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I don't think many of us really believe this government has its act
together about much of anything these days, much less disaster
preparedness, and even if it does, it sure wouldn't hurt to have some
options.

Given a worst case scenario, what would you want to have aboard your
boat if you decided to take off and live on it to avoid being infected
if this becomes an issue like it did in 1918?

I'm on Lake Superior, and could find places to hang out for quite a
while thast would not expose us to sources of infection. I could maybe
catch a fish or shoot a grouse or squirrel to supplement our diet. (No,
this would not work from December to April, not where I'm at, anyway.)

Capt. Jeff

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Tamaroak wrote:
I don't think many of us really believe this government has its act
together about much of anything these days, much less disaster
preparedness, and even if it does, it sure wouldn't hurt to have some
options.

Given a worst case scenario, what would you want to have aboard your
boat if you decided to take off and live on it to avoid being infected
if this becomes an issue like it did in 1918?

I'm on Lake Superior, and could find places to hang out for quite a
while thast would not expose us to sources of infection. I could maybe
catch a fish or shoot a grouse or squirrel to supplement our diet.
(No, this would not work from December to April, not where I'm at,
anyway.)

Capt. Jeff

Given that the infection will most likely be passed from human to human if
and when the virus has mutated, a vast amount of food might be one thing to
stock up on. Of course, if it became a fact that humans could catch it from
birds, and given that seagulls and other seabirds can and do land on boats,
by day and at night, I doubt whether you would be much safer at sea unless
the middle of the Southern Ocean beckons you.

Squirrelburgers don't appeal to me, grouse is a bird that could easily be
infected, so that means you shouln't leave without the fishing gear, but if
the pandemic were to last a long time, you might get tired of trout and
salmon.

Guess Mr Heinz will do rather well if more of us take your advice!

Dennis.

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1. a pre-inocculation of "Tamiflu'. plus a current innoculation with
'this years mix' standard flu vaccine.
2. NIOSH rated face masks - large supply
3. Lot of disposable latex gloves
4. Large storage of Clorox .... to wash EVERYTHING that comes onboard
5. Learn NEVER to touch your face, eyes, mouth, etc. without thoroughly
washing your hands ...... touch something that POSSIBLY touched an
infected person, then wash your hands BEFORE you touch your face, pick
your nose, rub your eyes, etc.
6. Immediate change of clothes when after coming into close proximity
with 'others' and coming 'home' ....then washing ones exposed body
parts.
7. Keep healthy, dont let yourself get overly tired, etc. Regular
sleep, etc. to keep your immune system at top performance.

Simple soap and water plus impeccible hygiene will vastly reduce your
risk.



In article , Tamaroak
wrote:

I don't think many of us really believe this government has its act
together about much of anything these days, much less disaster
preparedness, and even if it does, it sure wouldn't hurt to have some
options.

Given a worst case scenario, what would you want to have aboard your
boat if you decided to take off and live on it to avoid being infected
if this becomes an issue like it did in 1918?

I'm on Lake Superior, and could find places to hang out for quite a
while thast would not expose us to sources of infection. I could maybe
catch a fish or shoot a grouse or squirrel to supplement our diet. (No,
this would not work from December to April, not where I'm at, anyway.)

Capt. Jeff

Birdflu Disaster Preparation
 

Tamaroak wrote:
I don't think many of us really believe this government has its act
together about much of anything these days, much less disaster
preparedness, and even if it does, it sure wouldn't hurt to have some
options.

Given a worst case scenario, what would you want to have aboard your
boat if you decided to take off and live on it to avoid being infected
if this becomes an issue like it did in 1918?

I'm on Lake Superior, and could find places to hang out for quite a
while thast would not expose us to sources of infection. I could maybe
catch a fish or shoot a grouse or squirrel to supplement our diet. (No,
this would not work from December to April, not where I'm at, anyway.)

Capt. Jeff

this was a joke, right?
please tell me you aren't really losing sleep over this, yes?

