Atlantic Crossing on small power Boat ?
 

I am thinking of Atlantic crossing for some time in my tiny power boat,
Bayliner 30 footer Aft. bridge. I am doing some changes in boat to get it
ready for this trip.

1. Replacing the Gas engine with diesel cauz diesel gives more milage plus
its cheap in Europe as compare to gas.
2. Adding extra fuel tanks to carry diesel fuel.
3. Installing small wind generator for extra electrical power on boat.
4. As back up source, installing 1000watts solar panels and small diesel
generator.
5. Another idea of using some kind of alteration on my outboard unit to
drive it with electric motor as well as engine. Havn't done the calculation
yet but I am sure it is possible. With extra onboard electric power I think
it is possible to use DC motor to drive the propeller shaft atleast for some
time and then switch over to diesel engine.
6. Another wild idea is to add flying kite thingy to my boat for extra pull
under good wind situation, here is the link if some of you is not familar
with this thing: http://www.kiteship.com/id2.html
7. I've already installed small sea water to fresh water converting unit, so
no worries to carry extra water.
8. Getting all the communication equipments like GPS, HF Radio bla bla.

Now the last thing .... what route ? should I use Northern route to cut down
the long leg in sea like From New York to Halifax, St. John, Greenland,
Iceland, Scottland and then onward.

Or should I go through southern route which most of the sailing boats
normally use, like from Florida to Panamma, Ponta Delgada and Gibraltor etc.

I know it sounds like a crazy idea but hey peoples are doing it on rowing
boats, why can't I do it.

I am open to suggestions from Folks, Please give me your best shot or any
good advise that help me or warn me of any dangers that I should be aware
off besides normal open sea encounter. Any other thing that I am over
looking here in my preparation ?

What month is better ? Which route is good North or South ?

Atlantic Crossing on small power Boat ?
 

Ever thought about buying a sailboat?



Awsome wrote:
I am thinking of Atlantic crossing for some time in my tiny power boat,
Bayliner 30 footer Aft. bridge. I am doing some changes in boat to get it
ready for this trip.

1. Replacing the Gas engine with diesel cauz diesel gives more milage plus
its cheap in Europe as compare to gas.
2. Adding extra fuel tanks to carry diesel fuel.
3. Installing small wind generator for extra electrical power on boat.
4. As back up source, installing 1000watts solar panels and small diesel
generator.
5. Another idea of using some kind of alteration on my outboard unit to
drive it with electric motor as well as engine. Havn't done the calculation
yet but I am sure it is possible. With extra onboard electric power I think
it is possible to use DC motor to drive the propeller shaft atleast for some
time and then switch over to diesel engine.
6. Another wild idea is to add flying kite thingy to my boat for extra pull
under good wind situation, here is the link if some of you is not familar
with this thing: http://www.kiteship.com/id2.html
7. I've already installed small sea water to fresh water converting unit, so
no worries to carry extra water.
8. Getting all the communication equipments like GPS, HF Radio bla bla.

Now the last thing .... what route ? should I use Northern route to cut down
the long leg in sea like From New York to Halifax, St. John, Greenland,
Iceland, Scottland and then onward.

Or should I go through southern route which most of the sailing boats
normally use, like from Florida to Panamma, Ponta Delgada and Gibraltor etc.

I know it sounds like a crazy idea but hey peoples are doing it on rowing
boats, why can't I do it.

I am open to suggestions from Folks, Please give me your best shot or any
good advise that help me or warn me of any dangers that I should be aware
off besides normal open sea encounter. Any other thing that I am over
looking here in my preparation ?

What month is better ? Which route is good North or South ?

Atlantic Crossing on small power Boat ?
 

"Awsome" wrote in message
...
I am thinking of Atlantic crossing for some time in my tiny power boat,
Bayliner 30 footer Aft. bridge. I am doing some changes in boat to get it
ready for this trip.

