Shame it's turning into another alt.sailing.asa. When you move the site and
get back to interesting subjects relating to boats let me know.

M.

Michael wrote:

Shame it's turning into another alt.sailing.asa. When you move the site and
get back to interesting subjects relating to boats let me know.

M.




Why can't you just read the messages you want and delete the rest
undread? The only place this or any newsgroup can be ruined is in the
minds of the participants. As long as boaters continue to post boating
messages, no one can "ruin the newsgroup."

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Stephen

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For any proposition there is always some sufficiently narrow
interpretation of its terms, such that it turns out true, and
some sufficiently wide interpretation such that it turns out
false...concept stretching will refute *any* statement, and will
leave no true statement whatsoever.
-- Imre Lakatos

"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
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Michael wrote:

Shame it's turning into another alt.sailing.asa. When you move the site
and
get back to interesting subjects relating to boats let me know.

M.




Why can't you just read the messages you want and delete the rest undread?
The only place this or any newsgroup can be ruined is in the minds of the
participants. As long as boaters continue to post boating messages, no one
can "ruin the newsgroup."

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Stephen

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For any proposition there is always some sufficiently narrow
interpretation of its terms, such that it turns out true, and
some sufficiently wide interpretation such that it turns out
false...concept stretching will refute *any* statement, and will
leave no true statement whatsoever.
-- Imre Lakatos

And, it's pretty easy to filter out what you don't want to read, so you
don't have to read it in the first place. Too bad not enough people do that
instead. We've all been guilty of it, but all it takes is some
self-restraint.

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

I use Thunderbird to read newsgroups. I added a filter to delete the
message and kill the thread if a sender contains the word "Remailer".
This morning there were 111 headers in r.b.c. When I selected the group,
the number dropped down to 18 - all real content!!!

Cindy Ballreich wrote:
I use Thunderbird to read newsgroups. I added a filter to delete the
message and kill the thread if a sender contains the word "Remailer".
This morning there were 111 headers in r.b.c. When I selected the group,
the number dropped down to 18 - all real content!!!

Add NFILTER to that to kill all crossposts. Then it starts to look
like it used to.

Thunderbird should have this capability, but for some reason they have
it disabled.

In article ,
age says...


On Thu, 26 May 2005 15:47:26 GMT, Cindy Ballreich
wrote:

I use Thunderbird to read newsgroups. I added a filter to delete the
message and kill the thread if a sender contains the word "Remailer".
This morning there were 111 headers in r.b.c. When I selected the group,
the number dropped down to 18 - all real content!!!

Indeed. I really appreciate Agent for reading text type news, so I
have been forced to invoke other filtering software, but it *IS*
possible to eliminate the unwanted and unwarranted chatter.
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29 articles. 21 killed.

On 26 May 2005, Cindy wrote:
I added a filter to delete the
message and kill the thread if a sender contains the word "Remailer".

You kill the whole thread??
There's gotta be a better way. When a troll see this, you know he's
gonna be tempted to reply here... and he won't even have to say
anything, just click the Reply button to kill your thread.

This morning there were 111 headers in r.b.c. When I selected the group,
the number dropped down to 18 - all real content!!!

But in some cases you'e throwing the baby out with the bath water.
Filters can be overdone.

Me, I killfilter messages of known trolls too, but as for threads, I
filter only the ones that trolls initiate. That helps a lot.

The Delete key is your friend. So is the manual "Ignore" button.

Rick

lid wrote:
You kill the whole thread??
There's gotta be a better way. When a troll see this, you know he's
gonna be tempted to reply here... and he won't even have to say
anything, just click the Reply button to kill your thread.

My experience is that there are so many people who (for what ever
reason) just can't NOT reply to a troll that the threads are unreadable
anyway. Of course, this seems to depend on the troll. Jax will create a
few flames so I just killfile him and ignore the noise. Neal triggers so
much disruption that it poisons the thread. It's the same deal with with
these anon-remailer-crosspost folks. They rarely start threads here.


But in some cases you'e throwing the baby out with the bath water.
Filters can be overdone.

Me, I killfilter messages of known trolls too, but as for threads, I
filter only the ones that trolls initiate. That helps a lot.

I know I lose some good content. If I had the time, I'd set up a more
sophisticated news reader with better filtration. Right now, sifting
through the chafe to find a few grains of wheat isn't worth the effort.
I can still find specific content with Google if I need it.

It makes me really sad that this situation exists. 80% of my email is
spam. My favorite newsgroups are flooded with trolls. The best mailing
list I've ever been on has been shut down by the owner's isp because
they think it's spam. The web is still useful, but the rest of the
internet's going to hell.

Time to shut off the computer and go sailing.


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The email address above is a spam trap. Don't expect a response.
Reach me using firstname at lastname dot net

Cindy Ballreich wrote:

lid wrote:

You kill the whole thread??
There's gotta be a better way. When a troll see this, you know he's
gonna be tempted to reply here... and he won't even have to say
anything, just click the Reply button to kill your thread.


My experience is that there are so many people who (for what ever
reason) just can't NOT reply to a troll that the threads are unreadable
anyway. Of course, this seems to depend on the troll. Jax will create a
few flames so I just killfile him and ignore the noise. Neal triggers so
much disruption that it poisons the thread. It's the same deal with with
these anon-remailer-crosspost folks. They rarely start threads here.


But in some cases you'e throwing the baby out with the bath water.
Filters can be overdone.

Me, I killfilter messages of known trolls too, but as for threads, I
filter only the ones that trolls initiate. That helps a lot.


I know I lose some good content. If I had the time, I'd set up a more
sophisticated news reader with better filtration. Right now, sifting
through the chafe to find a few grains of wheat isn't worth the effort.
I can still find specific content with Google if I need it.

It makes me really sad that this situation exists. 80% of my email is
spam. My favorite newsgroups are flooded with trolls. The best mailing
list I've ever been on has been shut down by the owner's isp because
they think it's spam. The web is still useful, but the rest of the
internet's going to hell.

Time to shut off the computer and go sailing.

No need for sadness. I've been on a variety of newsgroups for a decade
or so, never once used a filter and never once been bothered by spammers
or trolls. It takes me about thirty seconds to scroll down through all
the subject headers. If I see a subject and author that looks
interesting, I read the entire message. Once I get to the end of the
subject lines I go up to the "Message" menu pick "Mark as read" and then
all the **** messages are marked as if I read them, never to bother me
again.

Maybe you all need better newsreader software?


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Stephen

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For any proposition there is always some sufficiently narrow
interpretation of its terms, such that it turns out true, and
some sufficiently wide interpretation such that it turns out
false...concept stretching will refute *any* statement, and will
leave no true statement whatsoever.
-- Imre Lakatos

On 27 May 2005, Stephen Trapani wrote:
thirty seconds to scroll down through all
the subject headers. If I see a subject and author that looks
interesting, I read the entire message. Once I get to the end of the
subject lines I go up to the "Message" menu pick "Mark as read"

Similar here except I mark the uninteresting and hijacked threads
"Ignore". Saves the time of skipping them again on future header
downloads.

Maybe you all need better newsreader software?

Define "better". I've tried quite a few (including T'bird) and
haven't found anything faster, more stable, less bloated, more
configurable, etc than Agent for non-binary newsgroups. Granted, it
has a longer/taller learning curve than most.

Rick