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Roger Long September 14th 05 11:32 AM

Rigging cutter question
 
I'm locked out of my boat and have to cut the small pad lock off the
companionway.

If I invest in a bolt cutter, will it be useful as emergency gear in
case of a dismasting or do I need a different tool to cut S.S. rigging
wire quickly?

--

Roger Long





Lauri Tarkkonen September 14th 05 11:54 AM

In "Roger Long" writes:

I'm locked out of my boat and have to cut the small pad lock off the
companionway.


If I invest in a bolt cutter, will it be useful as emergency gear in
case of a dismasting or do I need a different tool to cut S.S. rigging
wire quickly?


If the cutter is good enough for the padlock it will cut the ss-wire
aswell. I would expect the padlock to be hardened so that it is tougher
and if you buy the cheapest bolt cutter you might get a dent in the
blades of the cutters while cutting the padlock.

- Lauri Tarkkonen

Denis Marier September 14th 05 01:22 PM

The situation now is you have to get inside your boat.
First borrow a good bolt cutter and get a hacksaw with a bi - metal blade.
I do not know the type of padlock you have. Usually on boat they are not
very big and are preferably made out of brass. If the bolt cutter does not
cut through you will have to finish off the job with the bi - metal blade.


As for your question is" If I invest in a bolt cutter, will it be useful
as emergency gear in case of a dismasting or do I need a different tool to
cut S.S. rigging
wire quickly?"

A good bolt cutter may do the job?? To cut the rigging quickly on a
dismasted boat a special tool loaded with a 22 Caliber round is the best
device to use. That's what the around the world racers are carrying.
Other cutting tool maybe available.







"Lauri Tarkkonen" wrote in message
...
In "Roger Long"

writes:

I'm locked out of my boat and have to cut the small pad lock off the
companionway.


If I invest in a bolt cutter, will it be useful as emergency gear in
case of a dismasting or do I need a different tool to cut S.S. rigging
wire quickly?


If the cutter is good enough for the padlock it will cut the ss-wire
aswell. I would expect the padlock to be hardened so that it is tougher
and if you buy the cheapest bolt cutter you might get a dent in the
blades of the cutters while cutting the padlock.

- Lauri Tarkkonen




Skip Gundlach September 14th 05 05:28 PM

The other repliers to date have brought an interesting question:

I have both the bolt cutter (came with the boat) and cable cutter (bought
because it wasn't on the boat), 24" handles. Having already bought the
cable cutter, I don't know if I'd buy the other, but...

How much are the explosive cutters, and where does one find them?

L8R

Skip, not yet ready to hit the refit again, but champing at the bit

--
Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig
http://tinyurl.com/384p2 The vessel as Tehamana, as we bought her

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you
didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore.
Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain



Lauri Tarkkonen September 14th 05 05:43 PM

In "Skip Gundlach" writes:

The other repliers to date have brought an interesting question:


I have both the bolt cutter (came with the boat) and cable cutter (bought
because it wasn't on the boat), 24" handles. Having already bought the
cable cutter, I don't know if I'd buy the other, but...


How much are the explosive cutters, and where does one find them?


You mean really explosive?

- Lauri Tarkkonen

L8R


Skip, not yet ready to hit the refit again, but champing at the bit


--
Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig
http://tinyurl.com/384p2 The vessel as Tehamana, as we bought her


"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you
didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore.
Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain




Denis Marier September 14th 05 07:06 PM

One of the most popular Sail Rigging shop in Eastern Canada are using the
Felco cutter every day.
They have to be selected to the right size of cable to be cut.
Check the following site for more information.
http://www.felco.ch/fr/produits/Gamme.asp?IdGamme=1
I just finish talking to the manager of this rigging shop and he stated that
Felco cutter are used every day. They will cut fine as long as you have the
correct size to match the cable to be cut.
In a workshop environment Felco cutters work fine. Having been dismasted
once the manager stated that after having survived a storm you seldom have
enough strength to use a Felco cutter. A good hacksaw with a high quality
blade works as good.
I myself prefer the B- Metal saw blade.


