Roger Long wrote:
Was this originally a loose footed sail? If so, loose foot does have
some advantages. If not, you can't convert it to loose foot because
the sail has to be cut and constructed differently.


No...it has the bolt rope on the foot and luff. The foot isn't a big
deal to me at this point...I mainly want to be able to raise and lower
the main from the cockpit.
note: my crew is slightly questionable (wife)

Don White wrote:

Roger Long wrote:

Was this originally a loose footed sail? If so, loose foot does have
some advantages. If not, you can't convert it to loose foot because
the sail has to be cut and constructed differently.


No...it has the bolt rope on the foot and luff. The foot isn't a big
deal to me at this point...I mainly want to be able to raise and lower
the main from the cockpit.
note: my crew is slightly questionable (wife)

If you can pull down the jib (or furl it, not so desirable, for me)
from the cockpit using a downhaul line, reefing the main then
becomes much easier, especially if you can steer the boat should it
stall and go backwards. At this point, the tiller becomes a little
wilful, but steering so as to keep the main almost over the boat
while it is being allowed to drop by it's own weight to be reefed is
not as difficult as it mighty seem. Just be sure you let the
mainsheet ease somewhat while you reef. I have very seldom been in
such a situation, but I was at the mast and frau was getting yelled
at: "Keep it headed upwind!" It's confusing, the first time. Some
boats will sail well in reverse, and some will scare hell out of
you, but will do it anyway. You should practice when you don't need
to. If you get turned so the sail slides jam, you must sail a reach
a little bit, then head up and get the main down. A smooth set of
slides should come down easy, so long as you don't allow the sail to
lean on the spreaders. Reefing lines to the cockpit is not all that
hard to rig if you spend a few bucks for tackle.

With no jib, and even a main hanging in bags, you should still be
able to sail, more or less to a close reach, and reef the main.
Then, rehoist the working jib, or a yankee cut self tender, and sail
on. Provided you have sea room, of course. Pay attention! Reef early!

If you are getting old and stiff, like me, it is still not so much
effort that I get out of breath. As far as falling off, because of
insufficient strength to clamer about, well, if you are getting
there, it may be time for a steamboat with a cabin boy.

A little adrenalin when you get scared can do wonders, if you don't
give in to panic.

Terry K

Terry Spragg wrote:

If you can pull down the jib (or furl it, not so desirable, for me)
from the cockpit using a downhaul line, reefing the main then
becomes much easier, especially if you can steer the boat should it
stall and go backwards. At this point, the tiller becomes a little
wilful, but steering so as to keep the main almost over the boat
while it is being allowed to drop by it's own weight to be reefed is
not as difficult as it mighty seem.

Rather than the downhaul, why not fit an eye in the luff at the reef
height? Simple hook, block & inexpensive block at the deck makes a
cockpit reef haul at the ready.

If one is inexperienced, or nervous, and alone or with questionable
crew, why not reef in irons? Once the luff has been hauled down the
rest is fairly fast despite the flapping, and if one is nervous or
scared (or starting to head off & heel) one doesn't have to get all of
them tied in one whack, either.

If his luff is sticky or less-than-fast/easy to lower/raise than with
slides, it seems more likely that the boltrope is incorrectly sized for
the mast slot or swollen with age, probably the latter? It should drop
smartly by its own weight when out of the wind. I'd correct that
instead of adding more hardware to screw with, no?

wrote:

Terry Spragg wrote:
If you can pull down the jib (or furl it, not so desirable, for me)
from the cockpit using a downhaul line, reefing the main then
becomes much easier, especially if you can steer the boat should it
stall and go backwards. At this point, the tiller becomes a little
wilful, but steering so as to keep the main almost over the boat
while it is being allowed to drop by it's own weight to be reefed is
not as difficult as it mighty seem.


Rather than the downhaul, why not fit an eye in the luff at the reef
height? Simple hook, block & inexpensive block at the deck makes a
cockpit reef haul at the ready.

That is a possibility, but I meant to impress all with the fact that
it is less hectic to reef the main if you can depower (furl, douse)
the jib easily from the cockpit first. Buy a piece of light line,
bowline it to the top hank of the jib, lead it down to a small block
at the forepeak, lead it back to the cockpit. Hitch the end to a
stanction base or cleat, and you can tame and imprison the jib from
the cockpit in a tornado. Do it first.

