Can you imagine?
 

Last fall, I was soliciting opinions in this group about an early
spring transit of Lake Erie to deliver the 32 foot sailboat we bought
in Detroit. It seemed like a great idea at the time.

The original plan would have had me leaving Detroit last Wednesday,
arriving in Buffalo on Friday, and spending the weekend preparing for
the canal trip. Can you imagine?

Am I ever glad we decided to bring the boat on a truck.

--

Roger Long

On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 12:06:06 GMT, "Roger Long"
wrote:

Last fall, I was soliciting opinions in this group about an early
spring transit of Lake Erie to deliver the 32 foot sailboat we bought
in Detroit. It seemed like a great idea at the time.

The original plan would have had me leaving Detroit last Wednesday,
arriving in Buffalo on Friday, and spending the weekend preparing for
the canal trip. Can you imagine?

Am I ever glad we decided to bring the boat on a truck.

Yes, but the week prior was lovely, with generally favourable winds.
We seem to be getting a lot more easterly in our lower Great Lakes
winds than I recall. I know it was an issue on windward-leeward club
racing last couple of years.

R.

rhys wrote:

Yes, but the week prior was lovely, with generally favourable winds.

yes, nothing like sailing in 3degree water temps with the air temp at 25 ;-)

We seem to be getting a lot more easterly in our lower Great Lakes
winds than I recall.

agreed. check the stats. _highly_ anomalous for 2 years now. anyone
who denies global weather change does so because it's hard to notice
what's going on around you when you've got your head shoved up yer ...

prodigal1 wrote:
rhys wrote:

Yes, but the week prior was lovely, with generally favourable
winds.

yes, nothing like sailing in 3degree water temps with the air temp at
25 ;-)

We seem to be getting a lot more easterly in our lower Great Lakes
winds than I recall.

agreed. check the stats. _highly_ anomalous for 2 years now. anyone

who denies global weather change does so because it's hard to notice
what's going on around you when you've got your head shoved up yer
....

Anyone who uses one freak storm or only two years of anomolous data to
draw a sweeping conclusion not only has their head up their @$$ but
also knows nothing about science.

gooch wrote:

Anyone who uses one freak storm or only two years of anomolous data to
draw a sweeping conclusion not only has their head up their @$$ but
also knows nothing about science.

you sell SUV's?
time to re-insert your head into the observation tube Prof.Corey

prodigal1 wrote:
gooch wrote:

Anyone who uses one freak storm or only two years of anomolous data
to
draw a sweeping conclusion not only has their head up their @$$ but
also knows nothing about science.

you sell SUV's?
time to re-insert your head into the observation tube Prof.Corey

No I don't sell SUV's. As a matter of fact I drive a hybrid vehicle but
I am also a scientist and am simply pointing out that your assertion
that you can tell anything about global climate changes based on two
years of local data or anecdotal evidence is ridiculous.

I don't think he is doing that at all.

If you see a bird, you might say, "There's one of that group that
migrate through here every year." You have no direct evidence that
there is a group. It could be the last one left as far as first hand
observation goes. Seeing it confirms what you know from other sources
though.

--

Roger Long

gooch wrote:

No I don't sell SUV's. As a matter of fact I drive a hybrid vehicle but
I am also a scientist and am simply pointing out that your assertion
that you can tell anything about global climate changes based on two
years of local data or anecdotal evidence is ridiculous.

Dear Prof. Corey,
Your inability to place my comments in context renders your conclusions
invalid. If you choose to conclude that there is no global climatic
warming event in progress, please carry on without regard to the
alarmingly large body of current empirical evidence available for your
scientific analysis.
Here's wishing you warm, fresh breezes, from the east or any quadrant
for that matter.

On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 17:34:33 -0400, prodigal1 wrote:

rhys wrote:

Yes, but the week prior was lovely, with generally favourable winds.

yes, nothing like sailing in 3degree water temps with the air temp at 25 ;-)

The head is warm and the beer is very cold if you tow it through the
cubes...

We seem to be getting a lot more easterly in our lower Great Lakes
winds than I recall.

agreed. check the stats. _highly_ anomalous for 2 years now. anyone
who denies global weather change does so because it's hard to notice
what's going on around you when you've got your head shoved up yer ...

Where can I find historical stats for wind direction year-to-year?

