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Can I hoist someone up my backstay?
I have a block for a flag halyard connected to my backstay about 15
feet above my deck. The block has failed, and I'd rather not unstep that mast to replace the block. Can I used a bosun's chair and connect the main halyard around the backstay to lift someone up to the fitting to replace it? My main concern is placing 180 to 200 pounds of strain on the backstay. Logic tells me this is okay though, since the forestay carries the genoa, but before I try, I'd like other opinions. Thanks! |
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ups.com... I have a block for a flag halyard connected to my backstay about 15 feet above my deck. The block has failed, and I'd rather not unstep that mast to replace the block. Can I used a bosun's chair and connect the main halyard around the backstay to lift someone up to the fitting to replace it? My main concern is placing 180 to 200 pounds of strain on the backstay. Logic tells me this is okay though, since the forestay carries the genoa, but before I try, I'd like other opinions. Thanks! Perhaps you could use a block on the halyard and then attach it to the backstay as you indicate. I don't think it's a matter of weight as much as it would be an issue of chewing into the wire. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"JG" wrote in message ... wrote in message ups.com... I have a block for a flag halyard connected to my backstay about 15 feet above my deck. The block has failed, and I'd rather not unstep that mast to replace the block. Can I used a bosun's chair and connect the main halyard around the backstay to lift someone up to the fitting to replace it? My main concern is placing 180 to 200 pounds of strain on the backstay. Logic tells me this is okay though, since the forestay carries the genoa, but before I try, I'd like other opinions. Thanks! Perhaps you could use a block on the halyard and then attach it to the backstay as you indicate. I don't think it's a matter of weight as much as it would be an issue of chewing into the wire. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com The netKKKop speaks. You rec.boat.cruising folks better watch out for Ganz or your group might end up like alt.sailing.asa. NetKKKop Ganz is responsible for what you see going on over there. CN |
No problem. If your backstay can't handle the extra strain then
you will know and should be replaced anyway. Doug s/v Callista wrote in message ups.com... I have a block for a flag halyard connected to my backstay about 15 feet above my deck. The block has failed, and I'd rather not unstep that mast to replace the block. Can I used a bosun's chair and connect the main halyard around the backstay to lift someone up to the fitting to replace it? My main concern is placing 180 to 200 pounds of strain on the backstay. Logic tells me this is okay though, since the forestay carries the genoa, but before I try, I'd like other opinions. Thanks! |
No problem, as typical single backstay tension is only 10-15% of breaking
strength (probably 4000 to 8000 lbs), provided the rigging and its connections haven't been compromised. You might want to inspect first, if you haven't done so recently. Obviously this is way more important that the flag halyard block. A snatch block on the backstay used to hold your chair close, rather than wrapping the main haylard,.would reduce possible complications. Len -- Eliminate "ns" for email address. I have a block for a flag halyard connected to my backstay about 15 feet above my deck. The block has failed, and I'd rather not unstep that mast to replace the block. Can I used a bosun's chair and connect the main halyard around the backstay to lift someone up to the fitting to replace it? My main concern is placing 180 to 200 pounds of strain on the backstay. Logic tells me this is okay though, since the forestay carries the genoa, but before I try, I'd like other opinions. Thanks! |
On 23 Apr 2005 09:16:06 -0700, wrote:
Can I used a bosun's chair and connect the main halyard around the backstay to lift someone up to the fitting to replace it? Been there. Done that. No problem. I weigh 190 lbs. Jack __________________________________________________ Jack Dale Swiftsure Sailing Academy Director/ISPA and CYA Instructor http://www.swiftsuresailing.com __________________________________________________ |
Maybe an easier way, would be to disconnect the backstay at the transom,
bring it forward to the base of the mast, and then you probably can reach the block. If you have a keel stepped mast, nothing special is required. If you have a deck stepped mast, you probably want to support the mast with the main halyard brought back to the transom, tied off and tightened up. You would have to do this anyway to take the tension off of the backstay to disconnect it. David wrote in message ups.com... I have a block for a flag halyard connected to my backstay about 15 feet above my deck. The block has failed, and I'd rather not unstep that mast to replace the block. Can I used a bosun's chair and connect the main halyard around the backstay to lift someone up to the fitting to replace it? My main concern is placing 180 to 200 pounds of strain on the backstay. Logic tells me this is okay though, since the forestay carries the genoa, but before I try, I'd like other opinions. Thanks! |
Why not just use the main halyard to hoist your self with?
