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Ok this is ridiculous... SPAM?
Some meatball decided that sending 1 message to a newsgroup announcing
our website is spam. This group IS dedicated to boats correct? And cruising correct? One message to 3 relevant newsgroups posted manually one time does NOT constitute spam. I have a right to responsible and rationally use this newsgroup just as well as everyone else. I do NOT rapid fire ads to a bunch of groups ever. I do NOT cross post. I do not send ads out on a regular basis. I thought the groups were to announce relevant information and links to the subscribers. I could understand if I sent multiple postings with massive advertisment. This thing with people witchhunting people as spammers when they are NOT has to stop. I followed the CORRECT procedure posting relevant information to a proper group. If he cannot prove his allegations of spam maybe he should contain his libelous statements before someone in a legal department somewhere gets angry and takes action. Guys I meant NO offense I only wanted to get a LITTLE word out to people who love boats as much as we do. Thank you. |
"linuxsalute" wrote in message oups.com... Some meatball decided that sending 1 message to a newsgroup announcing our website is spam. This group IS dedicated to boats correct? And cruising correct? I thought that your message was OK. I love boats and cruising and anything related to that is OK with me. If it was directed to my home address, then I would consider it to be spam. Jim |
Actually, your message was a commercial posting to a non-commercial newsgroup.
As such it is not really welcomed here by a lot of folks. A more appropriate newsgroup is rec.boats.marketplace which is for commercial postings such as yours. See my reply to your original post for suggestions on how to participate and pump your business at the same time. Also, by the replies you can see that some people do not mind you violating the charter--but some people do. BTW - Been on newsgroups since around 1988 or so. Back then people didn't send unsolicited commercials to your email either. Now see where we are, and ask yourself if you want the newsgroups to become that way. Don W. linuxsalute wrote: Some meatball decided that sending 1 message to a newsgroup announcing our website is spam. This group IS dedicated to boats correct? And cruising correct? One message to 3 relevant newsgroups posted manually one time does NOT constitute spam. I have a right to responsible and rationally use this newsgroup just as well as everyone else. I do NOT rapid fire ads to a bunch of groups ever. I do NOT cross post. I do not send ads out on a regular basis. I thought the groups were to announce relevant information and links to the subscribers. I could understand if I sent multiple postings with massive advertisment. This thing with people witchhunting people as spammers when they are NOT has to stop. I followed the CORRECT procedure posting relevant information to a proper group. If he cannot prove his allegations of spam maybe he should contain his libelous statements before someone in a legal department somewhere gets angry and takes action. Guys I meant NO offense I only wanted to get a LITTLE word out to people who love boats as much as we do. Thank you. |
Don W wrote in
: Actually, your message was a commercial posting to a non-commercial newsgroup. As such it is not really welcomed here by a lot of folks. A more appropriate newsgroup is rec.boats.marketplace which is for commercial postings such as yours. If ONE POST makes him a dime...it's spam. Of course, he knows that..... Meatball |
Dave wrote:
Unfortunately, every group seems to have at least one self-righteous clown whose goal in life seems to be running about claiming to be offended by any possible taint of the promotion of commerce. Dave, The reason is that there are probably more than ten thousand boat brokerage and charter companies in the world. If all of them posted small ads for their websites there would be no room for posts by cruisers. Don't think it can't happen. Email used to be free of commercial solicitations years ago. Now my filter catches around 60+ spam emails per day. I don't recall that you've been posting to this group very long, but you surely don't want to have to start filtering your newsgroups as well do you? BTW - Anthony, If you are not the owner of Yachting Royal Interntional consider that people can also call 1-800-592-0298 to complain to your boss. If you are the owner, then consider that some people who might have used your business will be put off by your unethical use of non-commercial newsgroups. I realize that you are from Chicago, and that people there are used to smash-mouth business tactics. It doesn't play well in much of the rest of the world. Good luck, Don W. |
linuxsalute wrote:
Some meatball decided that sending 1 message to a newsgroup announcing our website is spam. You've already sent two. One under the heading "Looking for a cruise?", and one under the heading "New Yachting site". These were posted at 9:29 and 9:32 AM respectively. Your "OK this is ridiculous..." message was posted at 1:48 PM. One message to 3 relevant newsgroups posted manually one time does NOT constitute spam. Spam is in the eye of the beholder. I have a right to responsible and rationally use this newsgroup just as well as everyone else. Yes, but not for commercial purposes. Check the newsgroup charter. rec.boats.marketplace is for commercial posts. I do NOT rapid fire ads to a bunch of groups ever. I do NOT cross post. I do not send ads out on a regular basis. Thank goodness for your small favors. This thing with people witchhunting people as spammers when they are NOT has to stop. I followed the CORRECT procedure posting relevant information to a proper group. Once again, spam is in the eye of the beholder. Larry called it spam, and I agree. If he cannot prove his allegations of spam maybe he should contain his libelous statements before someone in a legal department somewhere gets angry and takes action. Sounds like a threat. Guys I meant NO offense I only wanted to get a LITTLE word out to people who love boats as much as we do. Thank you. The typical way to respond when you have offended people is to apologize. Not threaten legal action. I agree with Larry. And I also find your threatening him on a public forum offensive. And chilling. What makes you think that people would like to do business with people like you? Geez. Someone calls your post spam, and you threaten legal action. Get a grip. I wonder what happens when one of your business deals gets into problems. Is this really the public image the owners of Yachting Royale International want to project? Do you realize what a public black eye you are giving your company? If you aren't an owner in the company, I'd expect to be hearing from them before too long because if I owned Yachting Royale and read your posts here I'd be livid. Is it possible that you work for a competitor and are just trying to make them look bad?? Don W. |
Dave wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 21:07:35 GMT, Don W said: I don't recall that you've been posting to this group very long, but you surely don't want to have to start filtering your newsgroups as well do you? Nor do I recall your posting to the group for long. Do a quick Google search of rec.boats.cruising using the sig "Don W". There are 400+ hits back to Jan 14, 2000 when Google started archiving the newsgroups. Actually, I've been reading and posting here regularly since before then. The same search for you reports 199 results starting Jan 2004. Okay, thats longer than I remembered, but still only 1-1/2 years. BTW, tell me how you can filter out commercial posts from a bunch of different senders. My email filter kills all email from anyone not in my "sent" file, or in my address book. I have to scan the killed messages to make sure relevant ones didn't get killed by mistake. I use "kill file" type filters on the newsgroups. These only delete posts by specific individuals. How would you filter hundreds or thousands of posts from different senders? If you had to wade through them by hand would you bother to continue reading the newsgroup? Just wondering, Don W. |
Don W wrote:
Dave wrote: On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 21:07:35 GMT, Don W said: I don't recall that you've been posting to this group very long, but you surely don't want to have to start filtering your newsgroups as well do you? Nor do I recall your posting to the group for long. Do a quick Google search of rec.boats.cruising using the sig "Don W". There are 400+ hits back to Jan 14, 2000 when Google started archiving the newsgroups. Actually, I've been reading and posting here regularly since before then. The same search for you reports 199 results starting Jan 2004. Okay, thats longer than I remembered, but still only 1-1/2 years. BTW, tell me how you can filter out commercial posts from a bunch of different senders. My email filter kills all email from anyone not in my "sent" file, or in my address book. I have to scan the killed messages to make sure relevant ones didn't get killed by mistake. I use "kill file" type filters on the newsgroups. These only delete posts by specific individuals. How would you filter hundreds or thousands of posts from different senders? If you had to wade through them by hand would you bother to continue reading the newsgroup? Doesn't your newsgroup software give you a list of only the subject and authors so you can scroll down through fifty or sixty messages in a minute or two? then delete them all in five seconds if you don't want to read them? If not, you should switch to one of the many that do, it will make your usenet life alot better. Stephen |
Don W wrote in
