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Roger Long wrote: Peggie, Will all the nasties have died in the last six years or are they just lying dormant in permeated hoses and other places waiting to blossom into life as soon as the salt water hits. One way to find out: it's not salt water that'll "wake up" any permeated hoses...it's warmth. So you can find out very quickly whether the hoses have become permeated if you can warm up the areas they pass through. I'm planning a complete replacement of everything but hoping I can get through this season without handing out clothespins for the crew's noses. If the hoses do stink, wrapping them in Saran Wrap (only Saran, not Glad or any other brand..Saran is the only wrap that's totally odor-impermeable) should provide enough of a "band aid" solution to keep things bearable for a single season. Just be sure to wrap every inch of hose...secure it with duct tape or electrical tape. -- Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://www.seaworthy.com/store/custo...0&cat=6&page=1 |
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Great idea! Thanks.
I'll try to remember to let you know how it smells so you'll have a datapoint on hoses that have dried for six years. Wouldn't it be easier to just saran warp the nostrils? -- Roger Long "Peggie Hall" wrote in message ... Roger Long wrote: Peggie, Will all the nasties have died in the last six years or are they just lying dormant in permeated hoses and other places waiting to blossom into life as soon as the salt water hits. One way to find out: it's not salt water that'll "wake up" any permeated hoses...it's warmth. So you can find out very quickly whether the hoses have become permeated if you can warm up the areas they pass through. I'm planning a complete replacement of everything but hoping I can get through this season without handing out clothespins for the crew's noses. If the hoses do stink, wrapping them in Saran Wrap (only Saran, not Glad or any other brand..Saran is the only wrap that's totally odor-impermeable) should provide enough of a "band aid" solution to keep things bearable for a single season. Just be sure to wrap every inch of hose...secure it with duct tape or electrical tape. -- Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://www.seaworthy.com/store/custo...0&cat=6&page=1 |
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"Roger Long" wrote in message ... Great idea! Thanks. I'll try to remember to let you know how it smells so you'll have a datapoint on hoses that have dried for six years. Wouldn't it be easier to just saran warp the nostrils? -- Roger Long "Peggie Hall" wrote in message ... Roger Long wrote: Peggie, Will all the nasties have died in the last six years or are they just lying dormant in permeated hoses and other places waiting to blossom into life as soon as the salt water hits. One way to find out: it's not salt water that'll "wake up" any permeated hoses...it's warmth. So you can find out very quickly whether the hoses have become permeated if you can warm up the areas they pass through. I'm planning a complete replacement of everything but hoping I can get through this season without handing out clothespins for the crew's noses. If the hoses do stink, wrapping them in Saran Wrap (only Saran, not Glad or any other brand..Saran is the only wrap that's totally odor-impermeable) should provide enough of a "band aid" solution to keep things bearable for a single season. Just be sure to wrap every inch of hose...secure it with duct tape or electrical tape. -- Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://www.seaworthy.com/store/custo...0&cat=6&page=1 One way to find out: it's not salt water that'll "wake up" any permeated hoses...it's warmth. So you can find out very quickly whether the hoses have become permeated if you can warm up the areas they pass through. If the boat has been laid up for 6 years I would think everything has dried out pretty well. Don't see how nasties are going to wake up if everything is totally dry? Why not fill the system with 10% bleach, let it sit for a few days and then flush out? Should kill anything that might still be alive after 6 years of dessication. |
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Don't see how nasties are going to wake up if everything is totally
dry? Spores. -- Roger Long |
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"Roger Long" wrote in message ... Don't see how nasties are going to wake up if everything is totally dry? Spores. -- Roger Long Spores need water to germinate. That's the whole point of my comment. If everything is bone dry they are going to remain dormant no matter how warm things get. If you smell anything its from decomposition not growth. As for 10% bleach damaging hoses, I suppose a very thin layer of hose might be degraded but hoses are pretty thick. If you have any kind of scum inside the hose the bleach will attack that before it gets to the hose. After a few days all the oxidizing power of the bleach is lost and you've basically got a weak solution of sodium chloride. By the way, when I suggest 10% bleach I mean a 10% dilution of household bleach. Household bleach is about 5% sodium hypochlorite so 10% gives you a 0.5% final solution. That's 1 gallon of household bleach to 9 gallons of water. I think there are more concentrated solutions of sodium or calcium hypochlorite available for "super chlorinating" swimming pools and water supply systems. You don't want to use these. |