Plenty strong. "David&Joan" wrote in message news:wrPae.30223$lv1.2866@fed1read06... Maybe an easier way, would be to disconnect the backstay at the transom, bring it forward to the base of the mast, and then you probably can reach the block. If you have a keel stepped mast, nothing special is required. If you have a deck stepped mast, you probably want to support the mast with the main halyard brought back to the transom, tied off and tightened up. You would have to do this anyway to take the tension off of the backstay to disconnect it. David wrote in message ups.com... I have a block for a flag halyard connected to my backstay about 15 feet above my deck. The block has failed, and I'd rather not unstep that mast to replace the block. Can I used a bosun's chair and connect the main halyard around the backstay to lift someone up to the fitting to replace it? My main concern is placing 180 to 200 pounds of strain on the backstay. Logic tells me this is okay though, since the forestay carries the genoa, but before I try, I'd like other opinions. Thanks! ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
I think the concern was that with just the main, he wouldn't be
anywhere near the problem on the backstay. Since that's where he needs to be, something needs to connect him to the backstay. In article , Just Us wrote: Why not just use the main halyard to hoist your self with? Plenty strong. -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
Thanks everyone for your answers. I think I will probably remove the
block altogether. A flag staff on the starboard side of the transom is a better solution -- and more in line with flag etiquette as well. |
True on a powerboat, not for sail. Proper place to fly the ensign is
off of the luff of the mainsail. Next best place is off the backstay as per your original post. Going up the backstay isn't a big deal. Doug wrote in message oups.com... Thanks everyone for your answers. I think I will probably remove the block altogether. A flag staff on the starboard side of the transom is a better solution -- and more in line with flag etiquette as well. |
wrote in message oups.com... Thanks everyone for your answers. I think I will probably remove the block altogether. A flag staff on the starboard side of the transom is a better solution -- and more in line with flag etiquette as well. Excellent choice! CN |
"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in message ... True on a powerboat, not for sail. Proper place to fly the ensign is off of the luff of the mainsail. Next best place is off the backstay as per your original post. Going up the backstay isn't a big deal. Doug You are wrong. Where is one to put the flag when at anchor or when motoring? And, if the flag is flown off the mainsail it should be two-thirds of the way up the leech. Fifteen feet doesn't quite get it. It is wrong to fly the flag off the backstay because the angle is incorrect and the flag does not display properly. Then there is the problem of courtesy flags which are shown off the starboard spreader. They should be above the ensign as a courtesy. A flagstaff on the stern if the proper way to display the flag on modern sloops. CN |
Capt. Neal® wrote:
"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in message ... True on a powerboat, not for sail. Proper place to fly the ensign is off of the luff of the mainsail. Next best place is off the backstay as per your original post. Going up the backstay isn't a big deal. Doug You are wrong. Where is one to put the flag when at anchor or when motoring? And, if the flag is flown off the mainsail it should be two-thirds of the way up the leech. Fifteen feet doesn't quite get it. It is wrong to fly the flag off the backstay because the angle is incorrect and the flag does not display properly. Then there is the problem of courtesy flags which are shown off the starboard spreader. They should be above the ensign as a courtesy. A flagstaff on the stern if the proper way to display the flag on modern sloops. CN Proper is not proper if it is not functional. Besides, what about the term stern staff don't you understand? CN Flagstaff or stern staff? It looks like neallie cannot even agree with himself. JR |
