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Atlantic Crossing on a 26' MacGregor ?
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Atlantic Crossing on a 26' MacGregor ?
wrote in message k.net... "d parker" wrote: "Bryan" wrote: Hey, people sail small boats across the ocean all the time. If that is what you want to do, well by all means have at it. Don't forget to wear your hair shirt to add to your comfort and joy while aboard. Snip The difference it that this guy is talking about taking a MacGregor 26. Its not about the length. Smaller boats can do it. Its about seaworthiness. Just saw the movie "The Perfect Storm" on TV again today. So now I'm thinking about how to build a 27-foot trailerable sailboat with 2 forward staterooms (plus aft king-sized berth) and a diesel/water ballast that can handle this kind of storm. I still think it's possible to do. Great movie. Anything you build will be at a compromise. Lots of cabin means a fat slow boat. Lots of headroom means lots of windage. And so on. Sounds like you arent having a saloon area at this stage. Just two staterooms foward with another aft. What ever floats your boat I spose. DP |
Atlantic Crossing on a 26' MacGregor ?
"d parker" wrote: wrote in message ... Just saw the movie "The Perfect Storm" on TV again today. So now I'm thinking about how to build a 27-foot trailerable sailboat with 2 forward staterooms (plus aft king-sized berth) and a diesel/water ballast that can handle this kind of storm. I still think it's possible to do. Great movie. Anything you build will be at a compromise. Lots of cabin means a fat slow boat. Lots of headroom means lots of windage. And so on. Sounds like you arent having a saloon area at this stage. Just two staterooms foward with another aft. What ever floats your boat I spose. The beam of a trailerable boat is limited to 8.5' in the U.S. The length is somewhat limited because people don't want to tow a boat that's too long. I've been thinking about making a retractable bow which may be hinged at the top or have two side pieces (attached to rails at the top) which slide forward to meet in the center. |
Atlantic Crossing on a 26' MacGregor ?
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Atlantic Crossing on a 26' MacGregor ?
Jim Carter wrote: wrote in message nk.net... I forgot to say that the MacGregor is a sailboat :-) It may not perform well crossing an ocean and may take twice as long as a good sailboat but since it cannot sink or capsize you won't have to worry about getting eaten by sharks. No, the MacGregor is a "pretend" sailboat. It is a compromise between a power boat and a sail boat and it does neither of the two very well. There is no way it should be considered to be a blue water boat. Jim Carter "The Boat" Bayfield I'm not sure whether Popeye is a troll or not, but I think the truth is somewhere between his suggestion that the Mac could sail the Atlantic and your characteristic of the Mac as a "pretend" sailboat. I personally would never attempt an Atlantic crossing in a MacGregor, partially because of the lack of space for provisions, fuel, etc. On the other hand, MacGregor owners in California, where the boats are built, often sail and/or motor offshore to Catalina Island for a weekend. They may use the motor to get there in a few hours so that they can spend the rest of the weekend sailing around the island, and then sail or motor back, permitting them to get in some enjoyable sailing at the island even when limited to a weekend cruise. The difference between a Mac and a larger, fixed keel boat is that the owner of the conventional vessel doesn't have the choice. - He is limited to motoring or sailing at hull speed both ways and doesn't get much time to explore sailing around the island as does the Mac owner. In other localities, the ability to motor out to a desired sailing area quickly, at planing speed, and/or to return at similar speeds, permits one to get where you want to go quickly and to spend more time sailing, rather than motoring out and motoring in at slow hull-limited speed. In other words, on a typical weekend outing, the Mac provides more choices, more schedule flexibility, and more time sailing or relaxing. As to whether the Mac is "unsinkable," probably not, but it's pretty darned hard to sink one. - The skipper of the one reported in the news that capsized was drunk, and the boat was overloaded and didn't have the water ballast. (Note that his attorney didn't succeed in his lawsuit against MacGregor. ) On the other hand, if the hull is compromised on a conventional keel boat, or if it experiences a severe knockdown, the keel can pull it to the bottom fairly quickly. Obviously, a keel boat with longer waterline may have better sailing characteristics than a Mac, but that doesn't mean that sailing a Mac isn't fun or that the Mac is a "pretend" sailboat suited only for pond sailing. (It's interesting that few of the Mac-bashers seem to have much actual experience sailing one of the current models.) I have had experience on the Mac 26M, but I have more experience on larger boats such as the O'Day 37, Valiant 40, Endeavor, etc. - They are different, but they're all fun to sail. In any event, regarding safety, it's obviously true that the weighted keel on a conventional boat can pull it to the bottom in a few minutes if the hull is compromised or the boat is rolled. Jim |
Atlantic Crossing on a 26' MacGregor ?
