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Best Electric Head????
Need to replace the head in my new boat. Practical Sailor has not done a
review that I can find. So I will let this group of practical sailors review. 1. Wilcox Crittenden Santa Cruz Electric Head 2. Wilcox Crittenden Newport Electric Head 3. Raritan Sea Era Macerating Electric Toilet 4. Jabsco Electric Toilet Thank you for your opinion. - Allen |
bushman wrote: Need to replace the head in my new boat. Practical Sailor has not done a review that I can find. So I will let this group of practical sailors review. 1. Wilcox Crittenden Santa Cruz Electric Head 2. Wilcox Crittenden Newport Electric Head 3. Raritan Sea Era Macerating Electric Toilet 4. Jabsco Electric Toilet Thank you for your opinion. - Allen I've never heard of the Wilcox Santa Cruz, nor is their any mention of it on the website...and Google didn't turn it up either. The Raritan SeaEra has proven to be most durable trouble-free toilet of rest of the bunch on your list. However, depending on the size of your boat, space in the head, your budget and other factors, there are other macerating electric toilets worth considering. If you'll give me a bit more information about the boat and who'll typically be aboard (how many people, adults or children/landlubber guests, holding tank size (some toilets use less flush water than others) and anything else that's important to you, I'll point you toward them. -- Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://www.seaworthy.com/store/custo...0&cat=6&page=1 |
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Can you say Lavac? Lew |
http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs...5326&y=21&x=18
Yes I did not give much info so here are some details. 1980 Endeavour 37' Sloop plan B. Head is forward on the port side. Toilet an older Raritan manual against the hull, pump towards the bow. 27 Gallon holding tank with Y-valves configured for all the flow options and a discharge pump. 2 adults liveaboard and the rare guests. Schedule should allow pump out or discharge every other week. Space is a little tight and the layout should stay the same, electricity is plentiful, I don't mind paying for a reliable piece of equipment. I have had all the experience I want with manual pumps. My parents have been living aboard with an electric for years trouble free. Thank you so much for your help. I will be buying your book (holding tank is under our v-berth). Thanks again - Allen |
Lew Hodgett wrote:
Subject Can you say Lavac? Great choice for a manual toilet, but not the best choice for an electric toilet. -- Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://www.seaworthy.com/store/custo...0&cat=6&page=1 |
bushman wrote: http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs...uctDisplay?ke- yword=5388830&resultCt=1&storeId=10001&catalogId=1 0001&productId=1353- 26&y=21&x=18 Yes I did not give much info so here are some details. 1980 Endeavour 37' Sloop plan B. Head is forward on the port side. Toilet an older Raritan manual against the hull, pump towards the bow. 27 Gallon holding tank with Y-valves configured for all the flow options and a discharge pump. 2 adults liveaboard and the rare guests. Schedule should allow pump out or discharge every other week. Space is a little tight and the layout should stay the same, electricity is plentiful, I don't mind paying for a reliable piece of equipment. Okaayyy...in that case, I'd go with the SeaEra--the version designed to flush using pressurized fresh water...for several reasons: 1. it uses about 1/3 less flush water...2. it draws only 10a vs. 16 for the raw water version...3. eliminates sea water intake odors...and 4. MUCH quieter--in fact, quieter than many household toilets. You can download all the specs and the complete manual for it from the Raritan website at http://www.raritaneng.com/products/t...c/sea_era.html These folks have the best price I've found: http://www.boatfix.com/elec/rarseaera.asp Unless you're in one of the few parts of the country that are "no discharge," you might want to take a look at the Lectra/San (CG certified Type I MSD that treats waste and discharges it overboard legally, and without harm to the environment) while you're on the Raritan site: http://www.raritaneng.com/products/w...lectrasan.html Thank you so much for your help. I will be buying your book... Thank you! ... (holding tank is under our v-berth). Best place for it. Feel free to give me another shout if you still have questions. -- Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://www.seaworthy.com/store/custo...0&cat=6&page=1 |
