Calling a spade a Spade (was about chain)
 

I'm in web hell, dialup neighborhood, so posting through google, and
unable to respond (quirk of the system) to Glenn's post on the subject
but since I'm changing the subject anyway, here I am outside that
thread :{))

Glenn, you have me drooling - but with any luck, we'll be out at sea by
that time.

What's the likelihood of larger ones - our boat is 35k# - later?

Thanks, and have a good time in the BVI!

L8R

Skip, itching to go

Calling a spade a Spade (was about chain)
 

In my opinion: spades a great anchor but its heavily hyped, the company
knows how to promote and push push push it into the hands of the
magazines and boating stores.
its fun when a new product comes out, remember slick 50? everyone
wants it. well spade has issues in alot of bottom conditions, think
hard before you buy all the hype.
ever wonder why they came out with the oceane? it was built to a cost
line for mass markieting. its a sucky anchor in my opinion.

Calling a spade a Spade (was about chain)
 

Meye5 wrote:

its fun when a new product comes out, remember slick 50?


Is that stuff still around?

Lew

Calling a spade a Spade (was about chain)
 

Have you actually tried a Spade anchor yourself? I'm swinging a 60,000
lb trawler on one right now as we speak, in 20 kt winds and marginal
bottom conditions. Had one on my old boat and liked it so well that I
bought another one for the GB49.

No one anchor is perfect for all conditions but the Spade is the best
overall that I've ever used, and I've tried just about all of them at
one time or another.

Just a satisfied (repeat) customer.

Calling a spade a Spade (was about chain)
 

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Have you actually tried a Spade anchor yourself? I'm swinging a 60,000
lb trawler on one right now as we speak, in 20 kt winds and marginal
bottom conditions. Had one on my old boat and liked it so well that I
bought another one for the GB49.

No one anchor is perfect for all conditions but the Spade is the best
overall that I've ever used, and I've tried just about all of them at
one time or another.

Just a satisfied (repeat) customer.

I have one and have found it no better than my Bruce or CQR. Works
poorly in grass over sand which is what I bought it for (Bahamas). Neither
the manufacturer nor distributor have offered any advice, help or made
any attempt to resolve the problem.

Doug
s/v Callista

Calling a spade a Spade (was about chain)
 

Heavy grass is tough stuff to anchor in. Have you talked to Glenn A?

Calling a spade a Spade (was about chain)
 

Doug, forgot to ask some of the key questions:

What is the weight of your boat vs anchor weight?

What scope ratio were you using and length/type of chain?

Calling a spade a Spade (was about chain)
 

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Heavy grass is tough stuff to anchor in. Have you talked to Glenn A?

CQR works fine.

Calling a spade a Spade (was about chain)
 

wrote in message
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Doug, forgot to ask some of the key questions:

What is the weight of your boat vs anchor weight?

Boat is 15 Tons (43 feet). Anchor is 33#. Rated for a 53' to 65' boat.

What scope ratio were you using and length/type of chain?

100' all chain in 10 feet of water. Anchor just laid on its side and
dragged.
45# CQR set just fine after giving up on the Spade.

Calling a spade a Spade (was about chain)
 

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Heavy grass is tough stuff to anchor in. Have you talked to Glenn A?

Grass wasn't especially heavy.

Calling a spade a Spade (was about chain)
 

Boat is 15 Tons (43 feet). Anchor is 33#. Rated for a 53' to 65' boat.

Seems light to me, aluminum I assume? My old boat was 11 tons and I
was using a 44 lb Spade. Only problem setting that I ever had was in
really soft, silt like mud. Lots of scope and a bit of settling time
fixed that one.

Presently I'm using a 120 lb Spade (30 ton boat fully loaded) which I
used to replace a 60 lb Bruce. The Bruce always set and held very well
but I was concerned about its reputation for slipping under heavy load.
The pre-purchase surveyor that I used said that he regarded the 60 lb
Bruce as a bare minimum. and not suitable as a storm anchor.

Calling a spade a Spade (was about chain)
 

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Boat is 15 Tons (43 feet). Anchor is 33#. Rated for a 53' to 65' boat.

Seems light to me, aluminum I assume? My old boat was 11 tons and I
was using a 44 lb Spade. Only problem setting that I ever had was in
really soft, silt like mud. Lots of scope and a bit of settling time
fixed that one.

It rated for a boat far larger than ours. That's my rule-of-thumb. Take what
the manufacturer recommends and go one or two sizes larger. It has worked
very well in mud, no problems whatsoever, as good as my 66# Bruce.

Presently I'm using a 120 lb Spade (30 ton boat fully loaded) which I
used to replace a 60 lb Bruce. The Bruce always set and held very well
but I was concerned about its reputation for slipping under heavy load.

Never heard that reputation. I've used the Bruce in some pretty nasty
conditions and never had it slip.

The pre-purchase surveyor that I used said that he regarded the 60 lb
Bruce as a bare minimum. and not suitable as a storm anchor.

It's not normally considered as a storm anchor. The Fortress seems to be
well regarded for this purpose.

Doug
s/v Callista

Calling a spade a Spade (was about chain)
 

Doug Dotson wrote:
wrote in message
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Doug, forgot to ask some of the key questions:

What is the weight of your boat vs anchor weight?


Boat is 15 Tons (43 feet). Anchor is 33#. Rated for a 53' to 65' boat.


What scope ratio were you using and length/type of chain?


100' all chain in 10 feet of water. Anchor just laid on its side and
dragged.
45# CQR set just fine after giving up on the Spade.


All anchors will find conditions that they don't like to set
in.