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Undiluted white vinegar is the best thing for hoses...it not only
reduces odor, but also dissolves sea water minerals. And won't hurt the toilet or the hoses. However, it's your boat, Gordon...I can only advise and pass on what I've learned over the last 20 years. Gordon Wedman wrote: "Roger Long" wrote in message ... Don't see how nasties are going to wake up if everything is totally dry? Spores. -- Roger Long Spores need water to germinate. That's the whole point of my comment. If everything is bone dry they are going to remain dormant no matter how warm things get. If you smell anything its from decomposition not growth. As for 10% bleach damaging hoses, I suppose a very thin layer of hose might be degraded but hoses are pretty thick. If you have any kind of scum inside the hose the bleach will attack that before it gets to the hose. After a few days all the oxidizing power of the bleach is lost and you've basically got a weak solution of sodium chloride. By the way, when I suggest 10% bleach I mean a 10% dilution of household bleach. Household bleach is about 5% sodium hypochlorite so 10% gives you a 0.5% final solution. That's 1 gallon of household bleach to 9 gallons of water. I think there are more concentrated solutions of sodium or calcium hypochlorite available for "super chlorinating" swimming pools and water supply systems. You don't want to use these. -- Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://www.seaworthy.com/store/custo...0&cat=6&page=1 http://shop.sailboatowners.com/detai...=400&group=327 |
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"Peggie Hall" wrote in message m... However, it's your boat, Gordon...I can only advise and pass on what I've learned over the last 20 years. That little, huh? CN |
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"Peggie Hall" wrote in message
m... Undiluted white vinegar is the best thing for hoses...it not only reduces odor, but also dissolves sea water minerals. And won't hurt the toilet or the hoses. However, it's your boat, Gordon...I can only advise and pass on what I've learned over the last 20 years. Gordon Wedman wrote: "Roger Long" wrote in message ... Don't see how nasties are going to wake up if everything is totally dry? Spores. -- Roger Long Spores need water to germinate. That's the whole point of my comment. If everything is bone dry they are going to remain dormant no matter how warm things get. If you smell anything its from decomposition not growth. As for 10% bleach damaging hoses, I suppose a very thin layer of hose might be degraded but hoses are pretty thick. If you have any kind of scum inside the hose the bleach will attack that before it gets to the hose. After a few days all the oxidizing power of the bleach is lost and you've basically got a weak solution of sodium chloride. By the way, when I suggest 10% bleach I mean a 10% dilution of household bleach. Household bleach is about 5% sodium hypochlorite so 10% gives you a 0.5% final solution. That's 1 gallon of household bleach to 9 gallons of water. I think there are more concentrated solutions of sodium or calcium hypochlorite available for "super chlorinating" swimming pools and water supply systems. You don't want to use these. -- Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://www.seaworthy.com/store/custo...0&cat=6&page=1 http://shop.sailboatowners.com/detai...=400&group=327 Well I've not actually put any diluted bleach in my own system. I don't have any odour problems. I just provided the info in case someone wants to kill off all the bugs. 10% bleach is a good general disinfectant. I agree that vinegar is going to be good at dissolving mineral deposits and possibly some critters as well. I suppose the acidity would kill off a lot of microorganisms as well but if you flushed out the tank afterwards and had some residual dilute vinegar in there it might actually serve as food for some other type of bug. Just need to flush well I guess. |
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I seem to remember reading somewhere that bleach can be bad for some
hoses and such. . . . but I only have a vague notion and it doesn't seem like 10% would be that bad. What is the best thing to "flush" your system with to clean it out? I use that blue cleaner stuff that RVers sometimes use |
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Whistledown wrote: I seem to remember reading somewhere that bleach can be bad for some hoses and such. . . . but I only have a vague notion and it doesn't seem like 10% would be that bad. What is the best thing to "flush" your system with to clean it out? Clean fresh water is all you need 90% of the time. At the end of the season, clean fresh water and detergent.Wisk is best, but any laundry detergent that doesn't contain bleach is ok...or Dawn or any of the other dishwashing liquids. Avoid Oxiclean and similar products...they're oxidizers, and oxidizers promote oxidation (rust, corrosion). -- Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://www.seaworthy.com/store/custo...0&cat=6&page=1 |
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