No lifejackets on Maine MOB vessel
 

According to the paper this morning, the crew discovered at sea that
all the lifejackets were gone. They were presumably pilfered.
Prefloats are not part of the boating culture the way preflights are
in aviation. This is a good example of why they should be.

The lack of communication from the son was also reported to be because
of low batteries. Sea and wind conditions were pretty gnarly and we
all know how much more likely engine problems are in rough conditions.
A charging problem might easily go undetected on a shorthanded boat in
this weather.

An emergency battery that can be easily switched into the radio
circuit is something I'm going to install. It may be a dry cell set
that won't self discharge and can be completely isolated from the rest
of the system. With our little diesel, it might even start the engine
in a pinch.

This accident is starting to sound a lot like many aviation accidents,
experienced pilot, challenging weather, high work load. A couple of
not immediately critical items (lifejackets, charging problem?) get
over looked and things snowball.

--

Roger Long

No lifejackets on Maine MOB vessel
 

pre/post floats are the norm for every coastguard operation i've seen,
and having been involved in it its also something i do on my own boat.
I dont actually have a checklist with numbers on it, but i've got a
steady routine i go through with my boat. Checking the bungs, fuel
levels, rigging and sails is about it. Im the only person to use the
boat so i dont frequently go through all the items in storage, but i do
remove them all and check them about once every other month. More to
be able to remember what there is than anything else i guess.

As far as the batteries go... you can easily add an extra battery to
your existing one but put an isolator on it. This acts like a one way
switch, the battery can be charged by the charging system
automatically, but if the voltage in the system drops the battery will
be disconnected.

No lifejackets on Maine MOB vessel
 

A true emergency battery should be as far above the waterline as
possible. While an isolated battery such as you describe would be
perfectly acceptable, I think there is a lot to be said in simplicity
for a dry cell set. Anything you charge may vent, overcharge, self
discharge, sulfate, etc. Dry cells replaced at proper intervals would
be very reliable and give you more flexibility to locate them above
the radio so you can be transmitting up to the last minute.

I don't know myself which way I will go but it's food for thought.

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Roger Long

No lifejackets on Maine MOB vessel
 

Roger,
What accident are you reffering to? All we are getting on the news down here
in sunny FL is hurricane doom and gloom.
MMC
"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
According to the paper this morning, the crew discovered at sea that
all the lifejackets were gone. They were presumably pilfered.
Prefloats are not part of the boating culture the way preflights are
in aviation. This is a good example of why they should be.

The lack of communication from the son was also reported to be because
of low batteries. Sea and wind conditions were pretty gnarly and we
all know how much more likely engine problems are in rough conditions.
A charging problem might easily go undetected on a shorthanded boat in
this weather.

An emergency battery that can be easily switched into the radio
circuit is something I'm going to install. It may be a dry cell set
that won't self discharge and can be completely isolated from the rest
of the system. With our little diesel, it might even start the engine
in a pinch.

This accident is starting to sound a lot like many aviation accidents,
experienced pilot, challenging weather, high work load. A couple of
not immediately critical items (lifejackets, charging problem?) get
over looked and things snowball.

--

Roger Long

No lifejackets on Maine MOB vessel
 

Never mind, I now see your earlier post.
"MMC" wrote in message
m...
Roger,
What accident are you reffering to? All we are getting on the news down
here
in sunny FL is hurricane doom and gloom.
MMC
"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
According to the paper this morning, the crew discovered at sea that
all the lifejackets were gone. They were presumably pilfered.
Prefloats are not part of the boating culture the way preflights are
in aviation. This is a good example of why they should be.

The lack of communication from the son was also reported to be because
of low batteries. Sea and wind conditions were pretty gnarly and we
all know how much more likely engine problems are in rough conditions.
A charging problem might easily go undetected on a shorthanded boat in
this weather.

An emergency battery that can be easily switched into the radio
circuit is something I'm going to install. It may be a dry cell set
that won't self discharge and can be completely isolated from the rest
of the system. With our little diesel, it might even start the engine
in a pinch.