: If he cannot prove his allegations of spam maybe he should contain his libelous statements before someone in a legal department somewhere gets angry and takes action. I proved my allegations. I simply copied BOTH messages and sent them to the abuse department at google-groups and SBC, the internet provider. I asked them to point out their user requirements under their own AUP (Acceptable Use Policy), which forbid the propagation of spam from their servers, not just to newsgroups. It's up to the two providers to handle it, which is why I got two nice replies to my abuse emails and why, I'm sure, we're having this extended discussion...(c; I'm actually being very nice. I know some boys at a major university who run a little background program on frame relay bandwidth that can run a commercial website's hit costs WAY up in a matter of hours. I didn't add him to the list......yet. I usually reserve that for assholes sending spam to my email accounts dumb enough to include their webpage addresses.... If EVERYONE would report EVERY occurance, and it's not rocket science to look at the headers of these amateurs, it would be too costly to spam any Usenet group, or even your personal email. Users CAN fight back. I do all the while....(c; |
Don W wrote in
: Is it possible that you work for a competitor and are just trying to make them look bad?? Not unless he's hijacked one of their computers in their office. The IP that sent the message to a free Google account came from an SBC Communications IP. It's part of the trace. He even left his email address for the usenet spambots to gather. They'll trash that for him. SBC has the data and will find out whos IP it is.... Seeing his legal threats, I doubt anyone reading this would be stupid enough to actually use the company's services if this is their way of doing business. Can you imagine how they'd sue if you scratched their gelcoat?! Meatball Larry |
Peter Wiley wrote in
: End result is that email is crippled as a method of reaching new people since nearly everyone automatically kills all messages from unknown addresses. People like you can do the same thing to n/gs. Actually you CAN do something about your email spam problems. One good place to list, which will clear out your post office box so YOU can use it is: http://www.junkbusters.com/ I've been listed on junkbusters for years. It's a legit free service run by someone who got fed up with being inundated, too. Fill out his online forms and print out the EXACT messages each of the snailmail spammers want to see to get you off their lists. MAIL THEM. They fold into their own envelopes last time I did it. This also puts you automatically on every DO NOT SPAM database on all the mass mailers' computers. Junkbusters is connected to all of them. I got my snailmail box down to maybe 5 spams a week! I call each of those that don't get the message to see how much time I can suck up costing their companies as much money as possible. After they want my credit card number, I say, "Do you get the idea now that I'm not going to buy anything and am trying to waste your time? Why not just take me off the lists and databases and I'll stop calling after every one of your useless mailings." It works, too! Of course, you know to be on all the DO NOT CALL lists, I hope. I got rid of the constant unsolicited phone calls the day I told Bell$outh to pull their wires off my house. Noone needs a home phone any more. It's a Federal Offense to call my cellular phone from some boiler room. I fill out those forms with the FTC on the 2nd phone call. Ask AT&T. They kept calling to sell me long distance phone service on my cellular phone with free LD to anywhere in the country. I signed up four times before they got the message....stupid asses....(c; Meatball Larry |
Don W wrote:
Actually, your message was a commercial posting to a non-commercial newsgroup. As such it is not really welcomed here by a lot of folks. A more appropriate newsgroup is rec.boats.marketplace which is for commercial postings such as yours. See my reply to your original post for suggestions on how to participate and pump your business at the same time. Also, by the replies you can see that some people do not mind you violating the charter--but some people do. I'm one that does mind BTW - Been on newsgroups since around 1988 or so. Back then people didn't send unsolicited commercials to your email either. Now see where we are, and ask yourself if you want the newsgroups to become that way. Don W. linuxsalute wrote: Some meatball decided that sending 1 message to a newsgroup announcing our website is spam. This group IS dedicated to boats correct? And cruising correct? One message to 3 relevant newsgroups posted manually one time does NOT constitute spam. I have a right to responsible and rationally use this newsgroup just as well as everyone else. I do NOT rapid fire ads to a bunch of groups ever. I do NOT cross post. I do not send ads out on a regular basis. I thought the groups were to announce relevant information and