Thx.
R.

prodigal1 wrote:
gooch wrote:

No I don't sell SUV's. As a matter of fact I drive a hybrid vehicle
but
I am also a scientist and am simply pointing out that your
assertion
that you can tell anything about global climate changes based on
two
years of local data or anecdotal evidence is ridiculous.

Dear Prof. Corey,
Your inability to place my comments in context renders your
conclusions
invalid. If you choose to conclude that there is no global climatic
warming event in progress, please carry on without regard to the
alarmingly large body of current empirical evidence available for
your
scientific analysis.
Here's wishing you warm, fresh breezes, from the east or any quadrant

for that matter.

You are doing it again, jumping to conclusions without knowing all the
facts. I never said that I didn't think there is some global climate
change occuring. Take the time to read what I said, I made no argument
one way or the other about global climate change. My only comment was
that you are basing your assertion on irrelevant information and you
are doing it again by assuming that I disagree with you.

prodigal1 wrote:

gooch wrote:

No I don't sell SUV's. As a matter of fact I drive a hybrid vehicle but
I am also a scientist and am simply pointing out that your assertion
that you can tell anything about global climate changes based on two
years of local data or anecdotal evidence is ridiculous.


Dear Prof. Corey,
Your inability to place my comments in context renders your conclusions
invalid. If you choose to conclude that there is no global climatic
warming event in progress, please carry on without regard to the
alarmingly large body of current empirical evidence available for your
scientific analysis.
Here's wishing you warm, fresh breezes, from the east or any quadrant
for that matter.

Inconclusive. Mathematical algorithms used to analyse the last
10,000 or so years erred in forcing the numbers to generate the
famous "hockey stick" of graphed temperature rises, widely reported
a while ago. Discussions continue.

Plants need CO2, growing faster as the quantity increases, any old
plants. Only the top layer of leaves gets full sun.

The climate varies with the sun's output.

We are all doomed, anyway. Get used to it. Lighten up. Terror is a
weapon used to control inflation, amongst other things. Do your kids
need locator anklets? Don't believe everything you are fed on TV or
here.

The way to stop any supposed methane caused greenhouse effect is to
stop raising and eating large amounts of meat. There are other benefits.

High efficiency lighting means less requirement for air
conditioning, as would boxing and venting your refrigerator coils
and insulating your hot water heater, which might better be replaced
by an in line demand heater and black water pipe on your roof.

In the same way, using a few percent less energy in cars and at home
will flood the market with surplusses while reducing the dreaded
CO2, which is like ****, misunderstood, mishandled and maligned
unfairly.

Most stores and offices are air conditioned too cold for comfort in
summer dress. The energy guys want you to waste energy. They make
money on it all.

Just as the gov passed the double nickel, they could legislate
limits on air conditioning temperature, but libertarians and
professional wastrels would never catch their wigs. I think wigs
should be taxed.

Serendipity is sweet.

Terry K

rhys wrote:

The head is warm and the beer is very cold if you tow it through the
cubes...

there you go! I'm just not getting out enough

Where can I find historical stats for wind direction year-to-year?

Let me see what I can dig up.
Cheers

Terry Spragg wrote:
prodigal1 wrote:

gooch wrote:

No I don't sell SUV's. As a matter of fact I drive a hybrid
vehicle but
I am also a scientist and am simply pointing out that your
assertion
that you can tell anything about global climate changes based on
two
years of local data or anecdotal evidence is ridiculous.


Dear Prof. Corey,
Your inability to place my comments in context renders your
conclusions
invalid. If you choose to conclude that there is no global
climatic
warming event in progress, please carry on without regard to the
alarmingly large body of current empirical evidence available for
your
scientific analysis.
Here's wishing you warm, fresh breezes, from the east or any
quadrant
for that matter.

Inconclusive. Mathematical algorithms used to analyse the last
10,000 or so years erred in forcing the numbers to generate the
famous "hockey stick" of graphed temperature rises, widely reported
a while ago. Discussions continue.

Plants need CO2, growing faster as the quantity increases, any old
plants. Only the top layer of leaves gets full sun.

The climate varies with the sun's output.

We are all doomed, anyway. Get used to it. Lighten up. Terror is a
weapon used to control inflation, amongst other things. Do your kids
need locator anklets? Don't believe everything you are fed on TV or
here.