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I'm not losing sleep about it, but am concerned that in a worst case
scenario the government would be incapable of dealing with the massive
problems that would occur. It would be nice to be prepared for this as
an individual, as many in Louisiana would attest. One of the differences
in this type of issue is that one would not want to be housed in a
stadium or other such arrangement with others who could be infected with
the flu. Also, it could involve the entire planet, so you couldn't count
on help from these next state over, like in a hurricane or tornado.
Hospitals will no doubt be overwhelmed. Read about 1918. Things are no
different today other than the problem would be likely to spread much
quicker.

This does not include digging a moat around my house and filling it with
alligators, but might involve having:

-a month's supply of food and water
-communication plans for everyone in the family
-cash, as ATMs could be empty or inoperative
-emergency meeting locations
-disinfectant, masks and gloves
-extra fuel, batteries, a battery powered radio
-a good first aid kit
-an alternative heat source, especially here in Minnesota
-extra blankets, warm clothing
-lanterns, camping gear for cooking
-essential medications

Most importantly, it would involve a plan, including things like filling
the tub with water, a criteria for who else you let in when you're the
only house in the neighborhood that has heat and how you will deal with
those who don't respect your criteria, etc. This has been an interesting
topic for discussion in our house.

We insure our cars and spend a lot of time researching vehicles we buy.
This fits right up there in the priority list, as the consequences of
ignoring this might be at best, very inconvenient and uncomfortable.

These are prudent thoughts for all kinds of emergencies like weather,
terrorist attacks, etc. and don't really involve great expense, except
feeding the alligators in the moat!

Capt. Jeff

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I have placed aluminium foil over all the windows of the house and put and
Ardvark shell hat on my head.. What now- garlic around my neck?


DP

"Tamaroak" wrote in message
. ..
I don't think many of us really believe this government has its act
together about much of anything these days, much less disaster
preparedness, and even if it does, it sure wouldn't hurt to have some
options.

Given a worst case scenario, what would you want to have aboard your boat
if you decided to take off and live on it to avoid being infected if this
becomes an issue like it did in 1918?

I'm on Lake Superior, and could find places to hang out for quite a while
thast would not expose us to sources of infection. I could maybe catch a
fish or shoot a grouse or squirrel to supplement our diet. (No, this would
not work from December to April, not where I'm at, anyway.)

Capt. Jeff

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d parker wrote:
I have placed aluminium foil over all the windows of the house and put and
Ardvark shell hat on my head.. What now- garlic around my neck?

naw, won't do just covering the windows
you need industrial strength protection

http://www.zapatopi.net/afdb

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"prodigal1" wrote in message
...
d parker wrote:
I have placed aluminium foil over all the windows of the house and put
and Ardvark shell hat on my head.. What now- garlic around my neck?

naw, won't do just covering the windows
you need industrial strength protection

http://www.zapatopi.net/afdb

Ahhha! I have ordered several. That will keep the spying Govenment and
their alien friends from taking control of my mind again. No more sexual
experimentation on my anus from them! Bwaahaahaaahaahhaahha..

DP

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"prodigal1" wrote in message
...
d parker wrote:
I have placed aluminium foil over all the windows of the house and put
and Ardvark shell hat on my head.. What now- garlic around my neck?

naw, won't do just covering the windows
you need industrial strength protection

http://www.zapatopi.net/afdb

Ahhha! I have ordered several. That will keep the spying Govenment and
their alien friends from taking control of my mind again. No more sexual
experimentation on my anus from them! Bwaahaahaaahaahhaahha..

DP

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What I find it helpful in protecting myself from the current Weapon of Mass
Distraction is to change the channel to more reality based programming like
Cartoon Network, or flip around until I find professional wrestling.
Last night one of our local station was advertising news to be shown the
next day. Is it really news if you wait a day to broadcast?
Last I heard there were 120 dead from the bird flu, I'll bet we have more
homeless die in DC this winter than that.
How many die each year from the regular, constantly changing flu varieties?
How many of the victims were very young, very old, or were compromised by
other health problems?
MMC

"prodigal1" wrote in message
.. .
Tamaroak wrote:
I don't think many of us really believe this government has its act
together about much of anything these days, much less disaster
preparedness, and even if it does, it sure wouldn't hurt to have some
options.