"JR Gilbreath" wrote in message ... Capt. Neal® wrote: "Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in message ... True on a powerboat, not for sail. Proper place to fly the ensign is off of the luff of the mainsail. Next best place is off the backstay as per your original post. Going up the backstay isn't a big deal. Doug You are wrong. Where is one to put the flag when at anchor or when motoring? And, if the flag is flown off the mainsail it should be two-thirds of the way up the leech. Fifteen feet doesn't quite get it. It is wrong to fly the flag off the backstay because the angle is incorrect and the flag does not display properly. Then there is the problem of courtesy flags which are shown off the starboard spreader. They should be above the ensign as a courtesy. A flagstaff on the stern if the proper way to display the flag on modern sloops. CN Proper is not proper if it is not functional. Besides, what about the term stern staff don't you understand? CN Flagstaff or stern staff? It looks like neallie cannot even agree with himself. JR A flag staff at the stern = a stern staff. Keep grasping at those straws, why don't you. CN |
Capt. Neal® wrote:
"JR Gilbreath" wrote in message ... Capt. Neal® wrote: "Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in message ... True on a powerboat, not for sail. Proper place to fly the ensign is off of the luff of the mainsail. Next best place is off the backstay as per your original post. Going up the backstay isn't a big deal. Doug You are wrong. Where is one to put the flag when at anchor or when motoring? And, if the flag is flown off the mainsail it should be two-thirds of the way up the leech. Fifteen feet doesn't quite get it. It is wrong to fly the flag off the backstay because the angle is incorrect and the flag does not display properly. Then there is the problem of courtesy flags which are shown off the starboard spreader. They should be above the ensign as a courtesy. A flagstaff on the stern if the proper way to display the flag on modern sloops. CN Proper is not proper if it is not functional. Besides, what about the term stern staff don't you understand? CN Flagstaff or stern staff? It looks like neallie cannot even agree with himself. JR A flag staff at the stern = a stern staff. Keep grasping at those straws, why don't you. CN I don't have to grasp at straws to show what an idiot you are. Just quote you. JR |
"JR Gilbreath" wrote in message t... Capt. Neal® wrote: "JR Gilbreath" wrote in message ... Capt. Neal® wrote: "Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in message ... True on a powerboat, not for sail. Proper place to fly the ensign is off of the luff of the mainsail. Next best place is off the backstay as per your original post. Going up the backstay isn't a big deal. Doug You are wrong. Where is one to put the flag when at anchor or when motoring? And, if the flag is flown off the mainsail it should be two-thirds of the way up the leech. Fifteen feet doesn't quite get it. It is wrong to fly the flag off the backstay because the angle is incorrect and the flag does not display properly. Then there is the problem of courtesy flags which are shown off the starboard spreader. They should be above the ensign as a courtesy. A flagstaff on the stern if the proper way to display the flag on modern sloops. CN Proper is not proper if it is not functional. Besides, what about the term stern staff don't you understand? CN Flagstaff or stern staff? It looks like neallie cannot even agree with himself. JR A flag staff at the stern = a stern staff. Keep grasping at those straws, why don't you. CN I don't have to grasp at straws to show what an idiot you are. Just quote you. JR But, you should at least endeavor to make a modicum of sense when doing so. CN |
Capt. Neal® wrote:
"JR Gilbreath" wrote in message t... Capt. Neal® wrote: "JR Gilbreath" wrote in message ... Capt. Neal® wrote: "Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in message ... True on a powerboat, not for sail. Proper place to fly the ensign is off of the luff of the mainsail. Next best place is off the backstay as per your original post. Going up the backstay isn't a big deal. Doug You are wrong. Where is one to put the flag when at anchor or when motoring? And, if the flag is flown off the mainsail it should be two-thirds of the way up the leech. Fifteen feet doesn't quite get it. It is wrong to fly the flag off the backstay because the angle is incorrect and the flag does not display properly. Then there is the problem of courtesy flags which are shown off the starboard spreader. They should be above the ensign as a courtesy. A flagstaff on the stern if the proper way to display the flag on modern sloops. CN Proper is not proper if it is not functional. Besides, what about the term stern staff don't you understand? CN Flagstaff or stern staff? It looks like neallie cannot even agree with himself. JR A flag staff at the stern = a stern staff. Keep grasping at those straws, why don't you. CN I don't have to grasp at straws to show what an idiot you are. Just quote you. JR But, you should at least endeavor to make a modicum of sense when doing so. CN How can I and still quote you?? JR |