The way to stop any supposed methane caused greenhouse effect is to
stop raising and eating large amounts of meat. There are other
benefits.

High efficiency lighting means less requirement for air
conditioning, as would boxing and venting your refrigerator coils
and insulating your hot water heater, which might better be replaced
by an in line demand heater and black water pipe on your roof.

In the same way, using a few percent less energy in cars and at home
will flood the market with surplusses while reducing the dreaded
CO2, which is like ****, misunderstood, mishandled and maligned
unfairly.

Most stores and offices are air conditioned too cold for comfort in
summer dress. The energy guys want you to waste energy. They make
money on it all.

Just as the gov passed the double nickel, they could legislate
limits on air conditioning temperature, but libertarians and
professional wastrels would never catch their wigs. I think wigs
should be taxed.

Serendipity is sweet.

Terry K


Gentlemen please note the group title, this arguement should be taken
to one of the the enviromental news groups.

On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 23:34:46 -0400, prodigal1 wrote:

rhys wrote:

The head is warm and the beer is very cold if you tow it through the
cubes...

there you go! I'm just not getting out enough

Where can I find historical stats for wind direction year-to-year?

Let me see what I can dig up.
Cheers

Looking forward to it. We launched our club yesterday into a bitter
drizzle with 15 knots coming out of...yes...the chilly, dank
north-east...

R.

rhys wrote:
On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 23:34:46 -0400, prodigal1 wrote:


rhys wrote:


The head is warm and the beer is very cold if you tow it through the
cubes...

there you go! I'm just not getting out enough

Where can I find historical stats for wind direction year-to-year?

Let me see what I can dig up.
Cheers


Looking forward to it. We launched our club yesterday into a bitter
drizzle with 15 knots coming out of...yes...the chilly, dank
north-east...

R.

You must have a serious sailing jones there Rhys. ;-) You've got a
heater below yes? Anyway, have you noticed the weather charts recently?
This is a continuation of the pattern I've been noticing over the last
few years i.e., the continuous, rapid re-spawning of low pressure
systems over the midwest which stall over the Great Lakes and produce
protracted periods of E quadrant wind/weather. Of course some seasoned
sailors might say that this is the normal course of weather but the last
two spring/summer periods have been anomalous in my 35 years of
observing/sailing on the Great Lakes. Currently we can see the remains
of an absolutely huge low over James Bay that has been joined by two
other new large lows NE of the Lakes. Weird is all I can say.
As far as wind data is concerned, there is frankly too much of it to be
summarized here. Check out these links or do a search such as
wind +data +archives at google.ca
Some of the data sources are proprietary and need payment for access.

http://rredc.nrel.gov/wind/pubs/atlas/

http://www.climat.meteo.ec.gc.ca/Welcome_e.html

Good sailing!

On Sun, 01 May 2005 22:19:26 -0400, prodigal1 wrote:

You must have a serious sailing jones there Rhys. ;-)

Yep. But dragging the beers means they're always frosty...

You've got a
heater below yes?

At dock. Underway I just cower in front of the camp stove in my parka.


Anyway, have you noticed the weather charts recently?
This is a continuation of the pattern I've been noticing over the last
few years i.e., the continuous, rapid re-spawning of low pressure
systems over the midwest which stall over the Great Lakes and produce
protracted periods of E quadrant wind/weather. Of course some seasoned
sailors might say that this is the normal course of weather but the last
two spring/summer periods have been anomalous in my 35 years of
observing/sailing on the Great Lakes. Currently we can see the remains
of an absolutely huge low over James Bay that has been joined by two
other new large lows NE of the Lakes. Weird is all I can say.

I can't say I've analysed the "big picture" but I have noticed the
greater share of east wind plus a lot of intense downdrafting and
local squalliness that is not right for early May. I also have noticed
that the barometer's holding low and steady for long periods (your
"stuck lows") and yet the weather is not matching the typical pressure
profiles. Nor are the forecasters doing well lately.

As far as wind data is concerned, there is frankly too much of it to be
summarized here. Check out these links or do a search such as
wind +data +archives at google.ca
Some of the data sources are proprietary and need payment for access.

http://rredc.nrel.gov/wind/pubs/atlas/

http://www.climat.meteo.ec.gc.ca/Welcome_e.html

Good sailing!
Thanks, I will bookmark these and factor them in to my weather
watching.