wrote in message . .. Bryan wrote: I might try the 2 off the bow next time I overnight at Isla Coronado. I don't need to; it's an uncrowded anchorage with plenty of swing room and no current or wind shift concerns. However, it is a 30 foot depth so I am maxed out on scope. Maybe I'll sleep better with 2 anchors down. http://www.oceanpix.co.uk/anchoring-overnight.htm " In among islands and against the shore where most anchoring is done, the wind direction may vary during the course of an evening. By sundown, when we most often anchor, the breeze is frequently off the land - not necessarily the prevailing wind direction of a few hours earlier nor the direction of the predicted shift. Anchors are normally set to the existing wind at the moment of anchoring. It's the easiest thing to do. At least the boat will tend properly to her anchor for a while, but often the wind will be from another direction by morning." Good graphics/////// Mic'67 |
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Bryan wrote: I've sailed out of Long Beach and Marina Del Rey in the sailboats. When I try the crossing in the runabout I'll either leave from the Long Beach ramp or the one next to Seal Beach. Although I'll sail to Catalina in any conditions found in the summer, I will avoid sailing there during a Santa Ana condition. With the runabout I'll cancel my Catalina plans and head for a lake if the conditions aren't perfect. What do you sail? Email me (there's only one real dot in my address) if you want my personal favorite Catalina itinerary. I haven't done much sailing in So. Cal., since I left school in SD. Why not in Santa Anas? Is the issue beating back or the sea state? At the moment, I sail (mostly) on a Yamaha 30 out of Sausalito (school's boat). I also sail Holder 20s on a lake from time to time. Currently, boatless, but contemplating several in the 35-foot range. Email on the way... -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Jeff wrote: I was about to say that 300 feet was a lot of chain to put down for 30 feet unless you're very exposed. But I thought I'd look at a chart first - that certainly looks like like its totally exposed with a ten mile fetch to the mainland. This would be considered a pretty marginal anchorage here in New England. We have a few such destinations, Mohegan, Isle of Shoals, etc., but for the most part, its easy to find good protection. Of course, the really nice places closer to Boston are saturated with moorings. Still, if you're not happy carrying 300 feet of chain, I would suggest that you could get by with 50 feet of chain and 300 feet of nylon. The holding power will be just about the same, and in fact you'll be better able to feel when the hook is set firmly. If you like the extra weight of chain, you can strap some diver's weights on the rode and slide them down about 40 feet. BTW, what kind of anchor do you use, and do you have a windlass? Perhaps using collets instead of 300 ft of chain. My recollection is that they're also almost as good. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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In article , Jeff wrote:
If I were using a Danforth on bottoms other than mud, I would double anchor more often. I've learned by hard experience that the Danforth is less than 100% perfect when resetting on wind/current shifts. I've never had a problem with a Delta, and I'd expect a Spade to do fine as well. With two anchors this is not so much of a problem; I use a Fortress as my secondary. Up here, I could probably get away with using an old tennis shoe in the SF mud. The big issue is getting the damn thing out of the mud and then getting the damn mud off the hook before we stow it. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Lord Reginald Smithers" The fastest and most accurate Gun in the World
wrote in : Harry, rec.boats.cruising really does not need your feeble attempts to insult Larry. You are nothing more than a little gnat buzzing around Larry. Please don't feed the Krausebot. It only feeds it. Kill file him and forget it. I wouldn't have seen him if you hadn't replied, which everyone shouldn't. |
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Harry Krause wrote:
Larry wrote: "Lord Reginald Smithers" The fastest and most accurate Gun in the World wrote in : Harry, rec.boats.cruising really does not need your feeble attempts to insult Larry. You are nothing more than a little gnat buzzing around Larry. Please don't feed the Krausebot. It only feeds it. Kill file him and forget it. I wouldn't have seen him if you hadn't replied, which everyone shouldn't. So, when did you sell that jetski and get the sailboat, Larry? And what converted you to wind power? I believe larry crews on other boats and earns his way by taking care of mechanical/electrical systems . |
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"Jeff" wrote in message ... Bryan wrote: "Jeff" wrote in message . .. Bryan wrote: BTW, what kind of anchor do you use, and do you have a windlass? The ground tackle is a Danforth anchor, 30 feet of chain, 250 feet of nylon. No windlass. I aim for a 7:1 scope so 30 feet at high tide is the max depth I'll anchor in. At Catalina I aim for a spot with 20 feet depth so I can let out more rode if needed. I'm a fair weather anchorer, so I'll be on a mooring if conditions aren't near perfect or I won't go. And you're right my most common anchorages are not textbook perfect. I don't know where the idea of 300 feet of chain came from (but it wouldn't be on the boat I'm sailing). Sorry, it is Gordon, who started this thread, that has 300 feet of chain. If I were using a Danforth on bottoms other than mud, I would double anchor more often. I've learned by hard experience that the Danforth is less than 100% perfect when resetting on wind/current shifts. I've never had a problem with a Delta, and I'd expect a Spade to do fine as well. With two anchors this is not so much of a problem; I use a Fortress as my secondary. I do anchor in sand and mud; I'm very limited in my alternate opportunities and the danforth is the common anchor on the boats I sail. |
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... In article , Jeff wrote: BTW, what kind of anchor do you use, and do you have a windlass? Perhaps using collets instead of 300 ft of chain. My recollection is that they're also almost as good. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com Now I have to look up collets! Thanks. |