1. Replacing the Gas engine with diesel cauz diesel gives more milage plus
its cheap in Europe as compare to gas.
2. Adding extra fuel tanks to carry diesel fuel.
3. Installing small wind generator for extra electrical power on boat.
4. As back up source, installing 1000watts solar panels and small diesel
generator.
5. Another idea of using some kind of alteration on my outboard unit to
drive it with electric motor as well as engine. Havn't done the
calculation
yet but I am sure it is possible. With extra onboard electric power I
think
it is possible to use DC motor to drive the propeller shaft atleast for
some
time and then switch over to diesel engine.
6. Another wild idea is to add flying kite thingy to my boat for extra
pull
under good wind situation, here is the link if some of you is not familar
with this thing: http://www.kiteship.com/id2.html
7. I've already installed small sea water to fresh water converting unit,
so
no worries to carry extra water.
8. Getting all the communication equipments like GPS, HF Radio bla bla.

Now the last thing .... what route ? should I use Northern route to cut
down
the long leg in sea like From New York to Halifax, St. John, Greenland,
Iceland, Scottland and then onward.

Or should I go through southern route which most of the sailing boats
normally use, like from Florida to Panamma, Ponta Delgada and Gibraltor
etc.

I know it sounds like a crazy idea but hey peoples are doing it on rowing
boats, why can't I do it.

I am open to suggestions from Folks, Please give me your best shot or any
good advise that help me or warn me of any dangers that I should be aware
off besides normal open sea encounter. Any other thing that I am over
looking here in my preparation ?

What month is better ? Which route is good North or South ?

Well, it's been done in power boats smaller than yours, but, they had
fueling boats accompanying them. You cannot carry enough fuel in your 30
foot Aft Cabin Bayliner to do this trip. Also, your Bayliner is not the
proper boat to do this with. It is not an ocean going vessel. The first
big ocean wave over the boat will crush your windscreen and fill your boat
with water and sink it.

With the things that you are adding to the boat, you are increasing it's
weight substantially. The extra fuel, the heavier diesel engine, and the
generator and the food and water, may also prove your boat unstable and it
could sink from that.
Why would you leave from New York?
The Great Circle Northern route is the best suited to an attempt to cross
the Atlantic in a small vessel. The ones that have made this trip before
use this route.

You had better rethink this and go back to school on Monday.

Jim Carter
"The Boat"
Bayfield

Atlantic Crossing on small power Boat ?
 

On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 12:15:42 -0500, "Awsome"
wrote:

I am thinking of Atlantic crossing for some time in my tiny power boat,
Bayliner 30 footer Aft. bridge.
///
I know it sounds like a crazy idea but hey peoples are doing it on rowing
boats, why can't I do it.

I am open to suggestions from Folks,

I would like to see your estimated fuel budget. That is the prime area
for attention.

Brian Whatcott Altus OK

Atlantic Crossing on small power Boat ?
 

"Brian Whatcott" skrev i en meddelelse
...
On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 12:15:42 -0500, "Awsome"
wrote:

I am thinking of Atlantic crossing for some time in my tiny power boat,
Bayliner 30 footer Aft. bridge.
///
I know it sounds like a crazy idea but hey peoples are doing it on rowing
boats, why can't I do it.

Because the rowing boats used are designed and built for the job, a Bayliner
patently isn`t!
Also the people in them have a clue- Darwin Awards anyone? ;-)

Bob Larder.

Atlantic Crossing on small power Boat ?
 

"Robert Larder" wrote in message
k...

"Brian Whatcott" skrev i en meddelelse
...
On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 12:15:42 -0500, "Awsome"
wrote:

I am thinking of Atlantic crossing for some time in my tiny power boat,
Bayliner 30 footer Aft. bridge.
///
I know it sounds like a crazy idea but hey peoples are doing it on rowing
boats, why can't I do it.

Because the rowing boats used are designed and built for the job, a
Bayliner patently isn`t!
Also the people in them have a clue- Darwin Awards anyone? ;-)

Bob Larder.

There's a way to do it! Convert the bayliner to a submarine.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Atlantic Crossing on small power Boat ?
 

There's a reason they're called bay liners :-)

Atlantic Crossing on small power Boat ?
 

On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 14:39:13 -0500, "bowgus" wrote:

There's a reason they're called bay liners :-)

Cruel, but fair.