"Jim Cate" wrote in message ...
Jim Carter wrote: wrote in message k.net... I forgot to say that the MacGregor is a sailboat :-) It may not perform well crossing an ocean and may take twice as long as a good sailboat but since it cannot sink or capsize you won't have to worry about getting eaten by sharks. No, the MacGregor is a "pretend" sailboat. It is a compromise between a power boat and a sail boat and it does neither of the two very well. There is no way it should be considered to be a blue water boat. Jim Carter "The Boat" Bayfield I'm not sure whether Popeye is a troll or not, but I think the truth is somewhere between his suggestion that the Mac could sail the Atlantic and your characteristic of the Mac as a "pretend" sailboat. I personally would never attempt an Atlantic crossing in a MacGregor, partially because of the lack of space for provisions, fuel, etc. On the other hand, MacGregor owners in California, where the boats are built, often sail and/or motor offshore to Catalina Island for a weekend. They may use the motor to get there in a few hours so that they can spend the rest of the weekend sailing around the island, and then sail or motor back, permitting them to get in some enjoyable sailing at the island even when limited to a weekend cruise. The difference between a Mac and a larger, fixed keel boat is that the owner of the conventional vessel doesn't have the choice. - He is limited to motoring or sailing at hull speed both ways and doesn't get much time to explore sailing around the island as does the Mac owner. In other localities, the ability to motor out to a desired sailing area quickly, at planing speed, and/or to return at similar speeds, permits one to get where you want to go quickly and to spend more time sailing, rather than motoring out and motoring in at slow hull-limited speed. In other words, on a typical weekend outing, the Mac provides more choices, more schedule flexibility, and more time sailing or relaxing. As to whether the Mac is "unsinkable," probably not, but it's pretty darned hard to sink one. - The skipper of the one reported in the news that capsized was drunk, and the boat was overloaded and didn't have the water ballast. (Note that his attorney didn't succeed in his lawsuit against MacGregor. ) On the other hand, if the hull is compromised on a conventional keel boat, or if it experiences a severe knockdown, the keel can pull it to the bottom fairly quickly. Obviously, a keel boat with longer waterline may have better sailing characteristics than a Mac, but that doesn't mean that sailing a Mac isn't fun or that the Mac is a "pretend" sailboat suited only for pond sailing. (It's interesting that few of the Mac-bashers seem to have much actual experience sailing one of the current models.) I have had experience on the Mac 26M, but I have more experience on larger boats such as the O'Day 37, Valiant 40, Endeavor, etc. - They are different, but they're all fun to sail. In any event, regarding safety, it's obviously true that the weighted keel on a conventional boat can pull it to the bottom in a few minutes if the hull is compromised or the boat is rolled. Jim Well, we know that you're a troll. Why don't you go into your excessively long paragraphs about the virtues of the boat again. It'll give everyone a good laugh. Oh wait, you did that here. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
Atlantic Crossing on a 26' MacGregor ?
"Don White" wrote in message ... wrote: The length is somewhat limited because people don't want to tow a boat that's too long. I've been thinking about making a retractable bow which may be hinged at the top or have two side pieces (attached to rails at the top) which slide forward to meet in the center. You could plant a foot on each section and surf your way across. If it works you become rich & famous. Let us know how it works out. If it doesnt work he can write a book and become poor and famous. DP |
Atlantic Crossing on a 26' MacGregor ?