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On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 05:27:28 GMT, "Bryan"
wrote: Now I have to look up collets! Thanks. ================================ Try looking under kellet first. http://www.johnsboatstuff.com/Articles/anchor.htm |
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Bryan wrote:
Now I have to look up collets! Thanks. http://www.cruisingoutfitters.com/kiwi.html These are slick, but expensive. As I've said, you can do almost as well with some dive weights. |
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On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 08:03:50 -0500, Jeff wrote:
Bryan wrote: Now I have to look up collets! Thanks. http://www.cruisingoutfitters.com/kiwi.html These are slick, but expensive. As I've said, you can do almost as well with some dive weights. In the Pacific North West, downrigger balls are commonly used as much less expensive kellets. Jack _________________________________________ Jack Dale ISPA Yachtmaster Offshore Instructor CYA Advanced Cruising Instructor http://www.swiftsuresailing.com _________________________________________ |
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Another modus I saw first hand is to take a coffee or pineapple juice,
better, can, cut off the top, pour lead into it, and sink a big figure-8 of heavy SS wire into it to the V of the top circle. Let it cool, cut off the can, and you have a very heavy, cheap, kellet... L8R Skip -- Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC http://tinyurl.com/384p2 The vessel as Tehamana, as we bought her "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain |
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Oh no!!!!! More lead poisoning!!! Gasp!!!
G "Skip Gundlach" skipgundlach at gmail dotcom wrote in message ... Another modus I saw first hand is to take a coffee or pineapple juice, better, can, cut off the top, pour lead into it, and sink a big figure-8 of heavy SS wire into it to the V of the top circle. Let it cool, cut off the can, and you have a very heavy, cheap, kellet... L8R Skip -- Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC http://tinyurl.com/384p2 The vessel as Tehamana, as we bought her "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain |
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Actually, Gordon said he would like to get rid of 300 lbs in his bow!
Altho he does have 300 foot of 1/4" hi test chain. Gordon "Bryan" wrote in message om... "Jeff" wrote in message ... Bryan wrote: "Jeff" wrote in message . .. Bryan wrote: BTW, what kind of anchor do you use, and do you have a windlass? The ground tackle is a Danforth anchor, 30 feet of chain, 250 feet of nylon. No windlass. I aim for a 7:1 scope so 30 feet at high tide is the max depth I'll anchor in. At Catalina I aim for a spot with 20 feet depth so I can let out more rode if needed. I'm a fair weather anchorer, so I'll be on a mooring if conditions aren't near perfect or I won't go. And you're right my most common anchorages are not textbook perfect. I don't know where the idea of 300 feet of chain came from (but it wouldn't be on the boat I'm sailing). Sorry, it is Gordon, who started this thread, that has 300 feet of chain. If I were using a Danforth on bottoms other than mud, I would double anchor more often. I've learned by hard experience that the Danforth is less than 100% perfect when resetting on wind/current shifts. I've never had a problem with a Delta, and I'd expect a Spade to do fine as well. With two anchors this is not so much of a problem; I use a Fortress as my secondary. I do anchor in sand and mud; I'm very limited in my alternate opportunities and the danforth is the common anchor on the boats I sail. |
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"Gordon" wrote in message
... Oh no!!!!! More lead poisoning!!! Gasp!!! G What were you going to make your kellets out of? And for that matter, your fishing weights?? L8R Skip, presuming you to be tongue-in-cheek, but not seeing any of the usual indicators thereof... -- Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC http://tinyurl.com/384p2 The vessel as Tehamana, as we bought her "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain |
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Gordon wrote:
Actually, Gordon said he would like to get rid of 300 lbs in his bow! Altho he does have 300 foot of 1/4" hi test chain. Well then, the simple answer is to get rid of all that chain. But I'm guessing you think you need it, so your options for balancing the boat are to reposition the chain elsewhere, or to balance it by moving other weight aft. Of course too much weight in the extremes increases hobby horsing, but its hard to tell how much your boat is affected by that. In my case, my catamaran's performance would suffer from adding that much weight, so I'm forced to use the "high tech, light weight" approach to anchoring - Delta & Fortress anchors, mostly nylon rode. For most situations, this is equal in holding power to the "brute force" approach of all chain, usually attached to a large Bruce or CQR anchor. Actually, on my previous boat, which didn't have a (good) windlass, my anchoring got much better when I switched to lightweight gear, because I was always sure when the anchor was well and truly set, and I did not hesitate to haul the anchor if I was in any way unhappy about the setup. |
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Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 05:27:28 GMT, "Bryan" wrote: Now I have to look up collets! Thanks. ================================ Try looking under kellet first. http://www.johnsboatstuff.com/Articles/anchor.htm Yeah, something like that. :-) That's the article I saw a while ago. Thanks for the link! -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Jack Dale wrote: On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 08:03:50 -0500, Jeff wrote: Bryan wrote: Now I have to look up collets! Thanks. http://www.cruisingoutfitters.com/kiwi.html These are slick, but expensive. As I've said, you can do almost as well with some dive weights. In the Pacific North West, downrigger balls are commonly used as much less expensive kellets. Like those for fishing? Do you have a link for them? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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But why go to the bother of cutting away the can?
