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Fixed docks and hurricanes
During hurricane season, fixed docks make me crazy as there is no good
way to either keep your boat from beating itself to death against the pilings or when the storm surge really goes up impaling itself on the pilings. What a stupid situation. So......What we really need is a sort of ratcheting device that keeps your boat centered between pilings based on the differential tension on docklines. It'd be spring loaded to either take line in or let it out depending on differential load. It'd require no power of course. It'd allow your boat to rise or fall a lot to take up storm surge but would keep her centered 'tween pilings. The real problem I see is how to attach said device to the boat and every boat differs. Fitting it would be empirical for each situation and I assume it would be kinda expensive. What Y'all think? |
"John Jay" wrote in message ... It is good to see you finally admit you only have one boat. The truth will set you free. ; ) "HarryKrause" wrote in message ... wrote: During hurricane season, fixed docks make me crazy as there is no good way to either keep your boat from beating itself to death against the pilings or when the storm surge really goes up impaling itself on the pilings. What a stupid situation. So......What we really need is a sort of ratcheting device that keeps your boat centered between pilings based on the differential tension on docklines. It'd be spring loaded to either take line in or let it out depending on differential load. It'd require no power of course. It'd allow your boat to rise or fall a lot to take up storm surge but would keep her centered 'tween pilings. The real problem I see is how to attach said device to the boat and every boat differs. Fitting it would be empirical for each situation and I assume it would be kinda expensive. What Y'all think? I think I'll do what I did last time: store my boat on the high and dry. -- If it is Bad for Bush, It is Good for the United States. So now we finally have proof that there is no custom made 36 foot lobster boat, just that modest 25 foot fishing boat. Sooner or later all liars get caught in their lies. |
"Red Cloud©" wrote in message ... On Wed, 8 Jun 2005 14:07:35 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote: "John Jay" wrote in message ... It is good to see you finally admit you only have one boat. The truth will set you free. ; ) "HarryKrause" wrote in message ... wrote: During hurricane season, fixed docks make me crazy as there is no good way to either keep your boat from beating itself to death against the pilings or when the storm surge really goes up impaling itself on the pilings. What a stupid situation. So......What we really need is a sort of ratcheting device that keeps your boat centered between pilings based on the differential tension on docklines. It'd be spring loaded to either take line in or let it out depending on differential load. It'd require no power of course. It'd allow your boat to rise or fall a lot to take up storm surge but would keep her centered 'tween pilings. The real problem I see is how to attach said device to the boat and every boat differs. Fitting it would be empirical for each situation and I assume it would be kinda expensive. What Y'all think? I think I'll do what I did last time: store my boat on the high and dry. -- If it is Bad for Bush, It is Good for the United States. So now we finally have proof that there is no custom made 36 foot lobster boat, just that modest 25 foot fishing boat. Sooner or later all liars get caught in their lies. Did you get that "proof" notarized and certified? Yes. And who in ther right mind really cares if Krause has one leaky canoe or a fleet of new Hinkley's? rusty redcloud No one. However it was nice to see the liar get tripped up in his own lies. Now who (besides you) in *their* right mind really cares if I care if Krause has one leaky canoe or a fleet of new Hinkleys? :-) |
"*JimH*" wrote in message ... "Red Cloud©" wrote in message ... On Wed, 8 Jun 2005 14:07:35 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote: "John Jay" wrote in message ... It is good to see you finally admit you only have one boat. The truth will set you free. ; ) "HarryKrause" wrote in message ... wrote: I think I'll do what I did last time: store my boat on the high and dry. -- If it is Bad for Bush, It is Good for the United States. So now we finally have proof that there is no custom made 36 foot lobster boat, just that modest 25 foot fishing boat. Sooner or later all liars get caught in their lies. Did you get that "proof" notarized and certified? Yes. And who in ther right mind really cares if Krause has one leaky canoe or a fleet of new Hinkley's? rusty redcloud No one. However it was nice to see the liar get tripped up in his own lies. Now who (besides you) in *their* right mind really cares if I care if Krause has one leaky canoe or a fleet of new Hinkleys? :-) BTW: Rusty it looks like you woke up grumpy yet again today. Try getting a better nights sleep tonight. We would all like to see a happy and cheerful Rusty....the grumpy one is not fun at all. |