'm not sure whether Popeye is a troll or not, but I think the truth is somewhere between his suggestion that the Mac could sail the Atlantic and your characteristic of the Mac as a "pretend" sailboat. I personally would never attempt an Atlantic crossing in a MacGregor, partially because of the lack of space for provisions, fuel, etc. On the other hand, MacGregor owners in California, where the boats are built, often sail and/or motor offshore to Catalina Island for a weekend. They may use the motor to get there in a few hours so that they can spend the rest of the weekend sailing around the island, and then sail or motor back, permitting them to get in some enjoyable sailing at the island even when limited to a weekend cruise. The difference between a Mac and a larger, fixed keel boat is that the owner of the conventional vessel doesn't have the choice. - He is limited to motoring or sailing at hull speed both ways and doesn't get much time to explore sailing around the island as does the Mac owner. In other localities, the ability to motor out to a desired sailing area quickly, at planing speed, and/or to return at similar speeds, permits one to get where you want to go quickly and to spend more time sailing, rather than motoring out and motoring in at slow hull-limited speed. In other words, on a typical weekend outing, the Mac provides more choices, more schedule flexibility, and more time sailing or relaxing.
As to whether the Mac is "unsinkable," probably not, but it's pretty darned hard to sink one. - The skipper of the one reported in the news that capsized was drunk, and the boat was overloaded and didn't have the water ballast. (Note that his attorney didn't succeed in his lawsuit against MacGregor. ) On the other hand, if the hull is compromised on a conventional keel boat, or if it experiences a severe knockdown, the keel can pull it to the bottom fairly quickly. Obviously, a keel boat with longer waterline may have better sailing characteristics than a Mac, but that doesn't mean that sailing a Mac isn't fun or that the Mac is a "pretend" sailboat suited only for pond sailing. (It's interesting that few of the Mac-bashers seem to have much actual experience sailing one of the current models.) I have had experience on the Mac 26M, but I have more experience on larger boats such as the O'Day 37, Valiant 40, Endeavor, etc. - They are different, but they're all fun to sail. In any event, regarding safety, it's obviously true that the weighted keel on a conventional boat can pull it to the bottom in a few minutes if the hull is compromised or the boat is rolled. Jim Its unsinkable-ness ( yay- I made a word) is not a help in this case. As I mentioned in another post have a look at this link http://www.macgregorsailboats.com/safety.html and tell me if those men would still be attached in 20ft waves. Extremely unlikely. The boat would suffer continual knockdowns and those men would become shark poo by the next day. In reality, they would have to move into the liferaft to survive. On a nice day they may ok. but not if the wind is up. DP |
Atlantic Crossing on a 26' MacGregor ?
Don White wrote: wrote: The length is somewhat limited because people don't want to tow a boat that's too long. I've been thinking about making a retractable bow which may be hinged at the top or have two side pieces (attached to rails at the top) which slide forward to meet in the center. You could plant a foot on each section and surf your way across. If it works you become rich & famous. Let us know how it works out. I've put a 3D model of this retractable bow on my web page at http://hull3d.tripod.com So even if the boat is only 27 feet long when placed on a trailer it can become 30 feet or longer in the water. Each half of the retractable bow can also be used for storage. What do you think about this idea ? |
Atlantic Crossing on a 26' MacGregor ?
Welcome back to the sailing corner of usenet.
I'd really like to hear about your real experiences with your new boat. Its fun to consider the hypothetical virtues of a boat, but what really counts is how they are used. Jim Cate wrote: .... As to whether the Mac is "unsinkable," probably not, but it's pretty darned hard to sink one. - The skipper of the one reported in the news that capsized was drunk, and the boat was overloaded and didn't have the water ballast. (Note that his attorney didn't succeed in his lawsuit against MacGregor. ) You can argue that it was not handled well in this case, but the fact that it could happen at all, regardless of the circumstances, does not bode well for a trans-Atlantic. On the other hand, if the hull is compromised on a conventional keel boat, or if it experiences a severe knockdown, the keel can pull it to the bottom fairly quickly. Actually, its fairly easy to add flotation to a small boat. But here's the question: if you were in a Mac 26 in a North Atlantic Gale, and the boat got rolled (as it almost certainly would) and lost its rig, which was now pounding into the hull, and the hull started to leak, would you be trusting your life to a few blocks of foam, or would you be headed to the liferaft? .... In any event, regarding safety, it's obviously true that the weighted keel on a conventional boat can pull it to the bottom in a few minutes if the hull is compromised or the boat is rolled. Lots of boats have been rolled without sinking. In fact, this is one of the basic scenarios that must be considered by any long distance cruiser. Just assuming the boat will go down in a few minutes is not the solution most cruisers have. Even a serious hole can often be dealt with, especially if a boat is designed and built with this in mind. |
Atlantic Crossing on a 26' MacGregor ?