"JR Gilbreath" wrote in message . .. Capt. Neal® wrote: "JR Gilbreath" wrote in message t... Capt. Neal® wrote: "JR Gilbreath" wrote in message ... Capt. Neal® wrote: "Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in message ... True on a powerboat, not for sail. Proper place to fly the ensign is off of the luff of the mainsail. Next best place is off the backstay as per your original post. Going up the backstay isn't a big deal. Doug You are wrong. Where is one to put the flag when at anchor or when motoring? And, if the flag is flown off the mainsail it should be two-thirds of the way up the leech. Fifteen feet doesn't quite get it. It is wrong to fly the flag off the backstay because the angle is incorrect and the flag does not display properly. Then there is the problem of courtesy flags which are shown off the starboard spreader. They should be above the ensign as a courtesy. A flagstaff on the stern if the proper way to display the flag on modern sloops. CN Proper is not proper if it is not functional. Besides, what about the term stern staff don't you understand? CN Flagstaff or stern staff? It looks like neallie cannot even agree with himself. JR A flag staff at the stern = a stern staff. Keep grasping at those straws, why don't you. CN I don't have to grasp at straws to show what an idiot you are. Just quote you. JR But, you should at least endeavor to make a modicum of sense when doing so. CN How can I and still quote you?? JR It's simple, you only have to quote me in context for anything I say to make sense. Re-arranging reality reeks of reprobation. CN |
"JR Gilbreath" wrote in message . .. Capt. Neal® safe under his tinfoil sou'wester, spake thusly: "JR Gilbreath" wrote in message t... Capt. Neal® safe under his tinfoil sou'wester, spake thusly: "JR Gilbreath" wrote in message ... Capt. Neal® wrote: "Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in message ... True on a powerboat, not for sail. Proper place to fly the ensign is off of the luff of the mainsail. Next best place is off the backstay as per your original post. Going up the backstay isn't a big deal. Doug You are wrong. Where is one to put the flag when at anchor or when motoring? And, if the flag is flown off the mainsail it should be two-thirds of the way up the leech. Fifteen feet doesn't quite get it. It is wrong to fly the flag off the backstay because the angle is incorrect and the flag does not display properly. Then there is the problem of courtesy flags which are shown off the starboard spreader. They should be above the ensign as a courtesy. A flagstaff on the stern if the proper way to display the flag on modern sloops. CN Proper is not proper if it is not functional. Besides, what about the term stern staff don't you understand? CN Flagstaff or stern staff? It looks like neallie cannot even agree with himself. JR A flag staff at the stern = a stern staff. Keep grasping at those straws, why don't you. CN I don't have to grasp at straws to show what an idiot you are. Just quote you. JR But, you should at least endeavor to make a modicum of sense when doing so. CN How can I and still quote you?? JR Ah, a klassic konundrum. How does one quote nil, and make any sense? Come to think of it, what is nil trying to say here? That he is, indeed, an idiot? That quoting him is "senseless"? John Cairns |
Capt. Neal® wrote:
"JR Gilbreath" wrote in message . .. Capt. Neal® wrote: "JR Gilbreath" wrote in message t... Capt. Neal® wrote: "JR Gilbreath" wrote in message ... Capt. Neal® wrote: "Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in message ... True on a powerboat, not for sail. Proper place to fly the ensign is off of the luff of the mainsail. Next best place is off the backstay as per your original post. Going up the backstay isn't a big deal. Doug You are wrong. Where is one to put the flag when at anchor or when motoring? And, if the flag is flown off the mainsail it should be two-thirds of the way up the leech. Fifteen feet doesn't quite get it. It is wrong to fly the flag off the backstay because the angle is incorrect and the flag does not display properly. Then there is the problem of courtesy flags which are shown off the starboard spreader. They should be above the ensign as a courtesy. A flagstaff on the stern if the proper way to display the flag on modern sloops. CN Proper is not proper if it is not functional. Besides, what about the term stern staff don't you understand? CN Flagstaff or stern staff? It looks like neallie cannot even agree with himself. JR A flag staff at the stern = a stern staff. Keep grasping at those straws, why don't you. CN I don't have to grasp at straws to show what an idiot you are. Just quote you. JR But, you should at least endeavor to make a modicum of sense when doing so. CN How can I and still quote you?? JR It's simple, you only have to quote me in context for anything I say to make sense. Re-arranging reality reeks of reprobation. CN I have not quoted you out of context. Remember you are the master at quoting out of context also posting with multiple names, forgeries, bragging about hacking into peoples computers etc. Would you like me to post your quotes on these? JR |