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*JimH* wrote: "Red Cloud=A9" wrote in message ... On Wed, 8 Jun 2005 14:07:35 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote: "John Jay" wrote in message ... It is good to see you finally admit you only have one boat. The truth will set you free. ; ) "HarryKrause" wrote in message ... wrote: During hurricane season, fixed docks make me crazy as there is no g= ood way to either keep your boat from beating itself to death against t= he pilings or when the storm surge really goes up impaling itself on t= he pilings. What a stupid situation. So......What we really need is a sort of ratcheting device that kee= ps your boat centered between pilings based on the differential tension on docklines. It'd be spring loaded to either take line in or let it = out depending on differential load. It'd require no power of course. It'd allow your boat to rise or fall a lot to take up storm surge but wo= uld keep her centered 'tween pilings. The real problem I see is how to attach said device to the boat and every boat differs. Fitting it would be empirical for each situation and I assume it would be kinda expensive. What Y'all think? I think I'll do what I did last time: store my boat on the high and dry. -- If it is Bad for Bush, It is Good for the United States. So now we finally have proof that there is no custom made 36 foot lobst= er boat, just that modest 25 foot fishing boat. Sooner or later all liars get caught in their lies. Did you get that "proof" notarized and certified? Yes. And who in ther right mind really cares if Krause has one leaky canoe or a fleet of new Hinkley's? rusty redcloud No one. However it was nice to see the liar get tripped up in his own li= es. How about YOUR lies, Jim? |
wrote in message ups.com... *JimH* wrote: "Red Cloud©" wrote in message ... On Wed, 8 Jun 2005 14:07:35 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote: "John Jay" wrote in message ... It is good to see you finally admit you only have one boat. The truth will set you free. ; ) "HarryKrause" wrote in message ... wrote: During hurricane season, fixed docks make me crazy as there is no good way to either keep your boat from beating itself to death against the pilings or when the storm surge really goes up impaling itself on the pilings. What a stupid situation. So......What we really need is a sort of ratcheting device that keeps your boat centered between pilings based on the differential tension on docklines. It'd be spring loaded to either take line in or let it out depending on differential load. It'd require no power of course. It'd allow your boat to rise or fall a lot to take up storm surge but would keep her centered 'tween pilings. The real problem I see is how to attach said device to the boat and every boat differs. Fitting it would be empirical for each situation and I assume it would be kinda expensive. What Y'all think? I think I'll do what I did last time: store my boat on the high and dry. -- If it is Bad for Bush, It is Good for the United States. So now we finally have proof that there is no custom made 36 foot lobster boat, just that modest 25 foot fishing boat. Sooner or later all liars get caught in their lies. Did you get that "proof" notarized and certified? Yes. And who in ther right mind really cares if Krause has one leaky canoe or a fleet of new Hinkley's? rusty redcloud No one. However it was nice to see the liar get tripped up in his own lies. How about YOUR lies, Jim? |
wrote in message ups.com... *JimH* wrote: "Red Cloud©" wrote in message ... On Wed, 8 Jun 2005 14:07:35 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote: "John Jay" wrote in message ... It is good to see you finally admit you only have one boat. The truth will set you free. ; ) "HarryKrause" wrote in message ... wrote: During hurricane season, fixed docks make me crazy as there is no good way to either keep your boat from beating itself to death against the pilings or when the storm surge really goes up impaling itself on the pilings. What a stupid situation. So......What we really need is a sort of ratcheting device that keeps your boat centered between pilings based on the differential tension on docklines. It'd be spring loaded to either take line in or let it out depending on differential load. It'd require no power of course. It'd allow your boat to rise or fall a lot to take up storm surge but would keep her centered 'tween pilings. The real problem I see is how to attach said device to the boat and every boat differs. Fitting it would be empirical for each situation and I assume it would be kinda expensive. What Y'all think? I think I'll do what I did last time: store my boat on the high and dry. -- If it is Bad for Bush, It is Good for the United States. So now we finally have proof that there is no custom made 36 foot lobster boat, just that modest 25 foot fishing boat. Sooner or later all liars get caught in their lies. Did you get that "proof" notarized and certified? Yes. And who in ther right mind really cares if Krause has one leaky canoe or a fleet of new Hinkley's? rusty redcloud No one. However it was nice to see the liar get tripped up in his own lies. How about YOUR lies, Jim? ======== What lies Kevin? |