To the OP: You'd be far better off buying a trawler-style boat with a
large, slow-turning diesel and a high bow to deflect and power through
the inevitable seas you'll hit. The Bayliner is strictly coastal, by
which I mean "in sight of land" in anything other than ideal
conditions.

YMMV, of course.
R.

Atlantic Crossing on small power Boat ?
 

Jim Carter wrote:

Well, it's been done in power boats smaller than yours, but, they had
fueling boats accompanying them. You cannot carry enough fuel in your 30
foot Aft Cabin Bayliner to do this trip. Also, your Bayliner is not the
proper boat to do this with. It is not an ocean going vessel. The first
big ocean wave over the boat will crush your windscreen and fill your boat
with water and sink it.

With the things that you are adding to the boat, you are increasing it's
weight substantially. The extra fuel, the heavier diesel engine, and the
generator and the food and water, may also prove your boat unstable and it
could sink from that.
Why would you leave from New York?
The Great Circle Northern route is the best suited to an attempt to cross
the Atlantic in a small vessel. The ones that have made this trip before
use this route.

You had better rethink this and go back to school on Monday.



Maybe we should introduce this 'Awsome' character to 'Skipper' over in
wrecked.boats.
Skipper claims to have ridden out hurricanes with a couple dozen fuel
cans strapped to the gunwales of his 21 foot 'Bilgeliner' ...er...Bayliner.

Atlantic Crossing on small power Boat ?
 

Never in a Bayliner. Are you nuts?
G
"rhys" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 14:39:13 -0500, "bowgus" wrote:

There's a reason they're called bay liners :-)

Cruel, but fair.

To the OP: You'd be far better off buying a trawler-style boat with a
large, slow-turning diesel and a high bow to deflect and power through
the inevitable seas you'll hit. The Bayliner is strictly coastal, by
which I mean "in sight of land" in anything other than ideal
conditions.

YMMV, of course.
R.

Atlantic Crossing on small power Boat ?
 

"Don White" wrote in message
...
Maybe we should introduce this 'Awsome' character to 'Skipper' over in
wrecked.boats.
Skipper claims to have ridden out hurricanes with a couple dozen fuel
cans strapped to the gunwales of his 21 foot 'Bilgeliner'
....er...Bayliner.

A few years back, a Bayliner of approx. 26 feet, was caught in a
thunderstorm on northern Lake Huron. It went to the bottom. The waves
breaking over the bow, pushed in the windscreen and tore the front hatch
off. Boat was overloaded and the owner was not skilled in rough weather
boating. He thought that a "small craft warning" was for canoes or
rowboats.

Jim Carter
"The Boat"
Bayfield

Atlantic Crossing on small power Boat ?
 

Don White wrote:

Maybe we should introduce this 'Awsome' character to 'Skipper' over in
wrecked.boats. Skipper claims to have ridden out hurricanes with a
couple dozen fuel cans strapped to the gunwales of his 21 foot
'Bilgeliner' ...er...Bayliner.

Skipper recognized the initiating post as a troll and did not respond.
He respects the sanctity and cleanliness of discussions in this NG. A
shame you do not.

--
Skipper

Atlantic Crossing on small power Boat ?
 

Ok, that was an old joke, and to be fair, I did see a 50' Bayliner this
summer in the Rideau Canal (that's Ontario, Canada) ... all the way from New
Zealand. I believe it was originally purchased in Hawaii. So they can get
around.

There's a reason they're called bay liners :-)

Atlantic Crossing on small power Boat ?
 

bowgus wrote:
There's a reason they're called bay liners :-)

I thought he said bin-liner. Make sure it's a black one, they have more
buoyancy than the white transparent ones.

Atlantic Crossing on small power Boat ?
 

Jim Carter wrote:

A few years back, a Bayliner of approx. 26 feet, was caught in a
thunderstorm on northern Lake Huron. It went to the bottom. The waves
breaking over the bow, pushed in the windscreen and tore the front hatch
off. Boat was overloaded and the owner was not skilled in rough weather
boating. He thought that a "small craft warning" was for canoes or
rowboats.


We had people who felt the same when we sailed the Mirage 33.
In those conditions, I wasn't so worried about the boat, although we
were de-masted during a race in very heavy winds and on another occasion
ripped the genoa up during our 'Turkey Bowl' regatta race. I was more
concerned that someone on board might get hurt or sick (usually me).