Lew Hodgett wrote:
Subject Can you say Lavac? Lew I have an electric Lavac and would not recommend it. The electric pump is not quite strong enough to always clear the waste. We're rather careful about what goes in, but at least once a season (sometimes once a week), I have to open up the pump to clear it. We started with a manual, which was OK until we moved on board and had to use it full time - the adults on board developed "lavac elbow" and the 5 year old couldn't begin to work it. On the plus side, I can pull the pump out and completely strip it down, clean and replace it in about 30 minutes now. If needed I can put in the manual pump even quicker. The head itself has never clogged and with three onboard the holding tank fill at about 4 gallons a day. Although some point to the seal system as a weakness, it isn't really needed to empty the bowl, only to draw in water. One more thing - although a Lavac seems like simplicity itself, explaining it to guests always draws the "maybe I'll wait until we get back to the marina" look. |
"bushman" wrote in message ... Need to replace the head in my new boat. Practical Sailor has not done a review that I can find. So I will let this group of practical sailors review. 1. Wilcox Crittenden Santa Cruz Electric Head 2. Wilcox Crittenden Newport Electric Head 3. Raritan Sea Era Macerating Electric Toilet 4. Jabsco Electric Toilet Thank you for your opinion. - Allen The best electric head i ever had was when Peggie inserted a fully-charged i-Egg in2 her mouth prior 2 the act. http://www.drugstore.com/products/pr... UY-GFI-0-MWS Jennifer luv those vibes |
bushman wrote:
http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs...5326&y=21&x=18 Yes I did not give much info so here are some details. 1980 Endeavour 37' Sloop plan B. Head is forward on the port side. Toilet an older Raritan manual against the hull, pump towards the bow. 27 Gallon holding tank with Y-valves configured for all the flow options and a discharge pump. 2 adults liveaboard and the rare guests. Schedule should allow pump out or discharge every other week. Space is a little tight and the layout should stay the same, electricity is plentiful, I don't mind paying for a reliable piece of equipment. I have had all the experience I want with manual pumps. My parents have been living aboard with an electric for years trouble free. Thank you so much for your help. I will be buying your book (holding tank is under our v-berth). Thanks again - Allen Perhaps I'm wrong, but I don't think a 27 gallon holding tank will handle two weeks output for two people. And I don't think you want to fill it to capacity all the time, especially if its under your bunk. |
"Jeff" wrote in message ... bushman wrote: http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs...5326&y=21&x=18 Yes I did not give much info so here are some details. 1980 Endeavour 37' Sloop plan B. Head is forward on the port side. Toilet an older Raritan manual against the hull, pump towards the bow. 27 Gallon holding tank with Y-valves configured for all the flow options and a discharge pump. 2 adults liveaboard and the rare guests. Schedule should allow pump out or discharge every other week. Space is a little tight and the layout should stay the same, electricity is plentiful, I don't mind paying for a reliable piece of equipment. I have had all the experience I want with manual pumps. My parents have been living aboard with an electric for years trouble free. Thank you so much for your help. I will be buying your book (holding tank is under our v-berth). Thanks again - Allen Perhaps I'm wrong, but I don't think a 27 gallon holding tank will handle two weeks output for two people. And I don't think you want to fill it to capacity all the time, especially if its under your bunk. My five-gallon cedar bucket has held my total output for the past fifteen years. It's just a matter of how often it's emptied . . . 27-gallons sounds excessive to me. CN |
Jeff wrote:
Perhaps I'm wrong, but I don't think a 27 gallon holding tank will handle two weeks output for two people. It depends on whether they're continuously aboard or away during the weekdays at work. If they're continuously aboard, a 27 gal tank will fill up in 5-days on average. Here's how to calculate it, regardless of which toilet, manual or electric: Average flush including flush water is about 1/2 gal...the average adult uses the toilet 5x day...so avg output/person/day including flush water is 2.5 gal...x the number of people. Divide the tank capacity by that number. In this case, 2 people = 5 gal/day...27 gal tank capacity divided by 5 = 5.6 days to fill up the tank. If they're away from the boat during working hours, they can prob'ly get at least another 3 days out of the tank...but that's still a bit shy of two weeks unless he uses the lee rail a LOT! Which, unless he's in waters where he can't use one, makes installing Lectra/San look better all the time. -- Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://www.seaworthy.com/store/custo...0&cat=6&page=1 |
Capt. Neal® wrote:
My five-gallon cedar bucket has held my total output for the past fifteen years. It's just a matter of how often it's emptied . . . 27-gallons sounds excessive to me. CN Well...that explains it! Someone said you were a constipated S.O.B. |
Google on capt. neal, go to his web site and there you will see him in
what appears to be a postal uniform. And if you look closely, you will see he looks exactly like the postie on "Cheers"! Can't remember his name, but a good likeness! And when you think about it, the same personality! Gordon PS Sorry Cap, but as your site says "A man shouldn't mince words just to spare the sensibilities of the ignorant" |
Gordon wrote:
Google on capt. neal, go to his web site and there you will see him in what appears to be a postal uniform. And if you look closely, you will see he looks exactly like the postie on "Cheers"! Can't remember his name, but a good likeness! And when you think about it, the same personality! Gordon PS Sorry Cap, but as your site says "A man shouldn't mince words just to spare the sensibilities of the ignorant" I believe the character from 'Cheers' was named Cliff. A while back the Capt said he retired from the Postal Service...but reliable sources say he was terminated. Seems his fellow 'posties' were terrified Capt Neal was about to go 'postal'. |
bushman wrote:
Need to replace the head in my new boat. Practical Sailor has not done a review that I can find. So I will let this group of practical sailors review. 1. Wilcox Crittenden Santa Cruz Electric Head 2. Wilcox Crittenden Newport Electric Head 3. Raritan Sea Era Macerating Electric Toilet 4. Jabsco Electric Toilet Thank you for your opinion. - Allen The Raritan is the only one I have extensive experience with, but I've found it to be amazingly effective and reliable. It's actually better than a land toilet. I've never had a clog fail to clear by simply shutting off the water intake. (Not that clogs happen very often though.) Normal toilet paper is no problem either. Even in a smaller/cheaper boat this is probably the first upgrade I'd make. Manual heads are actually *less* reliable than this one. Matt O. |
"Matt O'Toole" wrote in message ... bushman wrote: Need to replace the head in my new boat. Practical Sailor has not done a review that I can find. So I will let this group of practical sailors review. 1. Wilcox Crittenden Santa Cruz Electric Head 2. Wilcox Crittenden Newport Electric Head 3. Raritan Sea Era Macerating Electric Toilet 4. Jabsco Electric Toilet Thank you for your opinion. - Allen The Raritan is the only one I have extensive experience with, but I've found it to be amazingly effective and reliable. It's actually better than a land toilet. I've never had a clog fail to clear by simply shutting off the water intake. (Not that clogs happen very often though.) Normal toilet paper is no problem either. Even in a smaller/cheaper boat this is probably the first upgrade I'd make. Manual heads are actually *less* reliable than this one. Matt O. I installed one of the Raritan conversions in my first boat as I wanted to avoid the clogged head syndrome. It does work well but is quite noisy. If you are going to be getting up in the middle of the night to use the head you may wake everyone else up. By the way, the vendor instructed me to use heavy gauge wire, at least 12ga., as the unit draws something like 10 amps. |
Gordon Wedman wrote:
I installed one of the Raritan conversions in my first boat... Which one? It does work well but is quite noisy. All electric toilets that flush using raw (lake, sea, river) water are noisy...'cuz contrary to popular belief, it's not the macerator or discharge pump that makes all the noise (or consumes the most power), it's the intake pump. A toilet designed to use onboard pressurized fresh water is so quiet that it's actually quieter than many household toilets...and also consumes less power--10 amp draw vs. 16-35...and also uses anywhere from 30-50% less flush water. However, if swapping a raw water toilet out for one designed to use pressurized water is more than your budget will stand, mounting the toilet on at least 1/2" of foam rubber will quiet it down a lot. -- Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://www.seaworthy.com/store/custo...0&cat=6&page=1 |
