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I think that it will be very interesting to see what the Marine Safety
Officer will conclude from the investigation of this grounding. I
suspect that the Master is going to have to hire a pile of GOOD Sea
Lawyers, just to keep his license from being suspended, or revoked.
Looks to me like a case of very Poor Seamanship, and navigation.
For a Small Passenger Ship to get itself in such a situation, shows
how much there is a need for better testing for a Masters License.

You are prejudging a situation where you were not present and have no way of
knowinbg all the factors at the time.

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Gogarty wrote:

In article ,
says...

I think that it will be very interesting to see what the Marine Safety
Officer will conclude from the investigation of this grounding. I
suspect that the Master is going to have to hire a pile of GOOD Sea
Lawyers, just to keep his license from being suspended, or revoked.
Looks to me like a case of very Poor Seamanship, and navigation.
For a Small Passenger Ship to get itself in such a situation, shows
how much there is a need for better testing for a Masters License.

You are prejudging a situation where you were not present and have no way of
knowinbg all the factors at the time.


I am not judging anything at all. I am waiting for the MSO to report
what he finds during his investigation. I have long experience in
documenting USCG Inquiry Boards, and outcomes. Most Masters that end
up at Inquiry, get suspended, or revoked. Especially if they had
Passengers aboard, as USCG Inquiries tend to come down harshly when
Passengers are put at risk.


Me

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I am not judging anything at all. I am waiting for the MSO to report
what he finds during his investigation. I have long experience in
documenting USCG Inquiry Boards, and outcomes. Most Masters that end
up at Inquiry, get suspended, or revoked. Especially if they had
Passengers aboard, as USCG Inquiries tend to come down harshly when
Passengers are put at risk.

Not arguing with you about that at all. I agree. I also agree the poor skipper
is no doubt in serious trouble. But we don't know yet.

I keep thinking about Capt. Brown of the USS Missouri who went on the mud
approaching Newport Roads. He wasn't on watch. End of career. Or the skippewr
of that submaraine that hit the undersea mountain recently. End of career. And
he was just a victim of bad luck. But then, hindsight is marvelous, especially
among people who were not there.

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Or the skipper
of that submaraine that hit the undersea mountain recently. End of career.

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Has that been determined for a fact?

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On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 15:46:13 -0500, Gogarty
wrote:

Or the skipper
of that submaraine that hit the undersea mountain recently. End of career.

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Has that been determined for a fact?

I believe he was courtmartialed and accused of travelling to fast and paying
proper attention to navigation in a chancy area. Yes, his career is over.

Actually Captain Brown was not only on watch he was on the bridge and
ignoring advice from his XO and the Quartermaster at the time.

-Ben-
Volunteer
USS Missouri (BB-63)

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Actually Captain Brown was not only on watch he was on the bridge and
ignoring advice from his XO and the Quartermaster at the time.

-Ben-
Volunteer
USS Missouri (BB-63)

Thanks for setting me straight. It was a long time ago.

I visited the Missouri when she made a courtesy call at Marblehead,
Mass., immediately after the war. Must have been 1946. Very, very
impressive. Not much security in those days. A friend of mine made off
with a hand grenade in a cardboard container, then went around town
showing it to his friends. He was ejected from everyone's house instantly
and eventually the cops showed up and retrieved the hand grenade. He was
not taken into custody (nor was I for shooting out street lights with my
..22 -- took the gun away and told me I could have it back if I came with
my father to the police station. I think they still have it.) Anyway, my
friend eventually graduated from Annapolis, became a flyer and retired as
a Captain. What do you suppose will become of the five-year-old girl they
handcuffed in Florida?

"Gogarty" wrote in message ...
What do you suppose will become of the five-year-old girl they
handcuffed in Florida?


Sad that child temper tantrums which used to be cured by a good spanking now
are handled by cuffing and stuffing!

The parent(s) of this five-year-old have already failed their daughter.

CN