"Lauri Tarkkonen" wrote in message
...
In "Skip Gundlach"

writes:

The other repliers to date have brought an interesting question:


I have both the bolt cutter (came with the boat) and cable cutter (bought
because it wasn't on the boat), 24" handles. Having already bought the
cable cutter, I don't know if I'd buy the other, but...


How much are the explosive cutters, and where does one find them?


You mean really explosive?

- Lauri Tarkkonen

L8R


Skip, not yet ready to hit the refit again, but champing at the bit


--
Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig
http://tinyurl.com/384p2 The vessel as Tehamana, as we bought her


"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you
didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore.
Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain






Lauri Tarkkonen September 14th 05 07:14 PM

In "Denis Marier" writes:

One of the most popular Sail Rigging shop in Eastern Canada are using the
Felco cutter every day.
They have to be selected to the right size of cable to be cut.
Check the following site for more information.
http://www.felco.ch/fr/produits/Gamme.asp?IdGamme=1
I just finish talking to the manager of this rigging shop and he stated that
Felco cutter are used every day. They will cut fine as long as you have the
correct size to match the cable to be cut.
In a workshop environment Felco cutters work fine. Having been dismasted
once the manager stated that after having survived a storm you seldom have
enough strength to use a Felco cutter. A good hacksaw with a high quality
blade works as good.
I myself prefer the B- Metal saw blade.


Havin experienced one dismasting and having to get rid of the mast
before it came throught the hull because in the waves the mast with the
sail and boat seemed to live separate lives with desire to meet once a
while, I would say that a hacksaw is very slow device. I have about 30
inches long tongs for pressing "nicro sleewes" for wires, with cutting
jaws as well. Besides I am quite a positive you need a bunch of blades
for your hacksaw before you have some five or six wires cut apart,
because when you have it half a way done, it is very easy to crack a
piece of the blade or break it completely.

- Lauri Tarkkonen

Lauri Tarkkonen September 14th 05 08:15 PM

In Red Cloud© writes:

On 14 Sep 2005 16:43:32 GMT, (Lauri Tarkkonen)
wrote:


In "Skip Gundlach" writes:

The other repliers to date have brought an interesting question:


I have both the bolt cutter (came with the boat) and cable cutter (bought
because it wasn't on the boat), 24" handles. Having already bought the
cable cutter, I don't know if I'd buy the other, but...


How much are the explosive cutters, and where does one find them?


You mean really explosive?


Yep! They use a SQUIB for power. Sort of like a blank cartridge from a
starters pistol. The firing of the SQUIB drives the cutter. Goes
through a shroud as fast as you can pull a trigger without using any
great amount of physical strength. If you can load and fire a small
rifle, you can do this, even hanging over the side of a boat using one
arm.


I've seen them advertised in the classifieds and small display ads in
the backs of major sailing magazines.


Thanks, I was curious, because I have seen some reference to these
things very long time ago, and I assumed they were forgotten. I have
been using a "nailing" gun, that shoots the nail or bolt through a steel
baar and into hard concrete and thought that a similar idea could be
used for powerfull cutting device. But looks like not too many have been
available because you were enquiring about them.

Anyway, I have experience of some 30 inch long cutters that work very
well and the power needed is not excessive.

- Lauri Tarkkonen



[email protected] September 14th 05 10:46 PM

I have used my ACE HArdware bolt cutter to cut off locks, to cut bolts,
and to cut 1X19 shrouds. It works for me. If you have a choce, buy
the better one.


Roger Long September 14th 05 11:09 PM

What size did you buy?

I bought a 24 inch one. It went through the lock so easily I felt
silly and regretted not going smaller. OTOH, the S.S. shrouds will be
a lot tougher if I ever have to cut them. I also bought larger,
better, locks so the cost of the cutter won't be wasted the next time
I lock myself out:)

Actually, I did stow the cutter inside the boat but I also had a half
dozen keys made for the new locks. I'll keep one in my wallet and one
in my car.

--

Roger Long



wrote in message
oups.com...
I have used my ACE HArdware bolt cutter to cut off locks, to cut
bolts,
and to cut 1X19 shrouds. It works for me. If you have a choce, buy
the better one.





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