This accident is starting to sound a lot like many aviation accidents,
experienced pilot, challenging weather, high work load. A couple of
not immediately critical items (lifejackets, charging problem?) get
over looked and things snowball.

--

Roger Long

No lifejackets on Maine MOB vessel
 

What about those self contained jump start things? Handle on top, cables,
one's I've seen are yellow.
I've thought about using one with a trolling motor for dinghy propulsion.
MMC
"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
According to the paper this morning, the crew discovered at sea that
all the lifejackets were gone. They were presumably pilfered.
Prefloats are not part of the boating culture the way preflights are
in aviation. This is a good example of why they should be.

The lack of communication from the son was also reported to be because
of low batteries. Sea and wind conditions were pretty gnarly and we
all know how much more likely engine problems are in rough conditions.
A charging problem might easily go undetected on a shorthanded boat in
this weather.

An emergency battery that can be easily switched into the radio
circuit is something I'm going to install. It may be a dry cell set
that won't self discharge and can be completely isolated from the rest
of the system. With our little diesel, it might even start the engine
in a pinch.

This accident is starting to sound a lot like many aviation accidents,
experienced pilot, challenging weather, high work load. A couple of
not immediately critical items (lifejackets, charging problem?) get
over looked and things snowball.

--

Roger Long

No lifejackets on Maine MOB vessel
 

"Roger Long" wrote:

According to the paper this morning, the crew discovered at sea that
all the lifejackets were gone. They were presumably pilfered.
Prefloats are not part of the boating culture the way preflights are
in aviation. This is a good example of why they should be.

Also if they had the habit of WEARING the life jackets when underway,
they would have discovered it before they left.

The lack of communication from the son was also reported to be because
of low batteries. Sea and wind conditions were pretty gnarly and we
all know how much more likely engine problems are in rough conditions.
A charging problem might easily go undetected on a shorthanded boat in
this weather.

An emergency battery that can be easily switched into the radio
circuit is something I'm going to install. It may be a dry cell set
that won't self discharge and can be completely isolated from the rest
of the system. With our little diesel, it might even start the engine
in a pinch.

This accident is starting to sound a lot like many aviation accidents,
experienced pilot, challenging weather, high work load. A couple of
not immediately critical items (lifejackets, charging problem?) get
over looked and things snowball.


grandma Rosalie

No lifejackets on Maine MOB vessel
 

What would a lifejacket have done?

"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
According to the paper this morning, the crew discovered at sea that all
the lifejackets were gone. They were presumably pilfered. Prefloats are
not part of the boating culture the way preflights are in aviation. This
is a good example of why they should be.

The lack of communication from the son was also reported to be because of
low batteries. Sea and wind conditions were pretty gnarly and we all know
how much more likely engine problems are in rough conditions.
A charging problem might easily go undetected on a shorthanded boat in
this weather.

An emergency battery that can be easily switched into the radio circuit is
something I'm going to install. It may be a dry cell set that won't self
discharge and can be completely isolated from the rest of the system.
With our little diesel, it might even start the engine in a pinch.

This accident is starting to sound a lot like many aviation accidents,
experienced pilot, challenging weather, high work load. A couple of not
immediately critical items (lifejackets, charging problem?) get over
looked and things snowball.

--

Roger Long

No lifejackets on Maine MOB vessel
 

"barry lawson" wrote in message
...
What would a lifejacket have done?

Good point. In this case, nothing. The poor kid couldn't even use
the radios to call for help so it's pretty unlikely that he could have
maneuvered a 41 foot sailboat in 30 plus mph winds back to pick up
anyone.

--

Roger Long

No lifejackets on Maine MOB vessel
 

"barry lawson" wrote in message
...
What would a lifejacket have done?
If he had a life jacket with a harness and the harness was clipped to the
life lines, he would not have been lost over the side. Most people that I
know use the safety harness and life jackets when they are off shore. I
always wear the Mustang SOS inflatable life jacket when I am on the Great
Lakes.
Jim

No lifejackets on Maine MOB vessel
 

Er, ummm... it's not a good idea to clip yourself to lifelines. You should
use jacklines. They're designed for that. Lifelines aren't.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Jim Carter" wrote in message
.. .