I apologize for crossposting this. I did not realize it was also posting to
your forum. Sorry. |
"*JimH*" wrote in message ... wrote in message ups.com... *JimH* wrote: "Red Cloud©" wrote in message ... On Wed, 8 Jun 2005 14:07:35 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote: "John Jay" wrote in message ... It is good to see you finally admit you only have one boat. The truth will set you free. ; ) "HarryKrause" wrote in message ... wrote: During hurricane season, fixed docks make me crazy as there is no good way to either keep your boat from beating itself to death against the pilings or when the storm surge really goes up impaling itself on the pilings. What a stupid situation. So......What we really need is a sort of ratcheting device that keeps your boat centered between pilings based on the differential tension on docklines. It'd be spring loaded to either take line in or let it out depending on differential load. It'd require no power of course. It'd allow your boat to rise or fall a lot to take up storm surge but would keep her centered 'tween pilings. The real problem I see is how to attach said device to the boat and every boat differs. Fitting it would be empirical for each situation and I assume it would be kinda expensive. What Y'all think? I think I'll do what I did last time: store my boat on the high and dry. -- If it is Bad for Bush, It is Good for the United States. So now we finally have proof that there is no custom made 36 foot lobster boat, just that modest 25 foot fishing boat. Sooner or later all liars get caught in their lies. Did you get that "proof" notarized and certified? Yes. And who in ther right mind really cares if Krause has one leaky canoe or a fleet of new Hinkley's? rusty redcloud No one. However it was nice to see the liar get tripped up in his own lies. How about YOUR lies, Jim? ======== What lies Kevin? Kevin whining abotu lies? Priceless. No wonder remains the "King" |
Terry Spragg and Michael Gardner get the prize for the best idea. I
actually considered this awhile back but balked at : Salt water induced corrossion (solvable I admit) Making semi-permanent mods to the dock Oysters growing on the cable keeping it from working (prob not a real problem) Now, after your posts, maybe you mean for temporary use. Perhaps just before a storm, at low tide, attach say 3/4" nylon to base of piling and to upper end. Use a very thick UHMW plastic/glass reinforced figure eight sliding on it (or something else like it) and attached to the boat. Only problem is that the boat can still rise only as high as the piling top. |
In article . com,
wrote: During hurricane season, fixed docks make me crazy as there is no good way to either keep your boat from beating itself to death against the pilings or when the storm surge really goes up impaling itself on the pilings. What a stupid situation. ONLY if you only consider the pilings next to your boat. Using just those, the boats in our marina survived (just) Isabelle's surge that exceeded normal high tide by about 6 feet. Water was 3-4' above the docks and usually is 2-4' below. I believe, but am not sure, that it was called an 11 foot surge. The primary change everyone made was to move their dock lines from the dock level to the top of the pilings (3' or so) and sieze them in place with nail driven in above and bent over the lines. The pictures of all the boats lined up with no dock or pilings or shore in sight, just water and a couple of treetops, no visible means of support, were neat, but .... the water was flat, wind was coming over the hill, no shock from bucking around. Got scared by that so started thinking: Our dock lines are set to just keep us off the pilings and dock in normal conditions, a 4-6 foot range of tides. There's enough slack to let us slide a good 10' out the open end. (assume crossed stern lines at the dock, bow out. Spring lines from the outer pilings keep us off the dock but there's no practical limit to how far we can slide out.) What if we add a second set of heavier lines that go one slip further over to each side, set to keep us in the same locus? Instead of the stern lines being 15' long, they'd be 35' or so. Bow lines could be similarly lengthened, but they're naturally quite long. Springs are less of a problem, since the boat can slide out with impunity as long as it stays in that "lane". Discussed it with the guys I most trust. They liked it, so I got 200' of line and implemented it the next storm scare. Had it tracked in, I would have freed or cut the normal lines and depended upon the new lines. All things considered, I think I would have felt safer with that than hauling, since a few boats and a couple of cars in the parking lot floated away during Isabelle. Dock boxes probably wound up in the next state. -- Jere Lull Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD) Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
