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"jds" wrote in
news:jiTJe.29418$HV1.22431@fed1read07: well, call me an old fart then. if someone is too damn lazy to learn code, let em be limited to a technician. i use cw 99% of the time. try talking to some guy in italy that doesnt speak english any better than i speak italian, add accent= wtf did he say??? an "a" is .- in any language. jeez , 5wpm is a real obsticle?? i could copy 10 before i even attempted my novice test. j.d. kc7mpd Many people still ride horses, too. But, alas, that is NOT a requirement before one drives a car. The analogy is the same. You do not have to know how to ride a horse before you are allowed to drive a car. You can be licensed to drive a ship, but are not required to row a boat. We're all glad you love CW. I'm hoping FCC comes to its senses and restricts CW to the CW part of the band. The only thing it is used for in other parts of the band is a jamming device. There is no reason for it to be used in any other part of the bands. -- Larry |
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"Larry" wrote in message ... "jds" wrote in news:jiTJe.29418$HV1.22431@fed1read07: well, call me an old fart then. if someone is too damn lazy to learn code, let em be limited to a technician. i use cw 99% of the time. try talking to some guy in italy that doesnt speak english any better than i speak italian, add accent= wtf did he say??? an "a" is .- in any language. jeez , 5wpm is a real obsticle?? i could copy 10 before i even attempted my novice test. j.d. kc7mpd Many people still ride horses, too. But, alas, that is NOT a requirement before one drives a car. The analogy is the same. You do not have to know how to ride a horse before you are allowed to drive a car. You can be licensed to drive a ship, but are not required to row a boat. We're all glad you love CW. I'm hoping FCC comes to its senses and restricts CW to the CW part of the band. The only thing it is used for in other parts of the band is a jamming device. There is no reason for it to be used in any other part of the bands. -- Larry OK, I will put my oar in on this Larry. I have used cw for emergency communications traffic after we were hit by the tail end of a typhoon and all I could get going was a 5 watt CW rig running off a lantern battery. I passed the traffic on a phone net.on 75 meters. Remember what the FCC uses to justify ham licenses at all...the word emergency is there. CW should not be relegated out of the other mode frequencies because in an emergency it needs authority to be there. Common sense says operate normally in a CW portion only. I hate code myself, but got my Novice at age 12, Technician 6 months later and General and commercial Radiotelephone 2nd with Ship Radar at age 13, First Phone at age 17. I have 48 years as a ham and have to admit CW has very little justification, but since ham radio is a hobby, the hobbyist who wants to use should have a segment for CW only and a minimum testing requirement to use it there. 73 Doug K7ABX |
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"Doug" wrote in
nk.net: I have 48 years as a ham and have to admit CW has very little justification, but since ham radio is a hobby, the hobbyist who wants to use should have a segment for CW only and a minimum testing requirement to use it there. 73 Doug K7ABX And, I think that CW only segment is where this phone band jammer should be confined to stop the jamming. I think, like 160 meters, you'll soon see the band segregation cease as soon as the old farts who've kept it segregated for their Extra Class elitist friends becomes moot. We don't need band segregation, which makes it really hard on the net operators. 14.100-14.150, for instance, is a total waste of bandwidth for US amateurs as it's a PHONE BAND, dammit, in the rest of the world. How stupid to keep US hams segregated from it, just like the low end of 40 meters where the rest of the world uses it as a PHONE BAND. Wonder what ever happened to that proposal to open up 50 more KC below 7000 Khz broadcasters no longer use? The whole HF band may be a ham band quite shortly. Government and commercial interests want satellite operations, not noisy old Titanic comms on HF at amazingly slow data rates anyone can intercept. The whole band is as obsolete as our friends in Newington, CT. As to the testing, let's stop licensing unqualified hams. There is no ham radio test any more. I have friends whos wives have no idea how to put batteries in a flashlight with Extra Class tickets. They just memorized the test questions and got their Extras. How stupid. HAM RADIO WAS DESIGNED TO INSURE ELECTRONIC TECHNICIANS AND OPERATORS IN TIME OF NATIONAL EMERGENCY! It sure isn't going to help the military any more like it did when they drafted them all in WW2. Let's dump the whole, stupid giveaway test rote memorization program and make it so only people interested enough to study electronics can get ham licenses. Ham radio was never just a hobby! It's a national resource for TECHNICIANS the government can grab in emergencies....I'd like to see it returned to that mode. -- Larry |
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"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message k.net... Sounds like many of the old farts have finally died. Careful Lew, some of those Ole Farts still lurk here in these groups. Some place in this thread, we will soon hear some defense of the age old code requirement. I have my rig installed and have prepared myself for the written portion of the General Class (several years ago, during a business trip, while stuck in a motel room.) I've tried 'hooking up' with a few of the Ole Timers here in my neighborhood, but their widows meet me at the door with the sad news. The few that still survive, deny that the FCC might ever drop the code requirement. Additional the don't seem to realize that there are frequently Mariners on HF/SSB on the upper side of "their band". One ole fellow couldn't imagine that I had a Marine station and Marine operators license and had never taken a test. Sorry if I step on some toes. I would have gotten a Ham license back in my teens if it weren't for the code and my inability to distinguish tone differences and tone shifts. I could do 10 wpm on a key or on paper, as long as I could send or visualize the dots and dashes. Boy Scouts taught and tested me but the Hams wanted me to receive using audio. Steve |
