Dave wrote:

On Wed, 11 May 2005 20:32:22 -0700, Stephen Trapani
said:


A wetsuit might keep you warm but it has nowhere near the bouyancy of a PFD.


I haven't been in a wetsuit since my days as a Navy diver 35 years ago, but
I recall the wetsuit's providing plenty of buoyancy. That's why you had to
wear a weight belt. The difference is that the buoyancy is spread out over
your body, instead of being concentrated in the upper part, so there isn't
the same righting moment keeping your head above water and feet down. Could
be significant if you're unconscious.

I strongly suggest the original poster test his theory by trying to
float for an hour or so in his wet suit, *without fins* which is
something he's probably never done before.

Upon completion of this task put on a PFD and note the difference. I
contend this will end all thoughts of substituting his PFD with a wetsuit.

Stephen

May I recommend a Kokotat dry suit. They are breathable and comfortable
(especially with the removable neck ring). It doesn't replace a pfd but
if I had to choose between the two I would take the dry suit. Probably
the best combo would be the dry suit with an inflatable pfd.

Wetsuits are hot, restrictive, and stinky. I used to kayak with
wetsuits but the very best way to go is a breathable dry suit.

LG

Don White wrote:
I was planning to buy one if I had kept my CL14 daysailer. Probably
won't bother now that I have a bigger mini-cruising sailboat.

I started using mine a few years after we got our 28 footer. We were
going Killarney-Toby in squally conditions where you could see the
cells coming from a long way off. Instead of getting the gore-tex on and
off all day, and soaking the interior of the boat, I put the wetsuit on.
Very confortable ride. There are times when the drops come in
sideways, even on our mini-cruiser.

Stephen Trapani wrote:

I strongly suggest the original poster test his theory by trying to
float for an hour or so in his wet suit, *without fins* which is
something he's probably never done before.

Upon completion of this task put on a PFD and note the difference. I
contend this will end all thoughts of substituting his PFD with a wetsuit.

I don't think you've given any thought to the different thicknesses of
wetsuits. If you're thinking about the fashion-skins worn by
blasphemyjet-skiers/blasphemy then you're right -little to no
bouyancy- but anything actually made for diving will keep you at the
surface comfortably for _long_ periods of time.

prodigal1 wrote:

Stephen Trapani wrote:

I strongly suggest the original poster test his theory by trying to
float for an hour or so in his wet suit, *without fins* which is
something he's probably never done before.

Upon completion of this task put on a PFD and note the difference. I
contend this will end all thoughts of substituting his PFD with a
wetsuit.


I don't think you've given any thought to the different thicknesses of
wetsuits. If you're thinking about the fashion-skins worn by
blasphemyjet-skiers/blasphemy then you're right -little to no
bouyancy- but anything actually made for diving will keep you at the
surface comfortably for _long_ periods of time.

I am thinking of thick wetsuits. Mine is a 5/4 and I can tell you
without a doubt that without a floating device or fins it's not much
easier staying afloat with a wetsuit than it is without anything at all.
I swam competitively for seven years, played waterpolo, and surfed for
years with and without the wetsuit in heavy conditions, losing my board
on occasion.

Divers always use swim fins which are a huge help to staying afloat. Try
it without the fins.

Stephen

Stephen Trapani wrote:

prodigal1 wrote:

Stephen Trapani wrote:

I strongly suggest the original poster test his theory by trying to
float for an hour or so in his wet suit, *without fins* which is
something he's probably never done before.

Upon completion of this task put on a PFD and note the difference. I
contend this will end all thoughts of substituting his PFD with a
wetsuit.


I don't think you've given any thought to the different thicknesses of
wetsuits. If you're thinking about the fashion-skins worn by
blasphemyjet-skiers/blasphemy then you're right -little to no
bouyancy- but anything actually made for diving will keep you at the
surface comfortably for _long_ periods of time.

I am thinking of thick wetsuits. Mine is a 5/4 and I can tell you
without a doubt that without a floating device or fins it's not much
easier staying afloat with a wetsuit than it is without anything at all.
I swam competitively for seven years, played waterpolo, and surfed for
years with and without the wetsuit in heavy conditions, losing my board
on occasion.

Divers always use swim fins which are a huge help to staying afloat. Try
it without the fins.

How about without the fins AND without the weight belt.

I can easily stay afloat even without the wetsuit or a PFD and without
paddling or finning or anything unless I wear a weight belt - a weight
belt makes it harder.

I suspect that you have a typically low body fat and high muscular
development of a fit man, and I have the high body fat that hides
whatever muscles I have as an unfit old woman, and that will make a
difference in how much floating we do.

