I find it interesting that there are really so few good designs out
there for "spirited" family sailing. Consider my not-so-demanding
requirements:


1) 32-36 foot vessel
2) Enclosed aft cabin
3) SA/D suitable for light air work..at least 17 or 18
4) PHRF below 150 or better
5) Reasonable build quality.
6) Price around 70K or less.


Now...we have a few Beneteau first series, a few Kirie Elites, an
Express 35....most of which are tough to find in good shape. A new C&C
99 would be perfect, but I can't justify another 50-60K for a boat that

is only used half the year. I see more European designs, like the
Jeanneau and Kirie/Feelings that make a lot more sense and offer more
speed with better accomodation for a family, but they're rarely found
here.
Well...we're looking at the Beneteau 35s5 next week, then looking at a
Sabre 34 and the Sabre 32 tri cabin-more traditional boats though
slower than the 35s5 or Kirie. I think there's a LOT of room for
improvement in boat design these days...and I'm sorry to say that most
of the designs of previous years show little imagination.
Look at this boat. It's design may not be your cup of tea (looks like a

spaceship), but it sails faster than most comparable C&Cs, Sabres or
Tartans of the same vintage and size and has a better layout. Like I
said, our sailboat industry lacks imaagination, though I'm fond of the
new C&Cs.
http://www.yachtsnet.co.uk/boats/s70505/s70505.htm

I know a C&C 35 III or Sabre 34 are good boats, but we'd like something

with a bit more spunk, especially for the LIS light airs. Thoughts on
this?


Robert B
NY

Capt. Rob wrote:

I know a C&C 35 III or Sabre 34 are good boats, but we'd like something

with a bit more spunk, especially for the LIS light airs. Thoughts on
this?

Landfall 38?

Landfall 38, but her SA/D of well under 17, she no light air winner.
She really doesn't have an aft cabin either, just a bulkead between the
quarterbirths and the central cabin, still open to the companionway.
The LF 38 was an early contender, now struck from my list.

Robert B
NY

Capt. Rob wrote:
Landfall 38, but her SA/D of well under 17, she no light air winner.
She really doesn't have an aft cabin either, just a bulkead between the
quarterbirths and the central cabin, still open to the companionway.
The LF 38 was an early contender, now struck from my list.

Robert B
NY

Taswell 43?

Taswell 43?




Yeah, sure. That's 36 feet LOA, right?


RB

"Capt. Rob" wrote in
ups.com:

I find it interesting that there are really so few good designs out
there for "spirited" family sailing. Consider my not-so-demanding
requirements:


"Family Fun Boats" are big platform pontoon boats with 50hp outboard motors
and two big coolers, fore and aft, so you don't have to get out of your
seats. They have a sink and bbq grille on one side.

Case in point, 3 of these barges full of kids decended on the gas dock of
City Marina in Charleston. The low-class working families piled out while
daddy filled up the tankage, laughing and giggling...having a ball.

I was coming down the docks and could see the rich yachtspersons watching
them from the end of their cleaning handles and tool collections. The
Rednecks were having a ball. The bigshots were at the dock fixing broken
stuff pontoon boats don't have.

Who had more "Family Fun"? Ask the kids....(c;

--
Larry

Capt. Rob wrote:

I find it interesting that there are really so few good designs out
there for "spirited" family sailing.

If you know how to sail well, it's easier to get a boat to feel "spirited."

... Consider my not-so-demanding
requirements:


1) 32-36 foot vessel
2) Enclosed aft cabin
3) SA/D suitable for light air work..at least 17 or 18
4) PHRF below 150 or better
5) Reasonable build quality.
6) Price around 70K or less.


Now...we have a few Beneteau first series, a few Kirie Elites, an
Express 35....most of which are tough to find in good shape. A new C&C
99 would be perfect, but I can't justify another 50-60K for a boat that

is only used half the year. I see more European designs, like the
Jeanneau and Kirie/Feelings that make a lot more sense and offer more
speed with better accomodation for a family, but they're rarely found
here.

That's because you're a clueless dweeb, Bobsprit. You don't know what to
look for, or where to look, and with the attitude you've displayed for
year, you'll probably never learn.