Heavy grass or kelp is difficult with most anchors except
fisherman type.

It sounds like you're pretty unhappy with your anchor. If
it's the 33# aluminum model I would be happy to take it off
your hands for $500 + shipping!

Evan Gatehouse

Calling a spade a Spade (was about chain)
 

Grass over sand? try a bullwagga, its what it was designed for, weeds n
grass.

Calling a spade a Spade (was about chain)
 

I found my Spade likes to set for a while before I do anything else with
it. It works better in grass than the Bruce, in my opinion.

I like it enough that I'm trying to trade my shiny new 35# stainless CQR
for a Spade A100 for my 27000# trawler. Anyone want to buy it?

Capt. Jeff

Calling a spade a Spade (was about chain)
 

"Tamaroak" wrote in message
...
I found my Spade likes to set for a while before I do anything else with
it. It works better in grass than the Bruce, in my opinion.

The Spade is advertised to work in grass. The Bruce isn't.
The Spade just lays on its side and drags over the grass. Even when I
dived on it and stuck it into the bottom, it just flopped over and dragged.

I like it enough that I'm trying to trade my shiny new 35# stainless CQR
for a Spade A100 for my 27000# trawler. Anyone want to buy it?

35# CQR sounds undersized for a boat that heavy. No wonder you are not happy
with it.

Capt. Jeff

Calling a spade a Spade (was about chain)
 

"Evan Gatehouse" wrote in message
...
Doug Dotson wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...

Doug, forgot to ask some of the key questions:

What is the weight of your boat vs anchor weight?


Boat is 15 Tons (43 feet). Anchor is 33#. Rated for a 53' to 65' boat.


What scope ratio were you using and length/type of chain?


100' all chain in 10 feet of water. Anchor just laid on its side and
dragged.
45# CQR set just fine after giving up on the Spade.


All anchors will find conditions that they don't like to set in.

Heavy grass or kelp is difficult with most anchors except fisherman type.

It sounds like you're pretty unhappy with your anchor. If it's the 33#
aluminum model I would be happy to take it off your hands for $500 +
shipping!

Evan Gatehouse

Send me a private email.

Calling a spade a Spade (was about chain)
 

"Skip Gundlach" wrote:

I'm in web hell, dialup neighborhood, so posting through google, and
unable to respond (quirk of the system) to Glenn's post on the subject
but since I'm changing the subject anyway, here I am outside that
thread :{))

Glenn, you have me drooling - but with any luck, we'll be out at sea by
that time.

What's the likelihood of larger ones - our boat is 35k# - later?

Thanks, and have a good time in the BVI!

L8R

We have a superMax which is sort of like a spade only with a claw type
thing on it instead of a spade type thing. Ours is #55 for a #37k
boat (about 48 feet)

The boat came with a 35# CQR, a Danforth, a wishbone and a little dink
anchor. We sold the wishbone and traded the 35# CQR for a 45# one.
We have all chain rode.

We have never used the other anchors - only the SuperMax. The only
time we've had trouble is when the ground was rocky or when it was
scoured. It's super in mud.

Bob said he had read that the trawler group did some tests on the
spade and couldn't get it to set very well, so that's why he didn't
buy it.


grandma Rosalie

S/V RosalieAnn, Leonardtown, MD
CSY 44 WO #156
http://home.mindspring.com/~gmbeasley/id1.html

Calling a spade a Spade (was about chain)
 

Why the A100 ? Weight rules when it's time to set quickly.

Calling a spade a Spade (was about chain)
 

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Why the A100 ? Weight rules when it's time to set quickly.

I agree. But Spade apparently does not.

Calling a spade a Spade (was about chain)
 

curious how the spade doesnt do so well in anchor tests in weeds and
soft mud. i wonder why therre is so much hub bub about this god dam
anchor.

Calling a spade a Spade (was about chain)
 

Actually I have no real complaint about the 35# CQR other than I prefer
the SPADE and want to swap for one. The A100 is rated for up to 52'
boats and i'm always in sand on Lake Superior. I have never dragged and
have a Fortress and Gaurdian for storm, although I'm not wild about them
because they don't seem to want to reset as well when the wind/tide changes.

Also, I like the lighter weight because it's easier on the windlass when
I use it and i can pull it up fairly easily by hand if I want. And my
Monk is bow heavy with a genset and any pounds I can take of that end of
the boat is an improvement.

So my stainless 35# CQR is still for sale.

Capt. Jeff

Calling a spade a Spade (was about chain)
 

"Tamaroak" wrote in message
...
Actually I have no real complaint about the 35# CQR other than I prefer
the SPADE and want to swap for one. The A100 is rated for up to 52' boats
and i'm always in sand on Lake Superior. I have never dragged and have a
Fortress and Gaurdian for storm, although I'm not wild about them because
they don't seem to want to reset as well when the wind/tide changes.

When did Lake Superior start having tides?

Also, I like the lighter weight because it's easier on the windlass when I
use it and i can pull it up fairly easily by hand if I want. And my Monk
is bow heavy with a genset and any pounds I can take of that end of the
boat is an improvement.

So my stainless 35# CQR is still for sale.

Capt. Jeff

Calling a spade a Spade (was about chain)
 

Well, that will sure pull an anchor out! Maybe three inches more scope would
prevent it.

"Tamaroak" wrote in message
...
Superior has always had a 3" tide!

But other places i have cruised, Alaska, British Columbia and even some
places in Florida sure do.

Capt. Jeff

Calling a spade a Spade (was about chain)
 

Superior has always had a 3" tide!

But other places i have cruised, Alaska, British Columbia and even some
places in Florida sure do.

Capt. Jeff