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Larry asks:
Could you have become a "marketer/advertising writer" if you'd spent YOUR childhood at sea on correspondence courses?.... Easily. Much more easily than a typical product of the US lower/high school system could. Our university system is pretty good, however. and... or would you have become one of those poor slaves hauling out someone's nasty engine from the bilges? Like the employees at the local fast-food place whose math skills are so pitiful that they can't make change? These people are called "high school graduates." Same as that poor grunt hauling your oily engine or grinding your fouled bottom for negligible compensation. Define "success" for me and we can have an interesting discussion about that. I'll bet my definition differs greatly from yours. For instance, mine includes "fun" as one of the more important components. |
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Stephen, I like what you're saying and I wanna comment on this:
You said: The key problem on a boat is the child needs to have opportunities to explore what interests them. This could present some major challenges to the homeschooling parent on a boat. Hey! Drop the phrase "on a boat." This is the key problem for a homeschooling parent in New York City, suburban San Diego, or East Podunk. It's also the key problem for any kid, schooled by any method, in a school or otherwise. As for it being a challenge for a homeschooler on a boat, that's certainly true; but that's what the www is for. However, it's just as true for a kid sitting at his desk in P.S. 101, prepping for the latest round of "standardized testing" when what he wants desperately to investigate is plate tectonics. The difference is that the homeschooler can tell his folks that and off they go on an exploration of the world of plate tectonics. Meanwhile, the kid at P.S. 101 is still stuck at his desk learning how to give the "correct" answers on the latest "measurement device" (test) to ensure funding under the "no kid is left behind" extortion scheme. Behind what, I'm not sure. |
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Frank wrote:
Stephen, I like what you're saying and I wanna comment on this: You said: The key problem on a boat is the child needs to have opportunities to explore what interests them. This could present some major challenges to the homeschooling parent on a boat. Hey! Drop the phrase "on a boat." This is the key problem for a homeschooling parent in New York City, suburban San Diego, or East Podunk. It's also the key problem for any kid, schooled by any method, in a school or otherwise. As for it being a challenge for a homeschooler on a boat, that's certainly true; but that's what the www is for. However, it's just as true for a kid sitting at his desk in P.S. 101, prepping for the latest round of "standardized testing" when what he wants desperately to investigate is plate tectonics. The difference is that the homeschooler can tell his folks that and off they go on an exploration of the world of plate tectonics. Meanwhile, the kid at P.S. 101 is still stuck at his desk learning how to give the "correct" answers on the latest "measurement device" (test) to ensure funding under the "no kid is left behind" extortion scheme. Behind what, I'm not sure. Yeah, you're right. Stephen -- Stephen ------- For any proposition there is always some sufficiently narrow interpretation of its terms, such that it turns out true, and some sufficiently wide interpretation such that it turns out false...concept stretching will refute *any* statement, and will leave no true statement whatsoever. -- Imre Lakatos |
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"Stephen Trapani" wrote
Frank wrote: snip After all the comentary and back slapping nobody responded to Larry's challenge: "In other words, name 4 very successful people you know who were home schooled at sea by correspondence course". I've done a lot of hiring for well-paying jobs. Employers want credentials. Your home-schooled kid may be better educated than the product of PS101 but do you have a paper that says so, or that (s)he has any education at all. And if I'm to compare several candidates I want to see scores on standardized tests. |
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Vito wrote:
"Stephen Trapani" wrote Frank wrote: snip After all the comentary and back slapping nobody responded to Larry's challenge: "In other words, name 4 very successful people you know who were home schooled at sea by correspondence course". I've done a lot of hiring for well-paying jobs. Employers want credentials. Your home-schooled kid may be better educated than the product of PS101 but do you have a paper that says so, or that (s)he has any education at all. And if I'm to compare several candidates I want to see scores on standardized tests. I did answer him, but maybe you'll like this better: http://www.home4schoolgear.com/famoushomeschooler.html or this: http://users.safeaccess.com/olsen/famous.html or this: http://www.homeschoolutah.org/pages/pastandpresent.htm Even on these very incomplete lists you can see there have been plenty of successful homeschoolers, no matter how you measure "success." I'm an employer also. What matters most to me is past work experience and some indication from the person that they can do what I want them to do. Their schooling is one of the least important things I consider. And a "standardized test" is worthless unless performance on the test somehow relates to their prospective job duties. Anyway, most homeschoolers would do well on such tests. Why wouldn't they? -- Stephen |
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This is just stupid. What kind of people invest in a yacht, anchor it
in a foriegn cove, and go to sleep leaving their important items all over the place and things unlocked, as if they are in their livingroom? And what kind of people commit this idiocy, and then spend all night and the next day calling "mayday", and thinking it is something the local police can, or even ought to try, to investigate & solve? But worst of all, what kind of people go further and propagate all this stupidity and ignorance all over the world? Yep, it sure is getting dangerous - the increasing danger of idiots with crusing boats, that is... |
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rhys wrote:
Thanks for this. Normally, I don't post salty language, but I've just added Venezuela to my list of ****ing dumps I won't be visiting by sail. So far: Indonesia All of the Red Sea Venezuela Parts of Brazil Parts of Africa Parts of Central America (Costa Rica's still OK, and possibly Belize) U.S.A. if the jumped-up mall cops running "Homeland Security" think I might visit Cuba at some undefined point and decide that's reason to steal my boat. One wonders whether this miscreant may have realized that a great many of the residents of these countries consider his own to be a ****ing dump, too, except for it's inestimably greater & more universal arrogance that tempts everyone to rip its vacationers off by any means available? People like this guy HELP CAUSE piracy. |
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Frank wrote:
Oh, yeah, gotta ditto this. Yes, even the part about the U.S., despite my status as a citizen of said entity. We're getting ready to start cruising toward the Caribbean in a coupla months (as soon as we get the new boat ready). We'll be flying a "world" flag from our stern. "Homeland Security!" Snort! A bureau name (and philosophy and tactics) straight out of the Third Reich. And is there anything more "unamerican" than the soi-disant "Patriot" Act? Lately, however, I've been hearing rumors of impeachment. I can only hope. Guess I'd better keep a U.S. ensign with the other courtesy flags. Just in case. But to move away from politics... Homeschooling at sea! I can't wait! The kids are pretty excited, too. I hope you are keeping them far from the WWW & TV and teaching them the Mandarin they will soon need to survive in the coming reich. Another Frank Former Homeschooler |
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Vito wrote:
snip And if I'm to compare several candidates I want to see scores on standardized tests. The results of standardized testing provide only at best a simplistic and at worse, an irrelevant answer to the question you're asking. I'm always surprised when I see/read people comments indicating that these blunt instruments have some sort of validity. |
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