Given a worst case scenario, what would you want to have aboard your
boat if you decided to take off and live on it to avoid being infected
if this becomes an issue like it did in 1918?

I'm on Lake Superior, and could find places to hang out for quite a
while thast would not expose us to sources of infection. I could maybe
catch a fish or shoot a grouse or squirrel to supplement our diet. (No,
this would not work from December to April, not where I'm at, anyway.)

Capt. Jeff

this was a joke, right?
please tell me you aren't really losing sleep over this, yes?

Birdflu Disaster Preparation
 

or from top posting.. there are so many ways to die that a mere flu
epi-pan-demic is minimal..

DP
"MMC" wrote in message
m...
What I find it helpful in protecting myself from the current Weapon of
Mass
Distraction is to change the channel to more reality based programming
like
Cartoon Network, or flip around until I find professional wrestling.
Last night one of our local station was advertising news to be shown the
next day. Is it really news if you wait a day to broadcast?
Last I heard there were 120 dead from the bird flu, I'll bet we have more
homeless die in DC this winter than that.
How many die each year from the regular, constantly changing flu
varieties?
How many of the victims were very young, very old, or were compromised by
other health problems?
MMC

"prodigal1" wrote in message
.. .
Tamaroak wrote:
I don't think many of us really believe this government has its act
together about much of anything these days, much less disaster
preparedness, and even if it does, it sure wouldn't hurt to have some
options.

Given a worst case scenario, what would you want to have aboard your
boat if you decided to take off and live on it to avoid being infected
if this becomes an issue like it did in 1918?

I'm on Lake Superior, and could find places to hang out for quite a
while thast would not expose us to sources of infection. I could maybe
catch a fish or shoot a grouse or squirrel to supplement our diet. (No,
this would not work from December to April, not where I'm at, anyway.)

Capt. Jeff

this was a joke, right?
please tell me you aren't really losing sleep over this, yes?

Birdflu Disaster Preparation
 

Read about 1918. Things are no different today except the speed of
transmission would be much faster. Losses in the US might be 2 - 20
million. I'm hoping none will be from my family and am taking some
minimal steps to reduce my exposure. None will be expensive.

Capt. Jeff

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"MMC" wrote in message
m...
What I find it helpful in protecting myself from the current Weapon of
Mass
Distraction is to change the channel to more reality based programming
like
Cartoon Network, or flip around until I find professional wrestling.
Last night one of our local station was advertising news to be shown the
next day. Is it really news if you wait a day to broadcast?
Last I heard there were 120 dead from the bird flu, I'll bet we have more
homeless die in DC this winter than that.
How many die each year from the regular, constantly changing flu
varieties?
How many of the victims were very young, very old, or were compromised by
other health problems?
MMC

"prodigal1" wrote in message
.. .
Tamaroak wrote:
I don't think many of us really believe this government has its act
together about much of anything these days, much less disaster
preparedness, and even if it does, it sure wouldn't hurt to have some
options.

Given a worst case scenario, what would you want to have aboard your
boat if you decided to take off and live on it to avoid being infected
if this becomes an issue like it did in 1918?

I'm on Lake Superior, and could find places to hang out for quite a
while thast would not expose us to sources of infection. I could maybe
catch a fish or shoot a grouse or squirrel to supplement our diet. (No,
this would not work from December to April, not where I'm at, anyway.)

Capt. Jeff

this was a joke, right?
please tell me you aren't really losing sleep over this, yes?



Last I heard there were 120 dead from the bird flu, I'll bet we have more
homeless die in DC this winter than that.
How many die each year from the regular, constantly changing flu varieties?
How many of the victims were very young, very old, or were compromised by
other health problems?