"JR Gilbreath" wrote in message ... Capt. Neal® wrote: "JR Gilbreath" wrote in message . .. Capt. Neal® wrote: "JR Gilbreath" wrote in message t... Capt. Neal® wrote: "JR Gilbreath" wrote in message ... Capt. Neal® wrote: "Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in message ... True on a powerboat, not for sail. Proper place to fly the ensign is off of the luff of the mainsail. Next best place is off the backstay as per your original post. Going up the backstay isn't a big deal. Doug You are wrong. Where is one to put the flag when at anchor or when motoring? And, if the flag is flown off the mainsail it should be two-thirds of the way up the leech. Fifteen feet doesn't quite get it. It is wrong to fly the flag off the backstay because the angle is incorrect and the flag does not display properly. Then there is the problem of courtesy flags which are shown off the starboard spreader. They should be above the ensign as a courtesy. A flagstaff on the stern if the proper way to display the flag on modern sloops. CN Proper is not proper if it is not functional. Besides, what about the term stern staff don't you understand? CN Flagstaff or stern staff? It looks like neallie cannot even agree with himself. JR A flag staff at the stern = a stern staff. Keep grasping at those straws, why don't you. CN I don't have to grasp at straws to show what an idiot you are. Just quote you. JR But, you should at least endeavor to make a modicum of sense when doing so. CN How can I and still quote you?? JR It's simple, you only have to quote me in context for anything I say to make sense. Re-arranging reality reeks of reprobation. CN I have not quoted you out of context. Remember you are the master at quoting out of context also posting with multiple names, forgeries, bragging about hacking into peoples computers etc. Would you like me to post your quotes on these? JR You are already obfuscation and avoiding the fact that you are grasping at straws. You might as well toss in everything up to and including the kitchen sink if you think it will lend credence your impotency. CN |
"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... "Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in message ... True on a powerboat, not for sail. Proper place to fly the ensign is off of the luff of the mainsail. Next best place is off the backstay as per your original post. Going up the backstay isn't a big deal. Doug You are wrong. Where is one to put the flag when at anchor or when motoring? And, if the flag is flown off the mainsail it should be two-thirds of the way up the leech. Fifteen feet doesn't quite get it. It is wrong to fly the flag off the backstay because the angle is incorrect and the flag does not display properly. The angle of the mainsail luff isn't much different than the angle of the backstay. I don;t see how if makes much difference. I've been flying my ensign off the backstay for years with no problems. Then there is the problem of courtesy flags which are shown off the starboard spreader. They should be above the ensign as a courtesy. A flagstaff on the stern if the proper way to display the flag on modern sloops. CN |
"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in message ... The angle of the mainsail luff isn't much different than the angle of the backstay. I don;t see how if makes much difference. I've been flying my ensign off the backstay for years with no problems. I'm assuming you meant leech and not luff or it doesn't make much sense. But, please stop and consider that when sailing the leech of the mainsail has wind blowing over it in such a way as to keep the flag flying. Now consider an anchored vessel in little or no wind. A flag that hangs off the backstay will tend to wrap around it and not display properly while a flag on a stern staff will hand down and partially open even if there is no wind and it light winds it displays nicely. You really should stop flying your flag off the backstay and put it on a stern staff. I also used to fly my flag off the backstay until recently after doing quite a bit of reading on the subject and I concluded I was better served with a stern staff. I can even fly my flag at night because the anchor light is right above it and illuminates the flag as required for flags flown at night. CN |