Jeff wrote: Welcome back to the sailing corner of usenet. I'd really like to hear about your real experiences with your new boat. Its fun to consider the hypothetical virtues of a boat, but what really counts is how they are used. Jim Cate wrote: .. As to whether the Mac is "unsinkable," probably not, but it's pretty darned hard to sink one. - The skipper of the one reported in the news that capsized was drunk, and the boat was overloaded and didn't have the water ballast. (Note that his attorney didn't succeed in his lawsuit against MacGregor. ) You can argue that it was not handled well in this case, but the fact that it could happen at all, regardless of the circumstances, does not bode well for a trans-Atlantic. Agreed. I would certainly hope that anyone taking a Mac, or any other boat, offshore would have a full understanding of the boats characteristics and safety requirements. - If he doesn't, he shouldn't leave the dock. Again, I don't think the Mac is suited for any extended ocean crossing. On the other hand, if the hull is compromised on a conventional keel boat, or if it experiences a severe knockdown, the keel can pull it to the bottom fairly quickly. Actually, its fairly easy to add flotation to a small boat. But here's the question: if you were in a Mac 26 in a North Atlantic Gale, and the boat got rolled (as it almost certainly would) and lost its rig, which was now pounding into the hull, and the hull started to leak, would you be trusting your life to a few blocks of foam, or would you be headed to the liferaft? As stated in my note, I personally would never attempt a crossing in a Mac. On the other hand, I disagree with the statement that the Mac is a "pretend" sailboat. I'm not suggesting that the Mac has all the qualities of a large blue water boat. - I'm just suggesting that there should be a little more balance in the discussion, and a little less dogmatism and rancor. As I also stated, I don't claim that the Mac is as fast under sail as a conventional keel boat with longer waterline. Still, they are a lot of fun to sail, and they entail advantages not found in conventional boats. . In any event, regarding safety, it's obviously true that the weighted keel on a conventional boat can pull it to the bottom in a few minutes if the hull is compromised or the boat is rolled. Lots of boats have been rolled without sinking. In fact, this is one of the basic scenarios that must be considered by any long distance cruiser. Just assuming the boat will go down in a few minutes is not the solution most cruisers have. Even a serious hole can often be dealt with, especially if a boat is designed and built with this in mind. Nevertheless, if the hull of a conventional boat is compromised, the keel can quickly pull the boat to the bottom. Accounts of such incidents tell of skipper and crew not even having time to collect their gear or send an SOS. - It's highly unlikely that that would be the case on a Mac. Jim |
Atlantic Crossing on a 26' MacGregor ?
