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thanx for the info & url Bill...
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Red Cloud® wrote: On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 23:13:26 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you actually should do it. Remember those words the next time you think about posting more of your nonsense. I will! Please be sure to take your own advice! -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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~^ beancounter ~^ wrote: Capt. JG....that's interesting...thanx for the info...i thought ericsons were considered a bit on the overbuilt and heavy side....not as light as, say cal's, catilinas, etc... I thought this as well. I liked the look of his boat, and when I approached him for more info (shopping for a similar size), that's what he told me unprompted. He seemed to have a good deal of experience with boats (on the bay at least), so I tend to believe what he said. I've only sailed on one, and that was years ago, but it seemed ok, although not spectacular. I definitely like cals and, to a lessor degree, cats. The latter have nice layouts, and I have a good friend who owned a 30 until recently. He loved it, but sails in So. Cal., which has much lighter wind. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Red Cloud© wrote: On 27 Sep 2005 07:22:40 -0700, "~^ beancounter ~^" wrote: Capt. JG....that's interesting...thanx for the info...i thought ericsons were considered a bit on the overbuilt and heavy side....not as light as, say cal's, catilinas, etc... JG doesn't know what he's talking about. Ericson/Pacific Seacraft made lots of boats that were quite suitable for crossing oceans and circling the globe. Lots of them have done so. rusty redcloud Come on. They weren't associated with each other until the late 80s, early 90s I believe. Take your advice from before... stop posting nonsense. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Red Cloud© wrote: On 27 Sep 2005 11:53:55 -0700, lid (Jonathan Ganz) wrote: Come on. They weren't associated with each other until the late 80s, early 90s I believe. And? Check your calendar.. It's now almost 2006! Many of the Ericsons that bean counter might be consdoering WERE built by Pacific Seacraft And, lots were built before the acquisition. If he were going to consider an Ericson, one built after that would be more appropriate for crossing oceans. Instead of screaming at me about not knowing the facts, why don't you ask him which one he's considering. I stand by my statement that I was unimpressed with those boats and the guy who owned one (clearly before the acquisition) wasn't either. Take your advice from before... stop posting nonsense. Jon, You obviously don't know squat about Ericsons. Lots of them have been sailed all over the world. They are fine for crossing oceans. You talked to ONE timid sailing couple who felt that sailing in over 20 knots was scary FOR THEM. You are obviously so full of yourself that you have lost the ability to read. I already said that just because something can be done, doesn't mean it should be done. I talked to a couple who claimed to have a great deal of experience. Sure they could be lying, but the fact is that the boat in question was not designed for the high winds of the bay, and certainly not for what one might find outside the Gate. Get a life. You're starting to rant. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
"Red Cloud®" wrote in message ... On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 20:57:42 GMT, "John Cairns" wrote: "Red Cloud©" wrote in message . .. On 27 Sep 2005 11:53:55 -0700, lid (Jonathan Ganz) wrote: In article , Red Cloud© wrote: On 27 Sep 2005 07:22:40 -0700, "~^ beancounter ~^" wrote: Capt. JG....that's interesting...thanx for the info...i thought ericsons were considered a bit on the overbuilt and heavy side....not as light as, say cal's, catilinas, etc... JG doesn't know what he's talking about. Ericson/Pacific Seacraft made lots of boats that were quite suitable for crossing oceans and circling the globe. Lots of them have done so. rusty redcloud Come on. They weren't associated with each other until the late 80s, early 90s I believe. And? Check your calendar.. It's now almost 2006! Many of the Ericsons that bean counter might be consdoering WERE built by Pacific Seacraft Take your advice from before... stop posting nonsense. Jon, You obviously don't know squat about Ericsons. Lots of them have been sailed all over the world. They are fine for crossing oceans. You talked to ONE timid sailing couple who felt that sailing in over 20 knots was scary FOR THEM. rusty redcloud Ah, don't know how to break the news to ya, read the fine print he http://www.pacificseacraft.com/cgi-b...p?0010,ericson Now, maybe you can post a link to show us any Ericsons for sale that were built between 1990-2006? John Cairns Sure! http://yachtworld.com/core/listing/p...02&slim=quick& That's just one of several 1989 and 1990 models I found in about 5 seconds of looking on one website. And, meanwhile, there were also many Ericsons built before that which were EXCELLENT ocean going yachts. PS bought Ericson specifically because they were a competitor in the offshore yacht market. rusty redcloud Never said they weren't offshore capable, only tried to point out that none of the boats you're linking to were built by Pacific Seacraft. None. 1989 never even comes into the equation as PS, which is now privately owned by the Japanese, didn't purchase the assets of the company until 1990. John Cairns |
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Red Cloud® wrote: On 27 Sep 2005 14:04:11 -0700, lid (Jonathan Ganz) wrote: In article , Red Cloud© wrote: On 27 Sep 2005 11:53:55 -0700, lid (Jonathan Ganz) wrote: Come on. They weren't associated with each other until the late 80s, early 90s I believe. And? Check your calendar.. It's now almost 2006! Many of the Ericsons that bean counter might be consdoering WERE built by Pacific Seacraft And, lots were built before the acquisition. If he were going to consider an Ericson, one built after that would be more appropriate for crossing oceans. Instead of screaming at me about not knowing the facts, why don't you ask him which one he's considering. I stand by my statement that I was unimpressed with those boats and the guy who owned one (clearly before the acquisition) wasn't either. I stand by my statement that you are ignorant of these boats and their capabilities. Before the aquisition, Ericson made tons of boats that were excellent for crossing oceans, and they have proved it. Were you even aware of how many of them were fairly heavy full keelers? I didn't think so. You really look like a jackass when you attempt (unsuccessfully) to answer your own questions. I suggest you refrain. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Red Cloud® wrote: On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 20:57:42 GMT, "John Cairns" wrote: Ah, don't know how to break the news to ya, read the fine print he http://www.pacificseacraft.com/cgi-b...p?0010,ericson Now, maybe you can post a link to show us any Ericsons for sale that were built between 1990-2006? John Cairns Sure! http://yachtworld.com/core/listing/p...02&slim=quick& That's just one of several 1989 and 1990 models I found in about 5 seconds of looking on one website. And, meanwhile, there were also many Ericsons built before that which were EXCELLENT ocean going yachts. PS bought Ericson specifically because they were a competitor in the offshore yacht market. Rusty is on the edge John. Don't push him too much. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Red Cloud® wrote: Poor, beaten, BOATLESS, jon. He had a Cal 20 for a while, which was a cast off piece of trash he got for free. He even had to sell that. Yep, a real boat expert! Can't win with facts, so you're reduced to insults. I think it's time to stop responding to your idiocy. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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