Atlantic Crossing on small power Boat ?
 

"Awsome" wrote in message
...
I am thinking of Atlantic crossing for some time in my tiny power boat,
Bayliner 30 footer Aft. bridge. I am doing some changes in boat to get it
ready for this trip.

1. Replacing the Gas engine with diesel cauz diesel gives more milage plus
its cheap in Europe as compare to gas.
2. Adding extra fuel tanks to carry diesel fuel.
3. Installing small wind generator for extra electrical power on boat.
4. As back up source, installing 1000watts solar panels and small diesel
generator.
5. Another idea of using some kind of alteration on my outboard unit to
drive it with electric motor as well as engine. Havn't done the
calculation
yet but I am sure it is possible. With extra onboard electric power I
think
it is possible to use DC motor to drive the propeller shaft atleast for
some
time and then switch over to diesel engine.
6. Another wild idea is to add flying kite thingy to my boat for extra
pull
under good wind situation, here is the link if some of you is not familar
with this thing: http://www.kiteship.com/id2.html
7. I've already installed small sea water to fresh water converting unit,
so
no worries to carry extra water.
8. Getting all the communication equipments like GPS, HF Radio bla bla.

Now the last thing .... what route ? should I use Northern route to cut
down
the long leg in sea like From New York to Halifax, St. John, Greenland,
Iceland, Scottland and then onward.

Or should I go through southern route which most of the sailing boats
normally use, like from Florida to Panamma, Ponta Delgada and Gibraltor
etc.

I know it sounds like a crazy idea but hey peoples are doing it on rowing
boats, why can't I do it.

I am open to suggestions from Folks, Please give me your best shot or any
good advise that help me or warn me of any dangers that I should be aware
off besides normal open sea encounter. Any other thing that I am over
looking here in my preparation ?

What month is better ? Which route is good North or South ?

I sell life insurance. Call me.

-Greg

Atlantic Crossing on small power Boat ?
 

"Dene" dene@(nospam) ipns.com wrote in message
. ..

"Awsome" wrote in message
...
I am thinking of Atlantic crossing for some time in my tiny power boat,
Bayliner 30 footer Aft. bridge. I am doing some changes in boat to get it
ready for this trip.

1. Replacing the Gas engine with diesel cauz diesel gives more milage
plus
its cheap in Europe as compare to gas.
2. Adding extra fuel tanks to carry diesel fuel.
3. Installing small wind generator for extra electrical power on boat.
4. As back up source, installing 1000watts solar panels and small diesel
generator.
5. Another idea of using some kind of alteration on my outboard unit to
drive it with electric motor as well as engine. Havn't done the
calculation
yet but I am sure it is possible. With extra onboard electric power I
think
it is possible to use DC motor to drive the propeller shaft atleast for
some
time and then switch over to diesel engine.
6. Another wild idea is to add flying kite thingy to my boat for extra
pull
under good wind situation, here is the link if some of you is not familar
with this thing: http://www.kiteship.com/id2.html
7. I've already installed small sea water to fresh water converting unit,
so
no worries to carry extra water.
8. Getting all the communication equipments like GPS, HF Radio bla bla.

Now the last thing .... what route ? should I use Northern route to cut
down
the long leg in sea like From New York to Halifax, St. John, Greenland,
Iceland, Scottland and then onward.

Or should I go through southern route which most of the sailing boats
normally use, like from Florida to Panamma, Ponta Delgada and Gibraltor
etc.

I know it sounds like a crazy idea but hey peoples are doing it on rowing
boats, why can't I do it.

I am open to suggestions from Folks, Please give me your best shot or any
good advise that help me or warn me of any dangers that I should be aware
off besides normal open sea encounter. Any other thing that I am over
looking here in my preparation ?

What month is better ? Which route is good North or South ?

I sell life insurance. Call me.

-Greg

I would think that in this case you would pass on selling it to him.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Atlantic Crossing on small power Boat ?
 

"Awsome" writes:

I am thinking of Atlantic crossing for some time in my tiny power boat,
Bayliner 30 footer Aft. bridge.