Capt. JG wrote: "Jim Cate" wrote in message ... Jim Carter wrote: wrote in message ink.net... I forgot to say that the MacGregor is a sailboat :-) It may not perform well crossing an ocean and may take twice as long as a good sailboat but since it cannot sink or capsize you won't have to worry about getting eaten by sharks. No, the MacGregor is a "pretend" sailboat. It is a compromise between a power boat and a sail boat and it does neither of the two very well. There is no way it should be considered to be a blue water boat. Jim Carter "The Boat" Bayfield I'm not sure whether Popeye is a troll or not, but I think the truth is somewhere between his suggestion that the Mac could sail the Atlantic and your characteristic of the Mac as a "pretend" sailboat. I personally would never attempt an Atlantic crossing in a MacGregor, partially because of the lack of space for provisions, fuel, etc. On the other hand, MacGregor owners in California, where the boats are built, often sail and/or motor offshore to Catalina Island for a weekend. They may use the motor to get there in a few hours so that they can spend the rest of the weekend sailing around the island, and then sail or motor back, permitting them to get in some enjoyable sailing at the island even when limited to a weekend cruise. The difference between a Mac and a larger, fixed keel boat is that the owner of the conventional vessel doesn't have the choice. - He is limited to motoring or sailing at hull speed both ways and doesn't get much time to explore sailing around the island as does the Mac owner. In other localities, the ability to motor out to a desired sailing area quickly, at planing speed, and/or to return at similar speeds, permits one to get where you want to go quickly and to spend more time sailing, rather than motoring out and motoring in at slow hull-limited speed. In other words, on a typical weekend outing, the Mac provides more choices, more schedule flexibility, and more time sailing or relaxing. As to whether the Mac is "unsinkable," probably not, but it's pretty darned hard to sink one. - The skipper of the one reported in the news that capsized was drunk, and the boat was overloaded and didn't have the water ballast. (Note that his attorney didn't succeed in his lawsuit against MacGregor. ) On the other hand, if the hull is compromised on a conventional keel boat, or if it experiences a severe knockdown, the keel can pull it to the bottom fairly quickly. Obviously, a keel boat with longer waterline may have better sailing characteristics than a Mac, but that doesn't mean that sailing a Mac isn't fun or that the Mac is a "pretend" sailboat suited only for pond sailing. (It's interesting that few of the Mac-bashers seem to have much actual experience sailing one of the current models.) I have had experience on the Mac 26M, but I have more experience on larger boats such as the O'Day 37, Valiant 40, Endeavor, etc. - They are different, but they're all fun to sail. In any event, regarding safety, it's obviously true that the weighted keel on a conventional boat can pull it to the bottom in a few minutes if the hull is compromised or the boat is rolled. Jim Well, we know that you're a troll. Why don't you go into your excessively long paragraphs about the virtues of the boat again. It'll give everyone a good laugh. Oh wait, you did that here. -- Sounds like you don't appreciate my writing style, captain. - Here's a suggestion that might resolve your problem. - You actually don't have to waste your time reading my notes. - Simply mash the button on your keyboard marked "enter," and you can skip right by them. Jim |
Atlantic Crossing on a 26' MacGregor ?
Jeff wrote: ... Actually, its fairly easy to add flotation to a small boat. ... Do you know of any larger sailboat (over 40') with built-in solid floatation ? Doesn't it make even more sense to have this in larger boats (costing hundreds of thousands of dollars) than in a $20,000 boat which doesn't carry much of our belongings ? Even if we're careful and only sail in good weather, there's always a possibility of a collision such as when somebody else doesn't have their lights on. |
Atlantic Crossing on a 26' MacGregor ?
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Jeff wrote: ... Actually, its fairly easy to add flotation to a small boat. ... Do you know of any larger sailboat (over 40') with built-in solid floatation ? Most catamarans have enough buoyancy to be considered unsinkable. Mine has 6 "flotation chambers" scattered around the hull. Plus the geometry means that only only hull is likely to be breached. There are cases of cats sailed back to the dock with large holes in one hull and the water is only up to the floorboards. In addition, many large boats have collision bulkheads that mean that a large hole in one part of the boat might not take it down. Or, you could get an Etap: http://www.etapyachting.com/index.cf...ng&Part=Yachts Doesn't it make even more sense to have this in larger boats (costing hundreds of thousands of dollars) than in a $20,000 boat which doesn't carry much of our belongings ? Hmmm. I might think the lives of those in small boats are worth as much as those in large boats. Small boats need flotation more than large because they have so much less reserve buoyancy. A leak that would take hours to sink a large boat, and might even be controlled by large pumps, could sink a small boat in minutes. Even if we're careful and only sail in good weather, there's always a possibility of a collision such as when somebody else doesn't have their lights on. There are lots of possibilities out there. But most sinkings happen at the dock. |
Atlantic Crossing on a 26' MacGregor ?
