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Boat is 15 Tons (43 feet). Anchor is 33#. Rated for a 53' to 65' boat.

Seems light to me, aluminum I assume? My old boat was 11 tons and I
was using a 44 lb Spade. Only problem setting that I ever had was in
really soft, silt like mud. Lots of scope and a bit of settling time
fixed that one.

Presently I'm using a 120 lb Spade (30 ton boat fully loaded) which I
used to replace a 60 lb Bruce. The Bruce always set and held very well
but I was concerned about its reputation for slipping under heavy load.
The pre-purchase surveyor that I used said that he regarded the 60 lb
Bruce as a bare minimum. and not suitable as a storm anchor.

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Boat is 15 Tons (43 feet). Anchor is 33#. Rated for a 53' to 65' boat.

Seems light to me, aluminum I assume? My old boat was 11 tons and I
was using a 44 lb Spade. Only problem setting that I ever had was in
really soft, silt like mud. Lots of scope and a bit of settling time
fixed that one.

It rated for a boat far larger than ours. That's my rule-of-thumb. Take what
the manufacturer recommends and go one or two sizes larger. It has worked
very well in mud, no problems whatsoever, as good as my 66# Bruce.

Presently I'm using a 120 lb Spade (30 ton boat fully loaded) which I
used to replace a 60 lb Bruce. The Bruce always set and held very well
but I was concerned about its reputation for slipping under heavy load.

Never heard that reputation. I've used the Bruce in some pretty nasty
conditions and never had it slip.

The pre-purchase surveyor that I used said that he regarded the 60 lb
Bruce as a bare minimum. and not suitable as a storm anchor.

It's not normally considered as a storm anchor. The Fortress seems to be
well regarded for this purpose.

Doug
s/v Callista

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Doug Dotson wrote:
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Doug, forgot to ask some of the key questions:

What is the weight of your boat vs anchor weight?


Boat is 15 Tons (43 feet). Anchor is 33#. Rated for a 53' to 65' boat.


What scope ratio were you using and length/type of chain?


100' all chain in 10 feet of water. Anchor just laid on its side and
dragged.
45# CQR set just fine after giving up on the Spade.


All anchors will find conditions that they don't like to set
in.

Heavy grass or kelp is difficult with most anchors except
fisherman type.

It sounds like you're pretty unhappy with your anchor. If
it's the 33# aluminum model I would be happy to take it off
your hands for $500 + shipping!

Evan Gatehouse

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Grass over sand? try a bullwagga, its what it was designed for, weeds n
grass.

Calling a spade a Spade (was about chain)
 

I found my Spade likes to set for a while before I do anything else with
it. It works better in grass than the Bruce, in my opinion.

I like it enough that I'm trying to trade my shiny new 35# stainless CQR
for a Spade A100 for my 27000# trawler. Anyone want to buy it?

Capt. Jeff

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"Tamaroak" wrote in message
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I found my Spade likes to set for a while before I do anything else with
it. It works better in grass than the Bruce, in my opinion.

The Spade is advertised to work in grass. The Bruce isn't.
The Spade just lays on its side and drags over the grass. Even when I
dived on it and stuck it into the bottom, it just flopped over and dragged.

I like it enough that I'm trying to trade my shiny new 35# stainless CQR
for a Spade A100 for my 27000# trawler. Anyone want to buy it?

35# CQR sounds undersized for a boat that heavy. No wonder you are not happy
with it.

Capt. Jeff

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"Evan Gatehouse" wrote in message
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Doug Dotson wrote:
wrote in message
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Doug, forgot to ask some of the key questions:

What is the weight of your boat vs anchor weight?


Boat is 15 Tons (43 feet). Anchor is 33#. Rated for a 53' to 65' boat.


What scope ratio were you using and length/type of chain?


100' all chain in 10 feet of water. Anchor just laid on its side and
dragged.
45# CQR set just fine after giving up on the Spade.


All anchors will find conditions that they don't like to set in.

Heavy grass or kelp is difficult with most anchors except fisherman type.

It sounds like you're pretty unhappy with your anchor. If it's the 33#
aluminum model I would be happy to take it off your hands for $500 +
shipping!

Evan Gatehouse

Send me a private email.

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"Skip Gundlach" wrote:

I'm in web hell, dialup neighborhood, so posting through google, and
unable to respond (quirk of the system) to Glenn's post on the subject
but since I'm changing the subject anyway, here I am outside that
thread :{))

Glenn, you have me drooling - but with any luck, we'll be out at sea by
that time.

What's the likelihood of larger ones - our boat is 35k# - later?

Thanks, and have a good time in the BVI!

L8R

We have a superMax which is sort of like a spade only with a claw type
thing on it instead of a spade type thing. Ours is #55 for a #37k
boat (about 48 feet)

The boat came with a 35# CQR, a Danforth, a wishbone and a little dink
anchor. We sold the wishbone and traded the 35# CQR for a 45# one.
We have all chain rode.

We have never used the other anchors - only the SuperMax. The only
time we've had trouble is when the ground was rocky or when it was
scoured. It's super in mud.

Bob said he had read that the trawler group did some tests on the
spade and couldn't get it to set very well, so that's why he didn't
buy it.


grandma Rosalie

S/V RosalieAnn, Leonardtown, MD
CSY 44 WO #156
http://home.mindspring.com/~gmbeasley/id1.html

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Why the A100 ? Weight rules when it's time to set quickly.

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Why the A100 ? Weight rules when it's time to set quickly.

I agree. But Spade apparently does not.