Capt. Neal® wrote:
"JR Gilbreath" wrote in message ... Capt. Neal® wrote: "JR Gilbreath" wrote in message . .. Capt. Neal® wrote: "JR Gilbreath" wrote in message t... Capt. Neal® wrote: "JR Gilbreath" wrote in message ... Capt. Neal® wrote: "Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in message ... True on a powerboat, not for sail. Proper place to fly the ensign is off of the luff of the mainsail. Next best place is off the backstay as per your original post. Going up the backstay isn't a big deal. Doug You are wrong. Where is one to put the flag when at anchor or when motoring? And, if the flag is flown off the mainsail it should be two-thirds of the way up the leech. Fifteen feet doesn't quite get it. It is wrong to fly the flag off the backstay because the angle is incorrect and the flag does not display properly. Then there is the problem of courtesy flags which are shown off the starboard spreader. They should be above the ensign as a courtesy. A flagstaff on the stern if the proper way to display the flag on modern sloops. CN Proper is not proper if it is not functional. Besides, what about the term stern staff don't you understand? CN Flagstaff or stern staff? It looks like neallie cannot even agree with himself. JR A flag staff at the stern = a stern staff. Keep grasping at those straws, why don't you. CN I don't have to grasp at straws to show what an idiot you are. Just quote you. JR But, you should at least endeavor to make a modicum of sense when doing so. CN How can I and still quote you?? JR It's simple, you only have to quote me in context for anything I say to make sense. Re-arranging reality reeks of reprobation. CN I have not quoted you out of context. Remember you are the master at quoting out of context also posting with multiple names, forgeries, bragging about hacking into peoples computers etc. Would you like me to post your quotes on these? JR You are already obfuscation and avoiding the fact that you are grasping at straws. You might as well toss in everything up to and including the kitchen sink if you think it will lend credence your impotency. CN No need to neal. It is would be a waste of my time. Most people already know what a sad pathetic case you are and the rest will figure it out in short order. Good luck with that "blue water yacht" JR |
On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 19:40:52 -0400, "Doug Dotson"
dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote: True on a powerboat, not for sail. Proper place to fly the ensign is off of the luff of the mainsail. Next best place is off the backstay as per your original post. Going up the backstay isn't a big deal. True for a gaffer. Flying the ensign from the leech (not luff) of a marconi main would be patently ridiculous, tearing up the sail and the ensign whenever you tack. You would get away with it on a boat without a backstay, but it would still be bad for the sail to attach a block to the cleat. There are good reasons it is almost never done. Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a "Curse thee, thou quadrant. No longer will I guide my earthly way by thee." Capt. Ahab |
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"JR Gilbreath" wrote in message ... Capt. Neal® wrote: "JR Gilbreath" wrote in message ... Capt. Neal® wrote: "JR Gilbreath" wrote in message . .. Capt. Neal® wrote: "JR Gilbreath" wrote in message t... Capt. Neal® wrote: "JR Gilbreath" wrote in message ... Capt. Neal® wrote: "Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in message ... True on a powerboat, not for sail. Proper place to fly the ensign is off of the luff of the mainsail. Next best place is off the backstay as per your original post. Going up the backstay isn't a big deal. Doug You are wrong. Where is one to put the flag when at anchor or when motoring? And, if the flag is flown off the mainsail it should be two-thirds of the way up the leech. Fifteen feet doesn't quite get it. It is wrong to fly the flag off the backstay because the angle is incorrect and the flag does not display properly. Then there is the problem of courtesy flags which are shown off the starboard spreader. They should be above the ensign as a courtesy. A flagstaff on the stern if the proper way to display the flag on modern sloops. CN Proper is not proper if it is not functional. Besides, what about the term stern staff don't you understand? CN Flagstaff or stern staff? It looks like neallie cannot even agree with himself. JR A flag staff at the stern = a stern staff. Keep grasping at those straws, why