Jeff wrote:
Actually, its fairly easy to add flotation to a small boat. wrote: Do you know of any larger sailboat (over 40') with built-in solid floatation ? Yep. Sadler & Etap all have full positive flotation. Actually, I think it would be a good project to add positive flotation to any cruising boat that ventures out into big water. Some care should be taken with the volume distribution , so that stability is mainatained, as well as ensuring sufficient volume. You could utilize the interior angles & odd nooks so as to not lose too much stowage. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
Atlantic Crossing on a 26' MacGregor ?
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Atlantic Crossing on a 26' MacGregor ?
Jim Cate wrote: Sounds like you don't appreciate my writing style, captain. - Here's a suggestion that might resolve your problem. - You actually don't have to waste your time reading my notes. - Simply mash the button on your keyboard marked "enter," and you can skip right by them. Jim If you press the "down" button you can skip an entire string. - No need to read any of them. Jim |
Atlantic Crossing on a 26' MacGregor ?
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Atlantic Crossing on a 26' MacGregor ?
Hey Jim... I found your 11-14-05 (1:55PM) post very interesting and appreciated the over view of the MacGregor. I have been seriously thinking about buying a small craft and for the past year or so have been looking for something that would be com- patible with my needs and limitations. At this point in time a *new* MacGregor has definitely tweaked my interest! Your input... and others that I may come accross on the internet is and will be most helpfull. Best regards Bill M/V Polynesia |
Atlantic Crossing on a 26' MacGregor ?
I can??? Wow. You're not much of a PC/Mac user either! But, I do appreciate the short post this time.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Jim Cate" wrote in message ... Sounds like you don't appreciate my writing style, captain. - Here's a suggestion that might resolve your problem. - You actually don't have to waste your time reading my notes. - Simply mash the button on your keyboard marked "enter," and you can skip right by them. Jim |
Atlantic Crossing on a 26' MacGregor ?
Well, thanks for the clarification!! Now I'm all set. Let me know when you get a real sailboat, and you'll be all set!
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Jim Cate" wrote in message ... Jim Cate wrote: Sounds like you don't appreciate my writing style, captain. - Here's a suggestion that might resolve your problem. - You actually don't have to waste your time reading my notes. - Simply mash the button on your keyboard marked "enter," and you can skip right by them. Jim If you press the "down" button you can skip an entire string. - No need to read any of them. Jim |
Atlantic Crossing on a 26' MacGregor ?
Anyone who takes a Mac offshore should be committed (and I don't mean
devoted). -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Jim Cate" wrote in message ... Agreed. I would certainly hope that anyone taking a Mac, Come on. Don't be so hard on yourself! As stated in my note, I personally would never attempt a crossing in a Mac. It's a joke. Pretend means you know better. You are just too funny! On the other hand, I disagree with the statement that the Mac is a "pretend" sailboat. I'm not suggesting that the Mac has all the qualities of a large blue water boat. - I'm just suggesting that there should be a little more balance in the discussion, and a little less dogmatism and rancor. As I also stated, I don't claim that the Mac is as fast under sail as a conventional keel boat with longer waterline. Still, they are a lot of fun to sail, and they entail advantages not found in conventional boats. |
Atlantic Crossing on a 26' MacGregor ?
I once met an Englishman in Tonga, who had crossed from Hawaii in a
24' boat. I believe the boat he used from England to Hawaii was not that much larger. He sailed singlehanded, and never seemed to think the size of the boat was a problem. (To Nick, if you read this: did you ever get away from Neiafu?) "G" == Gary writes: G wrote: Jeff wrote: ... Actually, its fairly easy to add flotation to a small boat. ... Do you know of any larger sailboat (over 40') with built-in solid floatation ? Doesn't it make even more sense to have this in larger boats (costing hundreds of thousands of dollars) than in a $20,000 boat which doesn't carry much of our belongings ? Even if we're careful and only sail in good weather, there's always a possibility of a collision such as when somebody else doesn't have their lights on. G Larger boats have watertight compartments and collision bulkheads G which really do the same thing as foam. G Crossing the Atlantic in a MacGregor 26 is not impossible or G improbable. Somebody will do it someday. It is just gonna take a lot G of skill and luck. Some amazing journeys have been done in very small G seemingly uncapable boats but the element of luck is unpredictable. G How lucky are you? -- C++: The power, elegance and simplicity of a hand grenade. |
Atlantic Crossing on a 26' MacGregor ?