links to the subscribers. I could understand if I sent multiple postings with massive advertisment. This thing with people I saw two posts about the same thing with different headers and on that basis decided it was spam, and blocked the address. witchhunting people as spammers when they are NOT has to stop. I followed the CORRECT procedure posting relevant information to a proper group. If he cannot prove his allegations of spam maybe he should contain his libelous statements before someone in a legal department somewhere gets angry and takes action. Guys I meant NO offense I only wanted to get a LITTLE word out to people who love boats as much as we do. Thank you. I do not find your allegation that your posts were not spam convincing and the threat to bring in the legal department does nothing to create warm and fuzzy feelings toward you. grandma Rosalie |
Rosalie B. wrote in
: I do not find your allegation that your posts were not spam convincing and the threat to bring in the legal department does nothing to create warm and fuzzy feelings toward you. grandma Rosalie Grandma...Does this mean you're not going to be rentin' one of his boats???...(c; Meatball Larry |
Dave wrote:
You need to learn to read headers before continuing to run off at the mouth. See that "No Archive" in my headers? I'm surprised you even found 199 results. Apparently Google only partially honors the No Archive. Been reading headers since the Inet was Arpanet--thanks for the suggestion :) So, how long _have_ you been posting to this group? I read it nearly every day and don't recall running into you before. How would you filter hundreds or thousands of posts from different senders? I do it regularly. As I already told you once, I use either my news reader's filters or a news proxy, depending on the severity of the problem. With a news proxy it's trivial to automatically reject or accept, on a newsgroup by newsgroup basis, all articles cross-posted to more than X groups. So I guess for you, thousands of commercial posts would not pose a problem or even an annoyance. For some of us it does. What was your point? Are you trying to encourage commercial use of non-commercial usenet groups? Maybe someday rec.boats.cruising will just be commercial messages, and people insulting each other. Then we all will have lost a useful resource about boating and cruising. That's all I'm going to say about this subject. Don W. |
Larry wrote:
Rosalie B. wrote in : I do not find your allegation that your posts were not spam convincing and the threat to bring in the legal department does nothing to create warm and fuzzy feelings toward you. grandma Rosalie Grandma...Does this mean you're not going to be rentin' one of his boats???...(c; Meatball Larry I didn't even click on the link, so I have no idea what he was advertising. Is that what he does? grandma Rosalie |
It's like complaining about one slob tossing one beer can out of their window. What's the big deal, right? It's only one lousy can, they all say. Problem comes with the rest of the slobs seeing it's OK to litter up the place and following suit. I pick up approx a shopping bag a week just around the foreshores outside my place. It always amazes me how some clown can find the strength to carry a full can/bottle of whatever to somewhere, but can't manage to carry the empty away again. I used to use my direct email addy on Usenet way back when. Then spammers started harvesting and it was a running war with filters. End result is that email is crippled as a method of reaching new people since nearly everyone automatically kills all messages from unknown addresses. People like you can do the same thing to n/gs. You've been told the acceptable way to promote your company. Participate, post helpful information and leave your company URL in a sig. Since your second post seems to be a blustering defence of the first one I reckon you'll neither stay nor learn. That's OK, you've just damaged your company's reputation. How many people who have internet access don't know how to do a search for companies like yours, FCS? If you have an internet presence, you're findable for people who want to look. Don't like my opinions? Sue me (that should be amusing) or killfile me. If your next response is as clueless & hostile as this one, I'll certainly killfile you. Life's too short to bother with crap like this. PDW In article .com, linuxsalute wrote: Some meatball decided that sending 1 message to a newsgroup announcing our website is spam. This group IS dedicated to boats correct? And cruising correct? One message to 3 relevant newsgroups posted manually one time does NOT constitute spam. I have a right to responsible and rationally use this newsgroup just as well as everyone else. I do NOT rapid fire ads to a bunch of groups ever. I do NOT cross post. I do not send ads out on a regular basis. I thought the groups were to announce relevant information and links to the subscribers. I could understand if I sent multiple postings with massive advertisment. This thing with people witchhunting people as spammers when they are NOT has to stop. I followed the CORRECT procedure posting relevant information to a proper group. If he cannot prove his allegations of spam maybe he should contain his libelous statements before someone in a legal department somewhere gets angry and takes action. Guys I meant NO offense I only wanted to get a LITTLE word out to people who love boats as much as we do. Thank you. |