Current stats show a 50% fatality rate. Those are not very good odds. Its
either you or your wife. As for the health condition of those who have
died, they were a mix of average people.

I don't know about heading off on a longterm cruise but if it hits I'm sure
gonna take lots of precautions.

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Tamaroak wrote:
Read about 1918. Things are no different today except the speed of
transmission would be much faster. Losses in the US might be 2 - 20
million. I'm hoping none will be from my family and am taking some
minimal steps to reduce my exposure. None will be expensive.

Capt. Jeff

Cap'n Jeff, I hope you don't think I'm mocking you too hard. You're
correct about the 1918 epidemic and the odds are something like this
will happen again. I'm trying to be of Zen mind about things like this.
Frequently it happens that despite all of our planning and
contingencies, things that we can't control happen to us and sometimes
those are _bad_ things. Enjoy today without worry or fear. And in a
quiet moment of peaceful contemplation ask yourself why there seem to be
_so_many_things_ to be fearful of. Qui bono?

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On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 20:10:24 -0500, prodigal1 wrote:

Tamaroak wrote:
Read about 1918. Things are no different today except the speed of
transmission would be much faster. Losses in the US might be 2 - 20
million. I'm hoping none will be from my family and am taking some
minimal steps to reduce my exposure. None will be expensive.

Capt. Jeff

Cap'n Jeff, I hope you don't think I'm mocking you too hard. You're
correct about the 1918 epidemic and the odds are something like this
will happen again. I'm trying to be of Zen mind about things like this.
Frequently it happens that despite all of our planning and
contingencies, things that we can't control happen to us and sometimes
those are _bad_ things. Enjoy today without worry or fear. And in a
quiet moment of peaceful contemplation ask yourself why there seem to be
_so_many_things_ to be fearful of. Qui bono?

Exactly. And ask yourself who is behind the avian flu fear epidemic -
none other than the UNO's World Health Organization. This is the same
WHO that declared 10 years ago that its aim was to roll back malaria.
Result, ten years later, is that deaths from malaria have doubled. And
the most significant force working against malaria seems to be the
Bill Gates Foundation. This is the same WHO that two years ago
developed plans and procedures for dealing with a pandemic - if your
only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail; if your only
tool is procedures for a pandemic, every disease looks like a
pandemic. The WHO has no credibility.

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Bil wrote:
snip
thanks Bil.
those damn World Health Organization people!!!
who knew????

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I purchase car insurance for about $1000 annually to get $500,000 in
liability protection and from losing vehicles worth $20,000. If I didn't
have the insurance and lost the vehicles and/or had to pay a bunch of
money because I disobeyed some traffic law I could afford it. The
likelihood of this happening has to be somewhere way less than 5%
because I don't drink and drive.

I plan to spend about $250 and pull $400 out of savings to help protect
myself and my family from losing their lives should this pandemic occur.
Do the math associated with a cost/benefit analysis, assigning a value
of $1,000,000 per life X 5 and a likelihood of 10% of the event occuring
with even a 10% chance of loss of life and you'll see this makes a whole
lot more sense than buying car insurance.

And our presidummy in Washington and his handpicked minions couldn't
even prepare for a hurricane knowing full well it was coming to a tiny
portion of the US and knowing just exactly what hurricanes do, having
seen them since the 1600's. Imagine what will happen if we have a
massive health crisis where so many more people have to be contained,
fed, clothed, hospitalized, etc. with most of our national guard in Iraq.

I'll be looking out for myself, thank you, and those with more than half
a brain will be doing the same.

Capt. Jeff

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"Gordon Wedman" wrote in message
news:YZQbf.110046$ir4.44853@edtnps90...

Snip

Current stats show a 50% fatality rate. Those are not very good odds.
Its either you or your wife.

hope its her!

DP

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Killer Bees.........Y2K.............Bird flu..........

Your more likely to become a victim of modern day Mccartheism in the US
crusing the waterways. No joke.