But I want to help, or at least try. If you start by knowing what you're
looking for, that's a good start. Here is a list that is not
all-inclusive, but should give an idea of the very large number of boat
designs that meet your criteria. I cut off the list at SA18.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

B-32
Mirage 34
Dehler DB-1
Victric 4
Soverel 33
Tripp 33
ANDREWS 35
Evelyn 32
Evelyn 322
X-99
FINNGULF 335
DUFOUR 32 CLASSIC
Sidney 36
Dehler DB-2
Bianca 360
THOMAS 35
Bavaria 35 Exclusive
X-102TM
Beneteau First 32
IMX-38
C&C 110
DUFOUR 32
FEELING 364/1090
BAYFIELD 32
JEANNEAU 35
X 3/4-1
BENETEAU F33.7
DUFOUR 35
Jeanneau ATTALIA CB
C&C 34R
X-362 SPORT
X 3/4-2
X-332
Express 37-2
J-33
DEHLER 33
Privilege 37
FEELING 346 DI
Schock 35
San Juan 33
Tartan Ten
WAUQUIEZ CENTURION 36
Jeanneau Sun Rise 33
J-36
NEW YORK 36
Frers 36 F3
CAPRI 37
Morgan 36 CTM
J-35
Frers 33
C&C 34 XL
Express 34
New York 36
Abbott 33
Express 35
OMEGA 36
Aphrodite 101
EVENT 34
Ticon 34
Tripp 36
FEELING 326 D.I.
J-34
TOBAGO 35
Santana 35
Beneteau Oceanis 321
J-34C
J-35
C&C 99
Beneteau First 32 s5
Forna
Kirie Elite 37
Finnfire 33
Tripp 37
EXPRESS 37
CONTEST 36 S
Beneteau First 36s7
FINNGULF 36
BENETEAU 36S7
FIRST 36S7
Baltic 35
BENETEAU 311
PET 37
Holland 36
FARR 37
Kirie Feeling 36
Farr 33
Nightwind 35
HC 33 T
Kirie Feeling 32
HARTLEY 36B
CENTURION 37S
CONTESSA 32
Bavaria 32 Holiday
CSA 33-2
C&C 34+
J-110
Jeanneau Selection
C&C 35-1
NIMBLE 30
Kirie Feeling 36
HERITAGE 37 MK II
FREEDOM 35
Orion 35/79
Hunter 35.5
PACKET CAT 35
SHOW 36
Peterson 34
Endeavour 35
SCHOCK 34 PC
ELITE 37
HUNTER 340
Abbott 36
Beneteau First 35s7
Shoalsailer 32
C&C 35-1 M
SUNBIRD 32
J-35C
MORGAN 36-5
Morgan 36-5
GANB 35 M N
ISLAND PACKET 32
Kirie Feeling 32cb
INTL. ONE-DESIGN
Peterson 34 CTM
Tripp 37 CR
C&C 35-3
COM-PAC 33
Pearson 37 m1
Dufour 35
Ericson 36
Elan 36
IRWIN 35
LNC 36CR
Kahuna
Morgan 364
Hunter 336
FREEDOM 36
OCEANIS 311
CONTEST 38 S
Irwin 33
Freedom 32
Tartan 33R
S2 10.3
Dehler 34
HALLBERG-RASSY 34
Schock 34PC
CROSS 35
Sweden 34
PEREGRINE 36
CAL 36 CR
Tartan 33
HALLBERG-RASSY 352
C&C 36
GIBSEA 362
Coronado 34
CAL 33-2
Aloha 32
CLEARWATER 35
Seidlemann 37
Hunter 376
Olson 34
Hunter 36
Catalina 36 TM M
Sweden 340
Tartan 3500
JEANNEAU SUN ODYSSEY 37

In article . com,
"Capt. Rob" wrote:

I find it interesting that there are really so few good designs out
there for "spirited" family sailing. Consider my not-so-demanding
requirements:


1) 32-36 foot vessel
2) Enclosed aft cabin
3) SA/D suitable for light air work..at least 17 or 18
4) PHRF below 150 or better
5) Reasonable build quality.
6) Price around 70K or less.


There's an old Eastern Shore saying:

There are three options:
1) fast
2) cheap
3) good
Choose any two.

You can only get all three at once in a used boat, and you have to "kiss
a lot of frogs".

--
Jere Lull
Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD)
Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html
Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/