That makes you a prime candidate for a frontal lobotomy.

Lew

Atlantic Crossing on small power Boat ?
 

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
"Dene" dene@(nospam) ipns.com wrote in message


I sell life insurance. Call me.

-Greg

I would think that in this case you would pass on selling it to him.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Nah....if it moves, I'll write it. ;

-Greg

Atlantic Crossing on small power Boat ?
 

I think it's another case of God gently removing those unwanted genes from
the pool!

"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
.net...

"Awsome" writes:

I am thinking of Atlantic crossing for some time in my tiny power boat,
Bayliner 30 footer Aft. bridge.

That makes you a prime candidate for a frontal lobotomy.

Lew

Atlantic Crossing on small power Boat ?
 

On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 15:53:46 -0500, "G&G" wrote:

Never in a Bayliner. Are you nuts?
G

I don't think you read the post closely. Bayliners line bays as
wrecks, hence the joke, which I deemed a cruel but fair comment.

I don't step aboard these kleenex boxes in Lake Ontario, and so am
unlikely to advocate them offshore.

R.

"rhys" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 14:39:13 -0500, "bowgus" wrote:

There's a reason they're called bay liners :-)

Cruel, but fair.

To the OP: You'd be far better off buying a trawler-style boat with a
large, slow-turning diesel and a high bow to deflect and power through
the inevitable seas you'll hit. The Bayliner is strictly coastal, by
which I mean "in sight of land" in anything other than ideal
conditions.

YMMV, of course.
R.

Atlantic Crossing on small power Boat ?
 

rhys wrote:

I don't think you read the post closely. Bayliners line bays as
wrecks, hence the joke, which I deemed a cruel but fair comment.

I don't step aboard these kleenex boxes in Lake Ontario, and so am
unlikely to advocate them offshore.

You must have very expensive tastes in tissue. Some might find this
Meridian/Bayliner would do them proud for their needs.

http://tinyurl.com/c7yz3

--
Skipper

Atlantic Crossing on small power Boat ?
 

"Skipper" wrote in message
...
You must have very expensive tastes in tissue. Some might find this
Meridian/Bayliner would do them proud for their needs.
http://tinyurl.com/c7yz3
Skipper

I agree some might find the Bayliner OK, but, a lot of others, like me,
would not.

Jim

Atlantic Crossing on small power Boat ?
 

Awsome wrote:

7. I've already installed small sea water to fresh water converting unit, so
no worries to carry extra water.

You should carry more than enough fresh water to cover you for the
whole passage even if you have a watermaker. You don't want to die if
the watermaker, or the electricity needed to run it, fails. You should
also bring a simple rainwater catcher.

Now the last thing .... what route ? should I use Northern route to cut down
the long leg in sea like From New York to Halifax, St. John, Greenland,
Iceland, Scottland and then onward.

Your number one risk is weather, and while I am no expert on the
Atlantic, I believe your risk of heavy weather is much higher in the
north atlantic than the south atlantic.

I know it sounds like a crazy idea but hey peoples are doing it on rowing
boats, why can't I do it.

Two things to remember. Sailboats have tons (literally) of lead in the
keel so that they can resist being turned over, and so they right
themselves if turned over. Your Bayliner is much easier to capsize,
and it won't right itself afterwards. Those "rowboats" that do the
crossing are generally designed so they can be completely sealed up,
top and bottom, in heavy weather, so that if they capsize they don't
sink and right themselves afterwards.

Andy

Atlantic Crossing on small power Boat ?
 

Sell the Bayliner. Get this:
http://www.cruisingworld.com/article...=396&catID=569

Atlantic Crossing on small power Boat ?
 

On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 15:26:50 -0500, rhys wrote:

On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 14:39:13 -0500, "bowgus" wrote:

There's a reason they're called bay liners :-)

Cruel, but fair.

To the OP: You'd be far better off buying a trawler-style boat with a
large, slow-turning diesel and a high bow to deflect and power through
the inevitable seas you'll hit. The Bayliner is strictly coastal, by
which I mean "in sight of land" in anything other than ideal
conditions.