A few uses and it should go away by itself. BF "Skip Gundlach" skipgundlach at gmail dotcom wrote in message ... Another modus I saw first hand is to take a coffee or pineapple juice, better, can, cut off the top, pour lead into it, and sink a big figure-8 of heavy SS wire into it to the V of the top circle. Let it cool, cut off the can, and you have a very heavy, cheap, kellet... L8R Skip -- Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC http://tinyurl.com/384p2 The vessel as Tehamana, as we bought her "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain |
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"BF" wrote in message
... But why go to the bother of cutting away the can? A few uses and it should go away by itself. BF But who wants flaky rust aboard, or even leaky rust? I'm into efficiency, but the residue cleanup would be more effort than the cutaway :{)) L8R Skip, older and wiser, but not yet rusting away -- Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC http://tinyurl.com/384p2 The vessel as Tehamana, as we bought her "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain |
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"Commodore Joe Redcloud©" wrote in message ... On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 05:27:28 GMT, "Bryan" wrote: "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... In article , Jeff wrote: BTW, what kind of anchor do you use, and do you have a windlass? Perhaps using collets instead of 300 ft of chain. My recollection is that they're also almost as good. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com Now I have to look up collets! Thanks. You will have much better results looking up "kellet" Commodore Joe Redcloud© Thanks to all for the word, kellet, and the links. Bryan |
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"Gordon" wrote: How do all you cruisers keep your boats from walking all over the place when using brait or nylon at anchor? Chain lays on the bottom and pretty much holds you in one place but line lets a boat roam at will. How do you prevent that? As others mentioned, if you're the first in the anchorage, twin anchors off the bow is the usual answer. Most of the time, doing what everyone else is doing is right, though. Once in a while, we'll tie a dock line to the rode with a rolling hitch, cleat at a mid or stern cleat, then ease the rode out so the boat "cocks" to one side. At about 30 degrees to the wind, the boat wanders very little. Handy for keeping the sun in the right place. Also handy in those times when wind and waves are not aligned. -- Jere Lull Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD) Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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Jere Lull wrote:
Once in a while, we'll tie a dock line to the rode with a rolling hitch, cleat at a mid or stern cleat, then ease the rode out so the boat "cocks" to one side. At about 30 degrees to the wind, the boat wanders very little. Handy for keeping the sun in the right place. Also handy in those times when wind and waves are not aligned. Referred to as pointing ship. This technique was used to bring guns to bear when at anchor and there was an offshore or onshore wind. It can also be done using spankers or mizzens on full rigged ships. Very neat! |
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"The Complete Book of Anchorng and Mooring" by Earl Hinz will answer
(almost) everything. ==== Charles T. Low www.boatdocking.com ==== "Gordon" wrote in message ... How do all you cruisers keep your boats from walking all over the place when using brait or nylon at anchor? Chain lays on the bottom and pretty much holds you in one place but line lets a boat roam at will. How do you prevent that? Gordon |
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Hi:
AKA "cannon balls" i the salmon trolling fleet. Usually come in 30 or 40 pound size with nice brass eye for connecting small stuff. Most any commercial fishsing store on west coast from N 48- to N 38- will have have them. Two common a Englund Marine, OR....... no, not england, Englund Fishermans supply, WA Bob |
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"Bob" wrote in message oups.com... Hi: AKA "cannon balls" i the salmon trolling fleet. Usually come in 30 or 40 pound size with nice brass eye for connecting small stuff. Most any commercial fishsing store on west coast from N 48- to N 38- will have have them. Two common a Englund Marine, OR....... no, not england, Englund Fishermans supply, WA Bob Bought mine at West Marine. They have sizes down to a few pounds as sport fishermen use them with downriggers. |
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