don't you. CN I don't have to grasp at straws to show what an idiot you are. Just quote you. JR But, you should at least endeavor to make a modicum of sense when doing so. CN How can I and still quote you?? JR It's simple, you only have to quote me in context for anything I say to make sense. Re-arranging reality reeks of reprobation. CN I have not quoted you out of context. Remember you are the master at quoting out of context also posting with multiple names, forgeries, bragging about hacking into peoples computers etc. Would you like me to post your quotes on these? JR You are already obfuscation and avoiding the fact that you are grasping at straws. You might as well toss in everything up to and including the kitchen sink if you think it will lend credence your impotency. CN No need to neal. It is would be a waste of my time. Most people already know what a sad pathetic case you are and the rest will figure it out in short order. Good luck with that "blue water yacht" JR |
No room on the stern for a staff. Too much stuff back there. Keeping it on
the backstay keeps it out of the way. When the wind isn;t blowing, it hangs forward and looks just fine. "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... "Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in message ... The angle of the mainsail luff isn't much different than the angle of the backstay. I don;t see how if makes much difference. I've been flying my ensign off the backstay for years with no problems. I'm assuming you meant leech and not luff or it doesn't make much sense. But, please stop and consider that when sailing the leech of the mainsail has wind blowing over it in such a way as to keep the flag flying. Now consider an anchored vessel in little or no wind. A flag that hangs off the backstay will tend to wrap around it and not display properly while a flag on a stern staff will hand down and partially open even if there is no wind and it light winds it displays nicely. You really should stop flying your flag off the backstay and put it on a stern staff. I also used to fly my flag off the backstay until recently after doing quite a bit of reading on the subject and I concluded I was better served with a stern staff. I can even fly my flag at night because the anchor light is right above it and illuminates the flag as required for flags flown at night. CN |
Some people just want to complicate life. Just use clothespins to hold
your flag to any desired stay or shroud and ignore authoritarian nonsense. If they complain, make up something sensible about how the boomslang inteferes with it being visible. Why would you want to fly any flag other than the Q or a courtesy flag? Excessive yachtiness is really annoying. |
"jeannette" wrote in message ... On 25 Apr 2005 20:00:01 -0700, wrote: Some people just want to complicate life. Just use clothespins to hold your flag to any desired stay or shroud and ignore authoritarian nonsense. If they complain, make up something sensible about how the boomslang inteferes with it being visible. Why would you want to fly any flag other than the Q or a courtesy flag? Excessive yachtiness is really annoying. If your boat is US documented you must, by law, fly the US flag. A clothepin is unlikely to hold much above 5 knots. I have my flag on the topping lift. Easy to lower if I need to. Pretty dumb place for a flag! Do you anchor or tie to a pier? Do you ever motor? From Chapman's --- "Under power alone, or at anchor or made fast, the ensign should be flown from the stern staff of all sailboats. If an overhanging boom requires that the staff be off center, it should preferably be on the starboard side." CN |
jeannette wrote: On 25 Apr 2005 20:00:01 -0700, wrote: If your boat is US documented you must, by law, fly the US flag. Not quite. In 1939 the Navy Judge Advocate General opined the yacht ensign is acceptable in lieu of the national ensign. |
"Mark" wrote in message oups.com... jeannette wrote: On 25 Apr 2005 20:00:01 -0700, wrote: If your boat is US documented you must, by law, fly the US flag. Not quite. In 1939 the Navy Judge Advocate General opined the yacht ensign is acceptable in lieu of the national ensign. Only in domestic waters. CN |
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here hear wrote: Some people just want to complicate life. Just use clothespins to hold your flag to any desired stay or shroud and ignore authoritarian nonsense. If they complain, make up something sensible about how the boomslang inteferes with it being visible. Why would you want to fly any flag other than the Q or a courtesy flag? Excessive yachtiness is really annoying. |
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