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Freddy Smithers drooled:
snip normally the technique to deal with anencephalics such as this one is to *plonk* but in this case, the correct response is to *FLUSH* |
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"Tamaroak" wrote in message ... And a very high percentage of these liberals, like me, are decorated Vietnam era vets who really know what it was like to be in the service, a concept lost to "leaders" like AWOL bush, "had-better-things-to-do" Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and the rest of these chickenhawks who think nothing of sending our troops into battle to enrich themselves and their friends. Where were you from 1962 to 1972? Defending your country or shooting off your mouth like you are today? Capt. Jeff With respect Sir: I was here during those years and I heard all the rhetoric and saw what was being done. The horrible waste of men who died while the generals were forced to fight a war micromanaged by President Johnson. I remember when President Nixon was elected, he mined the harbors in N. Vietnam to keep arms from our allies (France, Germany, Russia and England) from being delivered to Vietnam. This killed no one and saved our soldiers lives. WHY didn't Johnson do that??????? He didn't have the guts to stand up and defend our guys, they were cannon fodder to him. He was more concerned with world opinion. A Kerry, Clinton or liberal viewpoint. There are Democrats, many of them who are NOT of this mind set but they would never get the nomination in the current Democrat party. It is not healthy for our country for one party to hold the reigns of power for too long. We, all of us need to do something to change the leadership of the Democrat party or this will become a one party country and we are headed down the tubes. Belittling the Republicans won't do it, changing the democrat party to reflect the values of the red states (who are mainly democrat anyway) is the way to go. |
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"jps" wrote in message ... In article , says... The point that seems to fly right over the liberal pointy head is the following: Liberals use soldiers to further liberal pacifist ends and dishonor soldiers and their families by bitching and complaining about conditions the soldiers themselves accept glady in service to their country. Whooohoooo, there's a head-up-the-ass statement if I've ever heard one. Lack of proper vests, lack of properly armored vehicles that don't protect against roadside bombs??? Having to fight in an urban setting without proper training? Having to fight for a year in a dubious war when your wife and kids are at home wondering if you'll return? Going into debt because you've been shipped overseas to fight in a war without proper planning or intelligence? You think these are accepted gladly? What an idiot. Liberals have forgotten that liberty comes at the cost of patriotic lives.Rather than appreciate the brave and loyal men and women who lay down their lives for the good of all, liberals dishonor them by counting their deaths and using their sacfifices to attempt to futher the dishonorable liberal mindset. Did we need to invade Iraq to maintain our freedom? ALL valid points. A lesson on our political system. After the collapse of the Eastern block and the questionable end of the cold war there was talk of future threats. Since no one could fight us one on one in a conventional war, terrorism from unaccountable third parties like what we have now seemed to be the new threat. Nixon realized this might be a possibility and GAVE the Russians plans for FAIL SAFE nuclear detonation systems so that they could make their bombs terrorist proof. At the same time our intelligence network has had samples of nuclear material and spectrographs of detonations so they could determine where the nuclear material came from if a blast took place anywhere in the world. Something like we do with explosives now ( trace elements are added to explosives when they are made that fingerprint them so they can be traced if used illegally). So we knew that terrorism was the new threat but little money was spent on intelligence because it wasn't politically a priority. In fact LESS was spent! The point IS that in our system money is spent after the fact because while we have smart people they can't get heard. If we are going to have an after the fact system we need the military more than ever. AND every once in a while the world needs to be reminded that in addition to having a nuclear capability that no one can stand up to we also have a conventional capability that can't be withstood. Just as people need to be reminded that they are accountable, that there are laws and limits that will be enforced so do dictators and corporations. (I added that for the anti big business liberals, they are right about that.) The UN has recently become a joke where countries that have the worst civil rights violations are now in control of the committees in the UN that police violations. Open societies with a free press and a guarantee of civil liberties are the answer. Changing Iraq from a dictatorship that caused two regional wars and hundreds of thousands of deaths to an open society is necessary. SO the only valid argument is why us? Did we need to invade Iraq to maintain our freedom? In the short term no but the answer is more complicated than that. We could have spent billions a year to contain Iraq instead of the 100 billion or more that it will take to end Addams threat permanently. Our presence and mission was a continuing sore point in the region. It could not continue for long before we inflamed more and more sentiment against us. So our choice was to: 1) continue with the current suppression missions, 2) Leave and allow another war in the region or 3) End Saddams reign of terror. Option 3 also means that we would have to protect Iraq against Syria, Iran and Turkey as well as rebuild the country so that it could govern and protect itself. Oh, one other point. These unaccountable third parties that commit terrorism are harbored and sponsored by countries such as Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Syria and others. Cross Afghanistan and Iraq off the list, with pressure from us I think we can cross Pakistan off the list (still needs to be watched). |
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On Fri, 20 May 2005 19:00:02 -0700, jps wrote:
"Liberalism is a mental disorder" |
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