If one is inexperienced, or nervous, and alone or with questionable
crew, why not reef in irons? Once the luff has been hauled down the
rest is fairly fast despite the flapping, and if one is nervous or
scared (or starting to head off & heel) one doesn't have to get all of
them tied in one whack, either.

If you sit, or try to sit in irons, the boat will start to go in
reverse. No problem, if you expect it and have practiced steering
while sailing in reverse. If you freak out, the tiller or wheel will
flop hard over one way or the other and the boat will turn with a
will, and perform some gyrations while you cower in the footwell,
unless you take charge.

Better to bag along on a close reach while reefing. The main reef
outhaul should be rigged to the gooseneck, ready to haul out the
reef clew when needed. I have two, permanently reeved and ready to
use. Once back under way, I can snap off the main outhaul purchase,
and snap it on to the reef clew, and really flatten the main. If
desired, all this could be led to the cockpit, along with the main
halyard, for sit-at-home reefing of the main. However, all them
extra turning blocks can cock-up and can make it neccessary to have
a stronger halyard winch, and even a reef tack downhaul winch, all
cluttering up the 'pit, and resulting in a can of worms at your
feet. Reefing from the mast base is more demanding physically, but
it is simpler. Loose the main halyard 2 feet, or to a mark, sieze
the reef tack to the gooseneck, using a short line or a reefing
hook, haul on the reef tack outhaul, retension the main halyard, and
you're done. Under a minute, with practice.


If his luff is sticky or less-than-fast/easy to lower/raise than with
slides, it seems more likely that the boltrope is incorrectly sized for
the mast slot or swollen with age, probably the latter? It should drop
smartly by its own weight when out of the wind. I'd correct that
instead of adding more hardware to screw with, no?

Well, yes! you wouldn't drive a car if the accellerator had a habit
of sticking to the floor would you? The sail should always fall down
of it's own weight in the calm. When wung out in a broach and
snuggled up to a spreader in a ferocious squall, no sail will come
down at all. Keep headed into the wind, or a close reach, and fix
the luff slides.

I would install slides if they are not fitted. Proper slides do not
require lubricant. Reefing with a bolt rope is begging to loose the
whole mains'l into a falling circus tent stunt loose all over the
place, with you the human cannonball inside. The bitter end of the
halyard must be stoppered to the halyard cleat, or you could lose it
in a blow. Proper working luff slides and a slide gate stopper are
essential, as is practice beforehand, and vigilant foresight all
around for weather.

Rigging 2 reef tackles along with a cunningham can get busy, so to
simplify that, I use a downhaul on the goosneck, which is on a short
track. If set up right, the cunningham gooseneck can be used to
stretch the luff wether it is full, or reefed. When reefed, you
would naturally want a flat main. Often, just flattening the jib and
main will substitute for a first reef. Really flat sails can be
flown with little incidence and reduced power, but flying such a rig
would tire out even a woodpecker pretty fast, not to mention
flogging the roach. It takes real concentration.

Most new sailors take too long to master the art of controlling the
power their sails swallow from the wind. One suspects they don't
want to go out in the bay on a fine day and make a spectacle of
themselves, sailing in reverse while reefing, heaveing to 'till it's
second nature, and learn to balance their sails so they can steer
without using the tiller. Once learned, it is like riding a bike
while standing on your head on the saddle, easy as eating cannonball
pie.

Terry K

On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 21:51:21 -0300, Terry Spragg
wrote:

Most new sailors take too long to master the art of controlling the
power their sails swallow from the wind. One suspects they don't
want to go out in the bay on a fine day and make a spectacle of
themselves, sailing in reverse while reefing, heaveing to 'till it's
second nature, and learn to balance their sails so they can steer
without using the tiller. Once learned, it is like riding a bike
while standing on your head on the saddle, easy as eating cannonball
pie.

Terry K

snipped for size Sterling advice on every point (learned personally
the hard way, alas), and I can tell it would be a pleasure to sail
with such a knowledgable and unflappable sailor as yourself.

The basics of sailing are well-known, but to get the most of your
boat, you have to go out in all weathers and tweak until you find both
the boat's sweet spots and the best order and methods by which you can
sail efficiently. I know some veteran sailors who really don't "get"
concepts like bagging out the foot, using the Cunningham or slacking
off a backstay on certain points of sail. The controls *do* make a
diference, and not only on the racecourse, but in better cruising.

R.