Having a wet suit WILL help you survive in cold water if you get
washed overboard whether you wear a PFD or not -- provided of course
that you are not knocked unconscious by the boom so that you can't
keep your head above water. IMO one of those auto-inflate PFDs would
be the boating equivalent of a BCD. I would not want to use a wet
suit of whatever thickness as a substitute for a PFD even though I can
float easily.

However, my preference would be to stay on the boat.

Whether a wet suit will work as foul weather gear (as in the title) -
well maybe. In our case the wetsuits are so much harder to put on
than the foul weather gear that it wouldn't be an attractive option.
Also it would be difficult for me to use the head with it on.

Because we don't actually wear foul weather gear much. Mostly we have
a pretty dry boat with a complete cockpit enclosure. So if we had to
wear foul weather gear to go out on the deck (and it would be pretty
rare unless we were possibly anchoring or something), then it could be
left to dry in the cockpit (I usually hang my coat on the wheel) and
we wouldn't have to drag it through the saloon or the aft cabin. So I
don't see that there is any advantage to it - at least for us.




grandma Rosalie

Speaking strictly in terms of flotation, I gotta go with Granny Rosie
on this one; a full-thickness wetsuit provides tons of flotation. It is
not, however, a PFD. It is also, IMO, not really good as foul weather
gear, except for short periods, like maybe Wednesday night
round-the-buoy racing. Even then, it's less comfortable and more
restrictive than some nice pile clothing under Gore-Tex outerwear. I
also agree that staying on the boat is best. Harness and tether are my
friends.

Frank wrote:
Speaking strictly in terms of flotation, I gotta go with Granny Rosie
on this one; a full-thickness wetsuit provides tons of flotation. It is
not, however, a PFD.

Agreed. Thick wetsuits tend to make one float legs-up.


... It is also, IMO, not really good as foul weather
gear, except for short periods, like maybe Wednesday night
round-the-buoy racing. Even then, it's less comfortable and more
restrictive than some nice pile clothing under Gore-Tex outerwear.

Well, the wetsuit makes great foul weather gear in it's own right. The
problem is getting it on & off, and it's habitability for more than a
few hours. Plus, it presumes one will be wet, which is less desirable
than staying dry.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
Frank wrote:
Speaking strictly in terms of flotation, I gotta go with Granny Rosie
on this one; a full-thickness wetsuit provides tons of flotation. It is
not, however, a PFD.

Agreed. Thick wetsuits tend to make one float legs-up.

That's true if it's a one-piece certainly or even if you have the farm-john
style with the jacket and separate bottoms, but if you wear the jacket
portion alone, you would float upper-body up... not necessarily face up,
however. And, you're legs would get cold, but you probably won't notice.

... It is also, IMO, not really good as foul weather
gear, except for short periods, like maybe Wednesday night
round-the-buoy racing. Even then, it's less comfortable and more
restrictive than some nice pile clothing under Gore-Tex outerwear.

Well, the wetsuit makes great foul weather gear in it's own right. The
problem is getting it on & off, and it's habitability for more than a few
hours. Plus, it presumes one will be wet, which is less desirable than
staying dry.

Chafing can become an issue... talc helps with that and donning, but not
removing. When I used to dive a lot, we must have looked pretty comical
trying to help each other remove wetsuits.

JG wrote:
"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
Frank wrote:
Speaking strictly in terms of flotation, I gotta go with Granny
Rosie
on this one; a full-thickness wetsuit provides tons of flotation.
It is
not, however, a PFD.

Agreed. Thick wetsuits tend to make one float legs-up.

That's true if it's a one-piece certainly or even if you have the
farm-john
style with the jacket and separate bottoms, but if you wear the
jacket
portion alone, you would float upper-body up... not necessarily face
up,
however. And, you're legs would get cold, but you probably won't
notice.

... It is also, IMO, not really good as foul weather
gear, except for short periods, like maybe Wednesday night
round-the-buoy racing. Even then, it's less comfortable and more
restrictive than some nice pile clothing under Gore-Tex outerwear.

Well, the wetsuit makes great foul weather gear in it's own right.
The
problem is getting it on & off, and it's habitability for more than
a few
hours. Plus, it presumes one will be wet, which is less desirable
than
staying dry.

Chafing can become an issue... talc helps with that and donning, but
not
removing. When I used to dive a lot, we must have looked pretty
comical
trying to help each other remove wetsuits.

I used to use talc; but a decade or so ago I bought one of those
one-piece nylon skinsuits. If you wear that under the wetsuit, it
really helps getting it on and off.

None of this addresses the issue of urinating easily. A drysuit with a
crotch zipper would work then; but in that case you may as well
buy/wear pile and Gore-tex.