"barry lawson" wrote in message
...
What would a lifejacket have done?
If he had a life jacket with a harness and the harness was clipped to the
life lines, he would not have been lost over the side. Most people that
I
know use the safety harness and life jackets when they are off shore. I
always wear the Mustang SOS inflatable life jacket when I am on the Great
Lakes.
Jim

No lifejackets on Maine MOB vessel
 

Captain Joe Redcloud wrote:

On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 19:10:23 -0400, "Jim Carter" wrote:


"barry lawson" wrote in message
. au...
What would a lifejacket have done?
If he had a life jacket with a harness and the harness was clipped to the
life lines, he would not have been lost over the side. Most people that I
know use the safety harness and life jackets when they are off shore. I
always wear the Mustang SOS inflatable life jacket when I am on the Great
Lakes.


Yikes! Bad idea - really. You need proper jacklines that prevent you from going
past the lifelines. Clipping onto the life lines won't keep you onboard.

He probably meant jacklines and it just came out lifelines.

In bad conditions, I also heartily recommend that you wear a foam vest rather
than an inflatable. Many sailors are disabled when they fall on deck or against
something. The foam jacket protects your ribs and back somewhat. I wear an

We sail mostly in hot weather, so we prefer the inflatable vests as
they are cooler. We also don't go onto the foredeck - certainly not
in weather where falling is possible. If we should be going out
there, we would be clipped onto the jacklines and also we would be
holding onto whatever was available to hold onto.

I haven't fallen on the deck in any way where any kind of life vest
would have helped. My husband slipped and fell down the companionway
and landed on his shoulder and dislocated it, but the boat was tied to
the dock at the time. I've tripped over a line that he tied across
the finger pier (because of nowhere else to put it) and fell, but I
fell to my knees.

We did have a friend fall and a foam jacket might have helped him, but
he shouldn't have fallen - he was trying to jump from our boat to a
boat we were going to raft on, and slipped and missed and fell on his
side on the rail of the other boat. He was lucky he wasn't crushed
between the two boats. Even after that, we had to keep telling him
not to jump. We don't jump from our boat.

His SO also fell, but that was my fault and she fell in the cabin and
hit her head, so no life jacket would have helped. (I ran aground)

inflatable only in mild conditions. In fog or limited visibily, everyone wears a
foam PFD and clips on. That's even with no wind and flat water. If you get hit
by another boat in fog, rain, or dark, you'll instantly understand why that's so
important.

I recently saw an interesting idea that I intend to check out. It was suggested
that when working on the bow in bad conditions, and additional attachment to a
spare halyard would pretty much guarantee that you stay on the boat. Probably
not very workable when single handing, since you need a crew person to play the
halyard as you move around. Still worth investigating...


Captain Joe Redcloud


grandma Rosalie

No lifejackets on Maine MOB vessel
 

On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 11:44:32 GMT, "Roger Long"
wrote:


An emergency battery that can be easily switched into the radio
circuit is something I'm going to install. It may be a dry cell set
that won't self discharge and can be completely isolated from the rest
of the system. With our little diesel, it might even start the engine
in a pinch.

I have one of those Canadian Tire emergency batteries on board. It
includes 12 v outlets, a small inverter and battery cables for exactly
one serious boost. There are "nautical" versions that even have nav
lights G.

R.

No lifejackets on Maine MOB vessel
 

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Er, ummm... it's not a good idea to clip yourself to lifelines. You should
use jacklines. They're designed for that. Lifelines aren't.
Sorry Capt. JG, It's my bad terminology. I did mean to say Jackline not
Lifeline.

Jim

No lifejackets on Maine MOB vessel
 

"Jim Carter" wrote in message
.. .

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Er, ummm... it's not a good idea to clip yourself to lifelines. You
should
use jacklines. They're designed for that. Lifelines aren't.
Sorry Capt. JG, It's my bad terminology. I did mean to say Jackline not
Lifeline.

Jim

I figured as much... :-)

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com