"John Jay" wrote in message ... It is good to see you finally admit you only have one boat. The truth will set you free. ; ) Krause has no boat, and I *know* it. I've noticed (through the cracks) that he has tripled his efforts to "prove" he has a boat. He thinks it would give him more credibility, or maybe fit in better, I don't know. But I do know it is obvious he is getting his info off the internet. Our boatless village idiot Krause is a fake...and a liar...it has been proven...period... -- -Netsock "It's just about going fast...that's all..." http://home.columbus.rr.com/ckg/ |
"Netsock" wrote in message ... "John Jay" wrote in message ... It is good to see you finally admit you only have one boat. The truth will set you free. ; ) Krause has no boat, and I *know* it. I've noticed (through the cracks) that he has tripled his efforts to "prove" he has a boat. He thinks it would give him more credibility, or maybe fit in better, I don't know. But I do know it is obvious he is getting his info off the internet. Our boatless village idiot Krause is a fake...and a liar...it has been proven...period... Krause is an idiot but generally not a liar. He does, indeed, have a boat. It's not much of a boat and it has a stupid, embarrassing name but I guess it could be called a boat . . . See for your yourself: http://thebayguide.com/rec.boats/harry_krause.html CN |
"HarryKrause" wrote in message ... Capt. Neal® wrote: "Netsock" wrote in message ... "John Jay" wrote in message ... It is good to see you finally admit you only have one boat. The truth will set you free. ; ) Krause has no boat, and I *know* it. I've noticed (through the cracks) that he has tripled his efforts to "prove" he has a boat. He thinks it would give him more credibility, or maybe fit in better, I don't know. But I do know it is obvious he is getting his info off the internet. Our boatless village idiot Krause is a fake...and a liar...it has been proven...period... Krause is an idiot but generally not a liar. He does, indeed, have a boat. It's not much of a boat and it has a stupid, embarrassing name but I guess it could be called a boat . . . See for your yourself: http://thebayguide.com/rec.boats/harry_krause.html CN Yep, that would be one of them. As for your opinion of the boat, Kneel, consider that: * the trailer it sits on is worth more than your clapped-out, smelly old sailbote... * the boat is named after our favorite "ride" at WDW, Pirates of the Carib... What's your sailbote's name, Kneel? "Stinky" My sailboat is the envy of the Eastern seaboard. I call her "Cut the Mustard." You may feast your eyes on her and her many to-die-for attributes he http://captneal.homestead.com/index.html CN |
"HarryKrause" wrote in message ... Capt. Neal® wrote: "HarryKrause" wrote in message ... Capt. Neal® wrote: http://thebayguide.com/rec.boats/harry_krause.html CN Yep, that would be one of them. As for your opinion of the boat, Kneel, consider that: * the trailer it sits on is worth more than your clapped-out, smelly old sailbote... * the boat is named after our favorite "ride" at WDW, Pirates of the Carib... What's your sailbote's name, Kneel? "Stinky" My sailboat is the envy of the Eastern seaboard. I call her "Cut the Mustard." You may feast your eyes on her and her many to-die-for attributes he http://captneal.homestead.com/index.html CN I dunno, Kneel...you really live on that boat? It's not much bigger below decks than the average refrigerator box a homeless guy might like. The purple upholstery looks pretty slick, though, and I like your nav station. You've done some nice work on that boat. Believe it or not, our Parker, which, by the way, is substantially larger than your sailbote, has a funky little galley with a sink similar to yours, a double burner stovetop, running water, and a refrigerator/icemaker. I store plastic fishing gear boxes in the refrigerator. There's also an electric flush toilet in the forward part of the cabin. Despite the amenities, though, it ain't a cruising boat. It's for fishing. Here's the nav station. http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y134/stillanon/nav.jpg By the way, "John Jay" is a usenet troller who has at least 45 different "identities" he uses. We call him "Smithers." He is one of the ranking pus-filled rectal fissures of the known universe. Caveat emptor. Trolls, netKKKops and Usenet stalkers can't touch me. I'm immune because I finally got a REAL newsserver who doesn't cow tow to all that harassment. I was just kidding about your boat. Actually, it looks quite functional. I'm sure it's a good all-weather boat. Ever think of installing twin outboards for reliability and maneuverability? CN |
HarryKrause wrote:
What's your sailbote's name, Kneel? "Stinky" More like.. 'Gone Postal' |
HarryKrause wrote:
Well, at least he's funny once in a while. That puts him a few rungs higher up on the ladder than most of the right-wing fruit flies swarming in here. You get those too? It's almost the season when they breakout here. It's been much worse since we have to separate out 'organics' and keep them around for 'green cart' pickup. |