YMMV, of course.
R.

Just out of curiosity, what advice would this group have given to the chap in
about 1948 who crossed the Atlantic in a modified amphibious Jeep? For further
details google "Half Safe" for the story. He made it by the way.

Jan
"If you can't take a joke,you shouldn't have joined"

Atlantic Crossing on small power Boat ?
 

Capt. JG wrote:
"Robert Larder" wrote in message
k...

"Brian Whatcott" skrev i en meddelelse
. ..

On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 12:15:42 -0500, "Awsome"
wrote:


I am thinking of Atlantic crossing for some time in my tiny power boat,
Bayliner 30 footer Aft. bridge.

///

I know it sounds like a crazy idea but hey peoples are doing it on rowing
boats, why can't I do it.

Because the rowing boats used are designed and built for the job, a
Bayliner patently isn`t!
Also the people in them have a clue- Darwin Awards anyone? ;-)

Bob Larder.


There's a way to do it! Convert the bayliner to a submarine.

I don't think any conversion will be needed.

Atlantic Crossing on small power Boat ?
 

sounds deadly to me.....

Atlantic Crossing on small power Boat ?
 

"Gary" wrote in message
news:oGTbf.440758$tl2.137228@pd7tw3no...
Capt. JG wrote:
"Robert Larder" wrote in message
k...

"Brian Whatcott" skrev i en meddelelse
...

On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 12:15:42 -0500, "Awsome"
wrote:


I am thinking of Atlantic crossing for some time in my tiny power boat,
Bayliner 30 footer Aft. bridge.

///

I know it sounds like a crazy idea but hey peoples are doing it on
rowing
boats, why can't I do it.

Because the rowing boats used are designed and built for the job, a
Bayliner patently isn`t!
Also the people in them have a clue- Darwin Awards anyone? ;-)

Bob Larder.


There's a way to do it! Convert the bayliner to a submarine.

I don't think any conversion will be needed.

Well, I was thinking he should do the conversion before he starts out... :-)

Atlantic Crossing on small power Boat ?
 

"Awsome" wrote:

I am thinking of Atlantic crossing for some time in
my tiny power boat, Bayliner 30 footer Aft. bridge.
I am doing some changes in boat to get it ready for
this trip.
...

There's an easier way to do this.

http://www.dockwise.com/?sid=28

What month is better ? Which route is good North or South ?

You can leave Fort Lauderdale this month and be in Europe
next month. For more info contact

Atlantic Crossing on small power Boat ?
 

I like this idea :-)



wrote in message
.net...

"Awsome" wrote:

I am thinking of Atlantic crossing for some time in
my tiny power boat, Bayliner 30 footer Aft. bridge.
I am doing some changes in boat to get it ready for
this trip.
...

There's an easier way to do this.

http://www.dockwise.com/?sid=28

What month is better ? Which route is good North or South ?

You can leave Fort Lauderdale this month and be in Europe
next month. For more info contact

Atlantic Crossing on small power Boat ?
 

In article ,
says...


I like this idea :-)



wrote in message
k.net...

"Awsome" wrote:

I am thinking of Atlantic crossing for some time in
my tiny power boat, Bayliner 30 footer Aft. bridge.
I am doing some changes in boat to get it ready for
this trip.
...

There's an easier way to do this.

http://www.dockwise.com/?sid=28

Indeed. I priced them for carrying my O'Day 37 from Newport, RI, to
France. $7,500. Dirt cheap when you consider provisions, fuel, wear and
tear, hazards of the sea, etc.

Atlantic Crossing on small power Boat ?
 

$7500 is not a bad price, who was your frieghter ?





"Gogarty" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...


I like this idea :-)



wrote in message
nk.net...

"Awsome" wrote:

I am thinking of Atlantic crossing for some time in
my tiny power boat, Bayliner 30 footer Aft. bridge.
I am doing some changes in boat to get it ready for
this trip.
...

There's an easier way to do this.

http://www.dockwise.com/?sid=28

Indeed. I priced them for carrying my O'Day 37 from Newport, RI, to
France. $7,500. Dirt cheap when you consider provisions, fuel, wear and
tear, hazards of the sea, etc.