Why not install the intake below the water level so the noisy intake
pump could be eliminated? It doesn't have to be a 'throne' ya know . .. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.cum "Peggie Hall" wrote in message ... Gordon Wedman wrote: I installed one of the Raritan conversions in my first boat... Which one? It does work well but is quite noisy. All electric toilets that flush using raw (lake, sea, river) water are noisy...'cuz contrary to popular belief, it's not the macerator or discharge pump that makes all the noise (or consumes the most power), it's the intake pump. A toilet designed to use onboard pressurized fresh water is so quiet that it's actually quieter than many household toilets...and also consumes less power--10 amp draw vs. 16-35...and also uses anywhere from 30-50% less flush water. However, if swapping a raw water toilet out for one designed to use pressurized water is more than your budget will stand, mounting the toilet on at least 1/2" of foam rubber will quiet it down a lot. -- Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://www.seaworthy.com/store/custo...0&cat=6&page=1 |
JG wrote:
Why not install the intake below the water level so the noisy intake pump could be eliminated? I'm not sure what you mean...'cuz all toilet intake thru-hulls are below the waterline...they have to be to pull in any water. But if you mean, isolate the intake pump so it's near the thru-hull, it's mostly only "thrones" which make that possible...'cuz 99% of electric toilet don't have separate remote intake pumps...the intake pump is on the back of the toilet, powered by the same motor as the discharge pump and macerator...so it cannot be isolated from the toilet. Nor are they designed to allow passive flow of flush water intake...the intake pump is an impeller pump that has to pull it into the toilet far enough to let the discharge pump--also an impeller pump--to push it out. -- Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://www.seaworthy.com/store/custo...0&cat=6&page=1 |
Say you had the water level in the bowl below the water level outside the hull.
Wouldn't that eliminate the need for an intake pump? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.cum "Peggie Hall" wrote in message ... JG wrote: Why not install the intake below the water level so the noisy intake pump could be eliminated? I'm not sure what you mean...'cuz all toilet intake thru-hulls are below the waterline...they have to be to pull in any water. But if you mean, isolate the intake pump so it's near the thru-hull, it's mostly only "thrones" which make that possible...'cuz 99% of electric toilet don't have separate remote intake pumps...the intake pump is on the back of the toilet, powered by the same motor as the discharge pump and macerator...so it cannot be isolated from the toilet. Nor are they designed to allow passive flow of flush water intake...the intake pump is an impeller pump that has to pull it into the toilet far enough to let the discharge pump--also an impeller pump--to push it out. -- Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://www.seaworthy.com/store/custo...0&cat=6&page=1 |
JG wrote:
Say you had the water level in the bowl below the water level outside the hull. Wouldn't that eliminate the need for an intake pump? Only if you want to sink your boat. :) 'Cuz as long as the intake seacock is open, water outside the boat is gonna seek its own level INside the boat...and will rise to the waterline in--or above the top of the bowl. -- Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://www.seaworthy.com/store/custo...0&cat=6&page=1 |
"Peggie Hall" wrote in message ... JG wrote: Say you had the water level in the bowl below the water level outside the hull. Wouldn't that eliminate the need for an intake pump? Only if you want to sink your boat. :) 'Cuz as long as the intake seacock is open, water outside the boat is gonna seek its own level INside the boat...and will rise to the waterline in--or above the top of the bowl. But, don't they make a vented loop system to keep that from happening? Oh, I see, then you'd still need a pump to get the water up past the vented loop. Duh! Never mind. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.cum |
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