Sure why not!! with those sturdy plastic cleats and 1/8 inch thick
fiberglass hull your good to go babe!!!!!! |
Atlantic Crossing on a 26' MacGregor ?
On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 13:01:58 +0000, popeye wrote:
Since the MacGregor doesn't capside and doesn't sink (even when filled with water) would it be safer for crossing the Atlantic than a 30' Bayliner ? http://www.macgregorsailboats.com/safety.html I don't know where you got the idea that a McGregor doesn't capsize. Water ballast is essentially useless in keeping a boat from capsizing. If it had a proper ballasted keel, it might be doable, assuming you're willing to get VERY wet, have no sleep and get knocked down and turned over repeatedly. Lloyd Sumpter "Far Cove" Catalina 36 |
Atlantic Crossing on a 26' MacGregor ?
Lloyd Sumpter wrote:
On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 13:01:58 +0000, popeye wrote: Since the MacGregor doesn't capside and doesn't sink (even when filled with water) would it be safer for crossing the Atlantic than a 30' Bayliner ? http://www.macgregorsailboats.com/safety.html I don't know where you got the idea that a McGregor doesn't capsize. Water ballast is essentially useless in keeping a boat from capsizing. If it had a proper ballasted keel, it might be doable, assuming you're willing to get VERY wet, have no sleep and get knocked down and turned over repeatedly. Lloyd Sumpter "Far Cove" Catalina 36 How do you figure that water ballast is "essential useless in keeping a boat from capsizing"? It seems to work well in everything from open 60s to submarines. |
Atlantic Crossing on a 26' MacGregor ?
Have at 'er. Just have to say you won't have me volunteering as crew. Love
to read about the crossing. Take lots of photos and video. Be interesting to read about in Lats & Atts (while sitting on the dry cockpit of my 25,000 pound vessel). Glenn. s/v Seawing www.seawing.net - "Lloyd Sumpter" wrote in message ... On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 13:01:58 +0000, popeye wrote: Since the MacGregor doesn't capside and doesn't sink (even when filled with water) would it be safer for crossing the Atlantic than a 30' Bayliner ? http://www.macgregorsailboats.com/safety.html I don't know where you got the idea that a McGregor doesn't capsize. Water ballast is essentially useless in keeping a boat from capsizing. If it had a proper ballasted keel, it might be doable, assuming you're willing to get VERY wet, have no sleep and get knocked down and turned over repeatedly. Lloyd Sumpter "Far Cove" Catalina 36 |
Atlantic Crossing on a 26' MacGregor ?
In other words, water ballast IS useful in keeping a boat from
capsizing. And you aren't willing to admit you were called, and didn't have a hand. Jim Glenn A. Heslop wrote: Have at 'er. Just have to say you won't have me volunteering as crew. Love to read about the crossing. Take lots of photos and video. Be interesting to read about in Lats & Atts (while sitting on the dry cockpit of my 25,000 pound vessel). Glenn. s/v Seawing www.seawing.net - "Lloyd Sumpter" wrote in message . .. On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 13:01:58 +0000, popeye wrote: Since the MacGregor doesn't capside and doesn't sink (even when filled with water) would it be safer for crossing the Atlantic than a 30' Bayliner ? http://www.macgregorsailboats.com/safety.html I don't know where you got the idea that a McGregor doesn't capsize. Water ballast is essentially useless in keeping a boat from capsizing. If it had a proper ballasted keel, it might be doable, assuming you're willing to get VERY wet, have no sleep and get knocked down and turned over repeatedly. Lloyd Sumpter "Far Cove" Catalina 36 |
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