Jere Lull wrote:
In article . com, wrote: During hurricane season, fixed docks make me crazy as there is no good way to either keep your boat from beating itself to death against the pilings or when the storm surge really goes up impaling itself on the pilings. What a stupid situation. ONLY if you only consider the pilings next to your boat. Using just those, the boats in our marina survived (just) Isabelle's surge that exceeded normal high tide by about 6 feet. Water was 3-4' above the docks and usually is 2-4' below. I believe, but am not sure, that it was called an 11 foot surge. The primary change everyone made was to move their dock lines from the dock level to the top of the pilings (3' or so) and sieze them in place with nail driven in above and bent over the lines. The pictures of all the boats lined up with no dock or pilings or shore in sight, just water and a couple of treetops, no visible means of support, were neat, but .... the water was flat, wind was coming over the hill, no shock from bucking around. Got scared by that so started thinking: Our dock lines are set to just keep us off the pilings and dock in normal conditions, a 4-6 foot range of tides. There's enough slack to let us slide a good 10' out the open end. (assume crossed stern lines at the dock, bow out. Spring lines from the outer pilings keep us off the dock but there's no practical limit to how far we can slide out.) What if we add a second set of heavier lines that go one slip further over to each side, set to keep us in the same locus? Instead of the stern lines being 15' long, they'd be 35' or so. Bow lines could be similarly lengthened, but they're naturally quite long. Springs are less of a problem, since the boat can slide out with impunity as long as it stays in that "lane". Discussed it with the guys I most trust. They liked it, so I got 200' of line and implemented it the next storm scare. Had it tracked in, I would have freed or cut the normal lines and depended upon the new lines. All things considered, I think I would have felt safer with that than hauling, since a few boats and a couple of cars in the parking lot floated away during Isabelle. Dock boxes probably wound up in the next state. The solution is spring lines. We did the same in Isabel and the surge got up to the top of the pilings. The biggest change was that we tied the bow lines to the pilings across the dock from us because close to us there were no pilings only cleats. The top picture at http://home.mindspring.com/~gmbeasley/id1.html shows the boat the next day at low tide. The boat next to us was hauled, so that made a good straight shot for the picture. grandma Rosalie |
Harry,
You are just upset because I pointed out your wife is a in house social worker for the Bricklayers Union. You can no longer use he to "prove" someone in rec.boats is mentally ill, or brag about her donating all his service pro bono. Have you ever told you wife about you being embarrassed about her chosen profession? I hope she doesn't read rec.boats, I am sure her feelings would be hurt. "HarryKrause" wrote in message ... Capt. Neal® wrote: "HarryKrause" wrote in message ... Capt. Neal® wrote: http://thebayguide.com/rec.boats/harry_krause.html CN Yep, that would be one of them. As for your opinion of the boat, Kneel, consider that: * the trailer it sits on is worth more than your clapped-out, smelly old sailbote... * the boat is named after our favorite "ride" at WDW, Pirates of the Carib... What's your sailbote's name, Kneel? "Stinky" My sailboat is the envy of the Eastern seaboard. I call her "Cut the Mustard." You may feast your eyes on her and her many to-die-for attributes he http://captneal.homestead.com/index.html CN I dunno, Kneel...you really live on that boat? It's not much bigger below decks than the average refrigerator box a homeless guy might like. The purple upholstery looks pretty slick, though, and I like your nav station. You've done some nice work on that boat. Believe it or not, our Parker, which, by the way, is substantially larger than your sailbote, has a funky little galley with a sink similar to yours, a double burner stovetop, running water, and a refrigerator/icemaker. I store plastic fishing gear boxes in the refrigerator. There's also an electric flush toilet in the forward part of the cabin. Despite the amenities, though, it ain't a cruising boat. It's for fishing. Here's the nav station. http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y134/stillanon/nav.jpg By the way, "John Jay" is a usenet troller who has at least 45 different "identities" he uses. We call him "Smithers." He is one of the ranking pus-filled rectal fissures of the known universe. Caveat emptor. -- If it is Bad for Bush, It is Good for the United States. |
Rosalie B. wrote in
: http://home.mindspring.com/~gmbeasley/id1.html What a beautiful boat. Thanks for the link! We'll be watching for more. Glad she wasn't damaged.... -- Larry You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and your outlined in chalk. |
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