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"Steve" wrote in
: Sorry if I step on some toes. I would have gotten a Ham license back in my teens if it weren't for the code and my inability to distinguish tone differences and tone shifts. I could do 10 wpm on a key or on paper, as long as I could send or visualize the dots and dashes. Boy Scouts taught and tested me but the Hams wanted me to receive using audio. Steve You played it wrong, Steve. When I was 10 I used to spend my nights at a ham's radio shack behind his house. He figured the only way to get rid of me and get to use his equipment again was to get my my own ham license, loan me an old receiver and help me build a 5Y3/6V6 transmitter for my Novice station.....(c; I missed his big Hallicrafter's transmitter and National NC-303 receiver so ended up getting General so I could use my license on his station...hee hee. We were still friends up til his death at 89 years old.... -- Larry |
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Steve wrote:
Careful Lew, some of those Ole Farts still lurk here in these groups. Some place in this thread, we will soon hear some defense of the age old code requirement. Precisely why I made the comment. HAM radio and its practitioners may have been a critical resource 55-60 years ago (WWII vintage); however, today HAM is an old dog that time has passed by. Today's real resource is an 8 year old kid who writes video games, satellite tracking and some other interesting stuff the kids do today. Time to put the old farts, including myself, out to pasture. Lew |
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On 2005-08-10 13:41:35 +1000, Lew Hodgett said:
Steve wrote: Careful Lew, some of those Ole Farts still lurk here in these groups. Some place in this thread, we will soon hear some defense of the age old code requirement. Precisely why I made the comment. HAM radio and its practitioners may have been a critical resource 55-60 years ago (WWII vintage); however, today HAM is an old dog that time has passed by. Today's real resource is an 8 year old kid who writes video games, satellite tracking and some other interesting stuff the kids do today. Time to put the old farts, including myself, out to pasture. Lew Speak for yourself Lew! I'm 59 and I still get a kick out of learning new stuff. I have to preface this with the fact that I am an EE grad who worked in the IT sector for 30+ years. But keeping up with new comms technology keeps you young! Nothing like digital voice, OFDM modems et al. Hell in a couple of years SSB could be going the way of Ancient Modulation even on HF! -- Regards, John Proctor VK3JP, VKV6789 S/V Chagall |
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John Proctor wrote:
Speak for yourself Lew! I'm 59 and I still get a kick out of learning new stuff. A mere youngster. I have to preface this with the fact that I am an EE grad who worked in the IT sector for 30+ years. But keeping up with new comms technology keeps you young! Nothing like digital voice, OFDM modems et al. Hell in a couple of years SSB could be going the way of Ancient Modulation even on HF! SFWIW, the State of Ohio gave me a PE license a long time ago and as long as I send them some money every year, it remains in tact. Never had to use it, but it looked good hanging on the wall of my office. Doing techie things was a way to feed the bull dog all those early years, but today my horizons have broadened. Today I learn less and less about more and more until someday I will know absolutely nothing about everything. Perhaps that day is closer than I thinkG. Lew |
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On 8/8/05 2:29 PM, in article , "Larry"
wrote: http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2005/07/20/100/?nc=1 Good news for boaters! FCC proposes to drop ALL Morse code requirements on ALL licenses! THE TIME OF YOUR HAM LICENSE HAS ARRIVED! The public comment window is open! Tell the FCC to get rid of the code! Now, they should replace the code test with a TYPING test so you can carry on a decent conversation with those dunderheads that can't type 5wpm on packet, pactor, PSK31, RTTY, etc........No typing endorsement, no data modes! As an Extra Class, I also propose to drop the stupid ARRL band segregation on "class" and "modes". How stupid.... 73 DE W4CSC Maybe it is time to say Morse Code has outlived it's usefulness. I have heard that the RadioTelegraph license requirement has been dropped for shipboard radio operators. Could just be it's not needed but I still think there is a place for it. Just as most of the theory you need to know today isn't really used anymore due to the advanced electronics. It's a way though to "earn" your rights to operate and yes provide an educated or somewhat educated pool of radio operators. All that aside I think there still is a place for morse code and to eliminate it all together, I feel, would not be in the best interest of the art of radio operators. As far as the number of operators that use it today, I doubt there are but a handfull. I do think that elimination of the code, except up to the highest levels of Licensed operators would be rational but still I disagree with total elimination of the code requirement. Just my opinion though. Gary - KW4Z PS With the advent of the internet and new technologies, that require more bandwidth, I feel anything we can do to increase the ranks of Amateur Radio operators is a good thing and if that means sacrificing the code to save the hobby then I'm all for that. What we must not give up is education into the rules and operating procedures as well as basic theory and operation. We still need "educated" professional operators. |
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