Dave wrote:
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 03:36:43 GMT, Don W said: What was your point? Are you trying to encourage commercial use of non-commercial usenet groups? My point was that one should exercise a bit of judgment about a particular post before posting knee-jerk blather about commercial use. Just like spam, "knee-jerk blather" is in the eye of the beholder. Your posts strike me as such as well, but I was trying to be polite enough not to say so. Now can we get back to talking about boats and cruising? I'll even let you have the last word ;-) Don W. |
Harry,
Go back to rec.boats. You have ruined one NG with your personal attacks, now that everyone in rec.boats knows you are a non boating fool, you come over her to try to insult Larry. Larry is too classy to respond to your insults. "HarryKrause" wrote in message ... linuxsalute wrote: Some meatball decided that sending 1 message to a newsgroup announcing our website is spam. This group IS dedicated to boats correct? And cruising correct? One message to 3 relevant newsgroups posted manually one time does NOT constitute spam. I have a right to responsible and rationally use this newsgroup just as well as everyone else. I do NOT rapid fire ads to a bunch of groups ever. I do NOT cross post. I do not send ads out on a regular basis. I thought the groups were to announce relevant information and links to the subscribers. I could understand if I sent multiple postings with massive advertisment. This thing with people witchhunting people as spammers when they are NOT has to stop. I followed the CORRECT procedure posting relevant information to a proper group. If he cannot prove his allegations of spam maybe he should contain his libelous statements before someone in a legal department somewhere gets angry and takes action. Guys I meant NO offense I only wanted to get a LITTLE word out to people who love boats as much as we do. Thank you. Worry not; Larry is a well-known near-psychotic basket case. -- Let's pray the United States survives the rest of Bush's term. |
Dave wrote:
As the lawyers say, which time were you telling the truth. g Maybe neither, maybe both. As the song says: "You decide which is right... and which is an illusion" g Don W. |
In article , Larry
wrote: Peter Wiley wrote in : End result is that email is crippled as a method of reaching new people since nearly everyone automatically kills all messages from unknown addresses. People like you can do the same thing to n/gs. Actually you CAN do something about your email spam problems. One good place to list, which will clear out your post office box so YOU can use it is: http://www.junkbusters.com/ I've been listed on junkbusters for years. It's a legit free service run by someone who got fed up with being inundated, too. [snip] My hotmail addy is legit & they scrub most of the spam. Only use I have for hotmail, actually. Occasionally someone 'real' wants to write to me so I don't actually run a whitelist, I just check the messages every week or 2. If there's something interesting, I'll respond and maybe give them my direct addy. Works for me tho under different circumstances I'd do what you're doing. As for phones, it's odd. I own a property in a big city. Heaps of cold callers selling whatever. Also have a place I live most of the time on a few acres next to a quiet bay, where I can keep a daysailer ready to launch and a few kayaks about. That phone is listed in the book but almost no cold calls. I've thought of pulling it out and just having a cell phone, but not just yet. The day is coming tho, esp as work pays for the cellphone :-) PDW |
linuxsalute wrote:
Some meatball decided that sending 1 message to a newsgroup announcing our website is spam. This group IS dedicated to boats correct? And cruising correct? Yes, but that doesn't make it a venue for free advertising. For every "meatball" or "clown" or "net-nazi" who makes an attempt to prevent spam, there are 15 people who are mortally offended that they cannot take over USENET for their own profit. If every person with a boat for sale, or a boat-related website, decided to post announcements here, then any possible exchange of info would be impossible. Nobody wants to wade through 10,000 ads to discuss cruising, therefor the threshold for ads has to be very low. Now, discuss cruising or get thee gone. Doug King |
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